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Re: White guy shoots black kid cops do nothing
« Reply #15 on: March 14, 2012, 12:15:34 pm »
with the doctrine even this is pushing t as the kid was not on his property and it was not a formal neighborhood watch

Not to mention Zimmerman called up the police, made racial remarks, and was told not to pursue Martin (whose sole suspicion was the color of his skin). Zimmerman than followed Martin, with a gun, and more than likely (from our limited understanding of the event and the two people) instigated an altercation which resulted in Martin being murdered.

Even if we accept that this lacks the pre-meditation for 1st degree murder, these events would certainly fall under 2nd or 3rd degree murder under Florida law.

For the life of me, I don't see any way that the castle doctrine could even apply to these events.

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Re: White guy shoots black kid cops do nothing
« Reply #16 on: March 14, 2012, 01:37:42 pm »
with the doctrine even this is pushing t as the kid was not on his property and it was not a formal neighborhood watch

Not to mention Zimmerman called up the police, made racial remarks, and was told not to pursue Martin (whose sole suspicion was the color of his skin). Zimmerman than followed Martin, with a gun, and more than likely (from our limited understanding of the event and the two people) instigated an altercation which resulted in Martin being murdered.

Even if we accept that this lacks the pre-meditation for 1st degree murder, these events would certainly fall under 2nd or 3rd degree murder under Florida law.

For the life of me, I don't see any way that the castle doctrine could even apply to these events.
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Re: White guy shoots black kid cops do nothing
« Reply #17 on: March 14, 2012, 01:54:13 pm »
with the doctrine even this is pushing t as the kid was not on his property and it was not a formal neighborhood watch
For the life of me, I don't see any way that the castle doctrine could even apply to these events.

As I said above, I agree. I really cannot what is going on here (other than the issue of race)
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Re: White guy shoots black kid cops do nothing
« Reply #18 on: March 14, 2012, 05:31:14 pm »
Here's the thing: he should be going to trial right now. Even if it truly was self-defense, it's up to the courts to say if he was guilty of murder, not the police, and the fact that he hasn't been arrested yet is very suspicious.

Yes it is.  So far the district attorney has not brought charges and they wont unless then think they can get a conviction.  With no witnesses and the fact that there was an altercation I doubt they would.

Exactly. Conviction is assured. He's admitted to killing the guy and there are no witnesses for him to use to prove self-defence. So he's fucked.
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Re: White guy shoots black kid cops do nothing
« Reply #19 on: March 14, 2012, 07:09:17 pm »
He was a skinny, 17-year-old black kid minding his own business.  If that's not grounds for murder in the South, what is?
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Re: White guy shoots black kid cops do nothing
« Reply #20 on: March 14, 2012, 07:36:15 pm »
Here's the thing: he should be going to trial right now. Even if it truly was self-defense, it's up to the courts to say if he was guilty of murder, not the police, and the fact that he hasn't been arrested yet is very suspicious.

Yes it is.  So far the district attorney has not brought charges and they wont unless then think they can get a conviction.  With no witnesses and the fact that there was an altercation I doubt they would.   

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Re: White guy shoots black kid cops do nothing
« Reply #21 on: March 14, 2012, 07:46:57 pm »
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The police initially told Martin’s family that Zimmerman said he acted in self-defense...

He obviously had to defend himself from a black kid walking down the street who was threatining his life by being black. ::)

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Re: White guy shoots black kid cops do nothing
« Reply #22 on: March 14, 2012, 08:29:35 pm »
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The police initially told Martin’s family that Zimmerman said he acted in self-defense...

He obviously had to defend himself from a black kid walking down the street who was threatining his life by being black. ::)
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Re: White guy shoots black kid cops do nothing
« Reply #23 on: March 14, 2012, 08:55:05 pm »
Lets agree the cops are racist.

How so?

I really hope you're not being serious.

Assuming you are, do you think for a minute that if a 28 year old black man with an arrest record shot a 140 pound white child in the chest (armed only with skittles and arizona iced tea) that the cops would let him go?
Just because the guy went free doesn't mean the cops are racist. At least not until you have more to go on. He could be some cop's friend, or the cops could be getting paid off...Racism is a charge that's flung too easily on everything.
Now the guy that did this, possibly. He could also just hate everyone that looks like a punk.
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Re: White guy shoots black kid cops do nothing
« Reply #24 on: March 14, 2012, 09:47:16 pm »
In my state in Australia, which is frankly one of the most backward, you cannot use force likely to cause death or Greivous Bodily Harm in self defence unless you are in genuine fear for your life. I suspect the law is the same in Florida. Otherwise it is the Southpark Scenario of yelling, 'he's coming right for us' before shooting whoever you like.

Aside from that, I am absolutely fucking amazed that the Police even mentioned two things:

First - that they respect his background

Second - that his record is squeaky clean.

Neither are in anyway relevant to whether this event was a crime or whether a charge should be laid. Neither would be admissable in a trial.

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Re: White guy shoots black kid cops do nothing
« Reply #25 on: March 14, 2012, 09:48:53 pm »
Lets agree the cops are racist.

How so?

I really hope you're not being serious.

Assuming you are, do you think for a minute that if a 28 year old black man with an arrest record shot a 140 pound white child in the chest (armed only with skittles and arizona iced tea) that the cops would let him go?
Just because the guy went free doesn't mean the cops are racist. At least not until you have more to go on. He could be some cop's friend, or the cops could be getting paid off...Racism is a charge that's flung too easily on everything.
Now the guy that did this, possibly. He could also just hate everyone that looks like a punk.

I read somewhere that Zimmerman might have been a police informant. So there's that.

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Re: White guy shoots black kid cops do nothing
« Reply #26 on: March 14, 2012, 10:07:53 pm »
Lets agree the cops are racist.

How so?

I really hope you're not being serious.

Assuming you are, do you think for a minute that if a 28 year old black man with an arrest record shot a 140 pound white child in the chest (armed only with skittles and arizona iced tea) that the cops would let him go?
Just because the guy went free doesn't mean the cops are racist. At least not until you have more to go on. He could be some cop's friend, or the cops could be getting paid off...Racism is a charge that's flung too easily on everything.
Now the guy that did this, possibly. He could also just hate everyone that looks like a punk.
The phone conversatons pretty much say kid is suspisicous since he's black

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Re: White guy shoots black kid cops do nothing
« Reply #27 on: March 14, 2012, 10:43:54 pm »
Lets agree the cops are racist.

How so?

I really hope you're not being serious.

Assuming you are, do you think for a minute that if a 28 year old black man with an arrest record shot a 140 pound white child in the chest (armed only with skittles and arizona iced tea) that the cops would let him go?
Just because the guy went free doesn't mean the cops are racist. At least not until you have more to go on. He could be some cop's friend, or the cops could be getting paid off...Racism is a charge that's flung too easily on everything.
Now the guy that did this, possibly. He could also just hate everyone that looks like a punk.
The phone conversatons pretty much say kid is suspisicous since he's black

This. They claimed he "walked" suspiciously which given historical connotations, meant he walked with a black jive. So again, the kid was targeted for being black. Also as queenofhearts put it:

I really hope you're not being serious.

Assuming you are, do you think for a minute that if a 28 year old black man with an arrest record shot a 140 pound white child in the chest (armed only with skittles and arizona iced tea) that the cops would let him go?

There has been other incidences where polices ignored a murder because the murderer was white, in similar fashion to this murder.

Also, the kid doesn't really look like a punk. So, yeah I wouldn't say the shooter targeted him for looking a like a punk.
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Re: White guy shoots black kid cops do nothing
« Reply #28 on: March 14, 2012, 10:45:29 pm »
Let me say this even if this kid did something bad then the cops must take care of everything vigilanteism/lynching is a step above anarchy

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Re: White guy shoots black kid cops do nothing
« Reply #29 on: March 14, 2012, 10:53:27 pm »
I appear to have quoted Queenofhearts twice.  :-[
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