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Title: World War 3
Post by: Zygarde on January 17, 2013, 07:54:30 pm
I always wondered this what do you guys think World War 3 will happen, when it will happen and who will be in it? This is just a random topic and I mostly want to see your answers so I can use it to help me with something else I'm doing.

Also I think that WWIII will involve the following countries

Allies:
U.S (obviously.)
U.K (another obvious one)
South Korea
The majority of the European nations (With possibly the exception of Russia)
Japan

Axis (Or whatever it would be called I'm just using Axis cause I can't think of anything else)
Iran
North Korea
China
Other countries that I cannot remember at the moment
Title: Re: World War 3
Post by: Art Vandelay on January 17, 2013, 08:00:00 pm
The world in its current state? Nope, it'll never happen. You know why? Mutually Assured Destruction. Same reason the USA and USSR bent over backwards during the cold war to avoid any direct conflict.

That and the world is economically so much more interdependent that it has ever been in the past. Especially the US and China. Without international trade and investment, both would crash so spectacularly it would make the Credit Crunch look like a minor hickup.
Title: Re: World War 3
Post by: dpareja on January 17, 2013, 08:24:07 pm
If it happens, it will probably start in Europe again, this time between the Eurozone nations with weak economies blaming the ones with strong economies for not helping, and the ones with strong economies blaming the ones with weak economies for dragging down the common currency.
Title: Re: World War 3
Post by: Art Vandelay on January 17, 2013, 08:33:35 pm
If it happens, it will probably start in Europe again, this time between the Eurozone nations with weak economies blaming the ones with strong economies for not helping, and the ones with strong economies blaming the ones with weak economies for dragging down the common currency.
That would hardly be a world war. More like a regional curb stomping.
Title: Re: World War 3
Post by: dpareja on January 17, 2013, 09:20:04 pm
If it happens, it will probably start in Europe again, this time between the Eurozone nations with weak economies blaming the ones with strong economies for not helping, and the ones with strong economies blaming the ones with weak economies for dragging down the common currency.
That would hardly be a world war. More like a regional curb stomping.

It's Europe. They'd find a way.
Title: Re: World War 3
Post by: Lt. Fred on January 17, 2013, 09:32:59 pm
That and the world is economically so much more interdependent that it has ever been in the past. Especially the US and China. Without international trade and investment, both would crash so spectacularly it would make the Credit Crunch look like a minor hickup.

Which is the same argument people used to prove World War One impossible.

The reason there will never be a major conflict again is mutually assured destruction. It serves no country's interests to go to war, therefore none will.
Title: Re: World War 3
Post by: Rabbit of Caerbannog on January 17, 2013, 10:02:16 pm
Stick one thousand neocons at one thousand typewriters and we'd eventually come up with something.
Title: Re: World War 3
Post by: Lt. Fred on January 17, 2013, 11:04:51 pm
It's also why Pakistan and India have not had a conventional conflict since Mutually Assured Destruction.
Title: Re: World War 3
Post by: Art Vandelay on January 17, 2013, 11:11:09 pm
That and the world is economically so much more interdependent that it has ever been in the past. Especially the US and China. Without international trade and investment, both would crash so spectacularly it would make the Credit Crunch look like a minor hickup.

Which is the same argument people used to prove World War One impossible.

Things are a tad more globalised since WWI. In WWI, almost the entirety of Britain and France's secondary goods demands weren't supplied by Germany and Austria, nor were Germany and Austria's manufacturing bases dependent on British and French markets and investments.
Title: Re: World War 3
Post by: Random Gal on January 18, 2013, 12:32:42 am
Also, if North Korea ever attacked the USA, even with a nuke, they'd get curbstomped and China wouldn't save them this time. China basically views them as an embarrassment and has more to gain by sticking with the USA anyhow.
Title: Re: World War 3
Post by: kefkaownsall on January 18, 2013, 12:46:02 am
Oh thank god this thread  8)  Sorry just panic issues anyways also there won't be a war in Europe among other things too many expats also North Korea is defanged and useless the only reason they don't all starve is China gives them money to avoid the swarm of refugees.
Title: Re: World War 3
Post by: Zygarde on January 18, 2013, 01:03:33 am
Still it's fun to think of hypotheticals and that's what I'm looking for.(as well as a few tangible reasons so I can work WWIII into my Sci-Fi novel)
Title: Re: World War 3
Post by: kefkaownsall on January 18, 2013, 01:15:23 am
Truthfully there wont be a war in Iran we would firebomb if it ever came between them and Israel(Silly IMO since Iran has more people)
Title: Re: World War 3
Post by: Sylvana on January 18, 2013, 04:18:23 am
Hypothetically thinking, I think any world war would pit America vs the rest of the UN, with the BRIC nations forming a third force trying to leverage the system to best benefit them without getting too directly involved.

People in the USA like to think they are the good guys, but given everything since the turn of the century America has been more aggressive and involved in wars and committed more crimes against humanity and breaches of the Geneva convention to warrant the USA being the primary antagonist. The only thing stopping this though is that the UN basically always bends over backwards and sucks the USA's cock at every opportunity so they wont ever really do anything. However we are talking in hypothetical scenarios here.

Alternatively I could see a massive invasion from China into Africa. In this event I doubt the USA would want to get involved, nor would the UN want to, but I could see it coming to that. I am not sure if the rest of the BRIC nations would back china in this.
Title: Re: World War 3
Post by: Lt. Fred on January 18, 2013, 06:10:56 am
The BRIC group (Brazil*, Russia, India, China) is not an alliance. The countries have nothing to do with each other. They do not share interests. They do not even share a continent.

World war would be nuclear, and nuclear war means no allegiances.

* Why is it Brazil, not Argentina? Probably because Americans do not approve of Argentinian government, a point Krugman has made.
Title: Re: World War 3
Post by: Sylvana on January 18, 2013, 07:12:17 am
The BRIC group (Brazil*, Russia, India, China) is not an alliance. The countries have nothing to do with each other. They do not share interests. They do not even share a continent.

They share a number of economic interests and have a lot of trade deals with each other, as they are all in roughly the same boat economically speaking. While they are not a definitive alliance, they would all profit or suffer economic loss to the same things happening on a global scale. Hence it would be in each of their best interests to support each other, until one tries to sneak ahead of the others.

Each of the BRIC nations have labor markets resource shortages and far too many people living in their countries. They have every reason to start expansionist plans. They could ally together to expand into Africa if they wanted to, however they will in time turn on each other.
Title: Re: World War 3
Post by: Art Vandelay on January 18, 2013, 08:20:32 am
Alternatively I could see a massive invasion from China into Africa. In this event I doubt the USA would want to get involved, nor would the UN want to, but I could see it coming to that. I am not sure if the rest of the BRIC nations would back china in this.
Wow, now that would be a fucking bloodbath that would put WWI to shame. China's massive numbers and those lovely African millitias, what fun they'd have.
Title: Re: World War 3
Post by: kefkaownsall on January 18, 2013, 08:38:43 am
I dunno that really isn't China's style they prefer propping up dictators who give them free shit (IE Sudan)
Title: Re: World War 3
Post by: chad sexington on January 18, 2013, 08:40:20 am
Was hoping this thread would be about decades-old predictions of Future Wars.  So far, I am disappointed  >:(
Title: Re: World War 3
Post by: Art Vandelay on January 18, 2013, 08:43:01 am
I dunno that really isn't China's style they prefer propping up dictators who give them free shit (IE Sudan)
What the fuck? They can't be doing that, that's our thing!
Title: Re: World War 3
Post by: Askold on January 18, 2013, 09:25:28 am
World war would be nuclear, and nuclear war means no allegiances.

Why not? I think it would be nice to know that there are allied countries that won't be nuking you. You could concentrate on the others.

I mean, all out nuclear war is insane no matter how you do it, but having some friendly countries is always good, even better if you share a border with them.

If you nuke a country that shares a border with you then the chances of fallout causing trouble in your country is much bigger. In fact nukes only seem like a good choice if you plan to use them far away.

This is probably why USA and USSR could keep on dreaming about nuking each other.
Title: Re: World War 3
Post by: kefkaownsall on January 18, 2013, 10:14:55 am
Oh yeah hey have been selling arms to the president of Sudan.  Simple arrangement they get oil he gets to keep killing black muslims
Title: Re: World War 3
Post by: Old Viking on January 18, 2013, 05:27:44 pm
Einstein said (and I paraphrase badly here) that World War IV will be fought with with bows and arrows.
Title: Re: World War 3
Post by: Rabbit of Caerbannog on January 18, 2013, 06:35:31 pm
Einstein said (and I paraphrase badly here) that World War IV will be fought with with bows and arrows.
Well sticks and stones, but the idea stands.
Title: Re: World War 3
Post by: Meshakhad on January 18, 2013, 07:01:33 pm
Nepal vs. Paraguay. Just you wait and see.
Title: Re: World War 3
Post by: Lt. Fred on January 18, 2013, 07:05:00 pm
The BRIC group (Brazil*, Russia, India, China) is not an alliance. The countries have nothing to do with each other. They do not share interests. They do not even share a continent.

They share a number of economic interests and have a lot of trade deals with each other,

Nup. Russia and China hate each other. India and China hate each other. Brazil is the only country relatively non-belligerent towards the others (Russia and India don't hate each other, either).

Note that three of them are nuclear powers.

They're not even all united in brinkmanship towards the US. Brazil and India are US allies; China has a history of friendship and cooperation with the US (aligned against Vietnam and the Soviet Union). Russia, obviously, does not.
Title: Re: World War 3
Post by: Rabbit of Caerbannog on January 20, 2013, 12:14:18 am
Nepal vs. Paraguay. Just you wait and see.
Fine. I put $50 on Suriname starting shit.
Title: Re: World War 3
Post by: m52nickerson on January 21, 2013, 09:08:26 pm
Which is the same argument people used to prove World War One impossible.

The reason there will never be a major conflict again is mutually assured destruction. It serves no country's interests to go to war, therefore none will.

Well until we are fighting for oil, water and/or food that will be the case.  Make it about those and throw in some massive economic and political turmoil and and reasonable bets are off.
Title: Re: World War 3
Post by: rookie on January 25, 2013, 10:23:58 am
Nepal vs. Paraguay. Just you wait and see.

I have $20 on Canada vs. Turkmenistan in the year 2047.
Title: Re: World War 3
Post by: dpareja on January 25, 2013, 10:46:35 am
Nepal vs. Paraguay. Just you wait and see.

I have $20 on Canada vs. Turkmenistan in the year 2047.

Bah. It's obviously going to be San Marino vs Vanuatu.
Title: Re: World War 3
Post by: rookie on January 25, 2013, 10:50:12 am


Bah. It's obviously going to be San Marino vs Vanuatu.

I can see that.