#YesAllWomen

[I am lizard]

I sympathize completely.  However, to use that as an excuse to be wary of all men is just stupid.

It's a survival mechanism UP, in lots of places (big cities, cons, ect.) being wary of men can keep you off the Missing Persons list.
 I'd personally say that's more important than keeping guys comfortable.

[I am lizard]

One last thing: you don't agree with everything that post says, right UP?

[Witchyjoshy]

Fucking Hel, Lizard, it sometimes takes a full day to respond, just be patient and wait, and use the edit button!

[Ultimate Paragon]

One last thing: you don't agree with everything that post says, right UP?

No I don't.  For example, John Wayne Bobbitt deserved to have his penis cut off.

[I am lizard]

One last thing: you don't agree with everything that post says, right UP?

No I don't.  For example, John Wayne Bobbitt deserved to have his penis cut off.

One last thing: you don't agree with everything that post says, right UP?

No I don't.  For example, John Wayne Bobbitt deserved to have his penis cut off.

I meant how they were implying we should feel sorry for Eliot Rodgers and people who commit crimes against women. Or the start where they ask "how the 10% of m&ms (symbolic of rapists and abusers) got that way" what's this saying? Okay, granted I might be simply misunderstanding this post or something but at very least you have to admit it's a bit over complicated.

Lol, I suppose I could just be paranoid about Men's Rights activists talking about male victims, cuz a lot of the time it'll basically be saying in some manner or another "Shut up, your problems aren't important as long as someone else might have have them too!

[Ultimate Paragon]

I agree with you, we should not feel sorry for men like that.  However, nor should we assume that 10% of men are rapists, abusers, or misogynistic shitheads.

I am also opposed to these idiots trying to shut up feminists by saying things like that.  On the other hand, there are legitimate issues facing men.

[Witchyjoshy]

Of course there are legitimate issues facing men.  The only people denying that are the radfems.

However, bringing it up when women are talking about the fear they experience is diverting the issue.

Also, regarding the 10% statistic.

Judging from the original source, the 10% was just a random small percentage made up for the sake of an analogy.

Why are people taking it so personally?  I mean I'm a guy and I'm not taking it personally because I know I'm not a rapist/PUA/creep, but I know other people don't know that.

[I am lizard]

I think when women talk about thinking of all men as potential rapists they mean they're doing so for security reasons, sort of like how a soldier in Afghanistan has to think of every discarded piece of trash as being a potential IED.

[Ultimate Paragon]

I think when women talk about thinking of all men as potential rapists they mean they're doing so for security reasons, sort of like how a soldier in Afghanistan has to think of every discarded piece of trash as being a potential IED.

Ah yes, because simply being female is as dangerous as being an active-duty soldier in a war zone.  I'm sorry, I didn't realize this was Pakistan.  It's hard to take people seriously when they make hyperbolic comparisons like that.

[Sleepy]

I sympathize completely.  However, to use that as an excuse to be wary of all men is just stupid.

It's not about assuming every man will harm you. It's about being extremely aware of your surroundings when you're walking across a parking lot at night and see a guy approaching you. It's about questioning a guy's intentions when he starts becoming a little too friendly (and eventually sends you pornographic images of himself). It's about never leaving your drink unattended at a party because a guy may spike it so he can take advantage of you. I'm saying that there are extra things that women have to watch out for because there are men in this world who do those things.

I think when women talk about thinking of all men as potential rapists they mean they're doing so for security reasons, sort of like how a soldier in Afghanistan has to think of every discarded piece of trash as being a potential IED.

Ah yes, because simply being female is as dangerous as being an active-duty soldier in a war zone.  I'm sorry, I didn't realize this was Pakistan.  It's hard to take people seriously when they make hyperbolic comparisons like that.

The analogy could've been better, but he wasn't implying that the level of danger was equal for the two. And like Magus said, I dunno why people are taking this so personally. It's a fucking fact of life that women have to be more cautious because of shitty guys who exist.

[Ultimate Paragon]

I'm not taking offense at the notion that women have to take certain precautions that men don't.  That's just reality.  What I am taking offense at is the implication that women have to be cautious around men in general.  That's offensive in my book, because it simultaneously vilifies men and disempowers women.

[Witchyjoshy]

You're being self-contradictory now.  You don't take offense that women have to be cautious, but you do take offense that women have to be cautious.

Again, how are women supposed to be psychic enough to know who is and who isn't a creeper?

[Ultimate Paragon]

You're being self-contradictory now.  You don't take offense that women have to be cautious, but you do take offense that women have to be cautious.

Again, how are women supposed to be psychic enough to know who is and who isn't a creeper?

What I'm saying is, if a woman has reason to think he's going to hurt her, then she has every right to avoid him.  However, it's ludicrous to be suspicious of all men because one might hurt her.

[Witchyjoshy]

You're being self-contradictory now.  You don't take offense that women have to be cautious, but you do take offense that women have to be cautious.

Again, how are women supposed to be psychic enough to know who is and who isn't a creeper?

What I'm saying is, if a woman has reason to think he's going to hurt her, then she has every right to avoid him.  However, it's ludicrous to be suspicious of all men because one might hurt her.

Because every man who intends to hurt someone is going to exude all kinds of warning signs.  It's never the charismatic guy who looks like he'd never hurt a fly.  Never ever.  Right.

[Ultimate Paragon]

You're being self-contradictory now.  You don't take offense that women have to be cautious, but you do take offense that women have to be cautious.

Again, how are women supposed to be psychic enough to know who is and who isn't a creeper?

What I'm saying is, if a woman has reason to think he's going to hurt her, then she has every right to avoid him.  However, it's ludicrous to be suspicious of all men because one might hurt her.

Because every man who intends to hurt someone is going to exude all kinds of warning signs.  It's never the charismatic guy who looks like he'd never hurt a fly.  Never ever.  Right.

In other words, it's perfectly reasonable to be suspicious of somebody just because he's male.  Do you even understand what you're implying?  I'm all for fighting the patriarchy and raising awareness of women's issues, but this crosses a line.