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Title: Gillete Ad Upsets Manosphere Crybabies
Post by: Radiation on January 16, 2019, 05:42:15 pm
So Gillete, the razor company released an ad yesterday that has a lot of the incels and MGTOW men all up in arms. The ad features a montage of men engaging in behaviors that perpetuate toxic masculinity. Things like an all-male group of bullies chasing another male, there is a line up of men at grills saying "boys will be boys," there is a scene of a boardroom where a man places his hand on a woman's shoulder and mansplains what she said to the other male boardroom members. There is a lot in it and in the end it showcases how men could help be better people by being aware and stopping those behaviors.

Here is the ad:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=koPmuEyP3a0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=koPmuEyP3a0)

As usual whiny incels from the manosphere have reacted negatively about this as you can see in the link above. They are flooding every single video by the media or elsewhere acting as if they are being oh-so-oppressed by this commercial. This is their calling card with anything that promotes women or anything that is critical of men, usually it is white men that are doing this if going by any avatars that shows who is making these comments. Has anyone else notice this from incels on Youtube? I know there is a thread discussing them but I haven't seen much activity there.

What do you think of the commercial itself? I think it does have a good message but the people crying about it don't seem to get it, they say it's an attack on masculinity but I'm not seeing anything that says that "masculinity is bad, mmmk?"

I  know it's been a while that I have been here and I have upset some people, I am sorry about that. I have been reading a lot about these men and it made me realize that there are some things still worth fighting for and it makes me want to support feminism.
Title: Re: Gillete Ad Upsets Manosphere Crybabies
Post by: Skybison on January 17, 2019, 02:10:03 am
Quote
In response to Gillette’s powerful advertisement about toxic masculinity, Schick has unveiled a misogynistic razor for those angry and bitter men who feel betrayed.

“This product is 400% more likely to slice your face open than a regular razor, but you can take it because you’re not a pussy,” explained the three minute Schick Alpha Male Razor commercial. “It’s a razor for a man who refuses to be told what to do by a woman, whether she’s running for president or a doctor trying to stitch up his bleeding face.”

Special “gay-preventing grips” along the shaft are specially designed to reduce the razor from being dropped in the shower. The hyper-masculine shaving product is four times larger than a typical blade “so no one will fuck with it,” says the ad.


Instructions on the back of the packaging spell out a cruel and humiliating self-hazing ritual that must be completed before using the Alpha Male Razor.

“The blade only works on men with real jobs since women wouldn’t know how it works.”

To top it all off, the blade comes with a built-in speaker which plays Jordan Peterson reading from his books to smoothly affirm pre-existing prejudices.

In related news, a special hotline has been set up by Piers Morgan to help all of the men who feel that they were oppressed by Gillette’s commercial.

https://www.thebeaverton.com/2019/01/schick-responds-to-gillettes-metoo-ad-by-releasing-misogynistic-razor/
Title: Re: Gillete Ad Upsets Manosphere Crybabies
Post by: Kanzenkankaku on January 17, 2019, 03:35:58 am
http://www.wehuntedthemammoth.com/2019/01/15/angry-dudes-prove-toxic-masculinity-isnt-a-thing-by-screeching-about-a-gillette-ad-and-calling-other-men-soy-boys-cucks-and-fots/

WHTM article on thiso incident
Title: Re: Gillete Ad Upsets Manosphere Crybabies
Post by: Katsuro on January 17, 2019, 04:55:27 am
Seems like some alt-right snowflake beta cucks, insecure in their masculinity, got triggered again.  Says a lot about a person or group when they respond with outrage to a fucking ADVERT that says, "Hey, maybe don't bully or sexually assault anyone".  If those things define masuclinity for you, then you have serious issues.

Also, they might want to look into the Streisand Effect.  I mean if it wasn't for all this horseshit I'd have literally never seen or heard about the ad and I bet there's plenty other people who know about it who wouldn't have otherwise.  These fucknuckles are basically doing Gillet's marketing for them.
Title: Re: Gillete Ad Upsets Manosphere Crybabies
Post by: Art Vandelay on January 17, 2019, 05:52:19 am
As we all know, going viral is an advertiser's wet dream. I can't help but think provoking a pissing match over it is exactly what they were trying to do.
Title: Re: Gillete Ad Upsets Manosphere Crybabies
Post by: Askold on January 17, 2019, 11:17:55 am
a) Based on what I've seen the people who are mad at the ad are mainly the worst kind of people.

b) I like the way the ad was made and how it referenced their long time tag line.

c) Even if this was also an ad it's not like this kind of thing has never been seen before. How many times did the United colours of Benetton do something like this and instead of showing their product they highlighted issues that need fixing? Many of the complaints about this being just "virtue signalling" seem like an excuse to attack the ad. And even if this was done because they think that the controversy is beneficial it does bring up another positive thing. They think that taking this stance will not cost them customers, that the mouth-breathers and crybabies who think that "guys, we can be better to each other" is a message supported by the majority.

d) I am amused at the Mens-right activists who complain about the ad. They are always complaining that feminists and feminism should do something to help men and this ad is also taking a stance to help boys who suffer from toxic-masculinity. ...So now mens-right dudes are complaining because they don't want help from feminists?
Title: Re: Gillete Ad Upsets Manosphere Crybabies
Post by: Chaos Undivided on January 17, 2019, 07:05:33 pm
...Yeah, I'm gonna have to disagree with you guys on this.

I think a good way to determine if something is sexist against men is to add the adjective "black" and see if that makes it racist. With that in mind, let's imagine this commercial was targeted at black men.

What's the result? Black males being portrayed as violent, perverted assholes, and a heavy implication - if not an outright statement - that most black men either do that kind of shit or are complicit in it. Wouldn't you say that's racist?

Honestly, while I'm not as offended as some of these complainers, the ad still gets under my skin. But if you're not offended by it, whatever. You're entitled to your opinions.
Title: Re: Gillete Ad Upsets Manosphere Crybabies
Post by: Art Vandelay on January 17, 2019, 07:39:32 pm
Just out of curiosity, does Mr Undivided here strongly remind anyone else of a certain someone, or is it just me?
Title: Re: Gillete Ad Upsets Manosphere Crybabies
Post by: ironbite on January 17, 2019, 07:59:38 pm
No you're not the only one.
Title: Re: Gillete Ad Upsets Manosphere Crybabies
Post by: niam2023 on January 17, 2019, 09:14:09 pm
...oh dear not this again...
Title: Re: Gillete Ad Upsets Manosphere Crybabies
Post by: niam2023 on January 17, 2019, 10:57:51 pm
PLEASE at least wait for some other evidence to come in. This will just make us all look utterly paranoid.
Title: Re: Gillete Ad Upsets Manosphere Crybabies
Post by: Art Vandelay on January 17, 2019, 11:19:07 pm
All I said was that he reminds me of someone, which he honestly does, not that he's definitely a sockpuppet.
Title: Re: Gillete Ad Upsets Manosphere Crybabies
Post by: Eiki-mun on January 18, 2019, 12:38:13 am
Just watched the video. As a very masculine, male man who puts his blue jeans on one leg at a time, I... I don't see the issue. "Bullying is bad. Sexual harassment is bad. And we men are better than this, and we should act better, because our children are watching and they're learning from us, so let's be the best men we can be." That's the message that I took away from that video, and that's really not a bad message. So yeah, put me in the camp of people who just don't get the outrage.
Title: Re: Gillete Ad Upsets Manosphere Crybabies
Post by: niam2023 on January 18, 2019, 01:05:00 am
...yeah, as a guy who lifts every damn day and engages in typically masculine pursuits I do not see the problem.

Just comes off as;

MGTOW: Feminists aren't doing anything for male bullying and cruel social pressure!
Also MGTOW: WE DONT NEED YOUR LADY STUFF! ITS GIRLY TO NEED HELP!
Title: Re: Gillete Ad Upsets Manosphere Crybabies
Post by: Katsuro on January 18, 2019, 01:57:59 am
...Yeah, I'm gonna have to disagree with you guys on this.

I think a good way to determine if something is sexist against men is to add the adjective "black" and see if that makes it racist. With that in mind, let's imagine this commercial was targeted at black men.

What's the result? Black males being portrayed as violent, perverted assholes, and a heavy implication - if not an outright statement - that most black men either do that kind of shit or are complicit in it. Wouldn't you say that's racist?

Honestly, while I'm not as offended as some of these complainers, the ad still gets under my skin. But if you're not offended by it, whatever. You're entitled to your opinions.

So if the advert was different, and had - and existed in -  a totally different context, it would be bad so therefore the one that exists is bad? Yes, sound reasoning.
Title: Re: Gillete Ad Upsets Manosphere Crybabies
Post by: Kanzenkankaku on January 18, 2019, 02:32:31 am
The only criticism I can really muster up is it could come across as heavy handed in how it delivers its message.

Manbaby tantrums are still funny though.
Title: Re: Gillete Ad Upsets Manosphere Crybabies
Post by: Askold on January 18, 2019, 05:02:59 am
The ad also has men stopping the bad behaviour from others. That makes it clear that the ad isn't trying to say that every man is a bad one. I was just watching a TV show where the villain was a guy. Does that mean that the show was an attack on all men? Would it matter if the villain was Black or Asian or LGBT?

The fact that people keep crying about this Gillette ad so much means that either they have no understanding of nuance or they are dishonest in their arguments.
Title: Re: Gillete Ad Upsets Manosphere Crybabies
Post by: SCarpelan on January 18, 2019, 06:54:28 am
It's both fascinating and frustrating how it's so difficult for many people to understand how changing a social context can change the implications of a message. I guess it gives a comforting feeling of being more intelligent when you reduce a complex reality into simplified logical abstractions. Trying to pierce this illusion by bringing the complexities of communication and social contexts can be dismissed as being hypocritical and/or insufficiently intellectual.

This reduction can also be used to consciously dismiss any inconvenient context in order to play semantic games where the purpose is to just own the opponent. This type of game can often be an efficient trolling tactic.
Title: Re: Gillete Ad Upsets Manosphere Crybabies
Post by: rookie on January 18, 2019, 01:31:10 pm
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The fact that people keep crying about this Gillette ad so much means that either they have no understanding of nuance or they are dishonest in their arguments.

Or that they just want to be offended.

As a beard having flannel shirts wearing tree chopping many man, I'm the opposite of offended or outraged. All Gillette's doing is saying out loud what we men have been told since boyhood. And if don't be a dick offends, maybe they should be offended.
Title: Re: Gillete Ad Upsets Manosphere Crybabies
Post by: Chaos Undivided on January 18, 2019, 05:32:49 pm
You don't have to agree with the detractors, but I think it would be a good idea to at least try and understand where they're coming from rather than just dismissing them.
Title: Re: Gillete Ad Upsets Manosphere Crybabies
Post by: rookie on January 18, 2019, 06:30:18 pm
It's not that I don't get where they're coming from, please make no misunderstanding of that. And it's because I understand their gripes that I can dismiss them so easily.
Title: Re: Gillete Ad Upsets Manosphere Crybabies
Post by: Chaos Undivided on January 18, 2019, 06:57:55 pm
It's not that I don't get where they're coming from, please make no misunderstanding of that. And it's because I understand their gripes that I can dismiss them so easily.

It's less the "don't be an asshole" message and more the heavy implication that most men are either sexually harassing bullies or enablers of sexually harassing bullies. Here's a direct quote from the commercial:

Quote from: Gillette
We believe in the best in men. To say the right thing. To act the right way. Some already are in ways big and small. But some is not enough.

Emphasis mine. Askold was correct that it doesn't portray all men in such a negative light. But that doesn't really make it better. Remember this?

Quote from: Lord Dampnut
When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best. ... They're sending people that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.

When you depict a majority of a demographic as being "wrong" in some way, you are going to ruffle some feathers, even if you add the qualifier that some aren't.

It's both fascinating and frustrating how it's so difficult for many people to understand how changing a social context can change the implications of a message. I guess it gives a comforting feeling of being more intelligent when you reduce a complex reality into simplified logical abstractions. Trying to pierce this illusion by bringing the complexities of communication and social contexts can be dismissed as being hypocritical and/or insufficiently intellectual.

This reduction can also be used to consciously dismiss any inconvenient context in order to play semantic games where the purpose is to just own the opponent. This type of game can often be an efficient trolling tactic.

I'm guessing from the context that you're talking about my hypothetical "black" version of this ad. Well, I see where you're coming from, and it's not a 1:1 comparison. But these comparisons aren't necessarily bad. There are times when drawing such comparisons is justified, even if you don't believe in moral universalism like I do. In America, men generally receive longer sentences than women for the same crimes, similar to how things are for black people as compared to white people. Wouldn't you say both are evidence of systemic bias?
Title: Re: Gillete Ad Upsets Manosphere Crybabies
Post by: RavynousHunter on January 19, 2019, 01:28:19 am
They're right.  Half measures are worthless.  Either do something when you're able or fuck off.
Title: Re: Gillete Ad Upsets Manosphere Crybabies
Post by: Skybison on January 19, 2019, 01:29:09 am
Can you define what you mean by moral universalism, because I don't see what that has to do with the shaving commercial.

Toxic masculinity is a thing.  Saying that cultural attitudes exist that say a man must violently dominate others and do other things that are harmful to himself or others to prove himself a real man and that these attitudes cause lots of problems in our society is well supported by modern psychology, sociology and criminology.  The idea that Mexicans are a bunch of rapists is not.  So this is a false comparison.
Title: Re: Gillete Ad Upsets Manosphere Crybabies
Post by: rookie on January 19, 2019, 10:11:24 am
Chaos, I didn't get the same message you did I guess. However, if you'd like to be offended, may I offer an idea? How about being upset that such a commercial had to be made. That direct quote from the commercial you put up and emphasized was absolutely correct, you know. Some is not enough. Many, even most is not enough. And it really is up to the some, many, most to bring us all up.

Maybe it's generational though? So I'm staring 40 in the face. And I was brought up on what a man is supposed to be and do. From movies, male relatives and family friends, books, all laid out an eerily similar blueprint for being a man. Doing the right thing always featured heavily. Be it a WWII or Vietnam vet, cowboy on screen, or gentle mild mannered man working his ass off to provide for his family, do the right thing always. That's how Xers were brought up. And somewhere we lost that.

Gillette was absolutely right. It is up to Real Men(tm) to curtail the behavior of those calling themselves men without doing Man Responsibilities. Why? Well when Frat Douche drugs her drink, grabs her ass, picks fights, bails on his kids, whatever, he isn't dragging down women. Not to mention stopping such behavior, or trying to, is the right thing to do.
Title: Re: Gillete Ad Upsets Manosphere Crybabies
Post by: SCarpelan on January 19, 2019, 01:23:00 pm
I'm guessing from the context that you're talking about my hypothetical "black" version of this ad. Well, I see where you're coming from, and it's not a 1:1 comparison. But these comparisons aren't necessarily bad. There are times when drawing such comparisons is justified, even if you don't believe in moral universalism like I do. In America, men generally receive longer sentences than women for the same crimes, similar to how things are for black people as compared to white people. Wouldn't you say both are evidence of systemic bias?

I was musing based on your post but I was not answering to you. Arguing with your type about this is just a waste of energy. If this insults you you can blame a certain previous member of this forum: I simply don't have any fucks left to give when it comes to debating with pigheaded "centrists" about anything related to social justice.
Title: Re: Gillete Ad Upsets Manosphere Crybabies
Post by: Chaos Undivided on January 19, 2019, 01:36:46 pm
Can you define what you mean by moral universalism, because I don't see what that has to do with the shaving commercial.

Toxic masculinity is a thing.  Saying that cultural attitudes exist that say a man must violently dominate others and do other things that are harmful to himself or others to prove himself a real man and that these attitudes cause lots of problems in our society is well supported by modern psychology, sociology and criminology.  The idea that Mexicans are a bunch of rapists is not.  So this is a false comparison.

Moral universality (also known as moral universalism and moral objectivism) is basically the idea of one standard for everybody, regardless of culture, race, creed, etc. I brought it up in response to SCarplean claiming that changing a social context can change a message's implications.

But back on topic. I'm not entirely sure you understand where I'm coming from. What I'm saying is that people are objecting to the heavy implication that only "some" men are saying the right things and acting the right way.

Chaos, I didn't get the same message you did I guess. However, if you'd like to be offended, may I offer an idea? How about being upset that such a commercial had to be made. That direct quote from the commercial you put up and emphasized was absolutely correct, you know. Some is not enough. Many, even most is not enough. And it really is up to the some, many, most to bring us all up.

Maybe it's generational though? So I'm staring 40 in the face. And I was brought up on what a man is supposed to be and do. From movies, male relatives and family friends, books, all laid out an eerily similar blueprint for being a man. Doing the right thing always featured heavily. Be it a WWII or Vietnam vet, cowboy on screen, or gentle mild mannered man working his ass off to provide for his family, do the right thing always. That's how Xers were brought up. And somewhere we lost that.

Gillette was absolutely right. It is up to Real Men(tm) to curtail the behavior of those calling themselves men without doing Man Responsibilities. Why? Well when Frat Douche drugs her drink, grabs her ass, picks fights, bails on his kids, whatever, he isn't dragging down women. Not to mention stopping such behavior, or trying to, is the right thing to do.

Did this really "have" to be made? Most men don't do the kind of things shown in the commercial, and those who do probably won't stop just because a shaving company wagged its metaphorical finger at them. While encouraging men to stop this kind of thing isn't inherently a bad thing, it's probably not going to help much. This is because men - and indeed, people - generally don't approve of bullying or sexual harassment, which is why it usually happens behind closed doors, not in broad daylight as the commercial claims.

Like I said, I'm not asking you to be offended. What do I care how you think about a commercial? I'm just asking you to not simply brush off the people who are.

I'm guessing from the context that you're talking about my hypothetical "black" version of this ad. Well, I see where you're coming from, and it's not a 1:1 comparison. But these comparisons aren't necessarily bad. There are times when drawing such comparisons is justified, even if you don't believe in moral universalism like I do. In America, men generally receive longer sentences than women for the same crimes, similar to how things are for black people as compared to white people. Wouldn't you say both are evidence of systemic bias?

I was musing based on your post but I was not answering to you. Arguing with your type about this is just a waste of energy. If this insults you you can blame a certain previous member of this forum: I simply don't have any fucks left to give when it comes to debating with pigheaded "centrists" about anything related to social justice.

Wow, judgmental much?
Title: Re: Gillete Ad Upsets Manosphere Crybabies
Post by: SCarpelan on January 19, 2019, 01:53:08 pm
Somebody is feeling a bit butthurt?
Title: Re: Gillete Ad Upsets Manosphere Crybabies
Post by: rookie on January 19, 2019, 03:50:55 pm
Ok, let's clear something up real quick. Gillette isn't trying to change the world. They're trying to sell grossly overpriced shaving products. Company, profits, fuck all else. Same page? Good. Now we can move on to what the hell were they trying to do with this marketing campaign.
That add wasn't for the dude beating his wife. It wasn't for the sleazy guy at the end of the bar hitting on every woman walking to the restroom. It was for "most men" who are doing the right thing. It was saying call out the people not going the right thing. Hell, maybe even stop them.

Tell me, do you also get mad at adds telling you to not drink and drive? Or to get help if you have an addiction? How about those weight loss guys? Are they telling you you're fat?
Title: Re: Gillete Ad Upsets Manosphere Crybabies
Post by: RavynousHunter on January 19, 2019, 04:35:59 pm
That's for people that actually get offended by being called a fat, slovenly loser.  Folks need to learn from yours truly and just accept that they're complete pieces of shit.
Title: Re: Gillete Ad Upsets Manosphere Crybabies
Post by: Chaos Undivided on January 19, 2019, 10:31:43 pm
Ok, let's clear something up real quick. Gillette isn't trying to change the world. They're trying to sell grossly overpriced shaving products. Company, profits, fuck all else. Same page? Good. Now we can move on to what the hell were they trying to do with this marketing campaign.
That add wasn't for the dude beating his wife. It wasn't for the sleazy guy at the end of the bar hitting on every woman walking to the restroom. It was for "most men" who are doing the right thing. It was saying call out the people not going the right thing. Hell, maybe even stop them.

Tell me, do you also get mad at adds telling you to not drink and drive? Or to get help if you have an addiction? How about those weight loss guys? Are they telling you you're fat?

We seem to be having a failure to communicate. My problem isn't with the message itself. Essentially, it boils down to "do the right thing", "set a good example", "be the best that you can be", etc. These are not inherently bad messages. Unfortunately, even a good message can be delivered poorly. And this ad delivers its message very, very badly.

I don't get offended by "don't drink and drive" PSAs because they don't say most men have problems with drunk driving. I don't get offended by "get help for your addiction" PSAs because they don't say most men are drug addicts. This ad says that only "some" men are saying the right things and acting the right way. Which means that most are not.

That's one of the main reasons it's rankling me. It's not that I think criticizing bullying and sexual harassment is somehow an attack on my gender. It's that they're saying only a minority of men are acting like decent people, with zero evidence to back it up.
Title: Re: Gillete Ad Upsets Manosphere Crybabies
Post by: RavynousHunter on January 20, 2019, 12:35:04 am
You're forgetting the useless bystanders.  Guess into what category most people fall?
Title: Re: Gillete Ad Upsets Manosphere Crybabies
Post by: Chaos Undivided on January 20, 2019, 01:12:35 am
You're forgetting the useless bystanders.  Guess into what category most people fall?

Except that, again, bullying and harassment generally happen away from prying eyes. How can somebody be a "useless bystander" if they don't even know what's going on? If my neighbors are giving classified information to the Russians without my knowledge, am I a "useless bystander" for not confronting them about it?
Title: Re: Gillete Ad Upsets Manosphere Crybabies
Post by: rookie on January 20, 2019, 09:55:46 am
Ok. Mea culpa. I get where you're coming from. And i disagree. Both that the message said most men are assholes and that the majority of dickish behavior is hidden away behind closed doors. True the behavior itself might be. But the telltale signs are usually out for all who care to see.
I think we may be experiencing one of the beauties in life called perspective. You and I just see it differently. And that's fine. I'm certainly willing to let it go at that.
Title: Re: Gillete Ad Upsets Manosphere Crybabies
Post by: Chaos Undivided on January 20, 2019, 03:45:12 pm
Ok. Mea culpa. I get where you're coming from. And i disagree. Both that the message said most men are assholes and that the majority of dickish behavior is hidden away behind closed doors. True the behavior itself might be. But the telltale signs are usually out for all who care to see.
I think we may be experiencing one of the beauties in life called perspective. You and I just see it differently. And that's fine. I'm certainly willing to let it go at that.

Likewise. Glad we could come to an understanding.
Title: Re: Gillete Ad Upsets Manosphere Crybabies
Post by: Askold on January 20, 2019, 03:54:47 pm
I'm not sure if you are blind or not but a whole lot of bullying and harassment happens right out in the open. And people ignoring it or not having the courage to try to stop it is an issue.
Title: Re: Gillete Ad Upsets Manosphere Crybabies
Post by: KingOfRhye on January 20, 2019, 04:13:42 pm
I made the mistake of looking the ad up on YouTube and reading the comments....
Title: Re: Gillete Ad Upsets Manosphere Crybabies
Post by: RavynousHunter on January 20, 2019, 06:58:10 pm
Don't leave us in suspense, man!
Title: Re: Gillete Ad Upsets Manosphere Crybabies
Post by: niam2023 on January 20, 2019, 08:22:56 pm
Let me guess;

Most of the comments involved manosphere guys imitating chickens.

Cuck cuck cuck cuck cuck cuckodoodledoo!
Title: Re: Gillete Ad Upsets Manosphere Crybabies
Post by: Chaos Undivided on January 20, 2019, 10:24:27 pm
I'm not sure if you are blind or not but a whole lot of bullying and harassment happens right out in the open. And people ignoring it or not having the courage to try to stop it is an issue.

OK, even if that's true, it still fails to address a few things. Probably the most important is whether that's due to problems with males or just a case of the bystander effect (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bystander_effect) in action.

I made the mistake of looking the ad up on YouTube and reading the comments....

Yeah, it seems like 90% of YouTube comments are garbage.

Let me guess;

Most of the comments involved manosphere guys imitating chickens.

Cuck cuck cuck cuck cuck cuckodoodledoo!

To paraphrase Orwell, the word "cuck" now has no meaning except insofar as it signifies "something undesirable".
Title: Re: Gillete Ad Upsets Manosphere Crybabies
Post by: Askold on January 21, 2019, 02:36:22 am
Anyone using the word "cuck" as an insult is usually someone you can safely ignore on the net.
Title: Re: Gillete Ad Upsets Manosphere Crybabies
Post by: Kanzenkankaku on January 21, 2019, 10:50:58 am
They have a weird fascination with the concept of cuckoldry. If everything is a cuck, then you probably have watched way too much cuck porn.
Title: Re: Gillete Ad Upsets Manosphere Crybabies
Post by: RavynousHunter on January 21, 2019, 11:18:08 am
...Is there reverse cuckoldry porn?  I've never really looked, but the concept is an interesting one.
Title: Re: Gillete Ad Upsets Manosphere Crybabies
Post by: rookie on January 21, 2019, 11:23:02 am
...Is there reverse cuckoldry porn?  I've never really looked, but the concept is an interesting one.

Do you mean monogamy porn? Or where the woman is cuckold?
Title: Re: Gillete Ad Upsets Manosphere Crybabies
Post by: Art Vandelay on January 21, 2019, 11:25:24 am
...Is there reverse cuckoldry porn?  I've never really looked, but the concept is an interesting one.

Do you mean monogamy porn? Or where the woman is cuckold?

Either way, the answer is yes.
Title: Re: Gillete Ad Upsets Manosphere Crybabies
Post by: rookie on January 21, 2019, 11:26:36 am
I was waiting to hear back and see which link to pm.
Title: Re: Gillete Ad Upsets Manosphere Crybabies
Post by: Art Vandelay on January 21, 2019, 11:27:52 am
Well then, don't mind me.
Title: Re: Gillete Ad Upsets Manosphere Crybabies
Post by: RavynousHunter on January 21, 2019, 01:05:12 pm
...Is there reverse cuckoldry porn?  I've never really looked, but the concept is an interesting one.

Do you mean monogamy porn? Or where the woman is cuckold?

The latter.  Don't really need links, twas more academic than a request.
Title: Re: Gillete Ad Upsets Manosphere Crybabies
Post by: Chaos Undivided on January 21, 2019, 01:18:53 pm
...Is there reverse cuckoldry porn?  I've never really looked, but the concept is an interesting one.

Do you mean monogamy porn? Or where the woman is cuckold?

The latter.  Don't really need links, twas more academic than a request.

Yeah. There's actually a word for a female cuckold: cuckquean.
Title: Re: Gillete Ad Upsets Manosphere Crybabies
Post by: SCarpelan on January 21, 2019, 01:26:13 pm
Peter and Ashleigh Coffin present constructive criticism of the discussion around the ad campaign in their Adversaries video series (https://youtu.be/1-_RnYoqtVk). Something everyone might want to remember is:

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And it's important to note that that's specifically what the company wants out of you. They want you to take a side on this issue and they want you to either attack them or defend them over toxic masculinity. So, whatever you think about this issue, try to keep it separate from Gillette. Like, that's your best approach with that.

In other words keep your eyes on the issue instead of the messenger. What you think about Gillette [edit: and this particular ad] should be just a side note since they are nobody's ally, they just want your attention.
Title: Re: Gillete Ad Upsets Manosphere Crybabies
Post by: RavynousHunter on January 21, 2019, 04:07:24 pm
...Is there reverse cuckoldry porn?  I've never really looked, but the concept is an interesting one.

Do you mean monogamy porn? Or where the woman is cuckold?

The latter.  Don't really need links, twas more academic than a request.

Yeah. There's actually a word for a female cuckold: cuckquean.

That word just looks nasty, for some reason.  Prolly because it shares a long series of letters with the word "queasy."
Title: Re: Gillete Ad Upsets Manosphere Crybabies
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on January 24, 2019, 03:31:07 am
I came late to the party and missed another "apologia for reactionaries" shitfight? Shit!

Yeah, the ad isn't offensive to all men and saying some men are doing the right thing pretty much underscores that.

Good advertising strategy though, offend the dolt right and suddenly everybody is raving about the shit you're hocking to the general public because the dolts go and do your advertising for you gratis. Worked for Nike too.
Title: Re: Gillete Ad Upsets Manosphere Crybabies
Post by: Askold on January 24, 2019, 03:43:17 am
Those of us who are old may remember United Colours of Benetton making similar ads: https://www.vogue.co.uk/gallery/benettons-best-advertising-campaigns
Title: Re: Gillete Ad Upsets Manosphere Crybabies
Post by: Chaos Undivided on January 24, 2019, 09:38:28 pm
I came late to the party and missed another "apologia for reactionaries" shitfight? Shit!

Yeah, the ad isn't offensive to all men and saying some men are doing the right thing pretty much underscores that.

Good advertising strategy though, offend the dolt right and suddenly everybody is raving about the shit you're hocking to the general public because the dolts go and do your advertising for you gratis. Worked for Nike too.

Mmm... not necessarily. Charles R. Taylor, a man with some very impressive advertising credentials, says this campaign was probably a mistake (https://www.forbes.com/sites/charlesrtaylor/2019/01/15/why-gillettes-new-ad-campaign-is-toxic/#4cd8ce1b5bc9). Sometimes, there is such a thing as bad publicity.
Title: Re: Gillete Ad Upsets Manosphere Crybabies
Post by: Kanzenkankaku on January 25, 2019, 02:06:19 am
He has a right to his opinion. Experts have different opinions. We'll see if he's wrong or not eventually. But my guess is most people probably won't care enough to boycott or impact Gillette negatively.
Title: Re: Gillete Ad Upsets Manosphere Crybabies
Post by: Askold on January 25, 2019, 04:26:37 am
How can this be bad publicity? What in the ad was it that can be seen as a bad thing?
Title: Re: Gillete Ad Upsets Manosphere Crybabies
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on January 25, 2019, 07:02:01 am
How can this be bad publicity? What in the ad was it that can be seen as a bad thing?

These guys saw the ad as a bad thing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6VZlAKAfuAClearly the customers Charles Taylor thinks Gillette will "unnecessarily alienate" and where would a razor company be without angry alt right dudes with neckbeards?
Title: Re: Gillete Ad Upsets Manosphere Crybabies
Post by: Art Vandelay on January 25, 2019, 08:24:08 am
I could see this being bad publicity in that people realise it's a corporation trying to use a serious issue to flog overpriced razors. Though that's probably just wishful thinking on my part.
Title: Re: Gillete Ad Upsets Manosphere Crybabies
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on January 25, 2019, 04:15:51 pm
I could see this being bad publicity in that people realise it's a corporation trying to use a serious issue to flog overpriced razors. Though that's probably just wishful thinking on my part.
They are seriously trying to flog overpriced razors, what are ya? A toxically masculine...commie or sumtin'?

Pardon me but watching dolt-right granpas screech about union busting, money hoarding, politician buying, environment-fucking multinational corporations like Nike, Benetton and Gillette being "cultural Marxists" sends my sides into orbit!
Title: Re: Gillete Ad Upsets Manosphere Crybabies
Post by: RavynousHunter on January 25, 2019, 04:42:38 pm
They aren't bad, but the refills could stand to be cheaper.  I used to have a better kind, but a certain someone to whom I'm engaged accidentally knocked it out of the shower caddy and broke it and I haven't been able to find a replacement.
Title: Re: Gillete Ad Upsets Manosphere Crybabies
Post by: Chaos Undivided on January 25, 2019, 10:01:10 pm
These guys saw the ad as a bad thing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6VZlAKAfuAClearly the customers Charles Taylor thinks Gillette will "unnecessarily alienate" and where would a razor company be without angry alt right dudes with neckbeards?

You're falling into the "everything I don't like is alt-right" trap. Earlier, I'd talked about how the term "cuck" is being stripped of all its meaning. Well, the same thing is happening to "alt-right". There are perfectly valid reasons to criticize Sargon, but he's not alt-right. The alt-right hates him (they call him "witty" nicknames like "Sargon of Mossad") and the feeling is mutual. It's easy to dismiss people you disagree with by lumping them in with some box of undesirables, but it's also profoundly lazy and dishonest. And more important, it doesn't refute them. I could call you an SJW NPC until the day I died, but what would that accomplish?

I'm not saying these things just because I disagree with you. I disagreed with Rookie, too, but he was able to explain and defend his stance in a reasoned way. So why don't you drop the ad hominem and explain why you think they're wrong?
Title: Re: Gillete Ad Upsets Manosphere Crybabies
Post by: Skybison on January 26, 2019, 01:36:27 am
I disagree that Sargon isn't an alt-righter, or at least I disagree that he shouldn't be classified with them.  We draw hard lines between different categories of things for convince sake but when you really examine them where exact lines go is subjective and partly arbitrary.  Sure a dinosaur and a modern bird seem very different, but there is no hard line with a dinosaur on one side and a bird on the other, just gradual changes in degree that add up the farther you go.  The same is true of political ideologies.  There is no hard line between Alt Right and not Alt Right, just shifting along a spectrum. 

The Alt-Right I would say is a movement driven by young white men of the digital generations who are furiously angry that white men are losing power in society and furiously opposes what they see as the sources of their declining power such as feminism, immigration, political correctness and liberalism, while placing less focus or even opposing other aspects of traditional conservatism like religion, small government or hawkish foreign policy.  Not every member of the Alt-Right share all the characteristics or go equally as far, but that is the general nature of the movement.  And yeah Sargon the YouTuber who spends his time whining about feminism ruining video games and whatnot falls under that.  Or at least is to the Alt-Right what Archaeopteryx is to a bird.  Sure you can place the arbitrary dividing line with him outside the alt-right since he still has teeth in his jaws and a boney tail, but that's still the trajectory he's aiming people and he has more in common with them then anyone else.
Title: Re: Gillete Ad Upsets Manosphere Crybabies
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on January 26, 2019, 04:34:23 am
You're falling into the "everything I don't like is alt-right" trap. Earlier, I'd talked about how the term "cuck" is being stripped of all its meaning. Well, the same thing is happening to "alt-right". There are perfectly valid reasons to criticize Sargon, but he's not alt-right. The alt-right hates him (they call him "witty" nicknames like "Sargon of Mossad") and the feeling is mutual. It's easy to dismiss people you disagree with by lumping them in with some box of undesirables, but it's also profoundly lazy and dishonest. And more important, it doesn't refute them. I could call you an SJW NPC until the day I died, but what would that accomplish?

No you're conflating the term "alt right" with "Nazi" as opposed to the definition of the term: (in the US) an ideological grouping associated with extreme conservative or reactionary viewpoints, characterized by a rejection of mainstream politics and by the use of online media to disseminate deliberately controversial content. (https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/alt-right) Sargon is all of those to a T. He was part of the original Gamergate metastatic growth that infected the internet in 2014 and, like Phil Mason who can also be heard bellyaching in that video, got his page views largely on the basis of hysterical overreactions to feminist bloggers like Anita Sarkeesian. He doesn't identify as a traditional conservative or tory and he uses online media to disseminate his reactionary pap-that fits Oxford's definition of alt right more definitively than the Tiki Torch brigade!

I'm not saying these things just because I disagree with you. I disagreed with Rookie, too, but he was able to explain and defend his stance in a reasoned way. So why don't you drop the ad hominem and explain why you think they're wrong?

Ooh, "ad hominem" - a gin you wine internet mass debater. One who'd never use dastardly strawman fallacies like "everything I don't like is alt-right" which gives me the distinct impression that your facade of seriousness is just that, buddy we've seen it around here before. You be trollin' and in any case I want to call these hysterical, dolt right, pissbaby, snowflake wankers that and worse. No, I'm gonna ad hominem the shit out of these tools because they deserve it as do assorted faux centrists who'll rush to defend their indefensible bollocks. It's all they rate, goodnight.
Title: Re: Gillete Ad Upsets Manosphere Crybabies
Post by: RavynousHunter on January 26, 2019, 10:04:29 am
Trying to stick up for people seriously whinging about an ad trying to sell people small bits of plastic and steel is...actually, that's kinda funny.  Kinda like defending a bunch of wankers bellyachin that a dildo is too large to shove up their ass.  Its fuckin hilarious.
Title: Re: Gillete Ad Upsets Manosphere Crybabies
Post by: Chaos Undivided on January 26, 2019, 11:27:46 am
I disagree that Sargon isn't an alt-righter, or at least I disagree that he shouldn't be classified with them.  We draw hard lines between different categories of things for convince sake but when you really examine them where exact lines go is subjective and partly arbitrary.  Sure a dinosaur and a modern bird seem very different, but there is no hard line with a dinosaur on one side and a bird on the other, just gradual changes in degree that add up the farther you go.  The same is true of political ideologies.  There is no hard line between Alt Right and not Alt Right, just shifting along a spectrum.

Maybe that's true, but that doesn't make it OK to use the term "alt-right" as a cudgel against anybody who disagrees with ideas one considers sacred cows.

The Alt-Right I would say is a movement driven by young white men of the digital generations who are furiously angry that white men are losing power in society and furiously opposes what they see as the sources of their declining power such as feminism, immigration, political correctness and liberalism, while placing less focus or even opposing other aspects of traditional conservatism like religion, small government or hawkish foreign policy.  Not every member of the Alt-Right share all the characteristics or go equally as far, but that is the general nature of the movement.  And yeah Sargon the YouTuber who spends his time whining about feminism ruining video games and whatnot falls under that.  Or at least is to the Alt-Right what Archaeopteryx is to a bird.  Sure you can place the arbitrary dividing line with him outside the alt-right since he still has teeth in his jaws and a boney tail, but that's still the trajectory he's aiming people and he has more in common with them then anyone else.

Aaaand here's the problem. You're defining the alt-right by what they're against, not what they support. This is a very dangerous line of thought, because it leads to people like Ben Shapiro being classified with the alt-right, even though he's a. a practicing Jew and b. in a very antagonistic relationship with the alt-right.

You don't have to be alt-right to disagree with feminism, immigration, political correctness, or other ideas certain people on the left consider to be sacrosanct. Sargon is a self-described classical liberal, not some follower of Richard Spencer. Not liking these things does not make him alt-right, any more than my not liking increasing income inequality makes me a communist. How is this any different from the actual alt-right saying any right-winger who disagrees with their pet causes is a "cuckservative"?

You're falling into the "everything I don't like is alt-right" trap. Earlier, I'd talked about how the term "cuck" is being stripped of all its meaning. Well, the same thing is happening to "alt-right". There are perfectly valid reasons to criticize Sargon, but he's not alt-right. The alt-right hates him (they call him "witty" nicknames like "Sargon of Mossad") and the feeling is mutual. It's easy to dismiss people you disagree with by lumping them in with some box of undesirables, but it's also profoundly lazy and dishonest. And more important, it doesn't refute them. I could call you an SJW NPC until the day I died, but what would that accomplish?

No you're conflating the term "alt right" with "Nazi" as opposed to the definition of the term: (in the US) an ideological grouping associated with extreme conservative or reactionary viewpoints, characterized by a rejection of mainstream politics and by the use of online media to disseminate deliberately controversial content. (https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/alt-right) Sargon is all of those to a T. He was part of the original Gamergate metastatic growth that infected the internet in 2014 and, like Phil Mason who can also be heard bellyaching in that video, got his page views largely on the basis of hysterical overreactions to feminist bloggers like Anita Sarkeesian. He doesn't identify as a traditional conservative or tory and he uses online media to disseminate his reactionary pap-that fits Oxford's definition of alt right more definitively than the Tiki Torch brigade!

So, he's alt-right because... he dislikes feminism, he doesn't identify with mainstream right-wingers, and he distributes his views online? By that "logic", George Carlin was alt-right!

I'm not saying these things just because I disagree with you. I disagreed with Rookie, too, but he was able to explain and defend his stance in a reasoned way. So why don't you drop the ad hominem and explain why you think they're wrong?

Ooh, "ad hominem" - a gin you wine internet mass debater. One who'd never use dastardly strawman fallacies like "everything I don't like is alt-right" which gives me the distinct impression that your facade of seriousness is just that, buddy we've seen it around here before. You be trollin' and in any case I want to call these hysterical, dolt right, pissbaby, snowflake wankers that and worse. No, I'm gonna ad hominem the shit out of these tools because they deserve it as do assorted faux centrists who'll rush to defend their indefensible bollocks. It's all they rate, goodnight.

Defending your use of ad hominem... with more ad hominem.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Ru8DMW-grY
Title: Re: Gillete Ad Upsets Manosphere Crybabies
Post by: Skybison on January 26, 2019, 03:45:10 pm
Oh no not Ben Shapiro!  I don't want to hurt the feelings of the transphobic conspiracy theorist who called for ethnic cleansing of Palestinians! 

Yes there are differences between different points on the Alt-Right spectrum, but to deny there is any connection between the likes of Sargon and Spencer is disingenuous.  Straight from the horse's mouth "I’ve said, over and over, that Milo, Sargon, Lauren Souther, and Gavin types people can be great entry points" —Richard Spencer.
Title: Re: Gillete Ad Upsets Manosphere Crybabies
Post by: Chaos Undivided on January 26, 2019, 04:56:15 pm
Yes there are differences between different points on the Alt-Right spectrum, but to deny there is any connection between the likes of Sargon and Spencer is disingenuous.  Straight from the horse's mouth "I’ve said, over and over, that Milo, Sargon, Lauren Souther, and Gavin types people can be great entry points" —Richard Spencer.

Why should I trust that dipshit's views on politics? Even if he sincerely believes what he said, why should we consider that statement to be accurate?

More pertinent to this discussion, however, is this: what views does Sargon hold that would justify labeling him part of the "alt-right spectrum"?
Title: Re: Gillete Ad Upsets Manosphere Crybabies
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on January 26, 2019, 05:14:55 pm
So, he's alt-right because... he dislikes feminism, he doesn't identify with mainstream right-wingers, and he distributes his views online? By that "logic", George Carlin was alt-right!

Sure buddy, this stuff is the same as whiny pissants like Sargon.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJr5iUhORvc Also note that's arguably a harsher takedown of stupid masculinity than the Gillette ad.

The difference, and I'm not surprised you utterly missed it is that George was that rare breed who could actually pull off being unfair to everyone whereas Sargon and the rest of the dolt right clowns in that video I showed you don't make money off being unfair to everyone, they make money off reacting bitterly to their grievance of feminism being "unfair" to them. They're reactionaries first and foremost.

Sargon the "rationalist" blamed a nonexistent heart attack for Heather Heyer death in Charlottesville and lamented that the alt right were being blamed using that word to describe them before desperately pulling out some both sides whataboutism when called on his bullshit.  (https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Sargon_of_Akkad#Heather_Heyer_heart_attack_at_Charlottesvile) Sargon sided with the Incels on Elliot Rodger's murder tantrum and said women were partly to blame for not putting out and called the claimants of #MeToo "gold digging whores" (https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Sargon_of_Akkad#Anti-feminism). Sargon, distinctly different from Carlin won't criticise conservatives yet wants us to believe this little spiv is a "socialist in some ways."  (https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Sargon_of_Akkad#.22Why_Don.27t_I_Criticize_the_Right.22) Oh yeah, the puke also wanted to censor universities which I couldn't see Carlin calling for if he'd lived to be a million.

That's why he's alt right he's not occasionally reactionary but otherwise ok, his entire shtick is being reactionary and attacking the enemies of the right. His public spats with others in the alt right screechasphere aren't convincing anybody. Christians, atheists and yeah, Nazis also have public spats with members of their in-group. Doesn't change what they are.
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Title: Re: Gillete Ad Upsets Manosphere Crybabies
Post by: Chaos Undivided on January 26, 2019, 05:59:28 pm
Criticizing feminism does not a reactionary make. And stop pretending there are no valid reasons to criticize it. Erin Pizzey (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erin_Pizzey) has received so many death threats from feminists that she needs a fucking bomb squad to process her mail before she can receive it. That's something you'd expect to hear about Salman Rushdie or a mobster who turned state's evidence, not somebody who said that women can be domestic abusers too.

Yes, Sargon has said a number of stupid and/or bad things. But if that makes him alt-right, then the term has zero meaning. Why don't you tell us why you approve of the ad, instead of making ad hominems against its critics?
Title: Re: Gillete Ad Upsets Manosphere Crybabies
Post by: Kanzenkankaku on January 26, 2019, 05:59:44 pm
Yes there are differences between different points on the Alt-Right spectrum, but to deny there is any connection between the likes of Sargon and Spencer is disingenuous.  Straight from the horse's mouth "I’ve said, over and over, that Milo, Sargon, Lauren Souther, and Gavin types people can be great entry points" —Richard Spencer.

Why should I trust that dipshit's views on politics? Even if he sincerely believes what he said, why should we consider that statement to be accurate?

More pertinent to this discussion, however, is this: what views does Sargon hold that would justify labeling him part of the "alt-right spectrum"?

I agree Dicky is a dipshit but didn't you just get done being mad that someone ad hominim'd Sargon, who is also quite frankly, a dipshit?
Title: Re: Gillete Ad Upsets Manosphere Crybabies
Post by: Skybison on January 26, 2019, 06:13:36 pm
Criticizing feminism does not a reactionary make.

Why Not?

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And stop pretending there are no valid reasons to criticize it.

Such as?

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Erin Pizzey (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erin_Pizzey) has received so many death threats from feminists that she needs a fucking bomb squad to process her mail before she can receive it. That's something you'd expect to hear about Salman Rushdie or a mobster who turned state's evidence, not somebody who said that women can be domestic abusers too.

Okay that is indeed unacceptable.  Although it seems odd to so strongly opposes that here while defending Sargon, a man who was a major leader of a similar campaign of personal threats and harassment against many women.

Why should I trust that dipshit's views on politics? Even if he sincerely believes what he said, why should we consider that statement to be accurate?

Because he's a poor leader if he doesn't understand his audience.  Alt-Righters have personally told Sargon he led them to nazism.

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More pertinent to this discussion, however, is this: what views does Sargon hold that would justify labeling him part of the "alt-right spectrum"?

Too already covered this.
Title: Re: Gillete Ad Upsets Manosphere Crybabies
Post by: Chaos Undivided on January 26, 2019, 06:31:25 pm
Yes there are differences between different points on the Alt-Right spectrum, but to deny there is any connection between the likes of Sargon and Spencer is disingenuous.  Straight from the horse's mouth "I’ve said, over and over, that Milo, Sargon, Lauren Souther, and Gavin types people can be great entry points" —Richard Spencer.

Why should I trust that dipshit's views on politics? Even if he sincerely believes what he said, why should we consider that statement to be accurate?

More pertinent to this discussion, however, is this: what views does Sargon hold that would justify labeling him part of the "alt-right spectrum"?

I agree Dicky is a dipshit but didn't you just get done being mad that someone ad hominim'd Sargon, who is also quite frankly, a dipshit?

OK, first of all, I was more disappointed than angry. And second, there's a difference between "he's alt-right, therefore he's a dipshit" and "he's a dipshit, therefore he's alt-right". I used the word to emphasize the fact that Spencer's political views are severely warped, and therefore his claims about politics should not be taken at face value. Martyr, on the other hand, accused Sargon of being alt-right as an excuse to completely discard his opinion. One is saying "given your track record, I'm going to need some concrete evidence to believe you", and the other is saying "you're a big meanie and therefore you're wrong."

Okay that is indeed unacceptable.  Although it seems odd to so strongly opposes that here while defending Sargon, a man who was a major leader of a similar campaign of personal threats and harassment against many women.

That's not what the FBI says (https://archive.org/details/13397040FILE1/page/n1).

Because he's a poor leader if he doesn't understand his audience.  Alt-Righters have personally told Sargon he led them to nazism.

OK, assuming that's true, did he approve of their turn to Nazism?
Title: Re: Gillete Ad Upsets Manosphere Crybabies
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on January 26, 2019, 07:00:41 pm
Criticizing feminism does not a reactionary make. And stop pretending there are no valid reasons to criticize it. Erin Pizzey (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erin_Pizzey) has received so many death threats from feminists that she needs a fucking bomb squad to process her mail before she can receive it. That's something you'd expect to hear about Salman Rushdie or a mobster who turned state's evidence, not somebody who said that women can be domestic abusers too.


So your critique of "the advocacy of women's rights on the ground of the equality of the sexes" is that someone threatened someone else while advocating for women's rights on the grounds of equality of the sexes? C'mon, a lover of all those easily googled logical fallacies shouldn't stoop to something as simple as Poisoning the Well. You're talking about the actions of an individual not the ideology of feminism per se, learn to difference.

And before you jump in and start saying that's what I say about right wing ideologies, it isn't. My problem with the alt right, Nazis and Fascists is their ideology first and foremost before their actions. These guys are defined by who they don't like and it's this reaction that leads inexorably to violence. Feminists are defined by what they want to improve to make their own lives better so even if an individual feminist acts unacceptably her ideology isn't problematic in the same way the Klan, alt right or Nazis are because it's not defined by who she hates but rather by her aspirations for a better life.

Yes, Sargon has said a number of stupid and/or bad things. But if that makes him alt-right, then the term has zero meaning. Why don't you tell us why you approve of the ad, instead of making ad hominems against its critics?

Sargon has been saying specifically stupid and bad things against specifically left wing and most specifically feminist targets while outright saying he won't critique the right. That makes him alt right, he was alt right first and foremost and remains alt right. His targets are now, and always have been progressives and the left. This isn't George Carlin, it's someone who has historically defined himself by opposition to progressives and continues to do so. That's what the alt right is.

THIS is ad hominem-"Sargon" er, Carl Benjamin (FFS) is a pretentious little toe rag and so are the bitches that whine for him. See? I'll give you a heads up when I ad hominem your whiny little choad.

And I don't "approve" of the ad so much as I think it's inofessively anodyne. "Corporate Responsibility" always is, "we're the good guys, buy our shit" - sure, ok - pay your workers and let them unionize? *frosty silence* I mean the message wasn't bad, it had good stuff. Telling men to not be dicks and stand up and speak out when others are, this isn't radical, or new and it's as basic as telling people to look both ways at a crossing. I just think hysterical, bed wetting, screechy squawky, whiny, entitled, petulant, tantrum throwing meninist drama lamas are funny because they take themselves so very seriously and it's impossible for anyone else to that's not them.
Title: Re: Gillete Ad Upsets Manosphere Crybabies
Post by: Kanzenkankaku on January 26, 2019, 07:12:37 pm
Yes there are differences between different points on the Alt-Right spectrum, but to deny there is any connection between the likes of Sargon and Spencer is disingenuous.  Straight from the horse's mouth "I’ve said, over and over, that Milo, Sargon, Lauren Souther, and Gavin types people can be great entry points" —Richard Spencer.

Why should I trust that dipshit's views on politics? Even if he sincerely believes what he said, why should we consider that statement to be accurate?

More pertinent to this discussion, however, is this: what views does Sargon hold that would justify labeling him part of the "alt-right spectrum"?

I agree Dicky is a dipshit but didn't you just get done being mad that someone ad hominim'd Sargon, who is also quite frankly, a dipshit?

OK, first of all, I was more disappointed than angry. And second, there's a difference between "he's alt-right, therefore he's a dipshit" and "he's a dipshit, therefore he's alt-right". I used the word to emphasize the fact that Spencer's political views are severely warped, and therefore his claims about politics should not be taken at face value. Martyr, on the other hand, accused Sargon of being alt-right as an excuse to completely discard his opinion. One is saying "given your track record, I'm going to need some concrete evidence to believe you", and the other is saying "you're a big meanie and therefore you're wrong."

Okay that is indeed unacceptable.  Although it seems odd to so strongly opposes that here while defending Sargon, a man who was a major leader of a similar campaign of personal threats and harassment against many women.

That's not what the FBI says (https://archive.org/details/13397040FILE1/page/n1).

Because he's a poor leader if he doesn't understand his audience.  Alt-Righters have personally told Sargon he led them to nazism.

OK, assuming that's true, did he approve of their turn to Nazism?

Fair point. I don't trust anything Dick-Spence says. And just calling someone alt right to dismiss them is wrong, but there's plenty of reason to dismiss Sargon. He thinks he's way smarter than he is, he runs everything he touches into the ground, he's a hypocrite, and his opinion on child molestation is literally, to quote his own words: "It depends on the child".

That's not even getting into "fucking feminist system" or any of the other reasons he's a walking vortex of stupid.
Title: Re: Gillete Ad Upsets Manosphere Crybabies
Post by: Chaos Undivided on January 26, 2019, 07:25:44 pm
 You know, Martyr, I think you actually touched upon another reason the ad chafes so much. Gillette's parent company, Procter and Gamble, profits off child labor (http://fortune.com/2016/11/30/indonesia-palm-oil-labor-amnesty/) and conspired with Unilever to fix prices (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-eu-cartel/unilever-pg-fined-315-million-euros-for-price-fixing-idUSTRE73C1XV20110413). This makes the ad come off as... well, hypocritical. People generally don't like being lectured by those guilty of far worse than them.
Title: Re: Gillete Ad Upsets Manosphere Crybabies
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on January 26, 2019, 07:32:45 pm
That's not what the FBI says (https://archive.org/details/13397040FILE1/page/n1).

Ah yes, the FBI "investigation" into Gamergate where lots of suspects were let off with warnings and the investigating agents mangled"Tor" with the Norse god of thunder. (https://www.theverge.com/2017/1/27/14412594/fbi-gamergate-harassment-threat-investigation-records-release)

Wonder if this had anything to do with the case having a low priority...

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Title: Re: Gillete Ad Upsets Manosphere Crybabies
Post by: Eiki-mun on January 26, 2019, 08:09:24 pm
Carl Benjamin doesn't identify as alt-right, and he doesn't like a lot of the things alt-righters do. This is true. However, he knowingly acts as a gateway drug to the alt-right, believes in giving the alt-right a greater platform than they already have, shares several common beliefs with the members of the alt-right, and prefers the alt-right to anyone leaning even slightly left of center. Carl Benjamin is not a member of the alt-right, but he sure is a fellow traveler of the alt-right, to use some paleoconservative terminology.

That said, that really has nothing to do with the reasons why I don't really take him as someone worth listening to, which mostly has to do with the fact that he's a pretentious douchebag who thinks he's smarter than he actually is, has this annoying voice that's just grating to hear, and actually thinks Kekistan is funny.
Title: Re: Gillete Ad Upsets Manosphere Crybabies
Post by: Chaos Undivided on January 26, 2019, 08:28:53 pm
That's not what the FBI says (https://archive.org/details/13397040FILE1/page/n1).

Ah yes, the FBI "investigation" into Gamergate where lots of suspects were let off with warnings and the investigating agents mangled"Tor" with the Norse god of thunder. (https://www.theverge.com/2017/1/27/14412594/fbi-gamergate-harassment-threat-investigation-records-release)

Wonder if this had anything to do with the case having a low priority...

(http://chetlexvold.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/Family-Guy-Mentally-Disturbed-Terrorist.jpg)

"Lots"? Even the article itself admits that only two people were known to have been let off with warnings. Have you read the investigation itself? I certainly trust its results over the unverified claims of a known liar (https://lolcow.wiki/wiki/List_of_Brianna_Wu%27s_Lies), even with the typos.

But can we please get back on topic?
Title: Re: Gillete Ad Upsets Manosphere Crybabies
Post by: niam2023 on January 26, 2019, 08:31:13 pm
The fact you cite a website that deems a survivor of multiple manosphere brutalities a "lolcow" says a lot about you.

I can kind of see some distinct alt-right sympathies.

Keep in mind, I have something of a record in sniffing out and exiling Nazis from these communities. One of them lurked on here for a long time and seemed impossible to remove, on account of his history and status as a moderator. I still got him evicted.
Title: Re: Gillete Ad Upsets Manosphere Crybabies
Post by: Chaos Undivided on January 26, 2019, 08:37:03 pm
The fact you cite a website that deems a survivor of multiple manosphere brutalities a "lolcow" says a lot about you.

I can kind of see some distinct alt-right sympathies.

Keep in mind, I have something of a record in sniffing out and exiling Nazis from these communities. One of them lurked on here for a long time and seemed impossible to remove, on account of his history and status as a moderator. I still got him evicted.

OK, one, who are you talking about? Two, even if what you say is true, that doesn't preclude them from being a lolcow. Three, this same website considers Marjan Šiklić a lolcow (https://lolcow.wiki/wiki/Marjan_%C5%A0ikli%C4%87) and derides him for being racist.
Title: Re: Gillete Ad Upsets Manosphere Crybabies
Post by: niam2023 on January 26, 2019, 08:47:49 pm
The person in question was one Soren / Hofstadter's Tortoise / Deimos, someone who repeatedly used "cuck" unironically, argued "they" (immigrant refugees) are incompatible with white natives, and also made several Islamophobic remarks akin to "you'll still be defending them when they're slitting throats in the streets!"

He's quite thoroughly gone now.

Just because she was harassed and gone after by the manosphere for...what, being a girl involved in gaming, does not make her a lolcow.
Title: Re: Gillete Ad Upsets Manosphere Crybabies
Post by: Kanzenkankaku on January 26, 2019, 09:02:59 pm
So a manosphere person made a "parody" of this ad.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mj8VpuLSkHY
Title: Re: Gillete Ad Upsets Manosphere Crybabies
Post by: Eiki-mun on January 26, 2019, 09:16:40 pm
So a manosphere person made a "parody" of this ad.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mj8VpuLSkHY

Good god, now this is pure cringe material.
Title: Re: Gillete Ad Upsets Manosphere Crybabies
Post by: Skybison on January 26, 2019, 09:20:09 pm
I certainly trust its results over the unverified claims of a known liar (https://lolcow.wiki/wiki/List_of_Brianna_Wu%27s_Lies), even with the typos.


Okay Undivided DIRECT QUESTION:

Do you think Brianna Wu is secretly a Transwoman?

Because that is literally the first "lie" on that list.  They claim she's a trans, was born as a man named John Flynt and is keeping this a secret for some reason.  Here is a picture they post of Flynt and Wu posted with the claim that they have virtually identical facial structure as proof:
(https://lolcow.wiki/wiki/images/thumb/b/bb/Not_adopted.png/150px-Not_adopted.png)

Another DIRECT QUESTION do you think these two pictures have virtually identical facial structure? 

If not why should I trust the rest of this website not to be similar levels of horseshit?
Title: Re: Gillete Ad Upsets Manosphere Crybabies
Post by: niam2023 on January 26, 2019, 09:27:39 pm
You know just for that and all that he's said and done so far, I think the TVTropes forum probably would've banned Undivided 10 times over by now.
Title: Re: Gillete Ad Upsets Manosphere Crybabies
Post by: Chaos Undivided on January 26, 2019, 09:38:08 pm
I certainly trust its results over the unverified claims of a known liar (https://lolcow.wiki/wiki/List_of_Brianna_Wu%27s_Lies), even with the typos.


Okay Undivided DIRECT QUESTION:

Do you think Brianna Wu is secretly a Transwoman?

Because that is literally the first "lie" on that list.  They claim she's a trans, was born as a man named John Flynt and is keeping this a secret for some reason.  Here is a picture they post of Flynt and Wu posted with the claim that they have virtually identical facial structure as proof:
(https://lolcow.wiki/wiki/images/thumb/b/bb/Not_adopted.png/150px-Not_adopted.png)

Another DIRECT QUESTION do you think these two pictures have virtually identical facial structure? 

If not why should I trust the rest of this website not to be similar levels of horseshit?

No, because that's not a picture of John Flynt. That's a picture of Joel Flynt, John's father.

Is this the picture you meant to post?

(https://lolcow.wiki/wiki/images/0/0b/Brianna_and_John.jpg)

If so, then yes.
Title: Re: Gillete Ad Upsets Manosphere Crybabies
Post by: Skybison on January 26, 2019, 09:43:18 pm
Okay, my bad.  But nonetheless, do you believe that Wu is a Transwoman?
Title: Re: Gillete Ad Upsets Manosphere Crybabies
Post by: niam2023 on January 26, 2019, 09:43:58 pm
He has said yes he does believe in this asinine, bigoted conspiracy theory.
Title: Re: Gillete Ad Upsets Manosphere Crybabies
Post by: Chaos Undivided on January 26, 2019, 10:19:25 pm
He has said yes he does believe in this asinine, bigoted conspiracy theory.

Well, according to this page (https://lolcow.wiki/wiki/Background_Check_Incident), voter registration records confirm that Brianna Wu used to answer to the name John Flynt. Though I'm not going to just take their word for it; I plan to check this myself, if possible.

AFAIK, all information that could be used to dox has been censored. Let me know if that's not the case, and I'll remove the link.

Now, can we please get back on topic?
Title: Re: Gillete Ad Upsets Manosphere Crybabies
Post by: Art Vandelay on January 26, 2019, 11:01:43 pm
Fuck it, I'm no longer merely suspicious, but rather outright convinced.

Hey Ultie, how's it going? Tenacious little fucker, aren't ya?
Title: Re: Gillete Ad Upsets Manosphere Crybabies
Post by: Chaos Undivided on January 26, 2019, 11:46:17 pm
Well, FWIW, P&G currently considers the ad a success, according to CNN Money (https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/23/business/gillette-ad-procter-and-gamble-stock/index.html). But I think it's too early to tell.
Title: Re: Gillete Ad Upsets Manosphere Crybabies
Post by: Skybison on January 27, 2019, 01:20:51 am
Now, can we please get back on topic?

No.  This is way more fucked up.  You seriously believe this?  You seriously think we should care?

Brianna Wu is not trans.  And if she was we wouldn't give a shit!  It's completely irrelevant, is not a bad thing and is a private matter that is none of my business.  If I believed this was true, which I don't, the fact that this is the first thing on this webshites list would discredit them completely and discredits you as well.  I will assume everything they say is a lie unless I get some evidence otherwise.
Title: Re: Gillete Ad Upsets Manosphere Crybabies
Post by: niam2023 on January 27, 2019, 01:40:37 am
Incoming "BUHBUHBUHBUH INTELLECTUAL DISHONESTY WAAAAH (sobbing waffley centrist noises)"
Title: Re: Gillete Ad Upsets Manosphere Crybabies
Post by: Askold on January 27, 2019, 02:12:41 am
Wait wait wait...

We've gone from "stop making ad hominems about people" to "she's lying about not being trans?"
Title: Re: Gillete Ad Upsets Manosphere Crybabies
Post by: Chaos Undivided on January 27, 2019, 02:24:39 am
Now, can we please get back on topic?

No.  This is way more fucked up.  You seriously believe this?  You seriously think we should care?

Brianna Wu is not trans.  And if she was we wouldn't give a shit!  It's completely irrelevant, is not a bad thing and is a private matter that is none of my business.  If I believed this was true, which I don't, the fact that this is the first thing on this webshites list would discredit them completely and discredits you as well.  I will assume everything they say is a lie.

Oh, for the love of...

Read the wiki. They don't view the possibility of Wu being transgender as a problem in itself. This is why they care:

Quote
Despite Brianna Wu's persistent claims of having been born a woman, all evidence would indicate that they were born the son of one Laura Flynt and Doctor Joel Flynt, and grew up in a life of considerable economic advantage, before becoming a woman in his late twenties. Although diagnosable Gender Dysphoria is a real medical condition, and transgenderism itself is an increasingly well understood phenomenon rarely worthy of discussion, Wu has constantly lied about their condition. Brianna Wu has used her newly crafted gender identity to justify many things that she does by using life experiences she provably does not actually have.

Emphasis added. To them, the fact that Wu is transgender would normally be irrelevant; they only care about it because they believe she is lying about her past. I have no problem with you being skeptical of the wiki's claims. There is nothing wrong with thinking the evidence they present isn't convincing enough. No, what I have a problem with is you mischaracterizing the reasons they discuss it, then using it as an excuse to reject their claims out of hand and say it "discredits" me.

I myself am skeptical of the claim, and I don't expect you to believe it or care. What I do expect is for you to exercise basic reading comprehension skills, properly look into things before drawing conclusions, and not fly off the handle or assume the worst. I never said I believe this theory, the closest I came was saying Wu and John Flynt look very similar. I even said I would have to look into the matter myself before I would believe their claims. And you somehow took this as me agreeing with them? How can I expect to have any sort of discussion with you if you can't even understand the words I type?!

*sigh* You know what? Fuck it. I'm sick of your bad faith arguments, I'm sick of your baseless accusations, I'm sick of your twisting my words, and most of all, I'm sick of arguing with people who refuse to show some basic fucking courtesy. Your self-righteous, melodramatic, uninformed little tantrum was the straw that broke the camel's back. I'm done. But before I go, I just want to say this: if this is how you treat everybody who disagrees with you, it's no wonder your forum's on its fucking deathbed.

(https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/531/360/78c.gif)
Title: Re: Gillete Ad Upsets Manosphere Crybabies
Post by: niam2023 on January 27, 2019, 03:10:34 am
Well can't exactly say we're losing much in him going.
Title: Re: Gillete Ad Upsets Manosphere Crybabies
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on January 27, 2019, 08:22:17 am
...the fact that Wu is transgender would normally be irrelevant; they only care about it because they believe she is lying about her past.

There are no transphobes on this wiki, we've always been at war with Eastasia


I myself am skeptical of the claim

(https://pics.me.me/usic-band-how-do-you-do-fellow-kids-funny-14035678.png)

Incoming "BUHBUHBUHBUH INTELLECTUAL DISHONESTY WAAAAH (sobbing waffley centrist noises)"

Now that was prescient as fuck!

*sigh* You know what? Fuck it. I'm sick of your bad faith arguments, I'm sick of your baseless accusations, I'm sick of your twisting my words, and most of all, I'm sick of arguing with people who refuse to show some basic fucking courtesy. Your self-righteous, melodramatic, uninformed little tantrum was the straw that broke the camel's back. I'm done. But before I go, I just want to say this: if this is how you treat everybody who disagrees with you, it's no wonder your forum's on its fucking deathbed.

Our forum will die if we don't become Kiwi Farms, Kotaku in Action or 8chan? If that were true why would it deserve to survive?

Ya know, maybe we need a sticky explaining to assorted gamergaters, meninists, Incels, fundies and alt-righters that this isn't a safe space for them. I mean I'm personally cool if you wanna come on down but I will absolutely mock the shit out of you!
Title: Re: Gillete Ad Upsets Manosphere Crybabies
Post by: ironbite on January 27, 2019, 03:23:01 pm
BYE CHAOS!  DON'T LET THE DOOR HIT YOU WHERE THE GOOD LORD SPLIT YOU!
Title: Re: Gillete Ad Upsets Manosphere Crybabies
Post by: RavynousHunter on January 27, 2019, 05:11:23 pm
I give it a week before they're back.
Title: Re: Gillete Ad Upsets Manosphere Crybabies
Post by: ironbite on January 27, 2019, 06:20:30 pm
Yeah they didn't even delete their account so you know they can see our replies.

Ironbite-stupid wanker./
Title: Re: Gillete Ad Upsets Manosphere Crybabies
Post by: davedan on January 27, 2019, 11:14:38 pm
He should take a leaf from Jacob and seed a series of sock-puppet accounts.

Go a step further and start using a couple of them now.

Just remember to make sure you follow the fool-proof pattern of making sure that your name is two cool parts. My vote for next name is 'Incandescent Iguana'
Title: Re: Gillete Ad Upsets Manosphere Crybabies
Post by: Askold on January 28, 2019, 02:27:02 am
I still prefer a troll I saw who went as "RealAmerican" and after ban came back as "RealAmerican2" and so on, becoming lazier and lazier in his trolling with each incarnation until "RealAmerican17" was basically just spamming "mods are cucks bna me now" all over the forum.
Title: Re: Gillete Ad Upsets Manosphere Crybabies
Post by: Kanzenkankaku on January 28, 2019, 05:15:46 am
That's funny but I like my trolls to be more creative and original.
Title: Re: Gillete Ad Upsets Manosphere Crybabies
Post by: Dr. Weird on January 28, 2019, 02:35:51 pm
I still prefer a troll I saw who went as "RealAmerican" and after ban came back as "RealAmerican2" and so on, becoming lazier and lazier in his trolling with each incarnation until "RealAmerican17" was basically just spamming "mods are cucks bna me now" all over the forum.

There was a board I used to go to where a troll immediately came back under a new account called "adminbannedme".  Like nobody would figure it out, right?
Title: Re: Gillete Ad Upsets Manosphere Crybabies
Post by: Sigmaleph on January 29, 2019, 06:52:39 pm
Jacob keeps signing up with emails with the same names he's already used as his 'friends', so, y'know. Those just get found a little faster
Title: Re: Gillete Ad Upsets Manosphere Crybabies
Post by: ironbite on January 29, 2019, 06:59:15 pm
HAHAHAHA!  CHAOS WAS JACOB!

Ironbite-BWHAHAHAHA!
Title: Re: Gillete Ad Upsets Manosphere Crybabies
Post by: davedan on January 29, 2019, 08:18:57 pm
Jacob keeps signing up with emails with the same names he's already used as his 'friends', so, y'know. Those just get found a little faster

Are you saying Jacob was Chaos Undivided? If so then kudos for the effort in fashioning Jacob as a character because Chaos was entirely different.

If that's correct was Jacob the same guy as Ultimate Paragon, Lana, Dynamic Dragon et al? Just doing a borat impression.
Title: Re: Gillete Ad Upsets Manosphere Crybabies
Post by: SCarpelan on January 29, 2019, 09:29:21 pm
The way I understood Sigma's comment is that Jacob keeps making new accounts and she keeps taking them down before we even notice them.
Title: Re: Gillete Ad Upsets Manosphere Crybabies
Post by: davedan on January 29, 2019, 09:37:15 pm
SCarpelan - that's not as fun (but probably correct)
Title: Re: Gillete Ad Upsets Manosphere Crybabies
Post by: Askold on January 30, 2019, 03:10:58 am
So was that "real American" probably. It was just that new accounts were automatically accepted and the mods were really, really lazy. They only showed up on the forum after checking their email to see that a lot of people had once again reported some user. (The forum was built on the side of another website and the owners didn't really care about it.) Honestly, I'm still not sure if the mods finally learned how to IP ban him or if he just got bored.
Title: Re: Gillete Ad Upsets Manosphere Crybabies
Post by: RavynousHunter on January 30, 2019, 02:16:47 pm
Jacob keeps signing up with emails with the same names he's already used as his 'friends', so, y'know. Those just get found a little faster

Jake's kinda simple, ain't he?
Title: Re: Gillete Ad Upsets Manosphere Crybabies
Post by: Kanzenkankaku on February 01, 2019, 12:32:20 pm
So he was using new versions of Steve or whatever the one sock was called?
Title: Re: Gillete Ad Upsets Manosphere Crybabies
Post by: ironbite on February 01, 2019, 01:15:48 pm
I give it a week before they're back.

Less then a week and he's back.
Title: Re: Gillete Ad Upsets Manosphere Crybabies
Post by: Kanzenkankaku on February 01, 2019, 01:29:11 pm
I give it a week before they're back.

Less then a week and he's back.

A week is usually the conservative estimate with these kinds of people tbh.
Title: Re: Gillete Ad Upsets Manosphere Crybabies
Post by: Sigmaleph on February 01, 2019, 03:25:43 pm
Jacob keeps signing up with emails with the same names he's already used as his 'friends', so, y'know. Those just get found a little faster

Are you saying Jacob was Chaos Undivided? If so then kudos for the effort in fashioning Jacob as a character because Chaos was entirely different.

If that's correct was Jacob the same guy as Ultimate Paragon, Lana, Dynamic Dragon et al? Just doing a borat impression.

No, I have no reason to believe Chaos and Jacob are the same person. Just a bunch of accounts he made that never got approved, so y'all never saw them.
Title: Re: Gillete Ad Upsets Manosphere Crybabies
Post by: Radiation on February 01, 2019, 06:04:06 pm
Well, FWIW, P&G currently considers the ad a success, according to CNN Money (https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/23/business/gillette-ad-procter-and-gamble-stock/index.html). But I think it's too early to tell.

I was looking all over for numbers when some manosphere men on Youtube were making claims that the boycott was working. I highly doubt that a company like Gillette was even going feel so much a dent and this article proves it.
Title: Re: Gillete Ad Upsets Manosphere Crybabies
Post by: Chaos Undivided on February 01, 2019, 07:49:26 pm
Well, FWIW, P&G currently considers the ad a success, according to CNN Money (https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/23/business/gillette-ad-procter-and-gamble-stock/index.html). But I think it's too early to tell.

I was looking all over for numbers when some manosphere men on Youtube were making claims that the boycott was working. I highly doubt that a company like Gillette was even going feel so much a dent and this article proves it.

Maybe you're right, but I think it's important to remember that effects on a company's bottom line aren't always immediate.
Title: Re: Gillete Ad Upsets Manosphere Crybabies
Post by: ironbite on February 02, 2019, 04:11:23 am
Weren't you leaving forever?
Title: Re: Gillete Ad Upsets Manosphere Crybabies
Post by: Askold on February 09, 2019, 07:23:29 am
https://morningconsult.com/form/gillette-commercial-survey/

    Before watching the ad, 42% of consumers said they agreed Gillette “shared their values.” After watching, that figure increased to 71%.
    65% said the ad made them more or much more likely to purchase Gillette.
    84% of women and 77% of men responded positively or neutral to the campaign.

Looks like not many people were really upset about the ad. Despite the second row there, the study points out that there was no meaningful change in sales so at the very least this clearly did not upset many people. And particularly those who were customers of "Dollar Shave Club" and such said they now think of Gillette in a more positive way.
Title: Re: Gillete Ad Upsets Manosphere Crybabies
Post by: Kanzenkankaku on February 23, 2019, 01:29:07 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06yy88tLWlg

new good hbomberguy video about ads like this.