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Politics and Government / Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Last post by dpareja on Today at 05:25:09 pm »
Does he seriously expect California to just roll over and let him install a border wall on our southern border?

Depends on whether it's on federal land, or land that can legally be expropriated by the federal government. As an acquaintance of mine noted, yes, US federalism is built on states leading... except where the Constitution says the federal government leads, and one place where the Constitution explicitly tramples all over states' rights is in management of federal land.
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Politics and Government / Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Last post by niam2023 on Today at 04:23:49 pm »
Does he seriously expect California to just roll over and let him install a border wall on our southern border?

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Politics and Government / Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Last post by ironbite on Today at 03:46:00 pm »
And yet here we are.  Shackled to the rules because the previous group of people in charge didn't see fit to pull on the leash of the monster they created.

Ironbite-now that they see the writing on the wall they still refuse to do anything
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Politics and Government / Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Last post by dpareja on Today at 02:57:11 pm »
Republicans will be very vocal about doing that kind of thing if they don't manage to get one of them as the next president. It will one of the first reasons for them to shit on Trump while trying to distance themselves from him.

Well right now some of them are pointing out that a Democratic President could do exactly that.

And here's the thing: I agree with them, as a matter of principle. In a system such as was set up in the US (as much as I think it is grossly flawed) it makes no sense for Congress to need a two-thirds supermajority to reclaim authority originally intended for it.
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Politics and Government / Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Last post by Askold on Today at 10:01:26 am »
Republicans will be very vocal about doing that kind of thing if they don't manage to get one of them as the next president. It will one of the first reasons for them to shit on Trump while trying to distance themselves from him.
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Politics and Government / Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Last post by Id82 on Today at 09:57:10 am »
Yeah good luck with that.
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https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/pope-sex-abuse-summit-vatican-1.5022979

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Church's credibility hangs in balance ahead of sex abuse summit

I find this headline hilarious since I think the Catholic Church has no credibility whatsoever.

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Pope Francis called for prayers ahead of an unprecedented summit designed to tackle sexual abuse in the priesthood ... "I ask prayers for this appointment, which I wanted as an act of strong pastoral responsibility in the face of an urgent challenge of our time," Francis said.

Very nice, Jorge. Now go talk to the survivors of gun massacres in the US about how all those "thoughts and prayers" from the NRA and their political stooges have prevented the next ones.

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Francis has summoned bishops to Rome to help him chart a way forward after decades of abuse by priests and prelates and systematic coverups by their superiors.

After you stopped US bishops from meeting on the same matter, probably because you were pissing yourself in fear that there was a tiny sliver of a chance they'd actually do something and make you look bad when this summit of yours predictably does fuck all.

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"I am absolutely convinced that our credibility in this area is at stake," said Father Federico Lombardi, who Francis has chosen to moderate the meeting.

Don't worry, Mr. Lombardi. It's not. You have no credibility to be at stake.

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"We have to get to the root of this problem and show our ability to undergo a cure as a church that proposes to be a teacher or it would be better for us to get into another line of work," he told reporters.

Quote from: Christopher Hitchens
On [Joseph Ratzinger's] comment, one of the few he's made, on the institutionalisation of rape and torture and maltreatment of children in Catholic institutions, he's said, 'It's a very severe crisis, which involves us,' he said, in the following: 'In the need for applying to these victims the most loving pastoral care.'

Well I'm sorry. They've already had that, and to say that this is the responsibility laid upon you by the horrific admission that you've already had to make is not accepting responsibility in any adult sense.

But I agree with Mr. Lombardi here. It would be better for them to get into another line of work, one that actually contributes something positive to society.

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Revelations in many countries of sexual abuse against children and a pattern of bishops hiding the crimes have alienated many Catholics. They also test the pontiff's ability to ensure the safety of children and to punish the abusers as well as any complicit superiors.

Oh no! We're not getting the donations we used to!

As for "test[ing] the pontiff's ability", that's a test Wojtyla, Ratzinger, and Bergoglio have all spectacularly failed.

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"You abuse a child, you have to be removed from the priesthood," said Peter Isely, founding member of the advocacy group Ending Clergy Abuse. "If you cover up for abusing a child, you have to be removed from the priesthood, and this is the only thing that is going to turn the corner on this global crisis."

Agreed, but you forgot the part where you also have to sue them for every last penny they have.

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"There is a struggle going on between the pope and his supporters who want a change, and a lot of people among the bishops and among the clergy who don't want transparency and applying law and order in the abuse issue in the world," Politi said.

As Sigma has noted, Bergoglio is no different from any other Pope, really. He just has better PR. To steal a comparison from Mark Rosewater, Bergoglio is a squirrel where other Popes were rats.

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Francis has tried to temper expectations for the summit, saying in January the "problem of abuse will continue" because "it's a human problem." Isely said the bar should be high and the participants "have to deliver for survivors."

Here's my expectation: fuck all with quite possibly a side of backsliding.

Sue them out of existence. Attack the money.
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Politics and Government / Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Last post by dpareja on Today at 04:01:36 am »
https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/trump-veto-border-wall-1.5023124

Another matter where Trump is ready to issue his first veto: the national emergency declaration.

I wonder if there would be support for a Constitutional amendment to strip the President's veto in matters relating to Congressional reclamation of power previously delegated to the executive.
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Religion and Philosophy / Re: Sex abuse in the Southern Baptist church
« Last post by dpareja on February 17, 2019, 01:22:45 pm »
A RELIGIOUS ORGANIZATION INVOLVED IN CHILD MOLESTATION!?  I AM SHOOKETH!

https://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/

You mean an institution involving children generally.

Yep. The BBC, the United Nations, Hollywood...

All dirty, all needing a clean-out and lawsuits.

Criminal charges, too, if possible.
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Religion and Philosophy / Re: Sex abuse in the Southern Baptist church
« Last post by Chaos Undivided on February 17, 2019, 10:51:22 am »
A RELIGIOUS ORGANIZATION INVOLVED IN CHILD MOLESTATION!?  I AM SHOOKETH!

https://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/

You mean an institution involving children generally.

Yep. The BBC, the United Nations, Hollywood...
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