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Christianity and the treatment of homosexuals
« on: January 21, 2012, 01:59:05 pm »
This is a venting/personal story thread.  If you're gay, what are some experiences you've had with anti-gay fundies?  If not, what are some things you've observed from them?  What aspects of the way they treated you pissed you off the most?

Personally, I find the "love the sinner, hate the sin" types to be far more infuriating than the in-your-face WBC people.  At least they don't try to hide behind faux "love and concern".  Plus, they're so over the top that I don't take them seriously anymore.

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Re: Christianity and the treatment of homosexuals
« Reply #1 on: January 21, 2012, 02:48:58 pm »
I didn't have to deal with it much during my life... I was one. I am so, so sorry. (I realized my mistake before I realized I was gay, if it at all helps...) I was taught, growing up, that homosexuality was a choice, and wasn't told all that much about homosexuality itself. Literally, the only thing I knew was that they chose it, and it led to "deviant" behavior. However, being a good person, I didn't want to just condemn them for it... I knew damn well that being gay didn't hurt anybody; I just felt bad. So I was one of those "forgive you for your sexuality" type people.

It has, however, given me a bit of insight into the way these particular fundies think... they legitimately do care about homosexuals; they're just operating under false information. I believe if there's anyone you should direct your "fuck you"'s to, it's the church leadership who Did Not Do The Research and then misled the entire group into thinking the way they did. So yes, they're wrong and ignorant, and they are guilty of not doing independent research and discovering the truth... but their "sympathy" is born of legitimate compassion, even if it is completely misguided.

*sigh*.. again, I'm sorry. :(
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Re: Christianity and the treatment of homosexuals
« Reply #2 on: January 21, 2012, 03:10:38 pm »
As a fundie, my anti-gay sentiment went as far as "Those poor people, putting themselves at risk for so much disease :( And sinning, too..."

Funnily enough, the one vaguely anti-gay reaction I can remember having was a legitimate concern for entirely different reasons... namely an older friend of mine having an unprotected sexual act (though it wasn't anal sex) with another guy.  I have honestly no idea if I would've had the same reaction had he done the same with a girl, so I'm allowing for the possibility that I could've been a hypocrite over it.

it sounds condescending (because it is) but to me, they were people to be pitied, not hated.

And then I took a straw-that-broke-the-camel's-back to the back, and left fundamentalism, began to become liberal, began to open my mind to the fact that gays were actually perfectly good people, that safe sex is always a good idea, that many reports of the disease and injury that I was told gays experienced were highly exaggerated.

...And then I figured out that the porn I was looking at was 90% male, 10% obligatory female, with not a single act of heterosexual intercourse in the entire gallery.

Outside of my own fundieness, the only experience I've had with this stuff was from idiots on Youtube telling people that they're going to hell, or telling gay people that they're "blessed with the opportunity to go into a lifetime of celibacy" (talk about Blessed with Suck) and all that shit.
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Re: Christianity and the treatment of homosexuals
« Reply #3 on: January 21, 2012, 11:35:45 pm »
My mother still thinks that I'm gay because she was a bad parent. That I chose to be gay out of rebellion because of hers and my father's mistakes.

Edit: to clarify, they are both fundies and I am a very liberal half-Christian. She thinks that everything- my faith, my sexuality, my political views, all of it, are just me rebelling. So.

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« Reply #4 on: January 22, 2012, 12:20:49 am »
One girl in my Catholic school (who was Baptist, funnily enough) actually interrupted class to tell us the story of Sodom and Gomorrah. I remember being so angry at her, because I was still in the "I can't be gay but it's OK if other people are" mindset, and I could just tell that it was wrong. I think what pissed me off was the blasé way she spoke about the death of hundreds of people. That's just... eugh.

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Re: Christianity and the treatment of homosexuals
« Reply #5 on: January 22, 2012, 01:12:04 am »
For people who purport to be compassionate and merciful, I think the anti-gay fundies are cruel, vindictive sons (and daughters) of bitches. I find it ironic that they reveal their true natures when they spout off on homosexuality.

My POV is that of a permanently straight dude: They really should take some remedial reading comprehension classes. Otherwise, they'd realize that they have become the Pharisees of their time. Of course, the greatest irony is that homosexuality isn't even mentioned. Pederasty IS, but not homosexuality. And the tragic part? I'm an atheist, and I know more about the Bible than they do.

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Re: Christianity and the treatment of homosexuals
« Reply #6 on: January 22, 2012, 01:12:36 am »
There was this girl in my history class once who said that if same-sex marriage is allowed then there would be nothing to stop feline-human marriage from becoming legal. The teacher rightfully called her out on this, and the next time the topic of same-sex marriage was brought up he said that the next person to bring up cat sex would have to stay after class.
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Re: Christianity and the treatment of homosexuals
« Reply #7 on: January 22, 2012, 02:00:29 am »
I was raised in a very liberal household   so i never meet any homophobes in my upbringing  but they are oh so abundant in my school  i can actually count the none homophobes on bolth of my hands and i mostly blame this on the fact that the majority are christen and so ya.

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Re: Christianity and the treatment of homosexuals
« Reply #8 on: January 22, 2012, 04:24:09 am »
One girl in my Catholic school (who was Baptist, funnily enough) actually interrupted class to tell us the story of Sodom and Gomorrah. I remember being so angry at her, because I was still in the "I can't be gay but it's OK if other people are" mindset, and I could just tell that it was wrong. I think what pissed me off was the blasé way she spoke about the death of hundreds of people. That's just... eugh.

Oh, thank you, you jogged a memory for me!

Once, while in college (during an Economics class no less), one of the girls giving a presentation mentioned about how the pro gay-rights movement was a lot like Hitler's propaganda.  This was during an economic comparison between America and Germany.  When it came time for questions, I barely managed to restrain the fury in my voice when I asked her what that had to do with economics.  She just hand-waved it.
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Re: Christianity and the treatment of homosexuals
« Reply #9 on: January 22, 2012, 06:11:43 am »
My boss is catholic and gay.  He told me that more than once, an old fart pastor will start spouting off anti-gay sermons, and he (my boss) and his 'husband' restrained themselves from telling the guy to $%#@ off.

My wife found a bunch of churches in the area that accept gays with open arms, but he insists on going to a catholic one.  So far we haven't found one in the area.
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Re: Christianity and the treatment of homosexuals
« Reply #10 on: January 22, 2012, 06:48:40 am »
Not by fundies, but I was picked on by a bunch of bogans for being gay in my high school. I can't've been older than 12 when it started, so I never really got a chance to question myself properly.

It lasted for 5 years. For 5 years, I was taunted, sexually harassed (by the straight males, no less), had rumours spread about me, etc.

It wasn't 'till October 2010 that I realised something was up. Thought I was bisexual for a while, but realised I was gay a bit later. I've still got reservations about coming out 'cause of the bullshit I suffered through.
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Re: Christianity and the treatment of homosexuals
« Reply #11 on: January 22, 2012, 09:42:11 am »
I think what pissed me off was the blasé way she spoke about the death of hundreds of people. That's just... eugh.
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Re: Christianity and the treatment of homosexuals
« Reply #12 on: January 22, 2012, 01:18:04 pm »
Not by fundies, but I was picked on by a bunch of bogans for being gay in my high school. I can't've been older than 12 when it started, so I never really got a chance to question myself properly.

It lasted for 5 years. For 5 years, I was taunted, sexually harassed (by the straight males, no less), had rumours spread about me, etc.

It wasn't 'till October 2010 that I realised something was up. Thought I was bisexual for a while, but realised I was gay a bit later. I've still got reservations about coming out 'cause of the bullshit I suffered through.

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Re: Christianity and the treatment of homosexuals
« Reply #14 on: January 22, 2012, 04:53:36 pm »
Homosexuality was mentioned in my school exactly once: as a method of AIDS transmission.  The other method mentioned was needle sharing.  My church didn't mention it at all.

So I didn't have a lot of programming to overcome in that sense.  However, the fact that people didn't even talk about it created the impression that it must be something really bad (an idea I extended to sex in general, as sex is generally not discussed in public).  After all, we didn't talk about bathroom functions because they were nasty, so the only reason you would avoid an entire subject in conversation must be because it was nasty and bad.
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