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Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
« Reply #1651 on: April 15, 2019, 05:57:53 am »
I had to stop reading at some point...

I mean, if these white supremacists really believe in breeding a "master race" and fear the "dilution of blood" and whatever then from that point of view this argument starts to make sense. They are just using the same pseudoscience and claiming that it is the Jewish people who are trying to do eugenics.

...Except that if they are claiming that there's some sort of ancient Jewish cabal AND that they are doing eugenics then doesn't that lead to the conclusion that they would have been doing it for ages already and that Jews would BE the master race that these wannabe-Nazis want to believe to be?

It's the whole "the enemy of Fascism must be incredibly powerful and incredibly weak at the same time" paradox all over again. Are the Jews masterful manipulators who rule the world and have bred themselves to be superiour in all ways or are they "subhumans" that deserve to be destroyed? Because to me it sounds like the Nazi boogeymen are better than the Nazis in all ways that Nazis want to excel...
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Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
« Reply #1652 on: April 15, 2019, 07:23:32 pm »
I had to stop reading at some point...

I mean, if these white supremacists really believe in breeding a "master race" and fear the "dilution of blood" and whatever then from that point of view this argument starts to make sense. They are just using the same pseudoscience and claiming that it is the Jewish people who are trying to do eugenics.

...Except that if they are claiming that there's some sort of ancient Jewish cabal AND that they are doing eugenics then doesn't that lead to the conclusion that they would have been doing it for ages already and that Jews would BE the master race that these wannabe-Nazis want to believe to be?

It's the whole "the enemy of Fascism must be incredibly powerful and incredibly weak at the same time" paradox all over again. Are the Jews masterful manipulators who rule the world and have bred themselves to be superiour in all ways or are they "subhumans" that deserve to be destroyed? Because to me it sounds like the Nazi boogeymen are better than the Nazis in all ways that Nazis want to excel...

I used to troll white supremacists using pretty much this exact same argument. You would not believe how angry they got when they read "I, for one, welcome our new Jewish overlords."
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Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
« Reply #1653 on: April 16, 2019, 12:23:54 am »
RaHoWa, the unfinished white supremacist RPG also fell for that flaw. As Umberto Eco once said, Fascism needs the enemy to be both strong and weak at the same time, but in an RPG with stats this meant that the Aryan race was actually the weakest playable race and all those "inferiour" races were better in every way.
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Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
« Reply #1654 on: April 16, 2019, 12:41:40 am »
Surely that's an easy fix, you make aryan's  completely balanced like Humans in D&D and then you make the Asians more industrious or faster but smaller and weaker, blacks bigger but less intelligent, and jews weaker and slower but more intelligent. I mean collectively they are going to be better than the aryan for whatever their specialised class I guess. More evidence racism is stupid.

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Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
« Reply #1655 on: April 16, 2019, 01:39:27 am »
The issue here is that being racist does not automatically make you a good game designer and since the recruiting process for the game designers started with "well, we can only get Neo-Nazis and KKK members to do this" they had a small pool of people interested in making the game and didn't luck out and find anyone competent or industrous.
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« Reply #1656 on: April 16, 2019, 10:16:13 am »
They also unintentionally made the "white warriors" into Darwin Award-level idiots. Jews have the ability to bribe them into missing a turn. Now, who in their right mind would stop in the middle of combat to accept a bribe from their opponent? Especially when they could just kill the briber and take the money? And since they don't actually get any money after being bribed that way, I gotta assume they skipped their turn on just the promise of cash. If all white people are that fucking stupid, no wonder they're endangered.
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Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
« Reply #1657 on: April 16, 2019, 12:06:22 pm »
Funny thing is, we had someone here (a former regular, if memory serves) all but flat-out state that D&D is racist because something-something racial abilities and penalties.  Never mind that most of those bonuses and penalties are rendered mostly meaningless once you advance far enough.  If anything, humans come out slightly ahead because feats and skill points are better long-term investments.
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Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
« Reply #1658 on: April 16, 2019, 01:04:48 pm »
Who went off on that tangent?

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« Reply #1659 on: April 16, 2019, 02:22:08 pm »
I ain't gonna name names.  Mostly because I can't remember them, lol.
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Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
« Reply #1660 on: April 16, 2019, 02:31:27 pm »
Smurfette, I believe. She spouted more than her fair share of bullshit back then.

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Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
« Reply #1661 on: April 16, 2019, 02:53:06 pm »
I have seen the argument that Half-Orcs are a metaphor for African-Americans (on a different site) and that their depiction is racist in DnD. And of course there's several occasions where fantastic races have been used to explore real issues with racism (systemic or not) as a way to distance the issue from real world and thus making it easier for people to be objective. Like in the recent film Bright for example.

...But I doubt that DnD was trying to do that.
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« Reply #1662 on: April 16, 2019, 06:39:59 pm »
Wasn't the suggestion not that D&D was racist but Tolkien's depiction of Orcs was a poorly cloaked metaphor for black people and that it was racist. D &D being racist only by more or less adapting Tolkein's fantastic universe?

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Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
« Reply #1663 on: April 16, 2019, 07:29:55 pm »
As I recall, it was that D&D racial bonuses specifically are racist. Apparently elves receiving +1 willpower is some sort of IRL injustice.

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Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
« Reply #1664 on: April 17, 2019, 05:05:38 am »
I've only seen the claim that negative modifier to the intelligence of a fictional species is racism because that fictional species is an allegory for Africans.
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