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Re: Do we need a new term for SJW?
« Reply #15 on: September 28, 2014, 02:34:35 pm »
I wouldn't spend too much time worrying about what PZ thinks. He's in his own little bubble and he brooks no criticism.

He can call himself a Social Justice Warrior all he wants while Pharyngula continues to dwindle into obscurity.
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Re: Do we need a new term for SJW?
« Reply #16 on: September 28, 2014, 03:01:57 pm »
I'm not sure how much clearer I can make the idea of "I'm using PZ as an example but I care about the general trend among not-insane progressives, of whom he is one". Whether or not Pharyngula sinks to obscurity is irrelevant to the argument.
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Re: Do we need a new term for SJW?
« Reply #17 on: September 28, 2014, 03:21:53 pm »
Well, the term stuck. I don't think it's optimal, but "Social Justice Warrior" carries the implications it needs to and lots of people recognize it. "Tumblrina" is similar, but it's more specific to one internet community.

PZ refuses to see the batshit parts of any movement he likes; by contrast with atheists and his new-found "gamers", he loves to villify entire communities he doesn't care much for based on their batshit. This is the same man that calls himself a "radfem" because he thinks the misandrist fringes of feminism don't exist.
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Re: Do we need a new term for SJW?
« Reply #18 on: September 28, 2014, 03:47:16 pm »
Well, the term stuck. I don't think it's optimal, but "Social Justice Warrior" carries the implications it needs to and lots of people recognize it. "Tumblrina" is similar, but it's more specific to one internet community.

PZ refuses to see the batshit parts of any movement he likes; by contrast with atheists and his new-found "gamers", he loves to villify entire communities he doesn't care much for based on their batshit. This is the same man that calls himself a "radfem" because he thinks the misandrist fringes of feminism don't exist.

You just about summed up my feelings on the issue. There doesn't need to be a new term, because those getting confused can't be bothered to familiarize themselves with the meaning.
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Re: Do we need a new term for SJW?
« Reply #19 on: September 28, 2014, 04:38:19 pm »
PZ refuses to see the batshit parts of any movement he likes; by contrast with atheists and his new-found "gamers", he loves to villify entire communities he doesn't care much for based on their batshit.

Yeah, that is a pretty big problem.

But regarding the use of SJW they've been calling themselves SJWs long before "we" turned it into an insult.

If anything, we're the ones "confused" about the meaning, not them.

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Re: Do we need a new term for SJW?
« Reply #20 on: September 28, 2014, 05:02:56 pm »
PZ refuses to see the batshit parts of any movement he likes; by contrast with atheists and his new-found "gamers", he loves to villify entire communities he doesn't care much for based on their batshit.

Yeah, that is a pretty big problem.

But regarding the use of SJW they've been calling themselves SJWs long before "we" turned it into an insult.

If anything, we're the ones "confused" about the meaning, not them.

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Nevertheless, this is akin to Byran Fischer wanting to reclaim discrimination as a word.
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Re: Do we need a new term for SJW?
« Reply #21 on: September 28, 2014, 05:33:27 pm »
PZ refuses to see the batshit parts of any movement he likes; by contrast with atheists and his new-found "gamers", he loves to villify entire communities he doesn't care much for based on their batshit.

Yeah, that is a pretty big problem.

But regarding the use of SJW they've been calling themselves SJWs long before "we" turned it into an insult.

If anything, we're the ones "confused" about the meaning, not them.

*This is mostly directed at Madman*
Nevertheless, this is akin to Byran Fischer wanting to reclaim discrimination as a word.

Not really?

This is more akin to wanting to reclaim "queer" as a word.
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Re: Do we need a new term for SJW?
« Reply #22 on: September 28, 2014, 10:36:32 pm »
How about "Social Justice Nut"?

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Re: Do we need a new term for SJW?
« Reply #23 on: September 28, 2014, 10:40:56 pm »
How about "Social Justice Nut"?

That would be ableist.

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Re: Do we need a new term for SJW?
« Reply #24 on: September 29, 2014, 07:16:35 am »
Social Justice Fuckwit? Though the earlier suggested radflake is good, too.
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Re: Do we need a new term for SJW?
« Reply #25 on: September 29, 2014, 08:38:26 pm »
The thing with all the Social Justice X ideas is that it's basically the same problem as "SJW", i.e. they are easily interpreted as criticising someone just for caring about social justice. Which is why I like radflake; it sounds distinct enough to suggest something different.
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Re: Do we need a new term for SJW?
« Reply #26 on: September 29, 2014, 08:52:45 pm »
The thing with all the Social Justice X ideas is that it's basically the same problem as "SJW", i.e. they are easily interpreted as criticising someone just for caring about social justice. Which is why I like radflake; it sounds distinct enough to suggest something different.

Right.

The whole point of it is that if you include "social justice" in the insult, then there are people that will apply it to ALL social justice advocates, and eventually, people will be unable to tell if you're insulting the extremists or the entire movement.

And don't give me that bullshit about how they should "know from context".  That's bordering on "I expect everyone to be psychic and know precisely what I'm talking about even though I use terminology that can only be understood in context that is not always provided up front."

On the other hand, if you take away "social justice" from it, it becomes useful on multiple levels.

First of all, you're not insulting someone just for arguing for social justice, whether you mean to or not.

Second of all, you're removing the social justice connotation from people you ARE insulting.  Considering they may take pride on being for social justice, this not only prevents them from building up their ego for being "accused of being for social justice", but it also implies that they're in it purely for themselves, not for other people.  Which they generally are.
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Re: Do we need a new term for SJW?
« Reply #27 on: September 29, 2014, 09:13:47 pm »
I don't think the term necessarily needs to be replaced, but perhaps it would be useful to create a more precise and objective definition. Not just generalities like "radical" or "rude" that are open to interpretation, but specific ideological tenets and behaviors that mark someone as SJW.

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Re: Do we need a new term for SJW?
« Reply #28 on: September 29, 2014, 09:35:17 pm »
Increasingly I've been seeing comments like "You can spot an MRA/[insert asshole here] because they use SJW as an insult" so yeah, I do think we need a new term and I do agree we should probably keep the words "social justice" out of it, because that these assholes are advocating isn't social justice, not really.


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Re: Do we need a new term for SJW?
« Reply #29 on: October 06, 2014, 12:42:34 pm »
I just refer to non-crazy ones as "Social activists", and have the crazy ones be called "Warriors"
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