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Community => Religion and Philosophy => Topic started by: Barbarella on March 02, 2015, 01:26:36 pm
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A freak who was a self-styled "pastor" started some cult-commune so he could diddle young girls. Upon being found out, he fled justice and was put on the FBI's Most Wanted list.....
http://www.cnn.com/2015/03/01/us/victor-barnard-brazil-caught/index.html
.....but they caught him! Yay! They found this jerk in Brazil.
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Good! Now he can finally be brought to justice.
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What a fuckin' creep, glad they nabbed him.
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They were lucky to catch him alive. South American countries take this stuff very personally. The ones they catch don't usually survive imprisonment.
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They were lucky to catch him alive. South American countries take this stuff very personally.
If South America was well and truly outraged by child molestation the Catholic church wouldn't even exist there.
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They were lucky to catch him alive. South American countries take this stuff very personally.
If South America was well and truly outraged by child molestation the Catholic church wouldn't even exist there.
Are you...are you seriously suggesting each and every Catholic minister and priest, bishop and cardinal is a pedophile?
I will just say it - you take your antitheism to truly moronic heights. To say with that much certainty and be so utterly assured of your own rightness...
...why, its something David J. Stewart would sympathize with and understand.
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They were lucky to catch him alive. South American countries take this stuff very personally.
If South America was well and truly outraged by child molestation the Catholic church wouldn't even exist there.
Are you...are you seriously suggesting each and every Catholic minister and priest, bishop and cardinal is a pedophile?
I will just say it - you take your antitheism to truly moronic heights. To say with that much certainty and be so utterly assured of your own rightness...
...why, its something David J. Stewart would sympathize with and understand.
It's probably more because it's an organisation that actively protects its child molesters from the authorities, rather than every single last clergyman is a kiddy fiddler. Any other organisation tries that, they'd be banned from the country and all of their assets siezed. Yet for some stupid reason, not only is the Catholic church not given so much as a slap on the wrist, but anyone who even suggests such a thing may be warrented is called "moronic". By an atheist, no less.
I really don't understand why everyone, non-Catholics included, are so intent on giving the Catholic church a pass for this kind of bullshit.
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I am not for giving it a pass. I simply thought he was inferring that each and every priest and lay member was somehow a pedophile or guilty of the crimes of the pedophiles.
There is a culture of protection of "our own" in the top rungs of the Catholic Church. As far as I've noticed, its started to erode.
I'm just being brutally honest with him - that statement was very easily read in a Fundamentalist-esque tone.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VABSoHYQr6k
Fixed.
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Here we go again...... :P ::)
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They were lucky to catch him alive. South American countries take this stuff very personally.
If South America was well and truly outraged by child molestation the Catholic church wouldn't even exist there.
Are you...are you seriously suggesting each and every Catholic minister and priest, bishop and cardinal is a pedophile?
I will just say it - you take your antitheism to truly moronic heights. To say with that much certainty and be so utterly assured of your own rightness...
...why, its something David J. Stewart would sympathize with and understand.
It's probably more because it's an organisation that actively protects its child molesters from the authorities, rather than every single last clergyman is a kiddy fiddler. Any other organisation tries that, they'd be banned from the country and all of their assets siezed. Yet for some stupid reason, not only is the Catholic church not given so much as a slap on the wrist, but anyone who even suggests such a thing may be warrented is called "moronic". By an atheist, no less.
I really don't understand why everyone, non-Catholics included, are so intent on giving the Catholic church a pass for this kind of bullshit.
And I really don't understand why you're not nearly as outraged at the BBC doing pretty much the exact same things.
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They were lucky to catch him alive. South American countries take this stuff very personally.
If South America was well and truly outraged by child molestation the Catholic church wouldn't even exist there.
Are you...are you seriously suggesting each and every Catholic minister and priest, bishop and cardinal is a pedophile?
I will just say it - you take your antitheism to truly moronic heights. To say with that much certainty and be so utterly assured of your own rightness...
...why, its something David J. Stewart would sympathize with and understand.
It's probably more because it's an organisation that actively protects its child molesters from the authorities, rather than every single last clergyman is a kiddy fiddler. Any other organisation tries that, they'd be banned from the country and all of their assets siezed. Yet for some stupid reason, not only is the Catholic church not given so much as a slap on the wrist, but anyone who even suggests such a thing may be warrented is called "moronic". By an atheist, no less.
I really don't understand why everyone, non-Catholics included, are so intent on giving the Catholic church a pass for this kind of bullshit.
And I really don't understand why you're not nearly as outraged at the BBC doing pretty much the exact same things.
I've never heard of the BBC covering for kiddy fiddlers before. Assuming that's true, then yes, they too are essentially a criminal organisaton and most certainly should be treated as such. Why, are you implying that you disagree with that sentiment?
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I think I first heard about this fucker on /r/creepy, and am relieved to discover he has been brought to justice.
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I assume UP is talking about Jonny Saville, Garry Glitter and Rolf Harris. I don't know enough of the details about cover ups there but it would, at least in Saville's case, be the NHS as well as hospitals covered up for him as well. From what I do know about that stuff though it is not really comparable to the Catholic Church.
Despite the Louis CK video (which I think is fucking funny) I don't think the Church's problems with child molestation and cover ups really is about fucking children. I think it is more the tension between the Church being its own authority and not succumbing to temporal authority. The same things that resulted in conflict between Henry II of England and the Thomas Beckett - "Which cracker will rid me of this turbulent priest!"
It is why the Catholic Church has been a bastion of thieves, murderers and looters for the past 1000 years or more.
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I have no problem with the Roman Catholic RELIGION, it's some of the guys running it that's a problem. I also think the cover-ups are due to....
* Embarrassment, shame & denial for most of the RC leadership.
* They have a bit of a clergy-shortage and can't afford to lose any more (the fact that the solution to that problem involves relaxing some sex/marriage based rules, women clergy and optional celibacy completely escapes them).
* A minority of leaders are probably evil corrupt kid-fiddlers who think "Going Roman" in the "Roman Church" involves some good ol fashioned "Roman Pederasty".
In regards to this guy in Brazil, I get the impression that some guys start cults for the SOLE PURPOSE of indulging in their perversions. I feel the same about many of those FLDS groups. Warren Jeffs and his ilk just wanted a scheme where they, older & middle-aged guys, can get themselves some tween/teenaged girls. Why else would they often kick out all those teen boys from their cults? The whole point of the sect is "old guys marrying a bunch of young girls".
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I have no problem with the Roman Catholic RELIGION, it's some of the guys running it that's a problem. I also think the cover-ups are due to....
* Embarrassment, shame & denial for most of the RC leadership.
* They have a bit of a clergy-shortage and can't afford to lose any more (the fact that the solution to that problem involves relaxing some sex/marriage based rules, women clergy and optional celibacy completely escapes them).
* A minority of leaders are probably evil corrupt kid-fiddlers who think "Going Roman" in the "Roman Church" involves some good ol fashioned "Roman Pederasty".
In regards to this guy in Brazil, I get the impression that some guys start cults for the SOLE PURPOSE of indulging in their perversions. I feel the same about many of those FLDS groups. Warren Jeffs and his ilk just wanted a scheme where they, older & middle-aged guys, can get themselves some tween/teenaged girls. Why else would they often kick out all those teen boys from their cults? The whole point of the sect is "old guys marrying a bunch of young girls".
I've read that another reason, ironically enough, has to do with tolerance. Back in the 1970s, the gay rights movement inspired something very unfortunate: attempts to destigmatize pedophilia. And they actually managed to gain ground in Europe, with pedophilia being seriously defended and considered just as acceptable as homosexuality (if not more so) by a large number of intellectuals and some mainstream newspapers. And this was when the Catholic Church was updating its policies for dealing with sexual abuse.
There are other factors that are worth mentioning, most of them having to do with clerical culture. First, forgiving sins is part of a priest's job description. Second, many priests simply don't grasp the seriousness of the offense. And third, there's the idea among the clergy (which is thankfully starting to be seriously questioned) that a priest is a priest, no matter how heinous an individual they are.
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Back in the 1970s, the gay rights movement inspired something very unfortunate: attempts to destigmatize pedophilia.
Pedophilia is a sexual orientation, UP. They're born that way and they don't want to be treated like shit for admitting it to a psychologist.
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Pedophilia shouldn't be stigmatized. Child molestation should be.
You know, hate the sin and love the sinner, and all that.
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Pedophilia shouldn't be stigmatized. Child molestation should be.
You know, hate the sin and love the sinner, and all that.
Especially since most child molesters aren't pedophiles. It's too common of a crime for too low of a background population.
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Much like prison rape, a large portion of child molestation is less based on sexuality and more on power.
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I have no problem with the Roman Catholic RELIGION, it's some of the guys running it that's a problem. I also think the cover-ups are due to....
* Embarrassment, shame & denial for most of the RC leadership.
* They have a bit of a clergy-shortage and can't afford to lose any more (the fact that the solution to that problem involves relaxing some sex/marriage based rules, women clergy and optional celibacy completely escapes them).
* A minority of leaders are probably evil corrupt kid-fiddlers who think "Going Roman" in the "Roman Church" involves some good ol fashioned "Roman Pederasty".
In regards to this guy in Brazil, I get the impression that some guys start cults for the SOLE PURPOSE of indulging in their perversions. I feel the same about many of those FLDS groups. Warren Jeffs and his ilk just wanted a scheme where they, older & middle-aged guys, can get themselves some tween/teenaged girls. Why else would they often kick out all those teen boys from their cults? The whole point of the sect is "old guys marrying a bunch of young girls".
I've read that another reason, ironically enough, has to do with tolerance. Back in the 1970s, the gay rights movement inspired something very unfortunate: attempts to destigmatize pedophilia. And they actually managed to gain ground in Europe, with pedophilia being seriously defended and considered just as acceptable as homosexuality (if not more so) by a large number of intellectuals and some mainstream newspapers. And this was when the Catholic Church was updating its policies for dealing with sexual abuse.
There are other factors that are worth mentioning, most of them having to do with clerical culture. First, forgiving sins is part of a priest's job description. Second, many priests simply don't grasp the seriousness of the offense. And third, there's the idea among the clergy (which is thankfully starting to be seriously questioned) that a priest is a priest, no matter how heinous an individual they are.
Well, I highly doubt any self-respecting LGBT would condone kid-fiddlin'. Plus the whole "Gay=Pedophile" chestnut is boneheaded. That said, if there was some NAMBLA stupidity going on in 1970's Europe, I'll take your word for it.
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Plus the whole "Gay=Pedophile" chestnut is boneheaded.
The observation that the same inflammatory rhetoric is used by the "Pedophile=Molester" crowd should give you some pause.