Church bans children to keep pedo pastor

[Podkayne]

Podkayne... are you seriously standing up for a child molester? Look, it was a (short) walk to call nickerson a rape apologist, but even in your OWN FUCKING POST, you admit that he molested two children, AND YOU SYMPATHIZE.

What was the crime that got him on the registry? The more I hear about it, the more sympathy I have for the people on it. You can be registered as a sex offender for some fairly mundane stuff Technicslly, I doubt there are many people who havn't done something that could get them registered if the wrong police officer happened by at the wrong moment.

In 2009 Gilyard plead guilty to lewd conduct and lewd molestation of two underage girls. While he was the pastor of Shiloh Baptist Church Gilyard molested a 15-year-old girl and sent a lewd text message to another. Under the conditions of his plea agreement, Gilyard cannot have “unsupervised contact with children under 18 years old,” and his new church has taken extraordinary steps to help Gilyard stick to the terms of his deal

From article. But I  still don't think the best way to deal with these sorts of offenders is to force them to the fringes of society, so, counter intuitively, and against my original WTF reaction, I'm going to say good on the church for giiving the guy a chance. Christian forgiveness, doing it right, maybe.

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Emphasis obviously mine.

Fuck you. Just fuck you, you horrid bitch.

I really don't sympathise. I just have a problem with the way the sex offender registry works.

[JohnE]

I really don't sympathise. I just have a problem with the way the sex offender registry works.

I'm inclined to agree with you, especially the way you can on the registry for things that don't make you a danger to folks around you. In this case though, this guy molested children. It's perfectly reasonable, IMHO, to not want him around children, especially in a position of authority.

[Podkayne]

I really don't sympathise. I just have a problem with the way the sex offender registry works.

I'm inclined to agree with you, especially the way you can on the registry for things that don't make you a danger to folks around you. In this case though, this guy molested children. It's perfectly reasonable, IMHO, to not want him around children, especially in a position of authority.

I'd agree with that. But I think the church is a bit forward thinking to not condemn him out of hand. Also, at least they took steps to make sure he would'nt be around children, even if their solution seems a bit ass backwards. At least they didn't just move him to a different parish in a different legal district and let him have access to kids... unlike some denominations I could name.

[Lithp]

I'd agree with that. But I think the church is a bit forward thinking to not condemn him out of hand.

No they aren't. They are not doing this out of some sense of compassion. They're doing this because they think their holy asses are always right. They basically said so themselves. Literally, they said the government should have no authority over them. They probably don't even think he did it.

Also, at least they took steps to make sure he would'nt be around children, even if their solution seems a bit ass backwards.

They did it because they were REQUIRED BY LAW to do it. It isn't some great moral victory for them. It isn't even just an "ass backwards solution." It's them exploiting a loophole to say, "Fuck everyone else, we still win!"

At least they didn't just move him to a different parish in a different legal district and let him have access to kids... unlike some denominations I could name.

Moving you to a different legal district doesn't really protect you. The reason the Catholic Church gets away with it is because they hide it. This guy has already been caught, tried, & convicted. They CAN'T hide it. They could, & probably would, if they had as much centralized power & influence as the Catholic Church.

[Podkayne]

I'd agree with that. But I think the church is a bit forward thinking to not condemn him out of hand.

No they aren't. They are not doing this out of some sense of compassion. They're doing this because they think their holy asses are always right. They basically said so themselves. Literally, they said the government should have no authority over them. They probably don't even think he did it.

Also, at least they took steps to make sure he would'nt be around children, even if their solution seems a bit ass backwards.

They did it because they were REQUIRED BY LAW to do it. It isn't some great moral victory for them. It isn't even just an "ass backwards solution." It's them exploiting a loophole to say, "Fuck everyone else, we still win!"

At least they didn't just move him to a different parish in a different legal district and let him have access to kids... unlike some denominations I could name.

Moving you to a different legal district doesn't really protect you. The reason the Catholic Church gets away with it is because they hide it. This guy has already been caught, tried, & convicted. They CAN'T hide it. They could, & probably would, if they had as much centralized power & influence as the Catholic Church.

So, what would your solution be?

[Lithp]

Give him other pastoral responsibilities that keep him away from children. Make a new post up, if necessary. But I don't see why you even asked me that. I don't have to come up with my own solution to point out that they aren't even trying.

[Podkayne]

Give him other pastoral responsibilities that keep him away from children. Make a new post up, if necessary. But I don't see why you even asked me that. I don't have to come up with my own solution to point out that they aren't even trying.

Well, I'd say they did that, didn't they?

At least they aren't trying to get him into contact with kids through some loophole.

All I'm really commenting on, is that I think its nice to see an employer who doesn't burr up over the sex offender registry. This guy sounds like an example of the sort of person the sexual offender registry migh actually work with, but too often, I hear about cases where otherwise normal, family friendly people become unemployable pariahs because of the SOR.

[Lithp]

No. What they did was allow him to keep the same duties by screwing over a bunch of other people. Giving him other duties would be...giving him other duties. Give him an office job where he only works with paperwork & adults, for instance.

[Eniliad]

While I agree you can get on the sex offender registry for some stupid shit, I wouldn't call molesting two 15 year olds trivial.

[Podkayne]

While I agree you can get on the sex offender registry for some stupid shit, I wouldn't call molesting two 15 year olds trivial.

I certainly wouldn't either.

[Eniliad]

...except... you did.

[Podkayne]

...except... you did.

I'm sorry if what I said seemed to suggest thats what I was doing. Sorry, I certainly never meant that.

[Radiation]

I actually have to agree with Podkayne on a few points. While the act that the pastor did was reprehensible to many, and I don't condone his actions nor do I condone anyone that violates a person or a child in such a way. I do think that the church is being responsible and allowing this person to keep his job and protecting children by keeping them from the services. Is it an inconvenience? Sure.

However, he is being allowed to keep his job and the church is at least making an effort to keep the kids away from him and from harm. Also, even though this guy is a criminal, he shouldn't be deprived of trying to make a living and who knows if he is trying to better his life?

I have my own reservations about the sex offender registry itself as many have been put on it for simply just peeing in an alley and that they were caught. This is of course trivial but that scarlet letter is on them for the rest of their lives and people will judge them, especially employers, and wonder what it is that they are on the list for.

Now this pastor has had a previous history of child molestation, I understand that, but many people come out of prison have a very difficult time finding employment, doubly so far sex offenders. Should these people be cast aside and forced to live in destitution? This is one of the many reasons that people reoffend; because they can't find jobs and the rest of society looks down upon them. Could they have given this pastor a different job? Perhaps, but he is a pastor and that is his job.

Thing is, his church is willing to forgive him and see past his crimes to keep him there, he must have some sort of quality that they liked to go out of their way to ban children from services. This to me seems to be one of the most "Christian" things that I have seen. Of course no one likes sex offenders, I don't, but these people put that aside to let this man work there. It is definitely better than what the Catholic church does by hiding pedophiles in their ranks, at least these people know that their religious leader is one and perhaps they are more forgiving.





 

[Lithp]

This is not some grand old act of forgiveness & love & FFFFFFFFFFFF---kfjdsplifhdsfjl/sfj;afi'asdfj;dsfj;aifhdso;ah

A Baptist Church is responsible to God alone and not to any person or earthly power. And the Baptist individuale is responsible to God alone and not to any other person or earthly power.
 It is God moving through the members of a Baptist Church who calls a man to serve as Pastor. And it is God moving in the man toward accepting the call. A Pastor is not 'hired". He is called by God.
 It is entirely appropriate that Christ Tabernacle Missionary Baptist Church called Darrell Gilyard to be Pastor.
 The Church is not the first and not the only Baptist Church where a man with a similar background had been called to be Pastor. A few years ago a young man became Pastor at a Baptist Church in Illinois awile after beng released from prison.
 However he was not restricted from being around children and children were allowed at Church.
 It is a good thing when parents teach there children in the home. There have not always been Sunday schools and youth groups in Churches. And there should be no problem holding Sunday school in homes and at other times than at Church when the Pastor is present - if that is so desired.
 Darrell Gilyard is not a pedophile.The word is being misused. A pedophile is always a person with a sexual attraction to children who have not yet reached the age of puberty.
 A person under the age of 18 but above the age of puberty is not a child in the same sense as a person past puberty. They are a teenager, youth, or young adult
 Secular laws that lable all young people under 18 years of age children without differentiating are not appropriate and should be changed.
 Many Churches have what may be called " A Safe Church Policy." Children are not allowed in Church where two adults are not present at the same time. It is not only to protect children but to protect Pastors, staff and Church leaders from false accusations as well - and Church property. Churches carry liability insurance that can be less expensive when there is a Safe Church Policy.
 The calling the man to serve as Pastor is a matter for the Church, the candidate fr Pastor and God alone.

A fuck, they do not give one!

[Radiation]

This is not some grand old act of forgiveness & love & FFFFFFFFFFFF---kfjdsplifhdsfjl/sfj;afi'asdfj;dsfj;aifhdso;ah

A Baptist Church is responsible to God alone and not to any person or earthly power. And the Baptist individuale is responsible to God alone and not to any other person or earthly power.
 It is God moving through the members of a Baptist Church who calls a man to serve as Pastor. And it is God moving in the man toward accepting the call. A Pastor is not 'hired". He is called by God.
 It is entirely appropriate that Christ Tabernacle Missionary Baptist Church called Darrell Gilyard to be Pastor.
 The Church is not the first and not the only Baptist Church where a man with a similar background had been called to be Pastor. A few years ago a young man became Pastor at a Baptist Church in Illinois awile after beng released from prison.
 However he was not restricted from being around children and children were allowed at Church.
 It is a good thing when parents teach there children in the home. There have not always been Sunday schools and youth groups in Churches. And there should be no problem holding Sunday school in homes and at other times than at Church when the Pastor is present - if that is so desired.
 Darrell Gilyard is not a pedophile.The word is being misused. A pedophile is always a person with a sexual attraction to children who have not yet reached the age of puberty.
 A person under the age of 18 but above the age of puberty is not a child in the same sense as a person past puberty. They are a teenager, youth, or young adult
 Secular laws that lable all young people under 18 years of age children without differentiating are not appropriate and should be changed.
 Many Churches have what may be called " A Safe Church Policy." Children are not allowed in Church where two adults are not present at the same time. It is not only to protect children but to protect Pastors, staff and Church leaders from false accusations as well - and Church property. Churches carry liability insurance that can be less expensive when there is a Safe Church Policy.
 The calling the man to serve as Pastor is a matter for the Church, the candidate fr Pastor and God alone.

A fuck, they do not give one!

Ok you got a point there, the church that he is with believes that he was called to be their pastor. I know that a lot of Baptist churches are like that. I do stand by some of what I said. I don't know this particular church and I don't know this particular guy so I can only judge by what is written about him but I tend to be the kind of person to give them the benefit of the doubt and another chance. I see that he has done something similar before so I cannot say that I support wholeheartedly this decision but that is theirs to make.

I understand your position and while I think that the church believes that what they are doing is right, I however do feel that they may be making a stupid mistake. As I said I don't condone what the guy did and really I think he should be in jail or prison, however the courts have made their decision or whatever.