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Re: Fortune 500 Company Forces Closure Of Abuse Shelter To Build Hotel
« Reply #30 on: May 19, 2013, 11:03:12 pm »
Calm down guys, or I'm splitting the topic into flame and burn
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Re: Fortune 500 Company Forces Closure Of Abuse Shelter To Build Hotel
« Reply #31 on: May 19, 2013, 11:46:16 pm »
While I agree that people should get up and fight against injustices like what's happened with this women's shelter, the fact is that corporations and interest groups have what most people don't: money. With that, they are the ones that have the biggest voices in our politics, legislation and policy making.

There numerous grassroots organizations and small protests and marches, but unless you own a corporation, are a large, special interest group at.al you're not going to have much of an impact on a state or national level.

This doesn't mean that you can't try and become a voice for change though, some things work out on a smaller scale.
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Re: Fortune 500 Company Forces Closure Of Abuse Shelter To Build Hotel
« Reply #32 on: May 20, 2013, 12:05:59 am »
The CEO of said company should give up his own house in return. Or maybe just one of his summer homes.
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Re: Fortune 500 Company Forces Closure Of Abuse Shelter To Build Hotel
« Reply #33 on: May 20, 2013, 07:34:43 am »
When people stand up against the rich and powerful, it's true the cards are stacked against you. You might not win.

I'll just leave you with this thought from an old Redgum song.

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Re: Fortune 500 Company Forces Closure Of Abuse Shelter To Build Hotel
« Reply #34 on: May 20, 2013, 07:52:05 am »
What I don't get is how the hell can they force a sale?

Although it doesn't appear to be the case here, usually they use Imminent Domain, which for those of you outside the US is when the government forces someone to leave their land. I'm not sure if they have to pay them for it, but they usually do. It's original intent was for when the government needed a particular piece of land for a very good reason, such it being hazardous to the residents and they needed to move somewhere else, or needed by the military as a critical location(like to set up an AA gun near an important factory). It's recently been abused quite a lot for much more frivolous reasons.

A story was posted here a few days back of the UK's equivalent being used for the first time since WWII. Unfortunately it's been used a lot in the US

Yeah, it was my thread on Trump and his (and a few others') attempts to use the Compulsory Purchase Act to force people to sell their homes.  I'd say that the same type of douchebaggery that's happening in North-East Scotland has happened in Ohio as well.
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Re: Fortune 500 Company Forces Closure Of Abuse Shelter To Build Hotel
« Reply #35 on: May 20, 2013, 07:57:02 am »
> Can I help it if I have anger issues?

As a matter of fact, Spuki, yes, yes you can.  It's called channeling your rage into productive things, rather than going on a caps lock psycho-rage.  I do blacksmithing and sword practice, and yard work.  What's your excuse?

In fact Spuki, why don't you go and do something about the problem?  Put your money where your mouth is, so to speak.
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Re: Fortune 500 Company Forces Closure Of Abuse Shelter To Build Hotel
« Reply #36 on: May 20, 2013, 07:58:01 am »
Yeah, it was my thread on Trump and his (and a few others') attempts to use the Compulsory Purchase Act to force people to sell their homes.  I'd say that the same type of douchebaggery that's happening in North-East Scotland has happened in Ohio as well.

It said in the article there was no forced sale (at least by the government). Western and Southern used a lawsuit over zoning to bleed them of money until they would either sell willingly or go bankrupt.

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Re: Fortune 500 Company Forces Closure Of Abuse Shelter To Build Hotel
« Reply #37 on: May 20, 2013, 08:01:17 am »
Yeah, it was my thread on Trump and his (and a few others') attempts to use the Compulsory Purchase Act to force people to sell their homes.  I'd say that the same type of douchebaggery that's happening in North-East Scotland has happened in Ohio as well.

It said in the article there was no forced sale (at least by the government). Western and Southern used a lawsuit over zoning to bleed them of money until they would either sell willingly or go bankrupt.

So keep bringing them back to court so that eventually they're too broke to fight? 

You know, this is why I like watching the BBC version of The Apprentice:  It's nice to see corporate types getting fucked over for once.
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Re: Fortune 500 Company Forces Closure Of Abuse Shelter To Build Hotel
« Reply #38 on: May 20, 2013, 08:13:02 am »
Yeah, it was my thread on Trump and his (and a few others') attempts to use the Compulsory Purchase Act to force people to sell their homes.  I'd say that the same type of douchebaggery that's happening in North-East Scotland has happened in Ohio as well.

It said in the article there was no forced sale (at least by the government). Western and Southern used a lawsuit over zoning to bleed them of money until they would either sell willingly or go bankrupt.

So keep bringing them back to court so that eventually they're too broke to fight? 

That's about the size of it. One of the oldest tricks in the book when it comes to rich people getting their way.

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Re: Fortune 500 Company Forces Closure Of Abuse Shelter To Build Hotel
« Reply #39 on: May 20, 2013, 03:55:52 pm »
I know that the United States no longer has a strong union base, so I understand that no-one has come up with the one sure-fire way to get the tyranny of capitalist leeches noticed: a general strike. Seriously, the rich will not take notice or anything unless it hits them where it hurts the most: the wallet. If a large part of the US workforce could be persuaded (here's where the unions come in) to go on a prolonged strike, the wealthy would soon see that they actually do need the poor workers to maintain their lifestyle.

Oh, I do know that this is just a pipedream, but as I do live in a country with a very strong union base I know that this way of fighting brings fast results.

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Re: Fortune 500 Company Forces Closure Of Abuse Shelter To Build Hotel
« Reply #40 on: May 20, 2013, 05:56:05 pm »
I know that the United States no longer has a strong union base, so I understand that no-one has come up with the one sure-fire way to get the tyranny of capitalist leeches noticed: a general strike. Seriously, the rich will not take notice or anything unless it hits them where it hurts the most: the wallet. If a large part of the US workforce could be persuaded (here's where the unions come in) to go on a prolonged strike, the wealthy would soon see that they actually do need the poor workers to maintain their lifestyle.

Oh, I do know that this is just a pipedream, but as I do live in a country with a very strong union base I know that this way of fighting brings fast results.

It sounds ridiculous but an idea like that may actually work.

I'll explain....

Have a national week-long protest. In this protest, people don't go to work nor shop. Of course, there's a whole thing concerning food & such, so perhaps they should stock up on food, baby stuff, gas, etc. beforehand.

For a whole week, a vast number of folks across the country will refuse to go to work! If we could get a good chunk of the population in each good-sized town or major city to do this, it would put a big dent in The System!

As for this matter with the Women's Shelter, at least they're able to do what they are doing, it's just that they're moving to a new location. They may have lost this battle, however that's not to say they can't turn the negative into a positive.

I was wrong & rash in my outrage. There's no excuse for it. My temper shouldn't be an excuse either. I accept that sometimes the bad guys win a battle. I understand about Karma, too. Being a ShaktaPagan, I know about reincarnation & am aware that for many bad guys, Karmic justice often is reaped in the hereafter or the next lifetime. The Vedic tradition teaches about a state known as Naraka, the Hindu Hell, a temporary place of purgatorial punishment for the wicked. For many of you, this is "mumbo-jumbo woo woo" but I respect your right to not believe.

I should really get into meditation daily, that'll help me a lot!

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Re: Fortune 500 Company Forces Closure Of Abuse Shelter To Build Hotel
« Reply #41 on: May 20, 2013, 06:47:39 pm »
Spuki, let me explain something to you:

Not everyone here is left-wing or has a burning desire to bring down 'The System'.  People are pissed off about a large corporation using its financial muscle to shut down a woman's shelter, that doesn't mean that everyone is going to want to see the whole of the US shut down for a week to protest at the Government.

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Re: Fortune 500 Company Forces Closure Of Abuse Shelter To Build Hotel
« Reply #42 on: May 20, 2013, 07:03:40 pm »
People are pissed off about a large corporation using its financial muscle to shut down a woman's shelter, that doesn't mean that everyone is going to want to see the whole of the US shut down for a week to protest at the Government.

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Re: Fortune 500 Company Forces Closure Of Abuse Shelter To Build Hotel
« Reply #43 on: May 20, 2013, 10:13:03 pm »
Spuki, let me explain something to you:

Not everyone here is left-wing or has a burning desire to bring down 'The System'.  People are pissed off about a large corporation using its financial muscle to shut down a woman's shelter, that doesn't mean that everyone is going to want to see the whole of the US shut down for a week to protest at the Government.

No. I'm not against the Government. I'm all for supporting the Government, paying taxes & all that jazz. I love America and the ideals it was founded on. I was suggesting that people who work for regular, non-Govt. jobs (I should have specified that) protest by taking a week of, thereby depriving the big corporations money.

But after careful consideration, I realize it's a dumb idea, plus most folks won't do it. I must be sane & realistic.

If one is to starve the beast, it's best not to do business with the offending companies. There are alternatives, small businesses, credit unions in lieu of big banks, second-hand shops, dumpster diving, etc.

If everyone cut back on the big box chain stuff, we could greatly reduce the money going to dorks like the Kochs, Murdoch, this woman's shelter stealer, etc. Less money means less power & our ability to fight them would be a tad easier.

Government isn't the problem, it's corruption.

Believe it or not, I'm very patriotic...but it isn't blind patriotism, nationalism or jingoism. I love America as a concept, an ideal. An ideal that is very PROGRESSIVE. The Stars & Stripes should be in the same camp as The Peace Sign, Ecology Flag, The Dove, COEXIST, and other "Liberal"-type symbols. We need to reclaim that stuff, man!

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Re: Fortune 500 Company Forces Closure Of Abuse Shelter To Build Hotel
« Reply #44 on: May 21, 2013, 06:15:23 am »
Spukikitty, a mod told me to view your most recent posts as an example of how to do a proper reply.  Which
Spuki, let me explain something to you:

Not everyone here is left-wing or has a burning desire to bring down 'The System'.  People are pissed off about a large corporation using its financial muscle to shut down a woman's shelter, that doesn't mean that everyone is going to want to see the whole of the US shut down for a week to protest at the Government.

No. I'm not against the Government. I'm all for supporting the Government, paying taxes & all that jazz. I love America and the ideals it was founded on. I was suggesting that people who work for regular, non-Govt. jobs (I should have specified that) protest by taking a week of, thereby depriving the big corporations money.

But after careful consideration, I realize it's a dumb idea, plus most folks won't do it. I must be sane & realistic.

If one is to starve the beast, it's best not to do business with the offending companies. There are alternatives, small businesses, credit unions in lieu of big banks, second-hand shops, dumpster diving, etc.

If everyone cut back on the big box chain stuff, we could greatly reduce the money going to dorks like the Kochs, Murdoch, this woman's shelter stealer, etc. Less money means less power & our ability to fight them would be a tad easier.

Government isn't the problem, it's corruption.

Believe it or not, I'm very patriotic...but it isn't blind patriotism, nationalism or jingoism. I love America as a concept, an ideal. An ideal that is very PROGRESSIVE. The Stars & Stripes should be in the same camp as The Peace Sign, Ecology Flag, The Dove, COEXIST, and other "Liberal"-type symbols. We need to reclaim that stuff, man!
Historically, the government oppressed people with Peace Signs and Ecology Flags.  Anarchists, and anyone else with an unpopular political opinion who dared challenge the government and state power, could reasonably expect to lose their jobs, and were often beaten, imprisoned, or killed at the hands of strikebreakers and the police.  The symbols you mention, though often fully compatible with the limited government mandated by the Constitution, were in opposition to the authoritarian regime of the time.

I don't remember who posted it, but someone said they would rather pledge to the Constitution than the flag.  I don't think the problem is reclaiming symbols so much as bringing the government back to its Constitutional limits, instead of the current system where we have massive overreach and abuse of power.  This is not a "capitalist" thing, a socialist like George Orwell would have vehemently opposed the Patriot Act as well.  Belief constitutionally limited government does not necessarily make one a libertarian, much less a Teabagger or "right-wing Patriot militia nut."

In any case, I think I've pretty much given away through earlier posts that I strongly disagree with the pro-statism position.
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