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Title: More proof that the Christian God is real
Post by: Jacob Harrison on July 03, 2018, 05:47:49 pm
So the story of Samuel Kaboo Morris has not convinced you. Well this story hopefully will. It is the story of Rachel Scott. She was one of the victims of the 1999 Columbine school shooting and was a Christian who did good Christian deeds of kindness to people at her school including outcasts. And she had premonitions that she and others were going to die almost a year before. Since God is omniscient, he knew that the two disturbed students were going to cause a horrible massacre. This is what is says on faithwire.com

“Among the most fascinating parts of Scott’s real-life story were the prophetic elements her family discovered in her journals — pictures and comments that seem to show Scott had a feeling or premonition that her life would soon end.

Take, for instance, a picture she drew featuring two eyes crying 13 tears onto a flower; the tears appeared to turn to droplets of blood once they came close to the flower. Scott reportedly drew the picture just before her death.”

“(On) May 2, 1998, (she) said, ‘This will be my last year Lord. I’ve gotten what I can. Thank you,'”

This proves that the Christian God is real and gave her premonitions of her own death.
Title: Re: More proof that the Christian God is real
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on July 03, 2018, 06:12:29 pm
"I'm going to die" is up there with "there will be wars and rumors of wars."

"It will rain" no timetable on that, holy shit I'm a prophet. Profit.
Title: Re: More proof that the Christian God is real
Post by: Jacob Harrison on July 03, 2018, 06:33:55 pm
"I'm going to die" is up there with "there will be wars and rumors of wars."

"It will rain" no timetable on that, holy shit I'm a prophet. Profit.

But she predicted that she would die within a year. That drawing also accurately predicted that 13 people were going to die.
Title: Re: More proof that the Christian God is real
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on July 03, 2018, 06:53:36 pm
So why didn't your omniscient, omnipotent, omnibenevolent god stop the mass shooting?

Or starvation.

Or war.

Or denim-obsessed irritating fundies? Which is actually in Gods best interests as you're actively repelling potential converts with your tired, spurious arguments and disgusting bigotry
Title: Re: More proof that the Christian God is real
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on July 03, 2018, 07:08:49 pm
It's worth mentioning at this point that Rachel Scott's death was exploited by fundamentalist Christians to push a narrative about the mass shooting that had similar levels of accuracy to a lot of "based on a true story" Hollywood epics (https://www.vox.com/culture/2017/4/20/15369442/columbine-anniversary-cassie-bernall-rachel-scott-martyrdom), details were inserted fudged and made to fit the facts and ultimately steered in a direction to what the intended audience where assumed to have wanted.

So yeah, I trust 20/20 hindsight accounts from her diary about as much as I trust RC reports of Stigmata! Edited because her dad's speech to congress sounded fairly sane.
Title: Re: More proof that the Christian God is real
Post by: Jacob Harrison on July 03, 2018, 07:22:12 pm
So why didn't your omniscient, omnipotent, omnibenevolent god stop the mass shooting?

Or starvation.

Or war.

Or denim-obsessed irritating fundies? Which is actually in Gods best interests as you're actively repelling potential converts with your tired, spurious arguments and disgusting bigotry

He didn’t stop the tragedy because as I said before, his omnipotence means having an unlimited amount of all the powers that exist, not powers that don’t exist.
Title: Re: More proof that the Christian God is real
Post by: Lana Reverse on July 03, 2018, 07:24:12 pm
I don't know about the others, but if you wanna convince me a higher power is real, you'll need more than some apparently prophetic journal entries.
Title: Re: More proof that the Christian God is real
Post by: Jacob Harrison on July 03, 2018, 07:28:23 pm
It's worth mentioning at this point that Rachel Scott's death was exploited by fundamentalist Christians to push a narrative about the mass shooting that had similar levels of accuracy to a lot of "based on a true story" Hollywood epics (https://www.vox.com/culture/2017/4/20/15369442/columbine-anniversary-cassie-bernall-rachel-scott-martyrdom), details were inserted fudged and made to fit the facts and ultimately steered in a direction to what the intended audience where assumed to have wanted.

So yeah, I trust 20/20 hindsight accounts from her diary about as much as I trust RC reports of Stigmata! Edited because her dad's speech to congress sounded fairly sane.

Here is an image of her journal proving that the accounts of true. It shows the 13 tears and the 13 drops of blood. https://verticallivingministries.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/13-tears-rs-drawing-columbine.jpg
Title: Re: More proof that the Christian God is real
Post by: ironbite on July 03, 2018, 08:00:58 pm
So why didn't your omniscient, omnipotent, omnibenevolent god stop the mass shooting?

Or starvation.

Or war.

Or denim-obsessed irritating fundies? Which is actually in Gods best interests as you're actively repelling potential converts with your tired, spurious arguments and disgusting bigotry

He didn’t stop the tragedy because as I said before, his omnipotence means having an unlimited amount of all the powers that exist, not powers that don’t exist.

...................................................what?

Ironbite-just go bang your second cousin ok?
Title: Re: More proof that the Christian God is real
Post by: Jacob Harrison on July 03, 2018, 08:15:48 pm
So why didn't your omniscient, omnipotent, omnibenevolent god stop the mass shooting?

Or starvation.

Or war.

Or denim-obsessed irritating fundies? Which is actually in Gods best interests as you're actively repelling potential converts with your tired, spurious arguments and disgusting bigotry

He didn’t stop the tragedy because as I said before, his omnipotence means having an unlimited amount of all the powers that exist, not powers that don’t exist.

...................................................what?

Ironbite-just go bang your second cousin ok?

I am saying that even the omnipotent God can’t stop every tragedy from happening.
Title: Re: More proof that the Christian God is real
Post by: dpareja on July 03, 2018, 09:13:10 pm
So why didn't your omniscient, omnipotent, omnibenevolent god stop the mass shooting?

Or starvation.

Or war.

Or denim-obsessed irritating fundies? Which is actually in Gods best interests as you're actively repelling potential converts with your tired, spurious arguments and disgusting bigotry

He didn’t stop the tragedy because as I said before, his omnipotence means having an unlimited amount of all the powers that exist, not powers that don’t exist.

So... he can't control minds? We're pretty disturbingly close to being able to do that ourselves (or arguably already can).
Title: Re: More proof that the Christian God is real
Post by: Jacob Harrison on July 03, 2018, 09:30:12 pm
So why didn't your omniscient, omnipotent, omnibenevolent god stop the mass shooting?

Or starvation.

Or war.

Or denim-obsessed irritating fundies? Which is actually in Gods best interests as you're actively repelling potential converts with your tired, spurious arguments and disgusting bigotry

He didn’t stop the tragedy because as I said before, his omnipotence means having an unlimited amount of all the powers that exist, not powers that don’t exist.

So... he can't control minds? We're pretty disturbingly close to being able to do that ourselves (or arguably already can).

He can put thoughts into our heads but everyone has the free will to make their own decisions.
Title: Re: More proof that the Christian God is real
Post by: dpareja on July 03, 2018, 10:11:43 pm
So why didn't your omniscient, omnipotent, omnibenevolent god stop the mass shooting?

Or starvation.

Or war.

Or denim-obsessed irritating fundies? Which is actually in Gods best interests as you're actively repelling potential converts with your tired, spurious arguments and disgusting bigotry

He didn’t stop the tragedy because as I said before, his omnipotence means having an unlimited amount of all the powers that exist, not powers that don’t exist.

So... he can't control minds? We're pretty disturbingly close to being able to do that ourselves (or arguably already can).

He can put thoughts into our heads but everyone has the free will to make their own decisions.

So he can (he could make the thoughts he's putting in override whatever you're thinking), he just chooses not to.

Do you see why we say your "God" is abhorrently evil?
Title: Re: More proof that the Christian God is real
Post by: davedan on July 04, 2018, 07:07:21 am
So why didn't your omniscient, omnipotent, omnibenevolent god stop the mass shooting?

Or starvation.

Or war.

Or denim-obsessed irritating fundies? Which is actually in Gods best interests as you're actively repelling potential converts with your tired, spurious arguments and disgusting bigotry

He didn’t stop the tragedy because as I said before, his omnipotence means having an unlimited amount of all the powers that exist, not powers that don’t exist.

...................................................what?

Ironbite-just go bang your second cousin ok?

For things that don't exist, I'm going to take the second cousin for 100 thanks Alex.
Title: Re: More proof that the Christian God is real
Post by: Jacob Harrison on July 04, 2018, 07:48:22 am
So why didn't your omniscient, omnipotent, omnibenevolent god stop the mass shooting?

Or starvation.

Or war.

Or denim-obsessed irritating fundies? Which is actually in Gods best interests as you're actively repelling potential converts with your tired, spurious arguments and disgusting bigotry

He didn’t stop the tragedy because as I said before, his omnipotence means having an unlimited amount of all the powers that exist, not powers that don’t exist.

So... he can't control minds? We're pretty disturbingly close to being able to do that ourselves (or arguably already can).

He can put thoughts into our heads but everyone has the free will to make their own decisions.

So he can (he could make the thoughts he's putting in override whatever you're thinking), he just chooses not to.

Do you see why we say your "God" is abhorrently evil?

No I am saying that even though he can still put thoughts into our heads, he is unable to interfere with the decisions we make based on the thoughts.
Title: Re: More proof that the Christian God is real
Post by: Jacob Harrison on July 04, 2018, 08:11:13 am
It's worth mentioning at this point that Rachel Scott's death was exploited by fundamentalist Christians to push a narrative about the mass shooting that had similar levels of accuracy to a lot of "based on a true story" Hollywood epics (https://www.vox.com/culture/2017/4/20/15369442/columbine-anniversary-cassie-bernall-rachel-scott-martyrdom), details were inserted fudged and made to fit the facts and ultimately steered in a direction to what the intended audience where assumed to have wanted.

So yeah, I trust 20/20 hindsight accounts from her diary about as much as I trust RC reports of Stigmata! Edited because her dad's speech to congress sounded fairly sane.

Here is an image of her journal proving that the accounts of true. It shows the 13 tears and the 13 drops of blood. https://verticallivingministries.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/13-tears-rs-drawing-columbine.jpg

None of you explained this image that proves that she accurately had premonitions that she and 12 other people would die.
Title: Re: More proof that the Christian God is real
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on July 04, 2018, 08:43:47 am
This is:
(https://verticallivingministries.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/13-tears-rs-drawing-columbine.jpg)
An angsty drawing from an angsty teenager, purportedly.

From, er, "vertically living ministries. (https://verticallivingministries.com/)" Surely an online fundie cult barking about "prophecy" wouldn't try to capitalize on a tragedy for their own nefarious ends, surely not.

Tell you what Jake, get together a larger sample size of more than one allegedly prophetic angsty teen doodles, crunch the numbers and give us a percentage of doodles that accurately predicted the future.

And no, typing any combination of 'angsty,' 'teen,' 'cousin,' 'doodle' and/or 'denim' into YouPorn doesn't count!
Title: Re: More proof that the Christian God is real
Post by: Jacob Harrison on July 04, 2018, 09:09:02 am
This is:
(https://verticallivingministries.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/13-tears-rs-drawing-columbine.jpg)
An angsty drawing from an angsty teenager, purportedly.

From, er, "vertically living ministries. (https://verticallivingministries.com/)" Surely an online fundie cult barking about "prophecy" wouldn't try to capitalize on a tragedy for their own nefarious ends, surely not.

Tell you what Jake, get together a larger sample size of more than one allegedly prophetic angsty teen doodles, crunch the numbers and give us a percentage of doodles that accurately predicted the future.

And no, typing any combination of 'angsty,' 'teen,' 'cousin,' 'doodle' and/or 'denim' into YouPorn doesn't count!

That was not the only site that the picture appeared on. That drawing in her diary was discovered by her own family.
Title: Re: More proof that the Christian God is real
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on July 04, 2018, 05:51:33 pm
Who cares? It's an angsty doodle by an angsty teen. It prophecises pimples!
Title: Re: More proof that the Christian God is real
Post by: Jacob Harrison on July 04, 2018, 07:33:50 pm
Who cares? It's an angsty doodle by an angsty teen. It prophecises pimples!

The fact that there are 13 tears that turn into 13 drops of blood, and 13 people died in the shooting, does not convince you that her drawing prophecized the shooting?
Title: Re: More proof that the Christian God is real
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on July 04, 2018, 07:40:45 pm
Who cares? It's an angsty doodle by an angsty teen. It prophecises pimples!

The fact that there are 13 tears that turn into 13 drops of blood, and 13 people died in the shooting, does not convince you that her drawing prophecized the shooting?
Ever heard of Occam's Razor? What's more likely? A kid having unique supernatural powers or a coincidence?

As I said, you have a sample size of one and a correlation. You'll need more to go on I'm afraid.
Title: Re: More proof that the Christian God is real
Post by: Jacob Harrison on July 04, 2018, 08:28:39 pm
Who cares? It's an angsty doodle by an angsty teen. It prophecises pimples!

The fact that there are 13 tears that turn into 13 drops of blood, and 13 people died in the shooting, does not convince you that her drawing prophecized the shooting?
Ever heard of Occam's Razor? What's more likely? A kid having unique supernatural powers or a coincidence?

As I said, you have a sample size of one and a correlation. You'll need more to go on I'm afraid.

I am aware of Occam’s Razor. Rachel having a vision from God is a simpler explanation than her coincidentally making a drawing of 13 drops of blood.
Title: Re: More proof that the Christian God is real
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on July 04, 2018, 08:49:10 pm
You think the simplest explanation for an angsty teen doodle is prophecy?

Uh huh.
Title: Re: More proof that the Christian God is real
Post by: dpareja on July 04, 2018, 08:59:36 pm
You think the simplest explanation for an angsty teen doodle is prophecy?

Uh huh.

Occam's Razor: "Do not multiply entities unnecessarily."

Assuming God multiplies entities unnecessarily.
Title: Re: More proof that the Christian God is real
Post by: Jacob Harrison on July 04, 2018, 09:08:16 pm
You think the simplest explanation for an angsty teen doodle is prophecy?

Uh huh.

Well what other explanation could there be for 13 drops of blood being drawn by someone who along with 12 others died.
Title: Re: More proof that the Christian God is real
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on July 04, 2018, 09:16:23 pm
Teen angst.
Title: Re: More proof that the Christian God is real
Post by: Jacob Harrison on July 04, 2018, 09:30:51 pm
Teen angst.

Well she wrote about her teen angst in her diary. How would teen angst cause her to draw a picture of 13 tears hitting a flower and turning into 13 drops of blood. And it was also drawn on the day she and the other 12 people died.
Title: Re: More proof that the Christian God is real
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on July 04, 2018, 09:57:47 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/8QekZc3.jpg)

Done and done.

TEEN ANGST!
Title: Re: More proof that the Christian God is real
Post by: Jacob Harrison on July 04, 2018, 10:10:39 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/8QekZc3.jpg)

Done and done.

TEEN ANGST!

The diagonal lighter drops are the teardrops. The darker vertical drops are the drops of blood. You counted 4 of the darker vertical drops.

This night, my prayers that you and other people here will convert to Christianity will come true.
Title: Re: More proof that the Christian God is real
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on July 04, 2018, 10:19:27 pm
I also charitably counted what appears to be an extension of the squiggly line near the eye as a teardrop. It's most likely a decidedly non prophetic squiggle probably caused by her long suffering teacher instructing her to stop mucking about and get back to work, Sasha making unexpected raspberry noises or the hot boy in the third row.

How does blood drip from a rose when it's suspended above the plant again?
Title: Re: More proof that the Christian God is real
Post by: Jacob Harrison on July 04, 2018, 10:32:32 pm
I also charitably counted what appears to be an extension of the squiggly line near the eye as a teardrop. It's most likely a decidedly non prophetic squiggle probably caused by her long suffering teacher instructing her to stop mucking about and get back to work, Sasha making unexpected raspberry noises or the hot boy in the third row.

How does blood drip from a rose when it's suspended above the plant again?

Ok I made a mistake, the blood drips down the rose not from the rose. But if you count the vertical blood drops, it is 13. And including that squiggle, the tears are 13. Why it is a squiggle is probably because the shooters came outside to where she was, right when she was finishing the drawing.
Title: Re: More proof that the Christian God is real
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on July 04, 2018, 10:40:50 pm
Drop 4 is T shaped and points straight down!

Did she cut herself shaving Jacob?
Title: Re: More proof that the Christian God is real
Post by: dpareja on July 04, 2018, 10:48:47 pm
Remember that Occam's Razor says, "Do not multiply entities unnecessarily."

There are so many underlying assumptions built into the assumption of God (and if you're a presuppositionalist, fuck off you ignorant moron) that the assumption of God multiplies entities so much that any naturalistic explanation will not do as much.
Title: Re: More proof that the Christian God is real
Post by: Jacob Harrison on July 04, 2018, 11:08:48 pm
Drop 4 is T shaped and points straight down!

Did she cut herself shaving Jacob?

As I said I think that she panicked when she was drawing that last tear while seeing the shooters come out.
Title: Re: More proof that the Christian God is real
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on July 04, 2018, 11:15:02 pm
You "think?" I thought you said you had "proof."

Speculation is not proof, ask a lawyer. It isn't evidence either, ask a biologist.

Give up kid, you're embarrassing yourself!
Title: Re: More proof that the Christian God is real
Post by: Jacob Harrison on July 04, 2018, 11:17:25 pm
Remember that Occam's Razor says, "Do not multiply entities unnecessarily."

There are so many underlying assumptions built into the assumption of God (and if you're a presuppositionalist, fuck off you ignorant moron) that the assumption of God multiplies entities so much that any naturalistic explanation will not do as much.

I already explained how God is omnipotent, omnicient and omnipresent on my site. http://jacobharrisonanglocatholicsociety.blogspot.com/2018/06/how-god-can-be-omnipotent-omniscient.html
Title: Re: More proof that the Christian God is real
Post by: Jacob Harrison on July 04, 2018, 11:22:27 pm
You "think?" I thought you said you had "proof."

Speculation is not proof, ask a lawyer. It isn't evidence either, ask a biologist.

Give up kid, you're embarrassing yourself!

Well other distractions could have caused the squiggle. It does not change the fact that she was drawing a 13th teardrop when her pencil slipped. And it does not change the fact that the number of drops of blood is accurately 13.
Title: Re: More proof that the Christian God is real
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on July 04, 2018, 11:24:42 pm
But it's not a fact.

You "think" it's a fact. It's mere speculation on your part.
Title: Re: More proof that the Christian God is real
Post by: Kanzenkankaku on July 05, 2018, 12:00:46 am
Teen angst.

Well she wrote about her teen angst in her diary. How would teen angst cause her to draw a picture of 13 tears hitting a flower and turning into 13 drops of blood. And it was also drawn on the day she and the other 12 people died.

Gee its not like 13 is an infamously edgy 'bad luck' number that permeates our culture or anything.
Title: Re: More proof that the Christian God is real
Post by: Kanzenkankaku on July 05, 2018, 12:01:39 am
Also including both perpetrators 15 total people died.
Title: Re: More proof that the Christian God is real
Post by: Jacob Harrison on July 05, 2018, 08:42:37 am
Teen angst.

Well she wrote about her teen angst in her diary. How would teen angst cause her to draw a picture of 13 tears hitting a flower and turning into 13 drops of blood. And it was also drawn on the day she and the other 12 people died.

Gee its not like 13 is an infamously edgy 'bad luck' number that permeates our culture or anything.

But 13 drops of blood indicates death. And as I said before, it was drawn on the day of the massacre.
Title: Re: More proof that the Christian God is real
Post by: Jacob Harrison on July 05, 2018, 08:43:28 am
Also including both perpetrators 15 total people died.

The perpetrators committed suicide. 13 people were murdered.
Title: Re: More proof that the Christian God is real
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on July 05, 2018, 05:20:14 pm
Teen angst.

Well she wrote about her teen angst in her diary. How would teen angst cause her to draw a picture of 13 tears hitting a flower and turning into 13 drops of blood. And it was also drawn on the day she and the other 12 people died.

Gee its not like 13 is an infamously edgy 'bad luck' number that permeates our culture or anything.

But 13 drops of blood indicates death. And as I said before, it was drawn on the day of the massacre.
And 12 drops plus a T shaped squiggle says "R'LyehCthulhuFthagn" if you spell it phonetically, in a certain way.
Title: Re: More proof that the Christian God is real
Post by: Art Vandelay on July 05, 2018, 08:52:50 pm
So, I'm a little curious. Let's assume for a moment that Jacob here is right, and that this girl sketched a pair of disembodied eyes crying onto a flower before getting shot because Jesus Magic. Of all the things an all-powerful, all-knowing god could possibly do right before a couple of loonies shot a bunch of kids, why would he go with making a girl draw something only people who buy into numerology would argue has anything to do with the shooting, instead of, oh I don't know, actually stopping the shooting?
Title: Re: More proof that the Christian God is real
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on July 05, 2018, 09:03:54 pm
So, I'm a little curious. Let's assume for a moment that Jacob here is right, and that this girl sketched a pair of disembodied eyes crying onto a flower before getting shot because Jesus Magic. Of all the things an all-powerful, all-knowing god could possibly do right before a couple of loonies shot a bunch of kids, why would he go with making a girl draw something only people who buy into numerology would argue has anything to do with the shooting, instead of, oh I don't know, actually stopping the shooting?
Maybe just all caps writing that says two lunatics are plotting a massacre, their names, addresses and the time and place of the planned incident, shit-write it in Aramaic, Greek or Pig Latin. It'd still be more effective!
Title: Re: More proof that the Christian God is real
Post by: Jacob Harrison on July 05, 2018, 09:38:47 pm
So, I'm a little curious. Let's assume for a moment that Jacob here is right, and that this girl sketched a pair of disembodied eyes crying onto a flower before getting shot because Jesus Magic. Of all the things an all-powerful, all-knowing god could possibly do right before a couple of loonies shot a bunch of kids, why would he go with making a girl draw something only people who buy into numerology would argue has anything to do with the shooting, instead of, oh I don't know, actually stopping the shooting?
Maybe just all caps writing that says two lunatics are plotting a massacre, their names, addresses and the time and place of the planned incident, shit-write it in Aramaic, Greek or Pig Latin. It'd still be more effective!

Well if she drew that, people would still not believe her. Since God’s omnipotence includes the powers that exist, not the powers that don’t exist, he decided that since he couldn’t stop the tragedy, he would give her visions to make her draw it so that it would be used to convert people to Christianity.
Title: Re: More proof that the Christian God is real
Post by: Art Vandelay on July 05, 2018, 09:54:36 pm
Yeah, if he can magically heal people and even raise the dead (all shit that happened in the Bible), he can stop a couple of trigger-happy nutjobs. Even if you buy that not being able to stop a couple of kids with guns qualifies as omnipotent (which it doesn't), he at the very least could've brought everyone who died back to life. Not to mention, even you have to admit that would've been a far more compelling argument for his existence than a shitty little doodle in some emo kid's notebook.
Title: Re: More proof that the Christian God is real
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on July 05, 2018, 09:55:02 pm
Writing a clear message in all caps is a power that doesn't exist?

Are you familiar with this thing called "the internet?"
Title: Re: More proof that the Christian God is real
Post by: Jacob Harrison on July 05, 2018, 10:10:00 pm
Yeah, if he can magically heal people and even raise the dead (all shit that happened in the Bible), he can stop a couple of trigger-happy nutjobs. Even if you buy that not being able to stop a couple of kids with guns qualifies as omnipotent (which it doesn't), he at the very least could've brought everyone who died back to life. Not to mention, even you have to admit that would've been a far more compelling argument for his existence than a shitty little doodle in some emo kid's notebook.

He was busy doing those things all around the world at the time the shooters were plotting the massacre. You have to be in the CLOSE presence of Jesus Christ to be risen from the dead or it can be done through a Patriarch.
Title: Re: More proof that the Christian God is real
Post by: Jacob Harrison on July 05, 2018, 10:11:03 pm
Writing a clear message in all caps is a power that doesn't exist?

Are you familiar with this thing called "the internet?"

It is a power that exists, however as I said, people wouldn’t believe her.
Title: Re: More proof that the Christian God is real
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on July 05, 2018, 10:18:06 pm
1. Heard of swatting? It works because if the cops in any US police station get wind of a potentially violent situation even from an anonymous source the respond promptly and armed to the teeth.

2. An onmipotent being can't be overextended, it's an oxymoron
Title: Re: More proof that the Christian God is real
Post by: Jacob Harrison on July 05, 2018, 10:41:15 pm
1. Heard of swatting? It works because if the cops in any US police station get wind of a potentially violent situation even from an anonymous source the respond promptly and armed to the teeth.

2. An onmipotent being can't be overextended, it's an oxymoron

God had the power to give her premonitions of what was going to happen but did not have the power to tell her how to express the visions.
Title: Re: More proof that the Christian God is real
Post by: Art Vandelay on July 05, 2018, 10:43:00 pm
1. Heard of swatting? It works because if the cops in any US police station get wind of a potentially violent situation even from an anonymous source the respond promptly and armed to the teeth.

2. An onmipotent being can't be overextended, it's an oxymoron

God had the power to give her premonitions of what was going to happen but did not have the power to tell her how to express the visions.

That's completely and utterly useless now isn't it? Remind me why you feel the need to worship this fellow, again?
Title: Re: More proof that the Christian God is real
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on July 05, 2018, 10:53:12 pm
An all powerful all seeing entity can't communicate a clear warning in a clear manner to it's intended audience? And limited, mortal, squishy humans can? Huh?

So God is less powerful than a chatbot or an automated teleophone queue? Less powerful than a hungry cat or a playful dog?

Huh!
Title: Re: More proof that the Christian God is real
Post by: Svata on July 06, 2018, 02:15:38 am
God: Objectively less powerful than someone shouting.
Title: Re: More proof that the Christian God is real
Post by: Jacob Harrison on July 06, 2018, 09:22:04 am
An all powerful all seeing entity can't communicate a clear warning in a clear manner to it's intended audience? And limited, mortal, squishy humans can? Huh?

So God is less powerful than a chatbot or an automated teleophone queue? Less powerful than a hungry cat or a playful dog?

Huh!

He can and it was done in the Old Testament. However there wasn’t enough time to stop the shooting. She drew the picture right before the shooting, so if she shouted about it at that point, it would have been too late.
Title: Re: More proof that the Christian God is real
Post by: Art Vandelay on July 06, 2018, 11:07:40 am
An all powerful all seeing entity can't communicate a clear warning in a clear manner to it's intended audience? And limited, mortal, squishy humans can? Huh?

So God is less powerful than a chatbot or an automated teleophone queue? Less powerful than a hungry cat or a playful dog?

Huh!

He can and it was done in the Old Testament. However there wasn’t enough time to stop the shooting. She drew the picture right before the shooting, so if she shouted about it at that point, it would have been too late.

Say, didn't you say earlier that God exists outside of time? Even if he didn't, let me remind you that he's omniscient. What, are you saying he's a chronic procrastinator?
Title: Re: More proof that the Christian God is real
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on July 06, 2018, 11:26:17 am
An all powerful all seeing entity can't communicate a clear warning in a clear manner to it's intended audience? And limited, mortal, squishy humans can? Huh?

So God is less powerful than a chatbot or an automated teleophone queue? Less powerful than a hungry cat or a playful dog?

Huh!

He can and it was done in the Old Testament. However there wasn’t enough time to stop the shooting. She drew the picture right before the shooting, so if she shouted about it at that point, it would have been too late.
In the OT God just goes down and talks to people, that's what he did to Job - for bloody hours to tell him how awesome he was and that's why he shouldn't be bitching about how he unleashed the devil to fuck his life because the two are connected, somehow.

If he can rant at Job about how awesome he is to some poor homeless slob he ruined by allowing a psycho to kill his family and destroy his livelihood then surely he can tell a teenager to watch out for a couple of bloody gunmen!
Title: Re: More proof that the Christian God is real
Post by: Jacob Harrison on July 06, 2018, 02:52:03 pm
An all powerful all seeing entity can't communicate a clear warning in a clear manner to it's intended audience? And limited, mortal, squishy humans can? Huh?

So God is less powerful than a chatbot or an automated teleophone queue? Less powerful than a hungry cat or a playful dog?

Huh!

He can and it was done in the Old Testament. However there wasn’t enough time to stop the shooting. She drew the picture right before the shooting, so if she shouted about it at that point, it would have been too late.

Say, didn't you say earlier that God exists outside of time? Even if he didn't, let me remind you that he's omniscient. What, are you saying he's a chronic procrastinator?

He is beyond time because he keeps traveling through all the wormholes from the beginning of the universe till the day Christ returns. However the Holy Spirit Part of him is omnipresent by traveling the speed of light throughout the universe using the 11 dimensions of string theory to try his best to help everyone and convert people so that in most cases, he does not have enough time to stop.
Title: Re: More proof that the Christian God is real
Post by: Skybison on July 06, 2018, 07:33:34 pm
Jacob how do you know she got her prophecy from the christian God and not Allah? Or Bhudda? Or Brahma? Or Zeus? Or Odin? Or Ra? Or Enlil? Or Huitzilopochtli? Or Haruhi? Or Princess Celestia? Or Arceus? Or The Great Pumpkin? Or....
Title: Re: More proof that the Christian God is real
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on July 06, 2018, 08:07:15 pm
Er, which book in the bible is String Theory in again? Or did you pull that out of a different region of spacetime!
Title: Re: More proof that the Christian God is real
Post by: Jacob Harrison on July 06, 2018, 08:26:07 pm
Er, which book in the bible is String Theory in again? Or did you pull that out of a different region of spacetime!

Well the Bible does not explain the physics of how the universe works, but now that things such as quantum mechanics and string theory are being observed, we have a better understanding of it.

Strodinger’s cat explains how God is beyond time yet we still have the free will to influence the future and our fate. God knows all the possibilities of the future but our decisions cause the wavefunction to collapse.
Title: Re: More proof that the Christian God is real
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on July 06, 2018, 08:33:46 pm
Er, which book in the bible is String Theory in again? Or did you pull that out of a different region of spacetime!

Well the Bible does not explain the physics of how the universe works, but now that things such as quantum mechanics and string theory are being observed, we have a better understanding of it.

Strodinger’s cat explains how God is beyond time yet we still have the free will to influence the future and our fate. God knows all the possibilities of the future but our decisions cause the wavefunction to collapse.
You do know that String Theory is merely one of the best hypothetical models to reconcile the Theory of Relativity and Quantum Mechanics, there isn't any direct empirical evidence for it and there are competing theories like Quantum Loop Gravity that also do a reasonable job.  And Schrodinger's Cat is an often misunderstood analogy for what happens at the quantum level which is kinda small.

And I see a string, possibly, in that picture but String Theory doesn't explain your wild conjectures about teen doodles and prophecy.
Title: Re: More proof that the Christian God is real
Post by: Jacob Harrison on July 06, 2018, 09:01:47 pm
Er, which book in the bible is String Theory in again? Or did you pull that out of a different region of spacetime!

Well the Bible does not explain the physics of how the universe works, but now that things such as quantum mechanics and string theory are being observed, we have a better understanding of it.

Strodinger’s cat explains how God is beyond time yet we still have the free will to influence the future and our fate. God knows all the possibilities of the future but our decisions cause the wavefunction to collapse.
You do know that String Theory is merely one of the best hypothetical models to reconcile the Theory of Relativity and Quantum Mechanics, there isn't any direct empirical evidence for it and there are competing theories like Quantum Loop Gravity that also do a reasonable job.  And Schrodinger's Cat is an often misunderstood analogy for what happens at the quantum level which is kinda small.

And I see a string, possibly, in that picture but String Theory doesn't explain your wild conjectures about teen doodles and prophecy.

Well I guess that God’s omnipresence is proof of String theory, because the wormholes he time travels in are far away from the Earth, so he needs 7 other dimensions as a shortcut if he travels the speed of light.
Title: Re: More proof that the Christian God is real
Post by: dpareja on July 06, 2018, 09:13:01 pm
Er, which book in the bible is String Theory in again? Or did you pull that out of a different region of spacetime!

Well the Bible does not explain the physics of how the universe works, but now that things such as quantum mechanics and string theory are being observed, we have a better understanding of it.

Strodinger’s cat explains how God is beyond time yet we still have the free will to influence the future and our fate. God knows all the possibilities of the future but our decisions cause the wavefunction to collapse.
You do know that String Theory is merely one of the best hypothetical models to reconcile the Theory of Relativity and Quantum Mechanics, there isn't any direct empirical evidence for it and there are competing theories like Quantum Loop Gravity that also do a reasonable job.  And Schrodinger's Cat is an often misunderstood analogy for what happens at the quantum level which is kinda small.

And I see a string, possibly, in that picture but String Theory doesn't explain your wild conjectures about teen doodles and prophecy.

Well I guess that God’s omnipresence is proof of String theory, because the wormholes he time travels in are far away from the Earth, so he needs 7 other dimensions as a shortcut if he travels the speed of light.

And where does the Bible mention wormholes?
Title: Re: More proof that the Christian God is real
Post by: Jacob Harrison on July 06, 2018, 09:16:14 pm
Er, which book in the bible is String Theory in again? Or did you pull that out of a different region of spacetime!

Well the Bible does not explain the physics of how the universe works, but now that things such as quantum mechanics and string theory are being observed, we have a better understanding of it.

Strodinger’s cat explains how God is beyond time yet we still have the free will to influence the future and our fate. God knows all the possibilities of the future but our decisions cause the wavefunction to collapse.
You do know that String Theory is merely one of the best hypothetical models to reconcile the Theory of Relativity and Quantum Mechanics, there isn't any direct empirical evidence for it and there are competing theories like Quantum Loop Gravity that also do a reasonable job.  And Schrodinger's Cat is an often misunderstood analogy for what happens at the quantum level which is kinda small.

And I see a string, possibly, in that picture but String Theory doesn't explain your wild conjectures about teen doodles and prophecy.

Well I guess that God’s omnipresence is proof of String theory, because the wormholes he time travels in are far away from the Earth, so he needs 7 other dimensions as a shortcut if he travels the speed of light.

And where does the Bible mention wormholes?

It does not because people at that time did not understand the concept of wormholes. However today, wormholes are said to be the only way that time travel is possible.
Title: Re: More proof that the Christian God is real
Post by: dpareja on July 06, 2018, 09:20:17 pm
Er, which book in the bible is String Theory in again? Or did you pull that out of a different region of spacetime!

Well the Bible does not explain the physics of how the universe works, but now that things such as quantum mechanics and string theory are being observed, we have a better understanding of it.

Strodinger’s cat explains how God is beyond time yet we still have the free will to influence the future and our fate. God knows all the possibilities of the future but our decisions cause the wavefunction to collapse.
You do know that String Theory is merely one of the best hypothetical models to reconcile the Theory of Relativity and Quantum Mechanics, there isn't any direct empirical evidence for it and there are competing theories like Quantum Loop Gravity that also do a reasonable job.  And Schrodinger's Cat is an often misunderstood analogy for what happens at the quantum level which is kinda small.

And I see a string, possibly, in that picture but String Theory doesn't explain your wild conjectures about teen doodles and prophecy.

Well I guess that God’s omnipresence is proof of String theory, because the wormholes he time travels in are far away from the Earth, so he needs 7 other dimensions as a shortcut if he travels the speed of light.

And where does the Bible mention wormholes?

It does not because people at that time did not understand the concept of wormholes. However today, wormholes are said to be the only way that time travel is possible.

So the Bible doesn't mention wormholes, it doesn't mention anything close to our current theoretical understanding of them, it doesn't mention (AFAIK) that God can travel through time in any way, oh, and we don't actually know that wormholes are the only possible means of time travel.

(If you're willing to settle for a one-way trip into the future, you can just accelerate yourself to near the speed of light, after all.)
Title: Re: More proof that the Christian God is real
Post by: Jacob Harrison on July 06, 2018, 09:37:39 pm
Er, which book in the bible is String Theory in again? Or did you pull that out of a different region of spacetime!

Well the Bible does not explain the physics of how the universe works, but now that things such as quantum mechanics and string theory are being observed, we have a better understanding of it.

Strodinger’s cat explains how God is beyond time yet we still have the free will to influence the future and our fate. God knows all the possibilities of the future but our decisions cause the wavefunction to collapse.
You do know that String Theory is merely one of the best hypothetical models to reconcile the Theory of Relativity and Quantum Mechanics, there isn't any direct empirical evidence for it and there are competing theories like Quantum Loop Gravity that also do a reasonable job.  And Schrodinger's Cat is an often misunderstood analogy for what happens at the quantum level which is kinda small.

And I see a string, possibly, in that picture but String Theory doesn't explain your wild conjectures about teen doodles and prophecy.

Well I guess that God’s omnipresence is proof of String theory, because the wormholes he time travels in are far away from the Earth, so he needs 7 other dimensions as a shortcut if he travels the speed of light.

And where does the Bible mention wormholes?

It does not because people at that time did not understand the concept of wormholes. However today, wormholes are said to be the only way that time travel is possible.

So the Bible doesn't mention wormholes, it doesn't mention anything close to our current theoretical understanding of them, it doesn't mention (AFAIK) that God can travel through time in any way, oh, and we don't actually know that wormholes are the only possible means of time travel.

(If you're willing to settle for a one-way trip into the future, you can just accelerate yourself to near the speed of light, after all.)

Well God has to travel through time for him to be beyond time and to not require a cause. I do not have the answers to all the divine mysteries, but I try my best to speculate and try to reconcile science and Christianity.
Title: Re: More proof that the Christian God is real
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on July 06, 2018, 09:46:43 pm
OK, story of Sodom in the book of Genesis 18-19, God needs to send his angels on a fact finding/city smiting mission -which you wouldn't need to do if you had access to instantaneous wormholes giving you a 24/7 view of everything going on in the cosmos.

FFS Jacob, they are iron age stories written by iron age people. They didn't know about wormholes, it's doubtful they even knew the Earth was round. Most moderate Christians, Muslims and Jews merely say the words were inspired by God because they know full well these people didn't have access to modern ideas about physics or cosmology. In fact they knew a hell of a lot less than other contemporaneous civilisations in no small part due to the fact that they were a small time, not very learned nation of people.
Title: Re: More proof that the Christian God is real
Post by: Jacob Harrison on July 06, 2018, 10:04:56 pm
OK, story of Sodom in the book of Genesis 18-19, God needs to send his angels on a fact finding/city smiting mission -which you wouldn't need to do if you had access to instantaneous wormholes giving you a 24/7 view of everything going on in the cosmos.

FFS Jacob, they are iron age stories written by iron age people. They didn't know about wormholes, it's doubtful they even knew the Earth was round. Most moderate Christians, Muslims and Jews merely say the words were inspired by God because they know full well these people didn't have access to modern ideas about physics or cosmology. In fact they knew a hell of a lot less than other contemporaneous civilisations in no small part due to the fact that they were a small time, not very learned nation of people.

It wasn’t until the Holy Spirit part of God came down upon the Earth after Christ’s accession that God became omnipresent. It is the Holy Spirit that travels all around.
Title: Re: More proof that the Christian God is real
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on July 06, 2018, 10:29:49 pm
OK, story of Sodom in the book of Genesis 18-19, God needs to send his angels on a fact finding/city smiting mission -which you wouldn't need to do if you had access to instantaneous wormholes giving you a 24/7 view of everything going on in the cosmos.

FFS Jacob, they are iron age stories written by iron age people. They didn't know about wormholes, it's doubtful they even knew the Earth was round. Most moderate Christians, Muslims and Jews merely say the words were inspired by God because they know full well these people didn't have access to modern ideas about physics or cosmology. In fact they knew a hell of a lot less than other contemporaneous civilisations in no small part due to the fact that they were a small time, not very learned nation of people.

It wasn’t until the Holy Spirit part of God came down upon the Earth after Christ’s accession that God became omnipresent. It is the Holy Spirit that travels all around.
Unbiblical and you know it.

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Jeremiah 23:24 “Can a man hide himself in secret places so that I cannot see him? declares the Lord. Do I not fill heaven and earth?"

Job 34:21 “For his eyes are on the ways of a man, and he sees all his steps.”

Proverbs 15:3 “The eyes of the Lord are in every place, keeping watch on the evil and the good.”

Hebrews 4:13 “And no creature is hidden from his sight, but all are naked and exposed to the eyes of him to whom we must give account.”

All OT, call yourself a Christian!
Title: Re: More proof that the Christian God is real
Post by: dpareja on July 06, 2018, 11:45:15 pm
Hebrews is New Testament. (Other three are Old though.)
Title: Re: More proof that the Christian God is real
Post by: Jacob Harrison on July 07, 2018, 08:33:43 am
OK, story of Sodom in the book of Genesis 18-19, God needs to send his angels on a fact finding/city smiting mission -which you wouldn't need to do if you had access to instantaneous wormholes giving you a 24/7 view of everything going on in the cosmos.

FFS Jacob, they are iron age stories written by iron age people. They didn't know about wormholes, it's doubtful they even knew the Earth was round. Most moderate Christians, Muslims and Jews merely say the words were inspired by God because they know full well these people didn't have access to modern ideas about physics or cosmology. In fact they knew a hell of a lot less than other contemporaneous civilisations in no small part due to the fact that they were a small time, not very learned nation of people.

It wasn’t until the Holy Spirit part of God came down upon the Earth after Christ’s accession that God became omnipresent. It is the Holy Spirit that travels all around.
Unbiblical and you know it.

Quote
Jeremiah 23:24 “Can a man hide himself in secret places so that I cannot see him? declares the Lord. Do I not fill heaven and earth?"

Job 34:21 “For his eyes are on the ways of a man, and he sees all his steps.”

Proverbs 15:3 “The eyes of the Lord are in every place, keeping watch on the evil and the good.”

Hebrews 4:13 “And no creature is hidden from his sight, but all are naked and exposed to the eyes of him to whom we must give account.”

All OT, call yourself a Christian!

O Lord. Forgive me for making a heretical unbiblical claim. Forgive me for not studying the Old Testament.

In the case of Sodom, God paused his omnipresent traveling when talking to Abraham and also needed
to pause it when preparing to rain fire upon the city which is why he needed to send Angels to see if there were any righteous people in Sodom.
Title: Re: More proof that the Christian God is real
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on July 07, 2018, 09:12:32 pm
OK, story of Sodom in the book of Genesis 18-19, God needs to send his angels on a fact finding/city smiting mission -which you wouldn't need to do if you had access to instantaneous wormholes giving you a 24/7 view of everything going on in the cosmos.

FFS Jacob, they are iron age stories written by iron age people. They didn't know about wormholes, it's doubtful they even knew the Earth was round. Most moderate Christians, Muslims and Jews merely say the words were inspired by God because they know full well these people didn't have access to modern ideas about physics or cosmology. In fact they knew a hell of a lot less than other contemporaneous civilisations in no small part due to the fact that they were a small time, not very learned nation of people.

It wasn’t until the Holy Spirit part of God came down upon the Earth after Christ’s accession that God became omnipresent. It is the Holy Spirit that travels all around.
Unbiblical and you know it.

Quote
Jeremiah 23:24 “Can a man hide himself in secret places so that I cannot see him? declares the Lord. Do I not fill heaven and earth?"

Job 34:21 “For his eyes are on the ways of a man, and he sees all his steps.”

Proverbs 15:3 “The eyes of the Lord are in every place, keeping watch on the evil and the good.”

Hebrews 4:13 “And no creature is hidden from his sight, but all are naked and exposed to the eyes of him to whom we must give account.”

All OT, call yourself a Christian!

O Lord. Forgive me for making a heretical unbiblical claim. Forgive me for not studying the Old Testament.

In the case of Sodom, God paused his omnipresent traveling when talking to Abraham and also needed
to pause it when preparing to rain fire upon the city which is why he needed to send Angels to see if there were any righteous people in Sodom.
Seriously, what's the point? An omni-everything doesn't need to pause for thought because he knows the answer already.
Well God has to travel through time for him to be beyond time and to not require a cause. I do not have the answers to all the divine mysteries, but I try my best to speculate and try to reconcile science and Christianity.
So, when you say "proof" what you mean is "speculation." Yeah, that's what I thought.
Title: Re: More proof that the Christian God is real
Post by: dpareja on July 07, 2018, 11:23:12 pm
Well, by "truth" he means "stuff someone else pulled out of his"--of course it's his--"ass and I refuse to question".
Title: Re: More proof that the Christian God is real
Post by: Kanzenkankaku on July 08, 2018, 05:08:28 am
With every post Jake makes the more bizarre his interpretation of his own professed religion becomes.
Title: Re: More proof that the Christian God is real
Post by: Jacob Harrison on July 08, 2018, 08:48:52 am
OK, story of Sodom in the book of Genesis 18-19, God needs to send his angels on a fact finding/city smiting mission -which you wouldn't need to do if you had access to instantaneous wormholes giving you a 24/7 view of everything going on in the cosmos.

FFS Jacob, they are iron age stories written by iron age people. They didn't know about wormholes, it's doubtful they even knew the Earth was round. Most moderate Christians, Muslims and Jews merely say the words were inspired by God because they know full well these people didn't have access to modern ideas about physics or cosmology. In fact they knew a hell of a lot less than other contemporaneous civilisations in no small part due to the fact that they were a small time, not very learned nation of people.

It wasn’t until the Holy Spirit part of God came down upon the Earth after Christ’s accession that God became omnipresent. It is the Holy Spirit that travels all around.
Unbiblical and you know it.

Quote
Jeremiah 23:24 “Can a man hide himself in secret places so that I cannot see him? declares the Lord. Do I not fill heaven and earth?"

Job 34:21 “For his eyes are on the ways of a man, and he sees all his steps.”

Proverbs 15:3 “The eyes of the Lord are in every place, keeping watch on the evil and the good.”

Hebrews 4:13 “And no creature is hidden from his sight, but all are naked and exposed to the eyes of him to whom we must give account.”

All OT, call yourself a Christian!

O Lord. Forgive me for making a heretical unbiblical claim. Forgive me for not studying the Old Testament.

In the case of Sodom, God paused his omnipresent traveling when talking to Abraham and also needed
to pause it when preparing to rain fire upon the city which is why he needed to send Angels to see if there were any righteous people in Sodom.
Seriously, what's the point? An omni-everything doesn't need to pause for thought because he knows the answer already.
Well God has to travel through time for him to be beyond time and to not require a cause. I do not have the answers to all the divine mysteries, but I try my best to speculate and try to reconcile science and Christianity.
So, when you say "proof" what you mean is "speculation." Yeah, that's what I thought.

He’s omniscient because he’s omnipresent, so when he pauses his omnipresence, he temporarily loses his omniscience.
Title: Re: More proof that the Christian God is real
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on July 08, 2018, 04:53:08 pm
Or so you speculate, right?
Title: Re: More proof that the Christian God is real
Post by: Jacob Harrison on July 08, 2018, 05:36:18 pm
Or so you speculate, right?

Well it’s the explanation that makes the most sense and prevents contradiction
Title: Re: More proof that the Christian God is real
Post by: Skybison on July 08, 2018, 05:38:42 pm
Does God their when I use the bathroom?  If so does that make him a pervert?
Title: Re: More proof that the Christian God is real
Post by: Jacob Harrison on July 08, 2018, 05:47:24 pm
Does God their when I use the bathroom?  If so does that make him a pervert?

He’s not a pervert he is just watching to see if you commit the sin of masturbation while using the bathroom to see how much sins you must do penance for before you die and if you die without doing penance for your venial sins, you will do pennance in purgatory.
Title: Re: More proof that the Christian God is real
Post by: dpareja on July 08, 2018, 05:48:14 pm
Does God their when I use the bathroom?  If so does that make him a pervert?

He’s not a pervert he is just watching to see if you commit the sin of masturbation while using the bathroom to see how much sins you must do penance for before you die and if you die without doing penance for your venial sins, you will do pennance in purgatory.

So... God watches to see if you jack off?

Pervert.
Title: Re: More proof that the Christian God is real
Post by: Jacob Harrison on July 08, 2018, 05:53:28 pm
Does God their when I use the bathroom?  If so does that make him a pervert?

He’s not a pervert he is just watching to see if you commit the sin of masturbation while using the bathroom to see how much sins you must do penance for before you die and if you die without doing penance for your venial sins, you will do pennance in purgatory.

So... God watches to see if you jack off?

Pervert.

He is not a pervert. He just knows that it is a sin. He also watches you when you shower, and change because he wants to see if you repent and pray to him, and to protect Christians.
Title: Re: More proof that the Christian God is real
Post by: Skybison on July 08, 2018, 05:56:35 pm
Direct Question: If I was spying on you when you were showering without your permission to "protect" you, would you consider me a pervert?

If yes, why is god different?

If no, why not?
Title: Re: More proof that the Christian God is real
Post by: Jacob Harrison on July 08, 2018, 05:57:59 pm
Direct Question: If I was spying on you when you were showering without your permission to "protect" you, would you consider me a pervert?

If yes, why is god different?

If no, why not?

God is different because he’s asexual.
Title: Re: More proof that the Christian God is real
Post by: Skybison on July 08, 2018, 06:00:29 pm
So you'd be okay with asexual humans watching you while you shower without your permission?
Title: Re: More proof that the Christian God is real
Post by: Jacob Harrison on July 08, 2018, 06:27:57 pm
So you'd be okay with asexual humans watching you while you shower without your permission?

No because they are not omnipotent so they can’t answer my prayers.
Title: Re: More proof that the Christian God is real
Post by: dpareja on July 08, 2018, 06:32:49 pm
So you'd be okay with asexual humans watching you while you shower without your permission?

No because they are not omnipotent so they can’t answer my prayers.

And how often have your prayers been answered?
Title: Re: More proof that the Christian God is real
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on July 08, 2018, 06:50:08 pm
Hey Jacob, out of the things you've stated that you want on this board, how many have you prayed for?


If so, how's that working out for you?
Title: Re: More proof that the Christian God is real
Post by: Skybison on July 08, 2018, 06:53:29 pm
Why can't God answer prayers without being a pervert/stalker?
Title: Re: More proof that the Christian God is real
Post by: Jacob Harrison on July 08, 2018, 07:00:22 pm
Hey Jacob, out of the things you've stated that you want on this board, how many have you prayed for?

  • For us to accept your version of Christianity
  • For us to accept your proof of God
  • For us to agree with your view on Star Wars
  • For us to agree with your views on British politics
  • For you to find a willing bride here
  • For you to convince us that conversion therapy is good
  • For you to convince us that the blowing up of the fictional planet Alderaan was good
  • For someone to remove your testicals

If so, how's that working out for you?

The first two.
Title: Re: More proof that the Christian God is real
Post by: Jacob Harrison on July 08, 2018, 07:01:07 pm
Why can't God answer prayers without being a pervert/stalker?

Because he needs to be present for the prayer to be answered.
Title: Re: More proof that the Christian God is real
Post by: Skybison on July 08, 2018, 07:02:37 pm
Can't he just wait in the next room or something.  He should still be able to hear it.
Title: Re: More proof that the Christian God is real
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on July 08, 2018, 07:10:33 pm
Hey Jacob, out of the things you've stated that you want on this board, how many have you prayed for?

  • For us to accept your version of Christianity
  • For us to accept your proof of God
  • For us to agree with your view on Star Wars
  • For us to agree with your views on British politics
  • For you to find a willing bride here
  • For you to convince us that conversion therapy is good
  • For you to convince us that the blowing up of the fictional planet Alderaan was good
  • For someone to remove your testicals

If so, how's that working out for you?

The first two.
It didn't work. In fact, the evidence would appear to suggest that the locals in this forum became more skeptical of your "proofs" and more opposed to Roman Catholicism than they were before. Certainly there's no evidence that you've achieved either aim.

What does this say about the efficacy of prayer, or your arguments?
Title: Re: More proof that the Christian God is real
Post by: Jacob Harrison on July 08, 2018, 07:45:26 pm
Hey Jacob, out of the things you've stated that you want on this board, how many have you prayed for?

  • For us to accept your version of Christianity
  • For us to accept your proof of God
  • For us to agree with your view on Star Wars
  • For us to agree with your views on British politics
  • For you to find a willing bride here
  • For you to convince us that conversion therapy is good
  • For you to convince us that the blowing up of the fictional planet Alderaan was good
  • For someone to remove your testicals

If so, how's that working out for you?

The first two.
It didn't work. In fact, the evidence would appear to suggest that the locals in this forum became more skeptical of your "proofs" and more opposed to Roman Catholicism than they were before. Certainly there's no evidence that you've achieved either aim.

What does this say about the efficacy of prayer, or your arguments?

Well maybe that I am no longer an apostate from the one true church, maybe my prayers will work better.
Title: Re: More proof that the Christian God is real
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on July 08, 2018, 07:59:28 pm
The "maybe" is telling.