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Re: Fat Acceptance Movement
« Reply #90 on: July 05, 2014, 05:09:27 am »
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Re: Fat Acceptance Movement
« Reply #91 on: July 05, 2014, 10:09:49 pm »
in other words, if you care about this enough to make a fool of yourself, you could probably stand to take a look at your life and figure out why you got angry about this and not about taxes.

Please enlighten us, Guizonde. What are the things we're supposed to worry about?
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Re: Fat Acceptance Movement
« Reply #92 on: July 05, 2014, 10:10:57 pm »
I missed that line.

Isn't "There are more important things to worry about" a logical fallacy?
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Re: Fat Acceptance Movement
« Reply #93 on: July 05, 2014, 10:16:32 pm »
That would be the fallacy of relative privation.

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Re: Fat Acceptance Movement
« Reply #94 on: July 05, 2014, 10:47:37 pm »
That would be the fallacy of relative privation.

really? didn't know about that one. ok, it's here.

oh, and not my aim at all (well, the wiki example at least).

tl; dr: a direct confrontation will get you nowhere, so do this movement sneaky-style.

disclaimer: my opinion, you probably don't share my socio-economic status (i'm a recent grad looking for employment in europe). ie, take all i say with a grain of salt.
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oh, and ironchew, the things you're supposed to worry about is how to make the movement effective, if you hold this cause dear. if you don't, there are plenty of windmills (here is a good place to start), but in between those are problems that affect the entire world, and not just a relative minority (anti-vaxxers, corrupt politicians, wars, climate change, the rising cost of wheat,... pick your favorite) 

i apologize in advance if my tone is perceived as snide or flippant. it's not meant to be

edit: i just totally saw the wiki entry for first world problem linked... it is litterally a first world problem, but without the shame factor associated with saying it...
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Re: Fat Acceptance Movement
« Reply #95 on: July 05, 2014, 11:22:36 pm »
I suppose I should clarify. I sympathize with a few of the aims of the body positivity movement (being obese myself, and society loves to bully fat people and belittle the challenges we face when we attempt to lose weight), but I don't necessarily agree with every fringe offshoot of it.

it all boils down to getting your order of importance straightened out. would society accepting different body shapes be cool? totally. before that, however, seeing as this movement will get massive resistance from your average joe ("but fat is icky!!" types), it might be easier to angle it from another direction: for example, rather than protesting and doing big walks, it might be better to start sensitization campaigns. stay hidden and plant the seeds in the shadows.

I strongly disagree. I cannot think of a single movement that has made any significant gains without firebrands. The firebrands are there to be in your face and force the public to at least confront the issue while the accommodationalists educate them further.
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Re: Fat Acceptance Movement
« Reply #96 on: July 06, 2014, 06:14:21 am »
I suppose I should clarify. I sympathize with a few of the aims of the body positivity movement (being obese myself, and society loves to bully fat people and belittle the challenges we face when we attempt to lose weight), but I don't necessarily agree with every fringe offshoot of it.

it all boils down to getting your order of importance straightened out. would society accepting different body shapes be cool? totally. before that, however, seeing as this movement will get massive resistance from your average joe ("but fat is icky!!" types), it might be easier to angle it from another direction: for example, rather than protesting and doing big walks, it might be better to start sensitization campaigns. stay hidden and plant the seeds in the shadows.

I strongly disagree. I cannot think of a single movement that has made any significant gains without firebrands. The firebrands are there to be in your face and force the public to at least confront the issue while the accommodationalists educate them further.

if you think screaming and sneaking are two sides of the same coin, fair enough, and i agree to a certain extent. it's two different tactics, although the sneaky way did have some success, mostly in the learned circles. the Lumière movement had philosophical firebrands, but it took the rest of the world decades before they realized that suddenly, the enlightened were the majority. it's also the way lobbies function, even though i'm not a partisan of those tactics either.
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Re: Fat Acceptance Movement
« Reply #97 on: July 06, 2014, 07:31:23 am »
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Re: Fat Acceptance Movement
« Reply #98 on: July 06, 2014, 08:34:33 am »
I'm 6'4", muscular, healthy, mostly white, ambidextrous, straight, cis, upper-middle class, American, neurotypical, radical centrist, progressive protestant, of above-average intelligence, an avid rock climber, brown-eyed, black-haired, and hairy.  But I think I might have Latino and Amerindian ancestry somewhere.