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Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
« Reply #1350 on: May 21, 2018, 06:39:36 pm »
National-Socialism is truly the civil rights issue of our time.
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Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
« Reply #1351 on: May 21, 2018, 06:43:24 pm »
National-Socialism is truly the civil rights issue of our time.

Why doesn't anyone think of the Nazis!

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Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
« Reply #1352 on: May 21, 2018, 06:54:46 pm »
You seem to be confusing the threat assessment with the article. The fact the threat assessment wasted time fretting about anarchists only underscores the fact that they were woefully unprepared for alt righters firing live rounds at unarmed leftists, openly beating black men yards from a police station, forming literal torch weilding mobs-oh and vehicular homicide. All this reveals is the deep cultural problem within US law enforcement when it comes to accurately assessing right wing threats.

But fine people. But both sides.

They were basing things off recent events. I agree that they were woefully unprepared, but I don't think it's because of political bias.

Actually, I have a question. Is it wrong to condemn violent acts committed by Antifa? I'm excluding acts of self-defense, of course.
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Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
« Reply #1353 on: May 21, 2018, 07:11:22 pm »
You seem to be confusing the threat assessment with the article. The fact the threat assessment wasted time fretting about anarchists only underscores the fact that they were woefully unprepared for alt righters firing live rounds at unarmed leftists, openly beating black men yards from a police station, forming literal torch weilding mobs-oh and vehicular homicide. All this reveals is the deep cultural problem within US law enforcement when it comes to accurately assessing right wing threats.

But fine people. But both sides.

They were basing things off recent events. I agree that they were woefully unprepared, but I don't think it's because of political bias.

Actually, I have a question. Is it wrong to condemn violent acts committed by Antifa? I'm excluding acts of self-defense, of course.

Isn't it always self defence against Nazis?

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Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
« Reply #1354 on: May 21, 2018, 07:19:10 pm »
I think what bothers me the most is that you couldn't make the Blues Brothers today or it would be boycotted as being too political:

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulCw7RJ5eE8" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulCw7RJ5eE8</a>

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Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
« Reply #1355 on: May 21, 2018, 07:36:58 pm »
And as we have tried to point out repeatedly, Cap has been in vigilantee groups, several of them, that fought against Fascism. For some of those groups it was in fact the primary purpose.

He's a Nazi?

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Que? How the fuck is "Has been in several vigilante groups that fought against Fascism, and it was the main purpose of some of those groups"="He's a Nazi"? No. Please. Explain. Direct question invoked. I want your explanation for this one.
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Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
« Reply #1356 on: May 21, 2018, 07:46:29 pm »
Svata its the cancer man.  You can't be held responsible!

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Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
« Reply #1357 on: May 21, 2018, 07:55:57 pm »
You seem to be confusing the threat assessment with the article. The fact the threat assessment wasted time fretting about anarchists only underscores the fact that they were woefully unprepared for alt righters firing live rounds at unarmed leftists, openly beating black men yards from a police station, forming literal torch weilding mobs-oh and vehicular homicide. All this reveals is the deep cultural problem within US law enforcement when it comes to accurately assessing right wing threats.

But fine people. But both sides.

They were basing things off recent events. I agree that they were woefully unprepared, but I don't think it's because of political bias.

Actually, I have a question. Is it wrong to condemn violent acts committed by Antifa? I'm excluding acts of self-defense, of course.

Isn't it always self defence against Nazis?

It's self-defense if they attack first. Otherwise, no.

And as we have tried to point out repeatedly, Cap has been in vigilantee groups, several of them, that fought against Fascism. For some of those groups it was in fact the primary purpose.

He's a Nazi?

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Que? How the fuck is "Has been in several vigilante groups that fought against Fascism, and it was the main purpose of some of those groups"="He's a Nazi"? No. Please. Explain. Direct question invoked. I want your explanation for this one.

I was responding to this:

That was your original claim where you first started defending the Neo-Nazi complaining about the comic.
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Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
« Reply #1358 on: May 21, 2018, 07:57:33 pm »
.....................I have no words.

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Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
« Reply #1359 on: May 21, 2018, 10:03:36 pm »
Then, maybe, you should have said that in a position where it looks like a response to that, rather than positioned as a response to what it actually appeared to reply to. Because how the hell else does this read?
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Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
« Reply #1360 on: May 21, 2018, 10:11:31 pm »
National-Socialism is truly the civil rights issue of our time.

Why doesn't anyone think of the Nazis!

I know. A few bad nazis in the 40's did a few bad things, like trying to eradicate an entire group of people and conquer the world... but that doesn't mean all nazis are bad. And how dare you imply such a thing? To do so makes you a bigot, and worse than Hitler, who only has a bad rap because of anti-nazi sentiments that pervade our society.
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Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
« Reply #1361 on: May 21, 2018, 11:04:11 pm »
You seem to be confusing the threat assessment with the article. The fact the threat assessment wasted time fretting about anarchists only underscores the fact that they were woefully unprepared for alt righters firing live rounds at unarmed leftists, openly beating black men yards from a police station, forming literal torch weilding mobs-oh and vehicular homicide. All this reveals is the deep cultural problem within US law enforcement when it comes to accurately assessing right wing threats.

But fine people. But both sides.

They were basing things off recent events. I agree that they were woefully unprepared, but I don't think it's because of political bias.

Actually, I have a question. Is it wrong to condemn violent acts committed by Antifa? I'm excluding acts of self-defense, of course.

I think it's petty and sleazy coming from you specifically as you're trying to conflate lethal and genocidal Nazis with their opponents and claiming that the Nazis psychotic violence equates with leftists fighting them in self defence.

Also you missed the very next paragraph aftwe the one you're trying to use as your "gotcha" from the Vox article.

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Local and university pokice acted under similar assumptions, allowing white nationalists to move freely even after the violence on August 11.

So, their freaking out over a vastly overhyped antifa 'threat' caused them to overlook the ones screaming "blood and soil" and causing blood to soak the soil. Criminal negligence, at best!

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Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
« Reply #1362 on: May 22, 2018, 12:10:15 am »
You seem to be confusing the threat assessment with the article. The fact the threat assessment wasted time fretting about anarchists only underscores the fact that they were woefully unprepared for alt righters firing live rounds at unarmed leftists, openly beating black men yards from a police station, forming literal torch weilding mobs-oh and vehicular homicide. All this reveals is the deep cultural problem within US law enforcement when it comes to accurately assessing right wing threats.

But fine people. But both sides.

They were basing things off recent events. I agree that they were woefully unprepared, but I don't think it's because of political bias.

Actually, I have a question. Is it wrong to condemn violent acts committed by Antifa? I'm excluding acts of self-defense, of course.

I think it's petty and sleazy coming from you specifically as you're trying to conflate lethal and genocidal Nazis with their opponents and claiming that the Nazis psychotic violence equates with leftists fighting them in self defence.

I specifically excluded self-defense. Try again.

Also you missed the very next paragraph aftwe the one you're trying to use as your "gotcha" from the Vox article.

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Local and university pokice acted under similar assumptions, allowing white nationalists to move freely even after the violence on August 11.

So, their freaking out over a vastly overhyped antifa 'threat' caused them to overlook the ones screaming "blood and soil" and causing blood to soak the soil. Criminal negligence, at best!

You mean they operated under the assumption that, based on past events, Antifa would attack and the alt-right would fight in self-defense? I agree that they should have taken greater measures in case the alt-right started things, but it's not as biased as you claim it to be.
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Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
« Reply #1363 on: May 22, 2018, 12:29:53 am »
Not that it matters. I mean, pointing out the obvious here is like shouting at a brick wall. It just begs the philosophical question whether a point truly has meaning if no intelligent observer is there to evaluate and understand said point. Essentially, the old "if a tree falls on Helen Keller, and no one is around, does she make a sound?"

Nevertheless, here I go: Lana, the timing of the protest coupled with the police action is suspect. It was after Charlottesville, where the alt-right killed a peaceful protestor. Disarming the group that is clearly less violent, while allowing literal Nazis to carry weapons in the wake Charlottesville, was clearly not borne of a desire to maintain peace: it was to leave protestors defenseless to Nazi attacks.

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Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
« Reply #1364 on: May 22, 2018, 12:43:10 am »
You seem to be confusing the threat assessment with the article. The fact the threat assessment wasted time fretting about anarchists only underscores the fact that they were woefully unprepared for alt righters firing live rounds at unarmed leftists, openly beating black men yards from a police station, forming literal torch weilding mobs-oh and vehicular homicide. All this reveals is the deep cultural problem within US law enforcement when it comes to accurately assessing right wing threats.

But fine people. But both sides.

They were basing things off recent events. I agree that they were woefully unprepared, but I don't think it's because of political bias.

Actually, I have a question. Is it wrong to condemn violent acts committed by Antifa? I'm excluding acts of self-defense, of course.

I think it's petty and sleazy coming from you specifically as you're trying to conflate lethal and genocidal Nazis with their opponents and claiming that the Nazis psychotic violence equates with leftists fighting them in self defence.

I specifically excluded self-defense. Try again.


Fighting Nazis, esp. if you belong to any of the groups that they literally want to wipe from the face of the Earth. Is always self-defense.
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