The Science Guy vs. The Creation Guy

[ironbite]

Young Earth Creationists.

Ironbite-just so we're clear.

[Dakota Bob]

I'd watch it but Ken Ham is fucking irritating and I don't want to put my fist through my monitor.

[Cloud3514]

Sadly, as much as I respect Nye, I feel he didn't accomplish anything. The creationist are not going to be swayed by facts, because they care more about  dogma. I think he should follow professor Dawkins' example, as he refuses to debate creationist because it gives them the appearance of credibility.

Bill admitted to CNN that he only agreed to it because Kentucky is considering adding intelligent design as a required subject in their public science classes. He was less trying to convince Ham and more trying to inform the voters.

[gyeonghwa]

Sadly, as much as I respect Nye, I feel he didn't accomplish anything. The creationist are not going to be swayed by facts, because they care more about  dogma. I think he should follow professor Dawkins' example, as he refuses to debate creationist because it gives them the appearance of credibility.

Bill admitted to CNN that he only agreed to it because Kentucky is considering adding intelligent design as a required subject in their public science classes. He was less trying to convince Ham and more trying to inform the voters.

Sadly, as much as I respect Nye, I feel he didn't accomplish anything. The creationist are not going to be swayed by facts, because they care more about  dogma. I think he should follow professor Dawkins' example, as he refuses to debate creationist because it gives them the appearance of credibility.

Bill admitted to CNN that he only agreed to it because Kentucky is considering adding intelligent design as a required subject in their public science classes. He was less trying to convince Ham and more trying to inform the voters.

The unfortunate thing is that people are more easily swayed by rhetoric than fact. So he may have supplied the facts, but Ham may still "win" that debate.

[Id82]

What the fuck is Noetics?

[Witchyjoshy]

What the fuck is Noetics?

Judging from my brief research, the idea that intuition is scientific evidence :/

[Art Vandelay]

According to Rational Wiki, it's either noetic philosophy, which is simply philosophy related to the mind itself, and noetic science, which is yet another variation of new age woo. Considering the context, I personally lean towards the latter.

[Id82]

So it's basically a pseudoscience where you can say, I feel God is real so that is evidence?

[Art Vandelay]

That's about the size of it.

[Caitshidhe]

So I just watched the whole thing while doing laundry. Yes I do my laundry at four in the morning, that's not the point.

Here's what the debate comes down to:

KEN HAM: Strawman, strawman, redefining words, making shit up, outright lying, cherry-picking, and not actually answering the question.
BILL NYE: Thoughtful, passionate, reasonable answers, and acknowledging when he doesn't know things.
KEN HAM: GOD. AND STUFF.
BILL NYE: *loses the will to live about 2/3 into the debate*

I only regret that I have no virginity to pledge to Bill Nye for being so freaking awesome and for also not cracking and strangling Ken Ham with his bow tie like you know he has contemplated at least 267,395 times in two and a half hours.

[Sylvana]

KEN HAM: Strawman, strawman, redefining words, making shit up, outright lying, cherry-picking, and not actually answering the question.
BILL NYE: Thoughtful, passionate, reasonable answers, and acknowledging when he doesn't know things.
KEN HAM: GOD. AND STUFF.
BILL NYE: *loses the will to live about 2/3 into the debate*

More like:
KEN HAM: "You weren't there you cant know!"
BILL NYE: "well this and this and this prove it, Also Study Science kids"
KEN HAM: "YOU WEREN'T THERE YOU CANT KNOW!"
BILL NYE: "well we see this and this and this right now, Also Study Science kids"
KEN HAM: "GOD! YOU WEREN'T THERE YOU CANT KNOW!!!!!!!! GOD!!!!!"

[Dakota Bob]

Just started watching the whole thing, all of Bill's jokes are bombing hard. Kinda uncomfortable to watch

[Hades]

So did anyone end up watching it? I still think it was completely stupid for Nye to debate this guy. But one of the worst things to come out of it was this:

People holding signs that say stupid things and smiling about it

Get ready for the face palms.

Some of them are sketchy, but I'm convinced that this guy is trollin'. Look at that smile. He knows what he's doing.

[Ultimate Paragon]

"If we came from Brits, why are there still Brits?"

[Caitshidhe]

KEN HAM: Strawman, strawman, redefining words, making shit up, outright lying, cherry-picking, and not actually answering the question.
BILL NYE: Thoughtful, passionate, reasonable answers, and acknowledging when he doesn't know things.
KEN HAM: GOD. AND STUFF.
BILL NYE: *loses the will to live about 2/3 into the debate*

More like:
KEN HAM: "You weren't there you cant know!"
BILL NYE: "well this and this and this prove it, Also Study Science kids"
KEN HAM: "YOU WEREN'T THERE YOU CANT KNOW!"
BILL NYE: "well we see this and this and this right now, Also Study Science kids"
KEN HAM: "GOD! YOU WEREN'T THERE YOU CANT KNOW!!!!!!!! GOD!!!!!"

I love how he went about things.

'We can't prove how old the earth is! Therefore I will tell you exactly how old it is.'