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Re: What are your future presidential predictions?
« Reply #60 on: February 07, 2019, 04:43:08 pm »
Fairfax's response to the WaPo response wasn't....good though.  That's where the calls for resignation on his end come from.  But yeah, the Fairfax smear looks like an conspiracy where as the Northam and Herring things look like stupid youthful indiscretions that should not be tolerated.

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Re: What are your future presidential predictions?
« Reply #61 on: February 08, 2019, 03:54:29 pm »
I'd agree with that. Fairfax is collateral damage.

Hmm. I'm not that far away. And there's no racist skeletons in my closet. Maybe I should go down and be governor for a while until their next elections.
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Re: What are your future presidential predictions?
« Reply #62 on: February 08, 2019, 07:16:00 pm »
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Re: What are your future presidential predictions?
« Reply #63 on: February 08, 2019, 08:58:24 pm »
Yep.  Looks like all three are scumbags that should resign.  But this needs to be done very carefully, with experts figuring out a gameplan; otherwise, the end result of this mess is that the Republican Speaker of the Virginia House becomes Governor, and while we're discussing racist acts in the past... This guy was the editor of his school yearbook.  And the whole thing is filled with the same sort of racist bullshit that people are getting mad at Northam about, along with blackface, KKK stuff and so on.  He's more racist & sexist than all three Dems combined.
And unlike the Dems, if he gets the Governor position, he won't step down... The Repubs don't consider being racist or sexist disqualifying.

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Re: What are your future presidential predictions?
« Reply #64 on: February 08, 2019, 09:36:39 pm »
Yep.  Looks like all three are scumbags that should resign.  But this needs to be done very carefully, with experts figuring out a gameplan; otherwise, the end result of this mess is that the Republican Speaker of the Virginia House becomes Governor, and while we're discussing racist acts in the past... This guy was the editor of his school yearbook.  And the whole thing is filled with the same sort of racist bullshit that people are getting mad at Northam about, along with blackface, KKK stuff and so on.  He's more racist & sexist than all three Dems combined.
And unlike the Dems, if he gets the Governor position, he won't step down... The Repubs don't consider being racist or sexist disqualifying.

The Chief Deputy AG is a black woman. Someone vet her so Herring can step down, Northam can appoint her, then Northam and Fairfax step down.
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It doesn't concern you, Sister, that kind of absolutist view of the universe? Right and wrong determined solely by a single all-knowing, all powerful being whose judgment cannot be questioned and in whose name the most horrendous acts can be sanctioned without appeal?

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Being required by someone else’s religious beliefs to behave contrary to one’s sexual identity is degrading and disrespectful.

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Re: What are your future presidential predictions?
« Reply #65 on: February 08, 2019, 11:52:27 pm »
Yep.  Looks like all three are scumbags that should resign.  But this needs to be done very carefully, with experts figuring out a gameplan; otherwise, the end result of this mess is that the Republican Speaker of the Virginia House becomes Governor, and while we're discussing racist acts in the past... This guy was the editor of his school yearbook.  And the whole thing is filled with the same sort of racist bullshit that people are getting mad at Northam about, along with blackface, KKK stuff and so on.  He's more racist & sexist than all three Dems combined.
And unlike the Dems, if he gets the Governor position, he won't step down... The Repubs don't consider being racist or sexist disqualifying.

The Chief Deputy AG is a black woman. Someone vet her so Herring can step down, Northam can appoint her, then Northam and Fairfax step down.

The problem is, I can see the Republicans pushing for all three to resign, immediately, and for the status quo to remain; and I'm willing to bet the MSM goes along with them, as they always do.  That's why I say it should probably be game-planned out.  I would bet if they tried what you're suggesting here, the Repubs would complain that putting the DAG in the AG's spot is somehow circumventing the chain of succession and it's "not fair".

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Re: What are your future presidential predictions?
« Reply #66 on: February 09, 2019, 12:46:07 am »
Yep.  Looks like all three are scumbags that should resign.  But this needs to be done very carefully, with experts figuring out a gameplan; otherwise, the end result of this mess is that the Republican Speaker of the Virginia House becomes Governor, and while we're discussing racist acts in the past... This guy was the editor of his school yearbook.  And the whole thing is filled with the same sort of racist bullshit that people are getting mad at Northam about, along with blackface, KKK stuff and so on.  He's more racist & sexist than all three Dems combined.
And unlike the Dems, if he gets the Governor position, he won't step down... The Repubs don't consider being racist or sexist disqualifying.

The Chief Deputy AG is a black woman. Someone vet her so Herring can step down, Northam can appoint her, then Northam and Fairfax step down.

The problem is, I can see the Republicans pushing for all three to resign, immediately, and for the status quo to remain; and I'm willing to bet the MSM goes along with them, as they always do.  That's why I say it should probably be game-planned out.  I would bet if they tried what you're suggesting here, the Repubs would complain that putting the DAG in the AG's spot is somehow circumventing the chain of succession and it's "not fair".

Of course they'll say that.

Fuck 'em.
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Being required by someone else’s religious beliefs to behave contrary to one’s sexual identity is degrading and disrespectful.

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Re: What are your future presidential predictions?
« Reply #67 on: February 11, 2019, 03:52:33 pm »
So the National Republican Congressional Committee wants to flip 55 democrat house seats in 2020 using a message of Socialism vs Freedom.
Think this message is going to work come next year especially if Donald Trump still remains unpopular.

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Re: What are your future presidential predictions?
« Reply #68 on: February 11, 2019, 05:07:28 pm »
What do you mean remains?  Have you seen how many people figured out that the Tax Scam bill from last year fucked them over?

Ironbite-they'll be lucky to hold on to the Senate.

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Re: What are your future presidential predictions?
« Reply #69 on: February 12, 2019, 07:13:20 pm »
So the National Republican Congressional Committee wants to flip 55 democrat house seats in 2020 using a message of Socialism vs Freedom.

The freedom to get fucked by corporations, that is.

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Re: What are your future presidential predictions?
« Reply #70 on: February 12, 2019, 07:16:54 pm »
So the National Republican Congressional Committee wants to flip 55 democrat house seats in 2020 using a message of Socialism vs Freedom.

The freedom to get fucked by corporations, that is.

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It doesn't concern you, Sister, that kind of absolutist view of the universe? Right and wrong determined solely by a single all-knowing, all powerful being whose judgment cannot be questioned and in whose name the most horrendous acts can be sanctioned without appeal?

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Being required by someone else’s religious beliefs to behave contrary to one’s sexual identity is degrading and disrespectful.

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Re: What are your future presidential predictions?
« Reply #71 on: February 16, 2019, 09:23:46 pm »
Controversial opinion time, but socialism IS freedom and without the former we have very little of the latter.

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Re: What are your future presidential predictions?
« Reply #72 on: February 16, 2019, 10:07:56 pm »
Controversial opinion time, but socialism IS freedom and without the former we have very little of the latter.

Depends on what sectors you apply socialism in. I sure as hell don't want the government making cars, or publishing books. I don't mind regulation around those things (safety standards, obscene material), but I don't want the government being the body actually doing the building and publishing. The profit motive, once properly regulated, works to serve the interests of the public in those cases.
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It doesn't concern you, Sister, that kind of absolutist view of the universe? Right and wrong determined solely by a single all-knowing, all powerful being whose judgment cannot be questioned and in whose name the most horrendous acts can be sanctioned without appeal?

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Being required by someone else’s religious beliefs to behave contrary to one’s sexual identity is degrading and disrespectful.

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Re: What are your future presidential predictions?
« Reply #73 on: February 16, 2019, 11:46:42 pm »

Depends on what sectors you apply socialism in. I sure as hell don't want the government making cars, or publishing books. I don't mind regulation around those things (safety standards, obscene material), but I don't want the government being the body actually doing the building and publishing. The profit motive, once properly regulated, works to serve the interests of the public in those cases.


Government control != Socialism

Socialism means the workers control the means of production and the commons are not privately owned. More authoritarian interpretations do result in government taking the place of capitalist owners and controlling the means of production but that's not the whole picture. The most socialist actors in the current economic system are actually co-ops where the workers directly decide what happens to the fruits of their labor. This is why the agenda of current Labor leadership in UK is to support and create more of them.

Originally the end goal Communism was pretty much the opposite: making government unnecessary and it dying away as an institution. The later interpretations became more authoritarian and are in an important way indistinguishable from the capitalist system. If a worker has no say to how the end product of their labor is used it doesn't really matter if the one deciding that is a private citizen or a government.

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Re: What are your future presidential predictions?
« Reply #74 on: February 17, 2019, 01:25:42 am »
Well, I mean, I would describe myself as mostly a social democrat. If you just want to clock in and out every day for a wage from your boss, that's cool. I'll make sure your wage is enough to live on and that your workplace is safe and leave you to it.

EDIT: That is, I'm not post-capitalist.
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It doesn't concern you, Sister, that kind of absolutist view of the universe? Right and wrong determined solely by a single all-knowing, all powerful being whose judgment cannot be questioned and in whose name the most horrendous acts can be sanctioned without appeal?

Quote from: Supreme Court of Canada
Being required by someone else’s religious beliefs to behave contrary to one’s sexual identity is degrading and disrespectful.