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Community => Religion and Philosophy => Topic started by: the_ignored on January 08, 2012, 01:23:44 pm
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It's not just that he riffs (http://graceinthetriad.blogspot.com/2011/12/pastoral-implications-of-death-of.html) on Christopher Hitchens...he's a preacher, that's to be expected. What is unexpected is this kind of shit:
The take-home point: Many Jews rejected Jesus because they were created for damnation. This is because God takes the mass of sinful humanity and creates some of them for salvation and some of them for damnation. It's all done for His glory (Romans 11:36); the reprobates glorify Him in the justice they receive from God in their damnation and the elect glorify God in the unmerited grace, divine favor, and forgiveness of sins they receive in their salvation.
And he has verses galore that back this shit up!
They have heard the truth over and over again and have access to the same excellent online information that you do but they still reject it. All unbelievers who never come to faith in Christ do so because they're reprobates and God is in the process of hardening their hearts so that He can display His judgment against them on the Great Day (Romans 2:5; 9:18). Thus, be discerning so as to avoid casting your pearls before swine (Matthew 7:6).
6. The reprobate have an important part to play in God's creation.
All people have a God-given purpose for their existence. As it pertains to the reprobate, some of them will cure diseases, create helpful inventions, and do amazingly wonderful things that benefit the world at large and the elect especially. Thus, they have a God-ordained function in the overall scheme of God's plans for history. Ultimately, their denial of God will serve to glorify God not only in their damnation as God gives them over to their just deserts, but their rejection of Him also creates a playing field in the here and now that causes believers to respond to their arguments wherein they show the folly of their unbelief, the truth of Christian theism, and the unconverted elect hear and seeds are sown that eventually bring forth salvation in the lives of God's elect.
That entire post is bad. It gets worse as you go on and the guy spells out his rationalizations and conclusions.
All this maniac did was make Hitchen's case for him: "God is not good".
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Oh yeah, I remember reading the verses where god is compared to a potter, with people being his "wares", with some made with the sole purpose of being destroyed and making the good ones look better. It's actually pretty horrible when you think about it, contradicts the thing of him supposedly loving all of humanity (which was actually added in later), and is used to justify predestination.
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Is he a Calvinist?
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So much for free will. Seriously, I absolutely loathe people like this. I loathe them so much.
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Is he a Calvinist?
Probably. Calvinists believe they are god's elect and that everyone else is going straight to hell. The most horrifying and disgusting ideas always came from Calvinists. Like that god created most of humanity for the sole purpose of damning them while saving a few lucky bastards. That means that according to them, God created some people for the sole purpose of sending the to hell (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CompleteMonster)to endure the worst kind of suffering imaginable. (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HighOctaneNightmareFuel)
Not to mention that many of those who believe this horrific concept are unfeeling bastards themselves. Like this one jerkass who criticized a pastor for daring to question why god would send starving children to hell after they already suffered enough. Jerkass responded that he has no right to criticize god, how he's the clay god's the potter, and that we all deserve the worst anyway so we should shut up and accept what ever horrific fate awaits us. You'd have to be a pretty cold hearted bastard to believe in and love a god who would do this. Especially if you think that you're the "elect" and that everyone else is damned and deserves it simply for being born.
It really isn't that much different than Westboro only Westboro are even more cold hearted and hateful than your average Calvinist. (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BeyondTheImpossible)
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I prefer my system, where nearly everyone goes to heaven in the end.
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I'm pretty sure Westboro are some form of Calvanist
Is he a Calvinist?
Probably. Calvinists believe they are god's elect and that everyone else is going straight to hell. The most horrifying and disgusting ideas always came from Calvinists. Like that god created most of humanity for the sole purpose of damning them while saving a few lucky bastards. That means that according to them, God created some people for the sole purpose of sending the to hell (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CompleteMonster)to endure the worst kind of suffering imaginable. (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HighOctaneNightmareFuel)
Not to mention that many of those who believe this horrific concept are unfeeling bastards themselves. Like this one jerkass who criticized a pastor for daring to question why god would send starving children to hell after they already suffered enough. Jerkass responded that he has no right to criticize god, how he's the clay god's the potter, and that we all deserve the worst anyway so we should shut up and accept what ever horrific fate awaits us. You'd have to be a pretty cold hearted bastard to believe in and love a god who would do this. Especially if you think that you're the "elect" and that everyone else is damned and deserves it simply for being born.
It really isn't that much different than Westboro only Westboro are even more cold hearted and hateful than your average Calvinist. (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BeyondTheImpossible)
I'm pretty sure Westboro are some kind of Calvinist, though other Calvinists would probably beg to differ.
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This is because God takes the mass of sinful humanity and creates some of them for salvation and some of them for damnation.... All unbelievers who never come to faith in Christ do so because they're reprobates and God is in the process of hardening their hearts so that He can display His judgment against them on the Great Day...
But I thought god gave us all free will?
Can't you fundies make up one personality for your make believe god and stick to it? Get together and fucking pick one.
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This is because God takes the mass of sinful humanity and creates some of them for salvation and some of them for damnation.... All unbelievers who never come to faith in Christ do so because they're reprobates and God is in the process of hardening their hearts so that He can display His judgment against them on the Great Day...
But I thought god gave us all free will?
Can't you fundies make up one personality for your make believe god and stick to it? Get together and fucking pick one.
IIRC Calvinists don't think free will works like that.
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It's amazing how many fundies don't realize that looking at god like that makes him look like a complete asshole. How can someone belive this and still say their god is "all loving"?
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And I wonder more and more why people would want to worship this fuck.
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This is because God takes the mass of sinful humanity and creates some of them for salvation and some of them for damnation.... All unbelievers who never come to faith in Christ do so because they're reprobates and God is in the process of hardening their hearts so that He can display His judgment against them on the Great Day...
But I thought god gave us all free will?
Can't you fundies make up one personality for your make believe god and stick to it? Get together and fucking pick one.
According to the Calvinits, yes, God did give us free will. He gave us the free will to accept or rebel against His plans for us. But whether we accept or not.....it's still going to happen. Their version of free will is a free will that can not affect the inevitable outcome, only your attitude towards and acceptance of that outcome.
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It's amazing how many fundies don't realize that looking at god like that makes him look like a complete asshole. How can someone belive this and still say their god is "all loving"?
You know I almost have to give the Calvinists some credit for not going the bullshit route with how a loving god can send someone to hell. They outright admit that god is a sociopath who considers us his property. What's scary is when you consider that they also think this is perfectly fine and acceptable (unless they're just too batshit terrified to question things). Any questions are met with "god said it so it's right" or some kind of belittlement about how we shouldn't question god. It has to be the most amoral, mind raping dogma ever. Yet, because I try to be open minded, I still fear "what if they are right". (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/FridgeHorror)
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Is he a Calvinist?
When I talked with him on Skype he admitted that he had calvinistic leanings.
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This is because God takes the mass of sinful humanity and creates some of them for salvation and some of them for damnation.... All unbelievers who never come to faith in Christ do so because they're reprobates and God is in the process of hardening their hearts so that He can display His judgment against them on the Great Day...
But I thought god gave us all free will?
Can't you fundies make up one personality for your make believe god and stick to it? Get together and fucking pick one.
According to the Calvinits, yes, God did give us free will. He gave us the free will to accept or rebel against His plans for us. But whether we accept or not.....it's still going to happen. Their version of free will is a free will that can not affect the inevitable outcome, only your attitude towards and acceptance of that outcome.
so.....what's the point?
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The point is that they, the Calvinists, get to feel all smug and superior because regardless of how great you may be, how much you may have accomplished, how much you have helped the world with your efforts and energy, they are still better than you because they are the "Elect" and you are a "Reprobate."
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...SNIP...
Not to mention that many of those who believe this horrific concept are unfeeling bastards themselves. Like this one jerkass who criticized a pastor for daring to question why god would send starving children to hell after they already suffered enough. Jerkass responded that he has no right to criticize god, how he's the clay god's the potter, and that we all deserve the worst anyway so we should shut up and accept what ever horrific fate awaits us. You'd have to be a pretty cold hearted bastard to believe in and love a god who would do this. Especially if you think that you're the "elect" and that everyone else is damned and deserves it simply for being born.
It really isn't that much different than Westboro only Westboro are even more cold hearted and hateful than your average Calvinist. (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BeyondTheImpossible)
Heh. I can give another example right here (http://www.uncommondescent.com/philosophy/davescot-responds-to-barrya/comment-page-1/#comment-288174)
The ultimate kick to the groin? That's the bigoted bastard who loves to blame the holocaust on Darwin! Yet he has NO trouble with biblegod doing even worse than Hitler!
Subjective morality at it's best. Or should that be worst?
On the bright side, DaveScot bans Sarfati's ass from that site!
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That doesn't make sense. If God didn't create unbelievers, there wouldn't be any unbelievers that need converted. So he would not need unbelievers to make the believers look good for the other unbelievers.
What?
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This is because God takes the mass of sinful humanity and creates some of them for salvation and some of them for damnation.... All unbelievers who never come to faith in Christ do so because they're reprobates and God is in the process of hardening their hearts so that He can display His judgment against them on the Great Day...
But I thought god gave us all free will?
Can't you fundies make up one personality for your make believe god and stick to it? Get together and fucking pick one.
According to the Calvinits, yes, God did give us free will. He gave us the free will to accept or rebel against His plans for us. But whether we accept or not.....it's still going to happen. Their version of free will is a free will that can not affect the inevitable outcome, only your attitude towards and acceptance of that outcome.
Then why bother?
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That doesn't make sense. If God didn't create unbelievers, there wouldn't be any unbelievers that need converted. So he would not need unbelievers to make the believers look good for the other unbelievers.
What?
Because in order for the elect to be special snowflake douchebags, people need to go to hell. Otherwise, everyone would be equal and we can't have that. ::)
At least that's the impression I get from their mindset.
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Well, their God is the one wasting their time, so guess who wins in the end?
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Sometimes I really don't get them. Really. I mean, if that's the kind of person God is, I'd rather burn in hell than worship a sociopathic asshole like that. What kind of brainwashing do you have to go through to believe that at least two-thirds of every human who ever lived, lives now, or ever will live is going to spend an infinite amount of time undergoing horrific torture at God's hands, and yet still believe that God is worth worshipping? My parents are Calvinists, and they both believe that bit about everyone going to hell, and that God's loving and kind. I don't get it at all.
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it's all Salvational Relativity. There's no point in being "saved" unless there are a larger group of "unsaved" to compare yourself to.
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That's all well & dandy, but you can be the Superior Stock without bringing crazy ethereal fire torture into the mix.
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So, basically these people are all complete assholes.
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I prefer my system, where nearly everyone goes to heaven in the end.
I like mine, everyone just ends up dead.
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I'm hoping for a combination Valhalla/Las Vegas/Disneyworld afterlife myself.
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I never saw how intentionally throwing people into Hell is supposed to enhance anyone’s glory.
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I'm hoping for a combination Valhalla/Las Vegas/Disneyworld afterlife myself.
I like the one on American Dad where everyone had their own personal heaven.
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I want an infinitely large library, and read-access to the internet (with a button to cause stupid people to suffer embarrassing personal problems), oh and tons of fun people to play tabletop games with. Also, a font of perfect coffee.
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I just want to have my friends and loved ones with me. That's all I need.
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I think being a ghost would be fun. You could basically go where ever you want without worrying about price. I assume you could fly so you wouldn't need to pay airfare or waste hundreds in gas.
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Cept...you'd be wrong. Ghosts are limited to where they died and/or feel a strong emotional connection to. otherwise we'd be awash with the fuckers.
Ironbite-so annoying they are.
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Cept...you'd be wrong. Ghosts are limited to where they died and/or feel a strong emotional connection to. otherwise we'd be awash with the fuckers.
Ironbite-so annoying they are.
And we'd have more 'Ghost Hunters' bullshit clogging up the airwaves.
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I maintain that if ghosts exist, they derive most of their entertainment from fucking with ghost hunters.
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If ghosts were real, ghosthunters would be entirely different.
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No they wouldn't! Don't you see?! That's the genius! The ghosts make themselves look fake, while encouraging them to do ridiculous shit like yell at empty rooms! Comedic. Fucking. GOLD.
Also, where have you been?
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My ideal heaven is I think Dunt from egyptian mythology
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I maintain that if ghosts exist, they derive most of their entertainment from fucking with ghost hunters.
Likewise for UFOs and hillbillies in pickup trucks.
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No they wouldn't! Don't you see?! That's the genius! The ghosts make themselves look fake, while encouraging them to do ridiculous shit like yell at empty rooms! Comedic. Fucking. GOLD.
Also, where have you been?
If ghosts were real, how long d'you think they manage to go before one of them says "y'know, fuck this whole hiding thing, I kinda liked my life" and goes back to visit family and friends?
Also: I've been exactly the same place as always. Just, y'know, not accessing the same websites.
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This is why I am a Plural Spiritualist with a deistic view. I cannot believe that God, should he exist, is that horrible of a being to create us and then predeterminely consign us to hell. It goes against the whole freewill thing. At least I can chose which aspects of a religion I want to practice based on my own views and reject the legalistic aspects of dogma which I find to be inhibiting to one's spirituality. I am more for the spiritual side of religion and not the institutionalized regulatory part.
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No they wouldn't! Don't you see?! That's the genius! The ghosts make themselves look fake, while encouraging them to do ridiculous shit like yell at empty rooms! Comedic. Fucking. GOLD.
Also, where have you been?
If ghosts were real, how long d'you think they manage to go before one of them says "y'know, fuck this whole hiding thing, I kinda liked my life" and goes back to visit family and friends?
Also: I've been exactly the same place as always. Just, y'know, not accessing the same websites.
The other ghosts extra-kill him.
But, really, my question is this: Say ghosts are real, how come we don't get odd fluctuations in EM fields & temperature over cemetaries?
Yeah, ghosts, at least how they're presented by modern pseudoscience, are total bullshit.
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But, really, my question is this: Say ghosts are real, how come we don't get odd fluctuations in EM fields & temperature over cemetaries?
Then it will be too obvious, DUH. :P
Yeah, ghosts, at least how they're presented by modern pseudoscience, are total bullshit.
That, I agree with.
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Yeah, ghosts, at least how they're presented by modern pseudoscience, are total bullshit.
Hear hear.
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Yeah, ghosts, at least how they're presented by modern pseudoscience, are total bullshit.
I find Ghost Hunters entertaining for precisely this reason. It's hilarious, especially when they start asking an empty room questions for their "EVPs".
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Especially since it's obvious that the EVPs are faked...
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I prefer my system, where nearly everyone goes to heaven in the end.
I like mine, everyone just ends up dead.
I'm kind of hoping for the "Scrubs" style heaven. We're meeting up at the milkshake fountain by the lesbian cloud!
And if that doesn't work I tell people I'm a Calvinist but I accept I'm one of the pre-damned.
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Yeah, ghosts, at least how they're presented by modern pseudoscience, are total bullshit.
I find Ghost Hunters entertaining for precisely this reason. It's hilarious, especially when they start asking an empty room questions for their "EVPs".
I wrote a topic about stupid shit that people did in these shows. The forum got hacked into oblivion, but if memory serves, I listed; yelling at empty rooms, insisting all "orbs" are spirits, automatically concluding that kids are neither imaginative nor mentally ill but rather talking to ghosts, &...not sure about anything else. Actually, that's where I first made the "If ghosts/then they're trolls" joke.
I like these shows more when they're packed with something else. Like Haunted History &...well, history.
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It's the yelling at empty rooms that gets me. "WHAT DO YOU WANT!?" *silence* "JUST TELL US WHO YOU ARE!" *silence* "WE"RE NOT HERE TO HARM YOU!" *old floorboards creek* "DUDE, RUN!"
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I wouldn't say the EVPs are faked, because most of them either don't sound like what they're claimed to sound like, or sound similar to the claim, but similar to a lot of other possible statements that may or may not make sense.
Oh, that was one of the other things I mentioned.
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Most of the "evidence" (as in video, EVPs, etc.; there is no doubt that the "investigation" footage is heavily edited to make it seem more dramatic) I've seen on Ghost Hunters was so underwhelming that it probably wasn't faked, although I haven't really watched that much of it, and nothing past the first couple seasons.
Paranormal State, on the other hand, is so blatantly fake that I can't even laugh at it.
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I do think that's hilarious. If it looks unconvincing, it's most likely real, if it looks convincing, it's most likely faked.
I hate Paranormal State so much. I've grown used to these shows just kind of assuming demons & psychics as fact. But there, it's like every episode. They also use that flashlight thing a lot, which has to be the most unconvincing "ghost hunting technique" that anyone has ever come up with.
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Now, I do believe in spirits and ghosts and that shit, as well as orbs. I have seen some rather convincing videos on Youtube about it but I do remain skeptical about most of them. I have had "orbs" show up in some of the photographs of myself but I always attributed it first to something environmental (dust, light flare, dirty lens) before pondering on the supernatural side of it.
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They also use that flashlight thing a lot, which has to be the most unconvincing "ghost hunting technique" that anyone has ever come up with.
Flashlight thing?
Now, I do believe in spirits and ghosts and that shit, as well as orbs. I have seen some rather convincing videos on Youtube about it but I do remain skeptical about most of them. I have had "orbs" show up in some of the photographs of myself but I always attributed it first to something environmental (dust, light flare, dirty lens) before pondering on the supernatural side of it.
Would you happen to have a link to those videos? I don't mean that in an aggressive way, I'm merely curious as to what was so convincing about them.
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I think it's relatively new, I do not remember seeing anything on it back in the 90's.
The idea is that you take a flashlight, set it on a surface, & asks questions. The light will turn on/off in relation to the answers.
That sounds a little Ouja Board already, but what they don't tell you is that you're supposed to unscrew the flashlight first, which makes it incredibly easy to influence. In fact, the very act of the flashlight sitting there will cause expansion enough to change the on/off state.
The restort is usually that "it doesn't explain the regularity of the answers."
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Now, I do believe in spirits and ghosts and that shit, as well as orbs. I have seen some rather convincing videos on Youtube about it but I do remain skeptical about most of them. I have had "orbs" show up in some of the photographs of myself but I always attributed it first to something environmental (dust, light flare, dirty lens) before pondering on the supernatural side of it.
Would you happen to have a link to those videos? I don't mean that in an aggressive way, I'm merely curious as to what was so convincing about them.
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I'll have to try to find some as it's been a while that I have seen them and Youtube has a shit ton of videos like this, maybe I have some of them subscribed but for now I am going to bed.
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I think it's relatively new, I do not remember seeing anything on it back in the 90's.
The idea is that you take a flashlight, set it on a surface, & asks questions. The light will turn on/off in relation to the answers.
That sounds a little Ouja Board already, but what they don't tell you is that you're supposed to unscrew the flashlight first, which makes it incredibly easy to influence. In fact, the very act of the flashlight sitting there will cause expansion enough to change the on/off state.
The restort is usually that "it doesn't explain the regularity of the answers."
That's the typical pattern "divination" methods follow: all you have to do is look at a system that can show a response that cannot be predicted a priori, and when the random results appear, assume they have some sort of meaning.
Obvious examples are Tarot, hand lines, Ouija, casting runes, tea leaves, animal entrails, augury, and having a rooster peck at grains (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alectryomancy)
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JC - Yeshua Ben Miriam - was arrested, tried, sentenced and executed for violating Roman law and was executed by the Romans, as were 35,000 other Jews.
Not until 325 AD did the name Jesus appear, Christ meaning "Saviour" - a title, not a name.
The Romans then made the biggest whitewash job in history to cover up their crime by diverting the responsibility to the Jews.
Since when has the Roman Empire been known for its compassion? Even when it became the Holy Roman Empire, their armies went out to commit one of the worst acts of genocide upon the Dacians in order to grab their gold and rename their land as Romania (for the Romans)
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JC - Yeshua Ben Miriam - was arrested, tried, sentenced and executed for violating Roman law and was executed by the Romans, as were 35,000 other Jews.
Not until 325 AD did the name Jesus appear, Christ meaning "Saviour" - a title, not a name.
The Romans then made the biggest whitewash job in history to cover up their crime by diverting the responsibility to the Jews.
Since when has the Roman Empire been known for its compassion? Even when it became the Holy Roman Empire, their armies went out to commit one of the worst acts of genocide upon the Dacians in order to grab their gold and rename their land as Romania (for the Romans)
Um...the name Jesus shows up in all 4 gospels, IIRC. That'd put mention of that name at 70AD at the earliest, not 325 AD.
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JC - Yeshua Ben Miriam - was arrested, tried, sentenced and executed for violating Roman law and was executed by the Romans, as were 35,000 other Jews.
Not until 325 AD did the name Jesus appear, Christ meaning "Saviour" - a title, not a name.
The Romans then made the biggest whitewash job in history to cover up their crime by diverting the responsibility to the Jews.
Since when has the Roman Empire been known for its compassion? Even when it became the Holy Roman Empire, their armies went out to commit one of the worst acts of genocide upon the Dacians in order to grab their gold and rename their land as Romania (for the Romans)
Um...the name Jesus shows up in all 4 gospels, IIRC. That'd put mention of that name at 70AD at the earliest, not 325 AD.
Jesus is the romanized version of Yeshua. Just like Jehova is the romanized version of Yahweh.
But, I still need sources for the other parts.
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JC - Yeshua Ben Miriam - was arrested, tried, sentenced and executed for violating Roman law and was executed by the Romans, as were 35,000 other Jews.
Not until 325 AD did the name Jesus appear, Christ meaning "Saviour" - a title, not a name.
The Romans then made the biggest whitewash job in history to cover up their crime by diverting the responsibility to the Jews.
Since when has the Roman Empire been known for its compassion? Even when it became the Holy Roman Empire, their armies went out to commit one of the worst acts of genocide upon the Dacians in order to grab their gold and rename their land as Romania (for the Romans)
Um...the name Jesus shows up in all 4 gospels, IIRC. That'd put mention of that name at 70AD at the earliest, not 325 AD.
Jesus is the romanized version of Yeshua. Just like Jehova is the romanized version of Yahweh.
But, I still need sources for the other parts.
Wait. Waitwaitwait. I missed the part where czech thinks that the Roman Empire and the Holy Roman Empire were the same thing. The two were separated by a good 500+ years.
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JC - Yeshua Ben Miriam - was arrested, tried, sentenced and executed for violating Roman law and was executed by the Romans, as were 35,000 other Jews.
Not until 325 AD did the name Jesus appear, Christ meaning "Saviour" - a title, not a name.
The Romans then made the biggest whitewash job in history to cover up their crime by diverting the responsibility to the Jews.
Since when has the Roman Empire been known for its compassion? Even when it became the Holy Roman Empire, their armies went out to commit one of the worst acts of genocide upon the Dacians in order to grab their gold and rename their land as Romania (for the Romans)
Um...the name Jesus shows up in all 4 gospels, IIRC. That'd put mention of that name at 70AD at the earliest, not 325 AD.
Jesus is the romanized version of Yeshua. Just like Jehova is the romanized version of Yahweh.
But, I still need sources for the other parts.
Wait. Waitwaitwait. I missed the part where czech thinks that the Roman Empire and the Holy Roman Empire were the same thing. The two were separated by a good 500+ years.
I was just pointing out that Jesus is the Latinized version of Yeshua, which causes problems for that name to pop up that early. If I remember right, it wasn't until about 390 CE that the first collection of Biblical texts in Latin finally showed up.
The second part of my post was aimed at Czech, just in case that caused any confusion.
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I think it's relatively new, I do not remember seeing anything on it back in the 90's.
The idea is that you take a flashlight, set it on a surface, & asks questions. The light will turn on/off in relation to the answers.
That sounds a little Ouja Board already, but what they don't tell you is that you're supposed to unscrew the flashlight first, which makes it incredibly easy to influence. In fact, the very act of the flashlight sitting there will cause expansion enough to change the on/off state.
The restort is usually that "it doesn't explain the regularity of the answers."
That, and they've probably edited the footage to show only the good parts.
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Wait. Waitwaitwait. I missed the part where czech thinks that the Roman Empire and the Holy Roman Empire were the same thing. The two were separated by a good 500+ years.
At the risk of asking a stupid question, what was sitting there for all of that time?
That, and they've probably edited the footage to show only the good parts.
I like how they ALWAYS find what they're looking for. There is rarely, if ever, a false report, or a find that contradicts the commonly held belief about what is haunting the site.
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Wait. Waitwaitwait. I missed the part where czech thinks that the Roman Empire and the Holy Roman Empire were the same thing. The two were separated by a good 500+ years.
At the risk of asking a stupid question, what was sitting there for all of that time?
That, and they've probably edited the footage to show only the good parts.
I like how they ALWAYS find what they're looking for. There is rarely, if ever, a false report, or a find that contradicts the commonly held belief about what is haunting the site.
Are we talking "Ghost Hunters"? Because I've seen quite a few episodes where they either say their findings were inconclusive, they found nothing, or they found a reason other than the paranormal for what was happening. In one house they pointed out improperly installed wiring that could cause someone to feel like they were being watched.
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I was speaking in general.
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Of course you were.
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I don't watch Ghost Hunters, though I have said before that I don't believe the claims that it's somehow more legitimate than the other couple dozen shows that have the same premise.
Make of that what you will.
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Most shows I watch don't find anything spectacular or anything at all for most of the season. And I watch Ghost Adventures, Ghost Hunters, and others that deal with the paranormal.
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Most shows I watch don't find anything spectacular or anything at all for most of the season. And I watch Ghost Adventures, Ghost Hunters, and others that deal with the paranormal.
I can only remember two Ghost Hunters episodes that even really had anything. The halloween one where they went to the hotel that inspired "The Shining" and the thing leaning over the rails in the lighthouse from many seasons back. And they rarely find anything on Destination Truth. Some of them they outright stated were over imaginative people.
Perhaps this should be split into its own thread? We derailed from the original topic and went all EVPs and Ghost at least two pages back.
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That's funny, because Ghost Adventures was one of the ones I was thinking of explicitly. They ALWAYS find multiple EVPs, & frequently find "relevent" ones, EM spikes, temperature drops, etc. Now, keep in mind, there's a difference between what you & I consider evidence of ghosts & what the show is claiming. True, they only get something that raises my eyebrows every few episodes, but their claim is that they find something good every single time. In fact, they in specific have apparently gotten this observation before, because in one of the episodes, they handwave that it's because they investigate for 12 hours straight.
Other shows I've watched recently that fit a similar "ghost investigators" theme are Dead Files & Paranormal State. I can't think of any others at the moment. Speaking of, something I may have been vague upon earlier is that this is a certain type of paranormal show--I'm not commenting on anything relating to UFOlogy, anything which actually uses debunking tactics, anything that is primarily interviews, etc.
Mayhap. I wouldn't mind continuing this discussion. Though I wouldn't lose sleep if it died either.
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Wait. Waitwaitwait. I missed the part where czech thinks that the Roman Empire and the Holy Roman Empire were the same thing. The two were separated by a good 500+ years.
At the risk of asking a stupid question, what was sitting there for all of that time?
The Roman Empire was centered in the city of Rome on the Italian peninsula. The government was in Rome, with local governors in the provinces. This empire collapsed in ~400-500 AD.
The Holy Roman Empire existed from c.962 - 1806 (Napoleon split it up). While it acted under the auspices of the RCC (hence "Holy" and "Roman"), Rome was not part of the HRE at all. The HRE's government was in what is now Germany, and its territory at its greatest extent comprised what are now Germany, Switzerland, Belgium, Luxembourg, Liechtenstein, the Czech Republic, the Netherlands; parts of Austria, Hungary, France, Slovenia, and Poland; and a bit of northern Italy (but not Rome).
The two empires may have had similar names and overlapping territories, but they were not governed from the same location, nor were they the same country.
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Wait. Waitwaitwait. I missed the part where czech thinks that the Roman Empire and the Holy Roman Empire were the same thing. The two were separated by a good 500+ years.
At the risk of asking a stupid question, what was sitting there for all of that time?
The Roman Empire and the Holy Roman Empire were only really related by name. The Holy Roman Empire was a loose collection of different sub-units such as kingdoms, principalities, duchies, and so on that was centralised around Germany. Parts of Northern Italy also belonged to the HRE, but I don't think Rome itself ever did. Basically it was a bunch of German nobles calling themselves the successors to the Roman Empire. It lasted from sometime in the middle ages until the Napoleonic Wars.