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Title: Bryan Fischer: AIDS Denialist
Post by: Rabbit of Caerbannog on January 04, 2012, 01:28:22 pm
Alright, first topic I'm posting here :)

Bryan Fischer of the American Family Association (also in the running for Fundie of the Year here) has officially come out as an AIDS denialist, interviewing the most prominent denier Peter Duesberg, and concluding that HIV does not cause the symptoms attributed to AIDS but rather recreational drug use among gay men.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=df15ud2wUe4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHphnJDmOqE

When you think he can't sink any lower, he does.
Title: Re: Bryan Fischer: AIDS Denialist
Post by: gyeonghwa on January 04, 2012, 01:31:57 pm
He can't sink lower if there was not bottom for him to begin with.
Title: Re: Bryan Fischer: AIDS Denialist
Post by: Miles11 on January 04, 2012, 01:39:40 pm
Oh, AIDs denialists...

I feel that posting this is necessary http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dVYJp5dHf8


The woman featured in this documentary is Christine Maggiore, the director's wife. She proudly talks about how she is HIV positive and breast feeds her children without taking precautions to make sure they don't contract the virus.


Her daughter died a year later due to AIDs related pneumonia, and she died another three years later of the virus.

Of course, that didn't stop ANOTHER documentary from featuring her...a few months after she died of AIDs.
Title: Re: Bryan Fischer: AIDS Denialist
Post by: clockworkgirl21 on January 04, 2012, 02:50:25 pm
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The woman featured in this documentary is Christine Maggiore, the director's wife. She proudly talks about how she is HIV positive and breast feeds her children without taking precautions to make sure they don't contract the virus.


Her daughter died a year later due to AIDs related pneumonia, and she died another three years later of the virus.

Why was she not arrested for negligence for giving her kids AIDS?
Title: Re: Bryan Fischer: AIDS Denialist
Post by: Jodie on January 04, 2012, 04:46:16 pm
The woman featured in this documentary is Christine Maggiore, the director's wife. She proudly talks about how she is HIV positive and breast feeds her children without taking precautions to make sure they don't contract the virus.

WTF? WTF? WTF? [Error: logic curcuit overload. DOES NOT COMUTE! DOES NOT COMPUTE!]
Title: Re: Bryan Fischer: AIDS Denialist
Post by: ironbite on January 04, 2012, 04:52:00 pm
Wow really?  You're gonna deny AIDS exist really?  That's just sad.

Ironbite-and very very dangerous thinking.
Title: Re: Bryan Fischer: AIDS Denialist
Post by: TheL on January 04, 2012, 07:55:43 pm
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The woman featured in this documentary is Christine Maggiore, the director's wife. She proudly talks about how she is HIV positive and breast feeds her children without taking precautions to make sure they don't contract the virus.


Her daughter died a year later due to AIDs related pneumonia, and she died another three years later of the virus.

Why was she not arrested for negligence for giving her kids AIDS?

Being dead kind of confers immunity.
Title: Re: Bryan Fischer: AIDS Denialist
Post by: Vene on January 04, 2012, 08:05:47 pm
this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christine_Maggiore#Legal_ramifications) is what happened.
Title: Re: Bryan Fischer: AIDS Denialist
Post by: Rabbit of Caerbannog on January 04, 2012, 08:26:22 pm
this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christine_Maggiore#Legal_ramifications) is what happened.
Astounding. The HIV/AIDS denialists insisted it was not their bullshit that killed Christine, but another group's bullshit--holistic medicines. Sadder than it is funny though.
Title: Re: Bryan Fischer: AIDS Denialist
Post by: N. De Plume on January 04, 2012, 08:34:29 pm
I don’t know why AIDS denialism boggles me so. It’s not any different from any other pseudoscientific woo.
Title: Re: Bryan Fischer: AIDS Denialist
Post by: Captain Jack Harkness on January 04, 2012, 08:44:55 pm
I'm not sure if I'm more stunned over the revelation that he believes this shit, or the fact that he has a radio program as a platform for his bullshit.
Title: Re: Bryan Fischer: AIDS Denialist
Post by: Smilodon on January 04, 2012, 09:59:02 pm
I'm not sure if I'm more stunned over the revelation that he believes this shit, or the fact that he has a radio program as a platform for his bullshit.

In addition IIRC he got the endorsement of one of the major "family" groups. The (very thin) silver lining is that in doing so they earned a spot on the Southern Poverty Law Center's hate group list.
Title: Re: Bryan Fischer: AIDS Denialist
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on January 05, 2012, 01:01:19 am
And I suppose it's just a coincidence that every single AIDS patient tests positive for HIV?
Title: Re: Bryan Fischer: AIDS Denialist
Post by: anti-nonsense on January 05, 2012, 03:58:05 am
And I suppose it's just a coincidence that every single AIDS patient tests positive for HIV?

HIV is a sign of SIN which also causes AIDS! </fundie>
Title: Re: Bryan Fischer: AIDS Denialist
Post by: Askold on January 05, 2012, 04:06:46 am
And I suppose it's just a coincidence that every single AIDS patient tests positive for HIV?

No it is a conspiracy!
Some of them believe that AIDS is caused by HIV-medicin, so that covers most of the AIDS cases. It is true that ones who refuse to take medicin (the conspiracy nuts) also die of AIDS but their answer to that is simply claiming that "it wasn't AIDS, it was something else! (Propably all that gay sex he had.)"
Title: Re: Bryan Fischer: AIDS Denialist
Post by: TheL on January 05, 2012, 06:06:32 pm
And I suppose it's just a coincidence that every single AIDS patient tests positive for HIV?

No it is a conspiracy!
Some of them believe that AIDS is caused by HIV-medicin, so that covers most of the AIDS cases. It is true that ones who refuse to take medicin (the conspiracy nuts) also die of AIDS but their answer to that is simply claiming that "it wasn't AIDS, it was something else! (Propably all that gay sex he had.)"

Because gay sex is fatal.  A woman taking it up the butt from a man is innocuous (if icky and SINFUL!!!), but once you change it to a man's butt it becomes DEADLY.
Title: Re: Bryan Fischer: AIDS Denialist
Post by: Rabbit of Caerbannog on January 06, 2012, 02:07:26 am
This really leaves me wondering what fringe belief he'll endorse next. He's already insulted and mocked Native Americans, black people, women, gays, AIDS patients, Mormons, Muslims, atheists, liberals and victims of house fires. Can he go lower and, if so, where will it lead? Maybe bets should be taken?
Title: Re: Bryan Fischer: AIDS Denialist
Post by: Osama bin Bambi on January 06, 2012, 02:15:49 am
This really leaves me wondering what fringe belief he'll endorse next. He's already insulted and mocked Native Americans, black people, women, gays, AIDS patients, Mormons, Muslims, atheists, liberals and victims of house fires. Can he go lower and, if so, where will it lead? Maybe bets should be taken?

Jews and Hindus and people with autism
Title: Re: Bryan Fischer: AIDS Denialist
Post by: Thejebusfire on January 06, 2012, 02:53:01 am
Oh, AIDs denialists...

I feel that posting this is necessary
The woman featured in this documentary is Christine Maggiore, the director's wife. She proudly talks about how she is HIV positive and breast feeds her children without taking precautions to make sure they don't contract the virus.
Her daughter died a year later due to AIDs related pneumonia, and she died another three years later of the virus.
Of course, that didn't stop ANOTHER documentary from featuring her...a few months after she died of AIDs.


WHY...?
Title: Re: Bryan Fischer: AIDS Denialist
Post by: Rabbit of Caerbannog on January 06, 2012, 10:43:05 am
Oh, AIDs denialists...

I feel that posting this is necessary
The woman featured in this documentary is Christine Maggiore, the director's wife. She proudly talks about how she is HIV positive and breast feeds her children without taking precautions to make sure they don't contract the virus.
Her daughter died a year later due to AIDs related pneumonia, and she died another three years later of the virus.
Of course, that didn't stop ANOTHER documentary from featuring her...a few months after she died of AIDs.

WHY...?
Because stupid, that's why.
Title: Re: Bryan Fischer: AIDS Denialist
Post by: Xotan on January 08, 2012, 04:39:16 pm
Why not the WBC?  Oh no.  They're all lawyers. 
Title: Re: Bryan Fischer: AIDS Denialist
Post by: Meshakhad on January 08, 2012, 04:42:34 pm
People who vote. He'll attack democracy.
Title: Re: Bryan Fischer: AIDS Denialist
Post by: Itachirumon on January 12, 2012, 03:07:21 pm
This really leaves me wondering what fringe belief he'll endorse next. He's already insulted and mocked Native Americans, black people, women, gays, AIDS patients, Mormons, Muslims, atheists, liberals and victims of house fires. Can he go lower and, if so, where will it lead? Maybe bets should be taken?

He's pretty much reached lower than the WBC - they're universally despised, he still has positions with family groups
Title: Re: Bryan Fischer: AIDS Denialist
Post by: jumpingjackflash on January 16, 2012, 06:02:34 am
Alright, first topic I'm posting here :)

Bryan Fischer of the American Family Association (also in the running for Fundie of the Year here) has officially come out as an AIDS denialist, interviewing the most prominent denier Peter Duesberg, and concluding that HIV does not cause the symptoms attributed to AIDS but rather recreational drug use among gay men.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=df15ud2wUe4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHphnJDmOqE

When you think he can't sink any lower, he does.

(http://cafewitteveen.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/63031_1485605577335_1149750185_32371760_7271009_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Bryan Fischer: AIDS Denialist
Post by: rosenewock21 on January 16, 2012, 07:19:46 am
And I suppose it's just a coincidence that every single AIDS patient tests positive for HIV?

No it is a conspiracy!
Some of them believe that AIDS is caused by HIV-medicin, so that covers most of the AIDS cases. It is true that ones who refuse to take medicin (the conspiracy nuts) also die of AIDS but their answer to that is simply claiming that "it wasn't AIDS, it was something else! (Propably all that gay sex he had.)"

Because gay sex is fatal.  A woman taking it up the butt from a man is innocuous (if icky and SINFUL!!!), but once you change it to a man's butt it becomes DEADLY.

It makes you wonder how they explain women in committed relationships with other women. The group who has the lowest STD rate and nearly non-existent rates of HIV/AIDS.
Title: Re: Bryan Fischer: AIDS Denialist
Post by: Nightangel8212 on January 16, 2012, 01:02:26 pm
Don't these fucking morons understand that scientists can SEE the HIV/AIDS virus under a powerful microscope?! How  can you SEE something that isn't there?!

Wait, NVM. I forgot, we have dinosaur fossils too, but they still think the earth is only 6000 years old...
Title: Re: Bryan Fischer: AIDS Denialist
Post by: Sigmaleph on January 16, 2012, 04:40:27 pm
Don't these fucking morons understand that scientists can SEE the HIV/AIDS virus under a powerful microscope?! How  can you SEE something that isn't there?!

Wait, NVM. I forgot, we have dinosaur fossils too, but they still think the earth is only 6000 years old...
They don't deny the existence of the virus, they just say HIV doesn't cause AIDS.

Title: Re: Bryan Fischer: AIDS Denialist
Post by: Vene on January 16, 2012, 05:07:40 pm
Don't these fucking morons understand that scientists can SEE the HIV/AIDS virus under a powerful microscope?! How  can you SEE something that isn't there?!

Wait, NVM. I forgot, we have dinosaur fossils too, but they still think the earth is only 6000 years old...
They don't deny the existence of the virus, they just say HIV doesn't cause AIDS.
I'm almost, but not quite, curious enough to wonder what they make of antiretrovirals actually having an effect on people diagnosed with AIDS.
Title: Re: Bryan Fischer: AIDS Denialist
Post by: Sigmaleph on January 17, 2012, 04:57:17 pm
According to Wikipedia:
Early denialist arguments held that the HIV/AIDS paradigm was flawed because it had not led to effective treatments. However, the introduction of highly active antiretroviral therapy in the mid-1990s and dramatic improvements in survival of HIV/AIDS patients reversed this argument, as these treatments were based directly on the HIV/AIDS paradigm. The development of effective anti-HIV therapy has been a major factor in convincing some denialist scientists to accept the causative role of HIV in AIDS.

Those that cling to it seem to just be in denial.
Title: Re: Bryan Fischer: AIDS Denialist
Post by: N. De Plume on January 17, 2012, 05:40:17 pm
I understand that some people cling to this denialism because AIDS just has to be a punishment for gay sex. But for everyone else, I do not see what is so fucking important that they cling to it so much.
Title: Re: Bryan Fischer: AIDS Denialist
Post by: DiscoBerry on January 17, 2012, 07:02:12 pm
So the poppers did it huh
Title: Re: Bryan Fischer: AIDS Denialist
Post by: Radiation on January 17, 2012, 08:58:36 pm
And I suppose it's just a coincidence that every single AIDS patient tests positive for HIV?

No it is a conspiracy!
Some of them believe that AIDS is caused by HIV-medicin, so that covers most of the AIDS cases. It is true that ones who refuse to take medicin (the conspiracy nuts) also die of AIDS but their answer to that is simply claiming that "it wasn't AIDS, it was something else! (Propably all that gay sex he had.)"

Because gay sex is fatal.  A woman taking it up the butt from a man is innocuous (if icky and SINFUL!!!), but once you change it to a man's butt it becomes DEADLY.

The way you say this makes it sound like a gay man's ass is a weapon of mass destruction.
Title: Re: Bryan Fischer: AIDS Denialist
Post by: N. De Plume on January 17, 2012, 09:18:22 pm
Oh, but it is! Didn’t you know that?
Title: Re: Bryan Fischer: AIDS Denialist
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on January 17, 2012, 10:35:27 pm
And a gay man's penis is a weapon of ass destruction.
Title: Re: Bryan Fischer: AIDS Denialist
Post by: N. De Plume on January 17, 2012, 10:49:17 pm
Oooh! Punny!

(http://images.cheezburger.com/completestore/2010/4/23/129165187334369262.jpg)
Title: Re: Bryan Fischer: AIDS Denialist
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on January 18, 2012, 12:42:37 am
I always wanted tibia comedian.
Title: Re: Bryan Fischer: AIDS Denialist
Post by: Witchyjoshy on January 18, 2012, 11:24:00 pm
I always wanted tibia comedian.

I will kill you after I stop laughing from that horrible pun XD