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Community => Religion and Philosophy => Topic started by: Hoplite on February 04, 2014, 07:14:45 pm
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Bill Nye vs. Ken Ham, live stream via Youtube
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/bill-nye-the-science-guy-set-to-debate-creationist-ken-ham-tonight-at-7pm/
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I missed the first hour but I'm watching now.
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Bill Nye is doing great, like I thought he would. Big Props to him for going right into the lion's den of Creationists to deliver his message. If this is not a real-life example of the Plato's Cave allegory, I don't know what is.
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Good job, Bill!
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Question me this, did Ham use any sources that didn't come out of the Bible? And I mean any sources, it doesn't have to be actual science.
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Not really, half of the answers he gave started with "Well, there's this book..." and the rest referred to the five or so "scientists" who agree with him
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You certainly don't get where Ken Ham is without mental gymnastics and weasel words.
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Bill Nye, the Science Guy! (Bill! Bill! Bill! Bill! Bill! Bill!) Pwns n00bs with facts, not lies!
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So did anyone end up watching it? I still think it was completely stupid for Nye to debate this guy. But one of the worst things to come out of it was this:
People holding signs that say stupid things and smiling about it (http://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/messages-from-creationists-to-people-who-believe-in-evolutio)
Get ready for the face palms.
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We already have a thread for this, mate. (http://fqa.digibase.ca/index.php?topic=5423.0) I can see how you might have missed it though, seeing as how it's on another board.
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People holding signs that say stupid things and smiling about it (http://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/messages-from-creationists-to-people-who-believe-in-evolutio)
(http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/6000001/images/1253859333121.png)
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I face-floored at that...
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She's seriously asking how you explain sunset? Does she think it's some divine light show that a god creates for us every night? Jesus christ.
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I went ahead and merged the two threads and moved it to Religion/Philosophy.
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Sadly, as much as I respect Nye, I feel he didn't accomplish anything. The creationist are not going to be swayed by facts, because they care more about dogma. I think he should follow professor Dawkins' example, as he refuses to debate creationist because it gives them the appearance of credibility.
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Young Earth Creationists.
Ironbite-just so we're clear.
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I'd watch it but Ken Ham is fucking irritating and I don't want to put my fist through my monitor.
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Sadly, as much as I respect Nye, I feel he didn't accomplish anything. The creationist are not going to be swayed by facts, because they care more about dogma. I think he should follow professor Dawkins' example, as he refuses to debate creationist because it gives them the appearance of credibility.
Bill admitted to CNN that he only agreed to it because Kentucky is considering adding intelligent design as a required subject in their public science classes. He was less trying to convince Ham and more trying to inform the voters.
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Sadly, as much as I respect Nye, I feel he didn't accomplish anything. The creationist are not going to be swayed by facts, because they care more about dogma. I think he should follow professor Dawkins' example, as he refuses to debate creationist because it gives them the appearance of credibility.
Bill admitted to CNN that he only agreed to it because Kentucky is considering adding intelligent design as a required subject in their public science classes. He was less trying to convince Ham and more trying to inform the voters.
Sadly, as much as I respect Nye, I feel he didn't accomplish anything. The creationist are not going to be swayed by facts, because they care more about dogma. I think he should follow professor Dawkins' example, as he refuses to debate creationist because it gives them the appearance of credibility.
Bill admitted to CNN that he only agreed to it because Kentucky is considering adding intelligent design as a required subject in their public science classes. He was less trying to convince Ham and more trying to inform the voters.
The unfortunate thing is that people are more easily swayed by rhetoric than fact. So he may have supplied the facts, but Ham may still "win" that debate.
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What the fuck is Noetics?
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What the fuck is Noetics?
Judging from my brief research, the idea that intuition is scientific evidence :/
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According to Rational Wiki, it's either noetic philosophy, which is simply philosophy related to the mind itself, and noetic science, which is yet another variation of new age woo. Considering the context, I personally lean towards the latter.
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So it's basically a pseudoscience where you can say, I feel God is real so that is evidence?
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That's about the size of it.
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So I just watched the whole thing while doing laundry. Yes I do my laundry at four in the morning, that's not the point.
Here's what the debate comes down to:
KEN HAM: Strawman, strawman, redefining words, making shit up, outright lying, cherry-picking, and not actually answering the question.
BILL NYE: Thoughtful, passionate, reasonable answers, and acknowledging when he doesn't know things.
KEN HAM: GOD. AND STUFF.
BILL NYE: *loses the will to live about 2/3 into the debate*
I only regret that I have no virginity to pledge to Bill Nye for being so freaking awesome and for also not cracking and strangling Ken Ham with his bow tie like you know he has contemplated at least 267,395 times in two and a half hours.
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KEN HAM: Strawman, strawman, redefining words, making shit up, outright lying, cherry-picking, and not actually answering the question.
BILL NYE: Thoughtful, passionate, reasonable answers, and acknowledging when he doesn't know things.
KEN HAM: GOD. AND STUFF.
BILL NYE: *loses the will to live about 2/3 into the debate*
More like:
KEN HAM: "You weren't there you cant know!"
BILL NYE: "well this and this and this prove it, Also Study Science kids"
KEN HAM: "YOU WEREN'T THERE YOU CANT KNOW!"
BILL NYE: "well we see this and this and this right now, Also Study Science kids"
KEN HAM: "GOD! YOU WEREN'T THERE YOU CANT KNOW!!!!!!!! GOD!!!!!"
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Just started watching the whole thing, all of Bill's jokes are bombing hard. Kinda uncomfortable to watch :P
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So did anyone end up watching it? I still think it was completely stupid for Nye to debate this guy. But one of the worst things to come out of it was this:
People holding signs that say stupid things and smiling about it (http://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/messages-from-creationists-to-people-who-believe-in-evolutio)
Get ready for the face palms.
Some of them are sketchy, but I'm convinced that this guy is trollin'. Look at that smile. He knows what he's doing.
(http://s3-ec.buzzfed.com/static/2014-02/enhanced/webdr02/5/0/enhanced-15285-1391576908-9.jpg)
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(http://s3-ec.buzzfed.com/static/2014-02/enhanced/webdr02/5/0/enhanced-15285-1391576908-9.jpg)
"If we came from Brits, why are there still Brits?"
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KEN HAM: Strawman, strawman, redefining words, making shit up, outright lying, cherry-picking, and not actually answering the question.
BILL NYE: Thoughtful, passionate, reasonable answers, and acknowledging when he doesn't know things.
KEN HAM: GOD. AND STUFF.
BILL NYE: *loses the will to live about 2/3 into the debate*
More like:
KEN HAM: "You weren't there you cant know!"
BILL NYE: "well this and this and this prove it, Also Study Science kids"
KEN HAM: "YOU WEREN'T THERE YOU CANT KNOW!"
BILL NYE: "well we see this and this and this right now, Also Study Science kids"
KEN HAM: "GOD! YOU WEREN'T THERE YOU CANT KNOW!!!!!!!! GOD!!!!!"
I love how he went about things.
'We can't prove how old the earth is! Therefore I will tell you exactly how old it is.'
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So did anyone end up watching it? I still think it was completely stupid for Nye to debate this guy. But one of the worst things to come out of it was this:
People holding signs that say stupid things and smiling about it (http://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/messages-from-creationists-to-people-who-believe-in-evolutio)
Get ready for the face palms.
Some of them are sketchy, but I'm convinced that this guy is trollin'. Look at that smile. He knows what he's doing.
(http://s3-ec.buzzfed.com/static/2014-02/enhanced/webdr02/5/0/enhanced-15285-1391576908-9.jpg)
I thought that about several of them, particularly that one, the aforementioned sunset question, and the one about science by definition being a theory.
But if they aren't trolling and truly think these questions have merit, there is no amount of debate or proof that will ever sway them or cause them to change their mind.
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(http://i.imgur.com/2Aco6ob.png)
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Me: So, what do you think of the Bill Nye vs Ken Ham debate a couple days ago?
Conservatoons: Did not watch. Knew is took place but missed. I think Nye is a Warmer so he is not my favorite.
Me: But the debate was on creationism vs evolution, I don't think global warming doesn't strongly tie to that.
Conservatoons: It was. But if you are a "science guy" and think Al Gore and govt can control weather, then you loose pts w/ me.
This guy seems to like to change the subject a lot, but then again, he said he didn't watch it.
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There's also the fact that he's apparently a tad touched in the head.
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Nye is a Warner? Huh? I thought there was just Yakko, Wakko, and Dot....
Edit: Yeah I know "Warmer" but it sounded like... meh, forget it. That joke sucked anyway.
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(http://i.imgur.com/2Aco6ob.png)
To be fair, evidence should have an asterisk next to it. The asterisk should lead to a footnote that reads "heavily scrutinized and verified evidence." What I mean by that is that there's been plenty of so called "evidence" that's been proven to be a hoax.
Of course, a creationist might look at such evidence getting such rigor and say "See! You guys won't accept anything that doesn't fit your worldview!"
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Ensuring you're doing it right is a thing of the devil, we all know this.
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Liberal Logic "fact-checking" Bill Nye (http://liberallogic101.com/?p=7293), and they cite a creationist.
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Liberal Logic "fact-checking" Bill Nye (http://liberallogic101.com/?p=7293), and they cite a creationist.
The example they give of a fossil out of place is of mammals in the same layers as dinosaurs. *facepalm* That's because there were mammals at the same time as dinosaurs. I read about mammals in the age of dinosaurs when I was a kid.
And they call Nye ignorant. ::)
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Because they confuse "mammals" with "humans." Because, clearly, if something isn't a human, its...I dunno, a reptile or a spider or something. I dunno, I gave up trying to understand this shit a long time ago. I got better shit to do with my time.
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Liberal Logic "fact-checking" Bill Nye (http://liberallogic101.com/?p=7293), and they cite a creationist.
The example they give of a fossil out of place is of mammals in the same layers as dinosaurs. *facepalm* That's because there were mammals at the same time as dinosaurs. I read about mammals in the age of dinosaurs when I was a kid.
And they call Nye ignorant. ::)
The dinosaurs were probably the ones that drove the evolution from a basil synapsids to mammals forcing their synapsid cousins to occupy niches that were suitable for mammalian adaptation. Or do they really think "evolutionists" believes mammal just magically appear after the K-Pg extinction event?
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Liberal Logic "fact-checking" Bill Nye (http://liberallogic101.com/?p=7293), and they cite a creationist.
The example they give of a fossil out of place is of mammals in the same layers as dinosaurs. *facepalm* That's because there were mammals at the same time as dinosaurs. I read about mammals in the age of dinosaurs when I was a kid.
And they call Nye ignorant. ::)
The dinosaurs were probably the ones that drove the evolution from a basil synapsids to mammals forcing their synapsid cousins to occupy niches that were suitable for mammalian adaptation. Or do they really think "evolutionists" believes mammal just magically appear after the K-Pg extinction event?
The unfortunate, but likely, answer to your query is "yes."
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From the comment section below the Liberal Logic blog post;
DarthProphet > Andrew Follett
• 12 hours ago
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Erik doesn't know squat , if he did he would know that the only completely surveyed site being the bitter root and sawtooth ranges show huge problems with how the layers where laid down they also show no tree of life the show completely mixed rock formations and fossils of the supposed same era across what are assumed millions of millions of years. Here's the part that atheist and evolutionists run into big problems the actual fossil record all points to its creation caused by a world wide flood. That's why 5 hey lean on the lead content as a way of aging which I and of its self has huge problems being that the layers start with light and corse to dense and hard . Just which layers do you think would hold the most lead the porous light material on top or the dense less porous on Botto ? Let's talk about the do e cliffs, this is the best exam of 5 he layers over millions on millions of years. The do en cliffs are made from microscopic crustaceans, there are many such sites around the world that are 100's of Sq miles and 1000's feet thick. Now 1 just how huge of dead flesh would you need to cause such a bloom and how would such a source be maintained over millions and millions of years, along with that over the millions of years they say it took to create such layers where is the other debris from volcanos to wind sept dust, how does such land shapes go without any other layer material?. Listen folks I'm not saying g your stupid what I am saying g is you just don't suspect, which means you are gullible. Look around you get a Clue .
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DarthProphet > DarthProphet
• 12 hours ago
Phone posting can sucks but people of intellegance get my points
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Sorry, DerpProphet, but you're not gonna get away with blaming whargarble on autocorrect!
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Looks like Bill Nye may have accidentally helped Ken Ham (http://nation.time.com/2014/02/28/bill-nye-inadvertently-rescued-creationist-noahs-ark/), and I doubt many of us could have foreseen this.
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Looks like Bill Nye may have accidentally helped Ken Ham (http://nation.time.com/2014/02/28/bill-nye-inadvertently-rescued-creationist-noahs-ark/), and I doubt many of us could have foreseen this.
professor Dawkins saw it coming. He advised Nye not to take part, told him that it would only help Ham, and as much as I respect Nye, and as much as I liked seeing Ham get humiliated, I also thought this sort of thing would happen.
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Nye is a Warner? Huh? I thought there was just Yakko, Wakko, and Dot....
Edit: Yeah I know "Warmer" but it sounded like... meh, forget it. That joke sucked anyway.
Sucky joke, but it makes a decent avatar. ;-)