Another Shooting. This Is Getting RIDICULOUS!

[Dakota Bob]

So are you saying Christians need to step their murder game up?

[mellenORL]

He's just frustrated that he cannot figure out how to build a Middle East-glassing nuke out of the rocks, fish bones, tin cans and bits of string he sleeps upon under the FQA bridge.

[Barbarella]

TheContrarian needs to "eat a gun". 

[Ultimate Paragon]

Are all atheists communists?  Are all Germanic pagans racists?  Are all Christians misogynists?

[TheContrarian]

Are all atheists communists?  Are all Germanic pagans racists?  Are all Christians misogynists?

Are no muslims scotsmen?

[TheContrarian]

Troll, I see you ran out of rocks to eat under our bridge. I'd cite "false equivalence" to you, but one can't expect a rock eater to know there is a difference between apples and oranges.

Yes.  Obviously.

A small group of violent lunatics in one country is scarcely an adequate comparison for a global tidal wave of religious savagery.

It does beg the question, however, as to why liberals are so enraged by the former while going out of their way to ignore or excuse the latter.

Doesn't fit the dishonest narrative they're peddling, I guess.

[Ultimate Paragon]

Troll, I see you ran out of rocks to eat under our bridge. I'd cite "false equivalence" to you, but one can't expect a rock eater to know there is a difference between apples and oranges.

Yes.  Obviously.

A small group of violent lunatics in one country is scarcely an adequate comparison for a global tidal wave of religious savagery.

It does beg the question, however, as to why liberals are so enraged by the former while going out of their way to ignore or excuse the latter.

Doesn't fit the dishonest narrative they're peddling, I guess.

There are about a billion Muslims in the world.  Is every single one of them a brutal religious fanatic?  Chances are, for every Muslim you could name who fits that description, I could name ten who don't.

[TheContrarian]

Troll, I see you ran out of rocks to eat under our bridge. I'd cite "false equivalence" to you, but one can't expect a rock eater to know there is a difference between apples and oranges.

Yes.  Obviously.

A small group of violent lunatics in one country is scarcely an adequate comparison for a global tidal wave of religious savagery.

It does beg the question, however, as to why liberals are so enraged by the former while going out of their way to ignore or excuse the latter.

Doesn't fit the dishonest narrative they're peddling, I guess.

There are about a billion Muslims in the world.  Is every single one of them a brutal religious fanatic?  Chances are, for every Muslim you could name who fits that description, I could name ten who don't.

I'm sure.

But if your 10:1 ratio holds throughout the population you still have an army of over a hundred million homicidal fanatics...

But more to the point, if you think that the actions of a minority of violent lunatics dispersed throughout the larger population don't demand some form of sanctions applied to the entire population...then why all this talk of gun control and removing the confederate flag from everywhere?  Surely you can't be claiming that every gun owner and everyone who flies the flag is a ticking time bomb ready to go off and commit deadly hatecrimes?

[Sigmaleph]

Troll, I see you ran out of rocks to eat under our bridge. I'd cite "false equivalence" to you, but one can't expect a rock eater to know there is a difference between apples and oranges.

Yes.  Obviously.

A small group of violent lunatics in one country is scarcely an adequate comparison for a global tidal wave of religious savagery.

It does beg the question, however, as to why liberals are so enraged by the former while going out of their way to ignore or excuse the latter.

Doesn't fit the dishonest narrative they're peddling, I guess.

There are about a billion Muslims in the world.  Is every single one of them a brutal religious fanatic?  Chances are, for every Muslim you could name who fits that description, I could name ten who don't.

I'm sure.

But if your 10:1 ratio holds throughout the population you still have an army of over a hundred million homicidal fanatics...

But more to the point, if you think that the actions of a minority of violent lunatics dispersed throughout the larger population don't demand some form of sanctions applied to the entire population...then why all this talk of gun control and removing the confederate flag from everywhere?  Surely you can't be claiming that every gun owner and everyone who flies the flag is a ticking time bomb ready to go off and commit deadly hatecrimes?

People tend to care more about things that are close to home, for a mixture of good and bad reasons. Good reasons include that if the people in your neighbourhood/state/country are shooting each other, you have a comparative advantage in trying to stop them (for example, by pushing for different laws, since you share a government).

(bad reasons are various, mostly availability bias and ingroup bias)

If Muslims were killing people at that same rate in America, I imagine the average American would care a lot more.

(also, trying to pin it on religion as opposed to, say, local conditions up to and including living in a warzone is kind of disingenuous)

[Vypernight]

I remember reading a news report stating the guy who did the church shooting wasn't even supposed to have a gun either, but her got one thanks to a clerk error.  So it comes down to not creating more gun laws but actually enforcing the ones we have.

[Eiki-mun]

What really struck me in TheContrarian's long list of "Muslim" deaths is how many of them had one of two phrases attached: "ISIS" or "Boko Haram". Most of the rest said Taliban. As Boko Haram is essentially West African ISIS, even going so far as to swear fealty to ISIS, you're basically saying "ISIS killed a lot of people", which is a surprise to absolutely no one, which the United States is already doing something about, and which is hardly representative of the Muslim faith. If you're going to equate ISIS with Islam, can I then equate Uganda with Christianity? Can I equate the Soviet Union under Stalin with atheism? Can I equate Israel with Judaism*?


*: No, not all Jews support Israel's actions. In fact, a great many do not. So, no, you really can't equate Israel with Judaism.

[Lt. Fred]

Oh, you mean the Aussie gun laws that don't work?

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2013-01-18/opinion/chi-the-failure-of-gun-control-in-australia-20130118_1_gun-control-mandatory-gun-gun-deaths

But I am in favor of stricter background checks.

Worked very well thankyou. Gun homicides and in particular gun suicides are way down since the mid 80s when we started adopting gun controls.

[Ultimate Paragon]

Oh, you mean the Aussie gun laws that don't work?

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2013-01-18/opinion/chi-the-failure-of-gun-control-in-australia-20130118_1_gun-control-mandatory-gun-gun-deaths

But I am in favor of stricter background checks.

Worked very well thankyou. Gun homicides and in particular gun suicides are way down since the mid 80s when we started adopting gun controls.

Your own government's statistics tell a different story.  According to the New South Wales Bureau of Crime Statistics and Research, there was no significant decline in gun-related crimes after the 1996 buyback.  In fact, gun crime is actually on the rise in Queensland.

http://www.news.com.au/national/gun-crime-in-queensland-on-the-rise-despite-firearms-amnesty/story-e6frfkp9-1226645545149#ixzz2Uc8x9Y3M

Meanwhile, American gun homicide rates have decreased by almost half since 1993.

http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2013/05/07/gun-homicide-rate-down-49-since-1993-peak-public-unaware/

[Lt. Fred]

Troll, I see you ran out of rocks to eat under our bridge. I'd cite "false equivalence" to you, but one can't expect a rock eater to know there is a difference between apples and oranges.

Yes.  Obviously.

A small group of violent lunatics in one country is scarcely an adequate comparison for a global tidal wave of religious savagery.

It does beg the question, however, as to why liberals are so enraged by the former while going out of their way to ignore or excuse the latter.

Doesn't fit the dishonest narrative they're peddling, I guess.

There are about a billion Muslims in the world.  Is every single one of them a brutal religious fanatic?  Chances are, for every Muslim you could name who fits that description, I could name ten who don't.

I'm sure.

But if your 10:1 ratio holds throughout the population you still have an army of over a hundred million homicidal fanatics...

But more to the point, if you think that the actions of a minority of violent lunatics dispersed throughout the larger population don't demand some form of sanctions applied to the entire population...then why all this talk of gun control and removing the confederate flag from everywhere?  Surely you can't be claiming that every gun owner and everyone who flies the flag is a ticking time bomb ready to go off and commit deadly hatecrimes?

Do you think other ethnic groups should be blamed for the actions of a few members during a war? Perhaps you think all Europeans are genocidal maniacs - after all, Hitler was a European.

Or perhaps this is silly contrarian racism.

Oh, you mean the Aussie gun laws that don't work?

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2013-01-18/opinion/chi-the-failure-of-gun-control-in-australia-20130118_1_gun-control-mandatory-gun-gun-deaths

But I am in favor of stricter background checks.

Worked very well thankyou. Gun homicides and in particular gun suicides are way down since the mid 80s when we started adopting gun controls.

Your own government's statistics tell a different story.  According to the New South Wales Bureau of Crime Statistics and Research, there was no significant decline in gun-related crimes after the 1996 buyback.  In fact, gun crime is actually on the rise in Queensland.

http://www.news.com.au/national/gun-crime-in-queensland-on-the-rise-despite-firearms-amnesty/story-e6frfkp9-1226645545149#ixzz2Uc8x9Y3M

Meanwhile, American gun homicide rates have decreased by almost half since 1993.

http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2013/05/07/gun-homicide-rate-down-49-since-1993-peak-public-unaware/

It's clearest in gun suicide figures. Suicide by firearm has plummeted since the 80s (gun control legislaton started in the 80s, not 1996).

(Edit: oops, forgot to add my cite: https://www.mja.com.au/journal/2010/192/8/suicide-australia-meta-analysis-rates-and-methods-suicide-between-1988-and-2007)

[Art Vandelay]

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I don't know if you noticed, but the topic of this thread is potential gun control in America. Some fundamentalist Mulsim loonies in Africa and the Middle East has sweet fuck all to do with anything in this thread.

If you want to discuss this sort of thing, start a new thread rather than clogging up unrelated topics.