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Re: Another day, another school shooting
« Reply #15 on: December 14, 2013, 08:27:40 am »
You can keep discrediting gun control legislation all you want, but the fact is that it's severely reduced gun crimes in just about every other developed nation where it's been tried.

Please provide actual evidence that introduction of gun control into a country that lacked it caused a long-term decrease in crime.

And I mean "long-term". A decrease that only lasts a few years is a common sight even when no changes to laws are made, and is essentially statistical fluff.

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As for the laws getting "stricter", I don't buy it.‎

Sorry, but just because you don't believe facts doesn't mean they're not true. California, New York, and other states or cities have maintained the provisions of the 1994 Assault Weapons Ban, a rather silly bill loaded with nigh-useless laws that included attempts to regulate the frightening appearance of certain guns and had virtually zero effect on actual gun crime during its 10 years in service across the nation.
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Re: Another day, another school shooting
« Reply #16 on: December 14, 2013, 08:37:42 am »
Nope.  He was white.

Ironbite-everyone knows terrorists can't be white.

He also wasn't trying to accomplish any political objective through terror, which seems slightly more relevant.
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Re: Another day, another school shooting
« Reply #17 on: December 14, 2013, 11:43:03 am »
Sorry, but just because you don't believe facts doesn't mean they're not true. California, New York, and other states or cities have maintained the provisions of the 1994 Assault Weapons Ban, a rather silly bill loaded with nigh-useless laws that included attempts to regulate the frightening appearance of certain guns and had virtually zero effect on actual gun crime during its 10 years in service across the nation.

You pretty much described the opposite of a "strict" law. That law was just ineffective.

The U.S. Congress is so bought and paid for by the arms manufacturers that, barring public outrage such as we haven't seen after any school shooting, I don't see new federal gun control happening until the arms industry wants to severely restrict 3D-printed guns. I could imagine that legislation passing because 3D printing would cut into their profits.
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Re: Another day, another school shooting
« Reply #18 on: December 14, 2013, 03:16:32 pm »
Nope.  He was white.

Ironbite-everyone knows terrorists can't be white.

Unless they're Irish. Or is that only in the UK?

No then they're freedom fighters.

Ironbite-cause the United States hates the British.

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Re: Another day, another school shooting
« Reply #19 on: December 14, 2013, 04:43:13 pm »
I don't know... I kind of like those limey bastards.

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Re: Another day, another school shooting
« Reply #20 on: December 14, 2013, 04:54:16 pm »
I honestly hate the United States, probably more than anyone here does.

We're a divided country with no real clear lines.  Which is mostly forgivable.  What's not forgivable is what we're divided on.  The right wing is determined to drag us back to the pre-Civil War era, and the left wing is too busy bickering with itself to drag us forward.

It's one of those cases where Britain, with all of its problems, still feels like an improvement over the USA.
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Re: Another day, another school shooting
« Reply #21 on: December 14, 2013, 05:44:49 pm »
Apparently, according to his facebook posts and eyewitness accounts, his views lied on the left, including supporting gun-control laws, ironically enough.

People have already decided to use this as "Proof" that all liberals are evil.
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Re: Another day, another school shooting
« Reply #22 on: December 14, 2013, 06:11:52 pm »
I honestly hate the United States, probably more than anyone here does.

We're a divided country with no real clear lines.  Which is mostly forgivable.  What's not forgivable is what we're divided on.  The right wing is determined to drag us back to the pre-Civil War era, and the left wing is too busy bickering with itself to drag us forward.

It's one of those cases where Britain, with all of its problems, still feels like an improvement over the USA.

I don't hate the US.  It is my home and there are still some things I like about it.   With me, when it comes to the US, I am very, very, disappoint.

Not hate.

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Re: Another day, another school shooting
« Reply #23 on: December 14, 2013, 07:03:26 pm »
Well, I have a hard time finding anything to like about this country of entitled old fogies and entitled little brats.
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Re: Another day, another school shooting
« Reply #24 on: December 14, 2013, 07:05:20 pm »
I don't, but different strokes for different folks.

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Re: Another day, another school shooting
« Reply #25 on: December 14, 2013, 07:07:11 pm »
Well I was hoping you could tell me what you liked so that maybe I could change my mind, but perhaps I should have said so instead of just expecting you to read my mind :P
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Re: Another day, another school shooting
« Reply #26 on: December 14, 2013, 07:24:26 pm »
Well I kinda expected that you were wondering what, but I was kind of self-conscious about it, as my wants are pretty simple compared to many others. 

The people, the places, the things.   I could go and live in the UK forever, but my home would always be where I am right now.  Unless I were to somehow bring the people, places and things I love here with me, but that wouldn't be cost-effective.   

Maybe when there's nothing tying me here emotionally, like if I was the only surviving member of my family unit... I don't know.   Home will still probably be here.   That's where I stand, at least currently.  I'm disappointed in my country as it's capable of so much more than it's doing now, but I still hold hope that things will eventually get better.   Bad things like this have happened all through the history of the world.  We just know about it all now at once since the advent of the internet.  The world has gotten as small as a little podunk town comparatively, and everyone knows what everyone else is doing.

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Re: Another day, another school shooting
« Reply #27 on: December 14, 2013, 07:31:23 pm »
Maybe that's the difference then.

My parents are the only people I really care about in the immediate vicinity, and of the two I'd leave my Dad behind if I could.

Both sides of the family are emotionally distant (or outright abusive) and have basically treated my parents and me as if we were black sheep, afterthoughts.

I have no friends, no real family to speak of because of the aforementioned issues, and the place I live in is pretty damn conservative.  The only thing tying me here is that I have literally no choice in the matter.
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Re: Another day, another school shooting
« Reply #28 on: December 14, 2013, 07:45:57 pm »
The people I care most about are my mother and my aunt.  Oh what the hell, my cats too since they're little ... cat-type-people...

When they're all gone, provided they go before I do, then there may not be anything keeping me here, but I know I would greatly miss the sights, smells, and feels that where I am has given me.

 I don't think the UK could ever hope to grow an apple as good as Mercier Orchards in Blue Ridge, for instance... at least as good to me.   I'd miss the sounds of the animals in the woods near my house at night. The crickets, the cicadas,  the coyotes, the owls, the bobwhites and whip-or-wills.  The smell of the hay and cattle from across the road at the Shield's pasture.  Not to mention the sounds of them, and the bellows when one of them is having a calf.

The smell of oak and pine when the lumber mill up the road is doing its cutting.   The woodsmoke when the neighbors up and down the road have lit their woodstoves and fireplaces. 
There's a lot more than that even, but it'd take forever to relate and I don't want to bore anyone.

Home, to me... is more than just a place.  It's everything you sense and remember. 

Meh, I'm a sentimental fool, I know. :p
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Re: Another day, another school shooting
« Reply #29 on: December 14, 2013, 07:59:03 pm »
Please provide actual evidence that introduction of gun control into a country that lacked it caused a long-term decrease in crime.
Why would anyone bother? Every time Australia is mentioned as an example of gun control successfully reducing violent crime, the gun nuts just stick their fingers in their ears and go "LALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU".