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Title: Ireland repeals its blasphemy law
Post by: dpareja on October 31, 2018, 07:20:45 pm
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/oct/27/ireland-votes-to-oust-blasphemy-ban-from-constitution

The Irish constitution used to make blasphemy illegal. A few days ago, Irish voters, by a nearly two-to-one margin, repealed that ban.
Title: Re: Ireland repeals its blasphemy law
Post by: Jacob Harrison on October 31, 2018, 08:24:09 pm
It shows how formerly Catholic Ireland has fallen into apostasy. :(
Title: Re: Ireland repeals its blasphemy law
Post by: dpareja on October 31, 2018, 08:59:52 pm
The Irish Catholic Bishops' Conference, which had opposed the 34th Amendment (legalizing same-sex marriage), and said that passage of the 36th Amendment (lifting the constitutional near-ban on abortion) would be "a shocking step" and "a manifest injustice" (see The Irish Times (https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/catholic-bishops-repeal-of-eighth-would-be-manifest-injustice-1.3417362)), took a neutral position on this amendment, calling the provision repealed "largely obsolete" and noting that similar provisions elsewhere "have been used to justify violence and oppression against minorities," and that promoting freedom of conscience and religion "greatly increases the social fabric of a country." (Again, see The Irish Times (https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/religion-and-beliefs/constitutional-blasphemy-clause-largely-obsolete-bishops-decide-1.3650683).)

Maybe after voters ripped them a few new ones with the 34th and 36th, they thought not coming out against the 37th would keep some people who wanted to poke them in the eye a third time at home so it would fail.
Title: Re: Ireland repeals its blasphemy law
Post by: Art Vandelay on October 31, 2018, 09:56:45 pm
Slowly but surely, religious power and influence is being eroded all throughout the first world. It's truly a beautiful sight to behold.
Title: Re: Ireland repeals its blasphemy law
Post by: Jacob Harrison on November 01, 2018, 07:45:12 am
The Irish Catholic Bishops' Conference, which had opposed the 34th Amendment (legalizing same-sex marriage), and said that passage of the 36th Amendment (lifting the constitutional near-ban on abortion) would be "a shocking step" and "a manifest injustice" (see The Irish Times (https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/catholic-bishops-repeal-of-eighth-would-be-manifest-injustice-1.3417362)), took a neutral position on this amendment, calling the provision repealed "largely obsolete" and noting that similar provisions elsewhere "have been used to justify violence and oppression against minorities," and that promoting freedom of conscience and religion "greatly increases the social fabric of a country." (Again, see The Irish Times (https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/religion-and-beliefs/constitutional-blasphemy-clause-largely-obsolete-bishops-decide-1.3650683).)

Maybe after voters ripped them a few new ones with the 34th and 36th, they thought not coming out against the 37th would keep some people who wanted to poke them in the eye a third time at home so it would fail.

It shows that the Vatican 2 Bishops of Ireland have also fallen into apostasy, calling a sacred law that protects God from blashphemy obsolete and saying that decreasing Christian influence in a traditionally Catholic nation increases the social fabric of the country.
Title: Re: Ireland repeals its blasphemy law
Post by: Jacob Harrison on November 01, 2018, 07:48:11 am
Slowly but surely, religious power and influence is being eroded all throughout the first world. It's truly a beautiful sight to behold.

It is not a beautiful sight to behold because while Christianity is decreasing, Islam is increasing so Christianity is needed to counter the threat of Islam.
Title: Re: Ireland repeals its blasphemy law
Post by: ironbite on November 01, 2018, 08:02:22 am
Oh god he figured out this section exists.

Ironbite-can't wait for the flood to start.
Title: Re: Ireland repeals its blasphemy law
Post by: dpareja on November 01, 2018, 10:25:45 am
The Irish Catholic Bishops' Conference, which had opposed the 34th Amendment (legalizing same-sex marriage), and said that passage of the 36th Amendment (lifting the constitutional near-ban on abortion) would be "a shocking step" and "a manifest injustice" (see The Irish Times (https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/catholic-bishops-repeal-of-eighth-would-be-manifest-injustice-1.3417362)), took a neutral position on this amendment, calling the provision repealed "largely obsolete" and noting that similar provisions elsewhere "have been used to justify violence and oppression against minorities," and that promoting freedom of conscience and religion "greatly increases the social fabric of a country." (Again, see The Irish Times (https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/religion-and-beliefs/constitutional-blasphemy-clause-largely-obsolete-bishops-decide-1.3650683).)

Maybe after voters ripped them a few new ones with the 34th and 36th, they thought not coming out against the 37th would keep some people who wanted to poke them in the eye a third time at home so it would fail.

It shows that the Vatican 2 Bishops of Ireland have also fallen into apostasy, calling a sacred law that protects God from blashphemy obsolete and saying that decreasing Christian influence in a traditionally Catholic nation increases the social fabric of the country.

It would also have meant that you couldn't say that Islam is wrong, or Judaism is wrong, or Hinduism is wrong...

Speech is more important than your nonexistent God's pwecious fee-fees.
Title: Re: Ireland repeals its blasphemy law
Post by: Jacob Harrison on November 01, 2018, 12:05:48 pm
The Irish Catholic Bishops' Conference, which had opposed the 34th Amendment (legalizing same-sex marriage), and said that passage of the 36th Amendment (lifting the constitutional near-ban on abortion) would be "a shocking step" and "a manifest injustice" (see The Irish Times (https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/catholic-bishops-repeal-of-eighth-would-be-manifest-injustice-1.3417362)), took a neutral position on this amendment, calling the provision repealed "largely obsolete" and noting that similar provisions elsewhere "have been used to justify violence and oppression against minorities," and that promoting freedom of conscience and religion "greatly increases the social fabric of a country." (Again, see The Irish Times (https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/religion-and-beliefs/constitutional-blasphemy-clause-largely-obsolete-bishops-decide-1.3650683).)

Maybe after voters ripped them a few new ones with the 34th and 36th, they thought not coming out against the 37th would keep some people who wanted to poke them in the eye a third time at home so it would fail.

It shows that the Vatican 2 Bishops of Ireland have also fallen into apostasy, calling a sacred law that protects God from blashphemy obsolete and saying that decreasing Christian influence in a traditionally Catholic nation increases the social fabric of the country.

It would also have meant that you couldn't say that Islam is wrong, or Judaism is wrong, or Hinduism is wrong...

Speech is more important than your nonexistent God's pwecious fee-fees.

According to Wikipedia, blasphemy law in Ireland was originally limited to Christianity. And what God thinks is very important, because he is God so he should not be insulted.
Title: Re: Ireland repeals its blasphemy law
Post by: ironbite on November 01, 2018, 02:05:14 pm
Fuck your God.
Title: Re: Ireland repeals its blasphemy law
Post by: Jacob Harrison on November 01, 2018, 02:36:19 pm
Fuck your God.

On Judgement Day, God will remember you posted that.
Title: Re: Ireland repeals its blasphemy law
Post by: Art Vandelay on November 01, 2018, 02:55:02 pm
It shows that the Vatican 2 Bishops of Ireland have also fallen into apostasy, calling a sacred law that protects God from blashphemy obsolete and saying that decreasing Christian influence in a traditionally Catholic nation increases the social fabric of the country.
I thought your god was supposed to be all-powerful. He's a rather weak prick if he needs protecting from people saying mean things about him.
It is not a beautiful sight to behold because while Christianity is decreasing, Islam is increasing so Christianity is needed to counter the threat of Islam.
The best way to counter superstitious bullshit is not with a slightly different brand of superstitious bullshit. It's with a minimal amount of rational thought. The very same thing that is eroding Christianity's power and privilege can and will keep Islam down, should those dickheads start getting uppity.
Title: Re: Ireland repeals its blasphemy law
Post by: Jacob Harrison on November 01, 2018, 03:20:24 pm
It shows that the Vatican 2 Bishops of Ireland have also fallen into apostasy, calling a sacred law that protects God from blashphemy obsolete and saying that decreasing Christian influence in a traditionally Catholic nation increases the social fabric of the country.
I thought your god was supposed to be all-powerful. He's a rather weak prick if he needs protecting from people saying mean things about him.
It is not a beautiful sight to behold because while Christianity is decreasing, Islam is increasing so Christianity is needed to counter the threat of Islam.
The best way to counter superstitious bullshit is not with a slightly different brand of superstitious bullshit. It's with a minimal amount of rational thought. The very same thing that is eroding Christianity's power and privilege can and will keep Islam down, should those dickheads start getting uppity.

1. God is all powerful and does not need protecting. He however does not want people saying bad things about him, so blasphemy against him should not be allowed.

2. Atheism has not had a good record at stopping the spread of Islam, while there are many cases of Muslims converting to Christianity, and more Christianity can cause people seeking spirituality to convert to Christianity instead of Islam.
Title: Re: Ireland repeals its blasphemy law
Post by: Art Vandelay on November 01, 2018, 03:24:12 pm
1. God is all powerful and does not need protecting. He however does not want people saying bad things about him, so blasphemy against him should not be allowed.
As always, if he's bothered that much, he can at very least tell us himself.
2. Atheism has not had a good record at stopping the spread of Islam, while there are many cases of Muslims converting to Christianity, and more Christianity can cause people seeking spirituality to convert to Christianity instead of Islam.
Assuming that's true, so? You're replacing superstitious bullshit with slightly different superstitious bullshit. That's not a net gain for society by any stretch of the imagination.
Title: Re: Ireland repeals its blasphemy law
Post by: Jacob Harrison on November 01, 2018, 03:32:44 pm
1. God is all powerful and does not need protecting. He however does not want people saying bad things about him, so blasphemy against him should not be allowed.
As always, if he's bothered that much, he can at very least tell us himself.
2. Atheism has not had a good record at stopping the spread of Islam, while there are many cases of Muslims converting to Christianity, and more Christianity can cause people seeking spirituality to convert to Christianity instead of Islam.
Assuming that's true, so? You're replacing superstitious bullshit with slightly different superstitious bullshit. That's not a net gain for society by any stretch of the imagination.

1. God gives people free will to believe in him, so he will only prove himself if you agree to accept Jesus Christ as your Lord ad Savior and turn your life from sin.

2. It is a net gain because Islam is a religion of terrorism and misogyny.
Title: Re: Ireland repeals its blasphemy law
Post by: Art Vandelay on November 01, 2018, 03:37:25 pm
1. God gives people free will to believe in him, so he will only prove himself if you agree to accept Jesus Christ as your Lord ad Savior and turn your life from sin.
He seemed rather chatty in all of those bible stories. Strange how only now, he can't talk because free will.
2. It is a net gain because Islam is a religion of terrorism and misogyny.
And Christianity, Catholicism in particular, is the religion on kiddie diddlers, pearl clutchers and repressed jeans fetishists.
Title: Re: Ireland repeals its blasphemy law
Post by: Jacob Harrison on November 01, 2018, 03:54:13 pm
1. God gives people free will to believe in him, so he will only prove himself if you agree to accept Jesus Christ as your Lord ad Savior and turn your life from sin.
He seemed rather chatty in all of those bible stories. Strange how only now, he can't talk because free will.
2. It is a net gain because Islam is a religion of terrorism and misogyny.
And Christianity, Catholicism in particular, is the religion on kiddie diddlers, pearl clutchers and repressed jeans fetishists.

1. He talked mostly to believers. Christ talked to non believers but they had free will to believe that he’s the messiah. However since non Christians today knows that Jesus Christ is who Christians believe to be the messiah and son of God, him talking now would automatically cause non believers to believe.

2. There are Muslim kiddie diddlers too. In fact their religion itself condones it since Muhammad was one. While there has been a scandal in the Catholic Church, those priests that do that violate Christian doctrine. Pearl clutchers and repressed jeans fetishists are not really issues while Islam has terrorism, wife beating, and forcing women to cover their heads.
Title: Re: Ireland repeals its blasphemy law
Post by: ironbite on November 01, 2018, 04:48:23 pm
Fuck your God.

On Judgement Day, God will remember you posted that.

Fuck your God.
Title: Re: Ireland repeals its blasphemy law
Post by: Jacob Harrison on November 01, 2018, 04:58:33 pm
Fuck your God.

On Judgement Day, God will remember you posted that.

Fuck your God.

Fuck you for insulting God.
Title: Re: Ireland repeals its blasphemy law
Post by: dpareja on November 01, 2018, 05:51:23 pm
You're seriously trying to claim that Christianity (which, really, should be "Paulism" given how much doctrine comes from his letters, whether genuine or just attributed to him) isn't misogynistic at its core?

Need I remind you that 1 Timothy 2:12 is in your book?
Title: Re: Ireland repeals its blasphemy law
Post by: Jacob Harrison on November 01, 2018, 05:56:45 pm
You're seriously trying to claim that Christianity (which, really, should be "Paulism" given how much doctrine comes from his letters, whether genuine or just attributed to him) isn't misogynistic at its core?

Need I remind you that 1 Timothy 2:12 is in your book?

1 Timothy 2:12 is only referring to women's role in Churches. It is why, only men can be in the clergy. Islam's rules on women  on the other hand, apply to outside of the mosques.
Title: Re: Ireland repeals its blasphemy law
Post by: Art Vandelay on November 01, 2018, 05:57:58 pm
1. He talked mostly to believers. Christ talked to non believers but they had free will to believe that he’s the messiah. However since non Christians today knows that Jesus Christ is who Christians believe to be the messiah and son of God, him talking now would automatically cause non believers to believe.
Sure, seems reasonable. On a totally unrelated note, objects falling down all the time violates our free will to not believe in gravity.
2. There are Muslim kiddie diddlers too. In fact their religion itself condones it since Muhammad was one. While there has been a scandal in the Catholic Church, those priests that do that violate Christian doctrine. Pearl clutchers and repressed jeans fetishists are not really issues while Islam has terrorism, wife beating, and forcing women to cover their heads.
You make a valid point. Nonetheless, I feel we'd be much better off without all of these grown men and women with imaginary friends in the first place.
Title: Re: Ireland repeals its blasphemy law
Post by: davedan on November 01, 2018, 05:59:00 pm
The argument that 'Free will' requires god not to talk to us or to reveal its existence in a manner which would convince every single person in humanity is complete shit. Let's just completely ignore all the times in the Bible that God has revealed himself, fuck he even had a homoerotic tussle with Jacob. Instead assuming that the believer also believes in Satan. Satan had direct and intimate contact with god and yet still chose to reject him.

The fact is you can't make a truly free decision unless it is informed which for free will to work would require each person to have a convincing revelation of God.
Title: Re: Ireland repeals its blasphemy law
Post by: Jacob Harrison on November 01, 2018, 06:10:07 pm
The argument that 'Free will' requires god not to talk to us or to reveal its existence in a manner which would convince every single person in humanity is complete shit. Let's just completely ignore all the times in the Bible that God has revealed himself, fuck he even had a homoerotic tussle with Jacob. Instead assuming that the believer also believes in Satan. Satan had direct and intimate contact with god and yet still chose to reject him.

The fact is you can't make a truly free decision unless it is informed which for free will to work would require each person to have a convincing revelation of God.

God revealed himself to people for specific reasons, but made sure that he would not convince every single person in humanity. The difference between Satan and humans is that Satan was an angel so he therefore thought he had the power to overthrow God. Humans know that they don't have that power, so all humans would worship God in fear of him if he revealed himself. And you can make a truly free decision because you can still choose to worship God or not, even if you did not experience a revelation from him.
Title: Re: Ireland repeals its blasphemy law
Post by: ironbite on November 01, 2018, 06:13:24 pm
Fuck your God.

On Judgement Day, God will remember you posted that.

Fuck your God.

Fuck you for insulting God.

Fuck your God.
Title: Re: Ireland repeals its blasphemy law
Post by: davedan on November 01, 2018, 07:38:06 pm
The argument that 'Free will' requires god not to talk to us or to reveal its existence in a manner which would convince every single person in humanity is complete shit. Let's just completely ignore all the times in the Bible that God has revealed himself, fuck he even had a homoerotic tussle with Jacob. Instead assuming that the believer also believes in Satan. Satan had direct and intimate contact with god and yet still chose to reject him.

The fact is you can't make a truly free decision unless it is informed which for free will to work would require each person to have a convincing revelation of God.

God revealed himself to people for specific reasons, but made sure that he would not convince every single person in humanity. The difference between Satan and humans is that Satan was an angel so he therefore thought he had the power to overthrow God. Humans know that they don't have that power, so all humans would worship God in fear of him if he revealed himself. And you can make a truly free decision because you can still choose to worship God or not, even if you did not experience a revelation from him.

But everyone accepts that you cannot make a free decision with imperfect information. So no, I don't have a free choice.  As an Angel Satan would have known better than others that God was omnipotent and therefore incapable of being overthrown yet he rejected him anyway. Maybe because he's a douchebag and Satan was upset about God ordering him to torture Job and his family.

Let's face it you cannot have free choice with imperfect information. The only people who would worship god because of the power are authoritarians and most of them are religious anyway.
Title: Re: Ireland repeals its blasphemy law
Post by: Jacob Harrison on November 01, 2018, 07:49:54 pm
The argument that 'Free will' requires god not to talk to us or to reveal its existence in a manner which would convince every single person in humanity is complete shit. Let's just completely ignore all the times in the Bible that God has revealed himself, fuck he even had a homoerotic tussle with Jacob. Instead assuming that the believer also believes in Satan. Satan had direct and intimate contact with god and yet still chose to reject him.

The fact is you can't make a truly free decision unless it is informed which for free will to work would require each person to have a convincing revelation of God.

God revealed himself to people for specific reasons, but made sure that he would not convince every single person in humanity. The difference between Satan and humans is that Satan was an angel so he therefore thought he had the power to overthrow God. Humans know that they don't have that power, so all humans would worship God in fear of him if he revealed himself. And you can make a truly free decision because you can still choose to worship God or not, even if you did not experience a revelation from him.

But everyone accepts that you cannot make a free decision with imperfect information. So no, I don't have a free choice.  As an Angel Satan would have known better than others that God was omnipotent and therefore incapable of being overthrown yet he rejected him anyway. Maybe because he's a douchebag and Satan was upset about God ordering him to torture Job and his family.

Let's face it you cannot have free choice with imperfect information. The only people who would worship god because of the power are authoritarians and most of them are religious anyway.

It is not a totally free decision, but it is more free than if he just revealed himself to you. Satan rejected God because he wants to sin and be in charge of hell. Humans on the other hand don’t want to go to hell, which is why they would automatically worship God if he revealed himself, in fear of going to hell.
Title: Re: Ireland repeals its blasphemy law
Post by: davedan on November 01, 2018, 09:22:08 pm
I think plenty of people would choose to go to hell, I suspect it would be nicer
Title: Re: Ireland repeals its blasphemy law
Post by: Jacob Harrison on November 02, 2018, 08:04:17 am
I think plenty of people would choose to go to hell, I suspect it would be nicer

The bible and Dante's Inferno describe how horrible a place that hell is. Most people realize that and would not want to go there if they realized that it exists.
Title: Re: Ireland repeals its blasphemy law
Post by: ironbite on November 02, 2018, 09:15:56 am
Fuck your god.
Title: Re: Ireland repeals its blasphemy law
Post by: dpareja on November 02, 2018, 02:12:07 pm
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I think maybe I will take a few minutes just to to say something that I find repulsive about especially monotheistic messianic religion. With a large part of itself, it quite clearly wants us all to die. It wants this world to come to an end. You can tell the yearning for things to be over whenever you read any of its real texts or listen to any of its real, authentic spokesmen not the sort of pathetic apologists who sometimes masquerade for it. Those who talk – there was a famous spokesman for this in Virginia until recently – about the rapture, say that those of us who have chosen rightly will be gathered to the arms of Jesus, leaving all of the rest of you behind. If we’re in a car it’s your lookout, that car won’t have a driver anymore. If we’re a pilot, that’s your lookout, that plane will crash we will be with Jesus and the rest of you can go straight to hell.

The eschatological element that is inseparable from Christianity: if you don’t believe that there is to be an apocalypse, that there is going to be an end, a separation of the sheep and the goats, a condemnation, a final one, then you’re not really a believer, and the contempt for the things of this world shows through all of them. It’s well put in an old rhyme from an English exclusive brethren sect that says that:

We are the pure and chosen few
and all the rest are damned.
There’s room enough in hell for you;
we don’t want heaven crammed.

You can tell it when you see the extreme Muslims talk. They cannot wait. They cannot wait for death and destruction to overtake and overwhelm the world. They can’t wait for what I would call without ambiguity a final solution. When you look at the Israeli settlers, paid for often by American tax dollars, deciding if they can steal enough land from other people and get all the Jews into the promised land and all the non-Jews out of it, then finally the Jewish people will be worthy of the return of the Messiah. And there are Christians in this country who consider it their job to help this happen, so that Armageddon can occur, so that the painful business of living as humans and studying civilisation and trying to acquire learning and knowledge and health and medicine, and to push back the frontiers, can all be scrapped, and the cult of death can take over. That to me is a hideous thing in eschatological terms, in end times terms on it’s own – a hateful idea, a hateful practice and a hateful theory, but very much to be opposed in our daily lives where there are people who sincerely mean it – who want to ruin the good relations that could exist between different peoples, nations, races, countries, tribes, ethnicities, who say, who openly say they love death more than we love life and who are betting that with God on their side, they’re right about that.

So when I say as the subtitle of my book that I think that religion poisons everything, I’m not just doing what publishers like and coming up with a provocative subtitle. I mean to say it infects us in our most basic integrity. It says we can’t be moral without big brother, without a totalitarian permission. It means we can’t be good to one another without this. We must be afraid. We must also be forced to love someone who we fear, The essence of sadomasochism, the essence of abjection, the essence of the master slave relationship, and that knows that death is coming and can’t wait to bring it on. I say this is evil.

And though I do some nights stay home, I enjoy more the nights when I go out and fight against this ultimate wickedness and ultimate stupidity.

--Christopher Hitchens
Title: Re: Ireland repeals its blasphemy law
Post by: Jacob Harrison on November 02, 2018, 03:16:49 pm
Quote
I think maybe I will take a few minutes just to to say something that I find repulsive about especially monotheistic messianic religion. With a large part of itself, it quite clearly wants us all to die. It wants this world to come to an end. You can tell the yearning for things to be over whenever you read any of its real texts or listen to any of its real, authentic spokesmen not the sort of pathetic apologists who sometimes masquerade for it. Those who talk – there was a famous spokesman for this in Virginia until recently – about the rapture, say that those of us who have chosen rightly will be gathered to the arms of Jesus, leaving all of the rest of you behind. If we’re in a car it’s your lookout, that car won’t have a driver anymore. If we’re a pilot, that’s your lookout, that plane will crash we will be with Jesus and the rest of you can go straight to hell.

The eschatological element that is inseparable from Christianity: if you don’t believe that there is to be an apocalypse, that there is going to be an end, a separation of the sheep and the goats, a condemnation, a final one, then you’re not really a believer, and the contempt for the things of this world shows through all of them. It’s well put in an old rhyme from an English exclusive brethren sect that says that:

We are the pure and chosen few
and all the rest are damned.
There’s room enough in hell for you;
we don’t want heaven crammed.

You can tell it when you see the extreme Muslims talk. They cannot wait. They cannot wait for death and destruction to overtake and overwhelm the world. They can’t wait for what I would call without ambiguity a final solution. When you look at the Israeli settlers, paid for often by American tax dollars, deciding if they can steal enough land from other people and get all the Jews into the promised land and all the non-Jews out of it, then finally the Jewish people will be worthy of the return of the Messiah. And there are Christians in this country who consider it their job to help this happen, so that Armageddon can occur, so that the painful business of living as humans and studying civilisation and trying to acquire learning and knowledge and health and medicine, and to push back the frontiers, can all be scrapped, and the cult of death can take over. That to me is a hideous thing in eschatological terms, in end times terms on it’s own – a hateful idea, a hateful practice and a hateful theory, but very much to be opposed in our daily lives where there are people who sincerely mean it – who want to ruin the good relations that could exist between different peoples, nations, races, countries, tribes, ethnicities, who say, who openly say they love death more than we love life and who are betting that with God on their side, they’re right about that.

So when I say as the subtitle of my book that I think that religion poisons everything, I’m not just doing what publishers like and coming up with a provocative subtitle. I mean to say it infects us in our most basic integrity. It says we can’t be moral without big brother, without a totalitarian permission. It means we can’t be good to one another without this. We must be afraid. We must also be forced to love someone who we fear, The essence of sadomasochism, the essence of abjection, the essence of the master slave relationship, and that knows that death is coming and can’t wait to bring it on. I say this is evil.

And though I do some nights stay home, I enjoy more the nights when I go out and fight against this ultimate wickedness and ultimate stupidity.

--Christopher Hitchens

But it is beautiful because Christ will return at the end of the world so fix this broken world full of sin and suffering, and create a new heaven and new Earth and there will be no more sin and suffering.

Christianity promotes morals such as helping the poor and sick. The fear of God can prevent people from committing immoral deeds. God deserves to be our master because he created us.

Too bad the Christopher Hitchens won’t get to experience the new Earth, because he in hell for eternity. I pray that you will repent, so that you will not join him there.
Title: Re: Ireland repeals its blasphemy law
Post by: ironbite on November 02, 2018, 03:34:39 pm
I'm just gonna keep saying fuck your God Jacob.

Ironbite-cause I can.
Title: Re: Ireland repeals its blasphemy law
Post by: Jacob Harrison on November 02, 2018, 03:56:00 pm
I'm just gonna keep saying fuck your God Jacob.

Ironbite-cause I can.

If you don’t stop insulting God, I will keep saying fuck you for insulting God. That will probably make you stop.
Title: Re: Ireland repeals its blasphemy law
Post by: ironbite on November 02, 2018, 03:57:05 pm
HAHAHAHAHAH!

Ironbite-fuck your God.
Title: Re: Ireland repeals its blasphemy law
Post by: Jacob Harrison on November 02, 2018, 03:59:06 pm
HAHAHAHAHAH!

Ironbite-fuck your God.

Fuck you for insulting God! I am getting very pissed!
Title: Re: Ireland repeals its blasphemy law
Post by: ironbite on November 02, 2018, 03:59:29 pm
Fuck...your God.
Title: Re: Ireland repeals its blasphemy law
Post by: Art Vandelay on November 02, 2018, 04:02:06 pm
I pray that you will repent, so that you will not join him there.
What the fuck is that going to achieve? I thought your god kept to himself because free will. Are you saying there's a chance he'll get involved just because you asked him to?
Title: Re: Ireland repeals its blasphemy law
Post by: Jacob Harrison on November 02, 2018, 04:10:42 pm
I pray that you will repent, so that you will not join him there.
What the fuck is that going to achieve? I thought your god kept to himself because free will. Are you saying there's a chance he'll get involved just because you asked him to?

Yes there is a chance he might do so, because he often listens to prayers.
Title: Re: Ireland repeals its blasphemy law
Post by: ironbite on November 02, 2018, 04:11:18 pm
Fuck your God.
Title: Re: Ireland repeals its blasphemy law
Post by: Jacob Harrison on November 02, 2018, 04:24:34 pm
Fuck your God.

FUCK YOU FOR INSULTING GOD!
Title: Re: Ireland repeals its blasphemy law
Post by: Art Vandelay on November 02, 2018, 04:28:30 pm
I pray that you will repent, so that you will not join him there.
What the fuck is that going to achieve? I thought your god kept to himself because free will. Are you saying there's a chance he'll get involved just because you asked him to?
Yes there is a chance he might do so, because he often listens to prayers.
So, what you're saying is that he won't reveal himself because free will supersedes even his own desire to have his ego stroked. Unless of course one of his fans asks him to, in which case, the free will argument can go eat a dick, right?
Title: Re: Ireland repeals its blasphemy law
Post by: Askold on November 02, 2018, 04:31:27 pm
Ironbite, Jacob, take your petty fight to the flame and burn section or else.
Title: Re: Ireland repeals its blasphemy law
Post by: Jacob Harrison on November 02, 2018, 04:32:32 pm
I pray that you will repent, so that you will not join him there.
What the fuck is that going to achieve? I thought your god kept to himself because free will. Are you saying there's a chance he'll get involved just because you asked him to?
Yes there is a chance he might do so, because he often listens to prayers.
So, what you're saying is that he won't reveal himself because free will supersedes even his own desire to have his ego stroked. Unless of course one of his fans asks him to, in which case, the free will argument can go eat a dick, right?

Yes because he likes people to worship him out of free will but he also likes prayer, so prayer supersedes his other reason for not getting involved.
Title: Re: Ireland repeals its blasphemy law
Post by: Art Vandelay on November 02, 2018, 04:38:42 pm
Yes because he likes people to worship him out of free will but he also likes prayer, so prayer supersedes his other reason for not getting involved.
That's probably why Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world. You lot really need to step up your game, by the looks of things.
Title: Re: Ireland repeals its blasphemy law
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on November 03, 2018, 07:07:26 pm
Fuck your God.

FUCK YOU FOR INSULTING GOD!
YOU DISSED MUH IMAGINARY FRIEND!!!

ME PISSED>
Title: Re: Ireland repeals its blasphemy law
Post by: ironbite on November 03, 2018, 07:33:26 pm
Tol we moved down to Flame and Burn.
Title: Re: Ireland repeals its blasphemy law
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on November 03, 2018, 09:25:47 pm
Tol we moved down to Flame and Burn.
Ah so this thread is now about Ireland repealing it's blasphemy laws?

Well done Ireland.
Title: Re: Ireland repeals its blasphemy law
Post by: Art Vandelay on November 05, 2018, 02:00:43 am
I pray that you will repent, so that you will not join him there.
What the fuck is that going to achieve? I thought your god kept to himself because free will. Are you saying there's a chance he'll get involved just because you asked him to?
Yes there is a chance he might do so, because he often listens to prayers.
So, what you're saying is that he won't reveal himself because free will supersedes even his own desire to have his ego stroked. Unless of course one of his fans asks him to, in which case, the free will argument can go eat a dick, right?

Yes because he likes people to worship him out of free will but he also likes prayer, so prayer supersedes his other reason for not getting involved.

Also, that would explain this situation.
(https://i.chzbgr.com/full/9233088000/hACDB8E9D/)
Title: Re: Ireland repeals its blasphemy law
Post by: rookie on November 08, 2018, 09:30:56 am
I dated a girl who believed in Jakey-poo's definition of free will. I always had the freedom to make whatever decisions I thought best. But there was a definite right one. If I made the right decisions, I was rewarded with the most depraved mind blowing sex imaginable. If I made the not right choice, well, broken noses heal and the dimple on my cheek that I wasn't born with does look cute. Oh, don't misunderstand. It wasn't abuse, it was love. She did live me and wanted me to be the best I could. Just sometimes i needed guidance and a push in thre right direction.

Now some here see an abusive relationship, and they're right. Some may see parallels between the free will I had with Veronica and Jakey-poo's idea of free will. They're right as well. But in this case, the Veronica isn't any invisible friend. But Jakey-poo himself. And the church in Ireland. And anyone who would use such guidance to make the right decision which seeks to strip away the very gift given by our creator. They seek to be the very gods they worship.
Title: Re: Ireland repeals its blasphemy law
Post by: Jacob Harrison on November 08, 2018, 01:28:41 pm
I dated a girl who believed in Jakey-poo's definition of free will. I always had the freedom to make whatever decisions I thought best. But there was a definite right one. If I made the right decisions, I was rewarded with the most depraved mind blowing sex imaginable. If I made the not right choice, well, broken noses heal and the dimple on my cheek that I wasn't born with does look cute. Oh, don't misunderstand. It wasn't abuse, it was love. She did live me and wanted me to be the best I could. Just sometimes i needed guidance and a push in thre right direction.

Now some here see an abusive relationship, and they're right. Some may see parallels between the free will I had with Veronica and Jakey-poo's idea of free will. They're right as well. But in this case, the Veronica isn't any invisible friend. But Jakey-poo himself. And the church in Ireland. And anyone who would use such guidance to make the right decision which seeks to strip away the very gift given by our creator. They seek to be the very gods they worship.

Well, people have free will to commit crime, even though they would get punished for it if they were caught. There is a difference between freedom and free will. Free will the ability all humans have to make choices. Freedom is being allowed to make a choice without getting punished for the choice.
Title: Re: Ireland repeals its blasphemy law
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on November 08, 2018, 03:41:33 pm
I dated a girl who believed in Jakey-poo's definition of free will. I always had the freedom to make whatever decisions I thought best. But there was a definite right one. If I made the right decisions, I was rewarded with the most depraved mind blowing sex imaginable. If I made the not right choice, well, broken noses heal and the dimple on my cheek that I wasn't born with does look cute. Oh, don't misunderstand. It wasn't abuse, it was love. She did live me and wanted me to be the best I could. Just sometimes i needed guidance and a push in thre right direction.

Now some here see an abusive relationship, and they're right. Some may see parallels between the free will I had with Veronica and Jakey-poo's idea of free will. They're right as well. But in this case, the Veronica isn't any invisible friend. But Jakey-poo himself. And the church in Ireland. And anyone who would use such guidance to make the right decision which seeks to strip away the very gift given by our creator. They seek to be the very gods they worship.

Well, people have free will to commit crime, even though they would get punished for it if they were caught. There is a difference between freedom and free will. Free will the ability all humans have to make choices. Freedom is being allowed to make a choice without getting punished for the choice.
And now the Irish have the freedom to give your nonexistent god the middle finger in public, sláinte.
Title: Re: Ireland repeals its blasphemy law
Post by: Jacob Harrison on November 08, 2018, 04:17:18 pm
I dated a girl who believed in Jakey-poo's definition of free will. I always had the freedom to make whatever decisions I thought best. But there was a definite right one. If I made the right decisions, I was rewarded with the most depraved mind blowing sex imaginable. If I made the not right choice, well, broken noses heal and the dimple on my cheek that I wasn't born with does look cute. Oh, don't misunderstand. It wasn't abuse, it was love. She did live me and wanted me to be the best I could. Just sometimes i needed guidance and a push in thre right direction.

Now some here see an abusive relationship, and they're right. Some may see parallels between the free will I had with Veronica and Jakey-poo's idea of free will. They're right as well. But in this case, the Veronica isn't any invisible friend. But Jakey-poo himself. And the church in Ireland. And anyone who would use such guidance to make the right decision which seeks to strip away the very gift given by our creator. They seek to be the very gods they worship.

Well, people have free will to commit crime, even though they would get punished for it if they were caught. There is a difference between freedom and free will. Free will the ability all humans have to make choices. Freedom is being allowed to make a choice without getting punished for the choice.
And now the Irish have the freedom to give your nonexistent god the middle finger in public, sláinte.

Their freedom won't last. The Irish who voted to repeal the blasphemy laws will be punished by God in the afterlife if they do not repent.
Title: Re: Ireland repeals its blasphemy law
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on November 08, 2018, 04:19:17 pm
I dated a girl who believed in Jakey-poo's definition of free will. I always had the freedom to make whatever decisions I thought best. But there was a definite right one. If I made the right decisions, I was rewarded with the most depraved mind blowing sex imaginable. If I made the not right choice, well, broken noses heal and the dimple on my cheek that I wasn't born with does look cute. Oh, don't misunderstand. It wasn't abuse, it was love. She did live me and wanted me to be the best I could. Just sometimes i needed guidance and a push in thre right direction.

Now some here see an abusive relationship, and they're right. Some may see parallels between the free will I had with Veronica and Jakey-poo's idea of free will. They're right as well. But in this case, the Veronica isn't any invisible friend. But Jakey-poo himself. And the church in Ireland. And anyone who would use such guidance to make the right decision which seeks to strip away the very gift given by our creator. They seek to be the very gods they worship.

Well, people have free will to commit crime, even though they would get punished for it if they were caught. There is a difference between freedom and free will. Free will the ability all humans have to make choices. Freedom is being allowed to make a choice without getting punished for the choice.
And now the Irish have the freedom to give your nonexistent god the middle finger in public, sláinte.

Their freedom won't last. The Irish who voted to repeal the blasphemy laws will be punished by God in the afterlife if they do not repent.
Feel free to pleasure yourself to your revenge fantasy, there's no law against it.