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Re: No Business for Bigots
« Reply #15 on: February 23, 2012, 02:32:38 pm »
I think that storeowners should only be able to kick people out for choices and not immutable traits. Religion, political views, and whether or not you wear shoes are choices. Race, sexual orientation, and gender are not.
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Re: No Business for Bigots
« Reply #16 on: February 23, 2012, 02:59:24 pm »
This situation is unique. In general terms I'd hate to own a business and feel compelled to quiz every prospective customer on his or her beliefs before providing goods or services. Pain in the ass. Know what I mean?
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Re: No Business for Bigots
« Reply #17 on: February 23, 2012, 03:34:24 pm »
This situation is unique. In general terms I'd hate to own a business and feel compelled to quiz every prospective customer on his or her beliefs before providing goods or services. Pain in the ass. Know what I mean?

Exactly. So even if discrimination based on beliefs was allowed, it would be 1) impractical to ask everyone you serve and 2) make you look like a massive douchenozzle to any would-be patrons who disagree with your decision.
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Re: No Business for Bigots
« Reply #18 on: February 23, 2012, 03:59:20 pm »
I think that storeowners should only be able to kick people out for choices and not immutable traits. Religion, political views, and whether or not you wear shoes are choices. Race, sexual orientation, and gender are not.

Hard to say political affliation and religion is a choice. Remember they did a brain scan showing conservatives had bigger Amygdalas.

If voting republican is a choice, so is having sex with someone of the same or similar gender.

However, since this person is in political power, and not some street bigot, I'd say this is justified.
I'd be more sympathetic if people here didn't act like they knew what they were saying when they were saying something very much wrong.

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Re: No Business for Bigots
« Reply #19 on: February 23, 2012, 04:08:26 pm »
This situation is unique. In general terms I'd hate to own a business and feel compelled to quiz every prospective customer on his or her beliefs before providing goods or services. Pain in the ass. Know what I mean?

Simple solution: Only reject business to those people who are loud and vocal about this stuff.
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Re: No Business for Bigots
« Reply #20 on: February 23, 2012, 04:29:28 pm »
My boss has thrown people out of her store for acting like assholes before, and no one's really had a problem with it with the exception of said assholes. But to quote her, "I don't give a fuck if you think this is discrimination, you treat my employees like shit and I won't sell you shit." I thought that was pretty standard protocol- you piss off the business owner, don't expect to get services from that business.

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Re: No Business for Bigots
« Reply #21 on: February 23, 2012, 05:38:53 pm »
My boss has thrown people out of her store for acting like assholes before, and no one's really had a problem with it with the exception of said assholes. But to quote her, "I don't give a fuck if you think this is discrimination, you treat my employees like shit and I won't sell you shit." I thought that was pretty standard protocol- you piss off the business owner, don't expect to get services from that business.

You'd be surprised at how many managers and store owners will gladly throw their employees to the wolves.
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Re: No Business for Bigots
« Reply #22 on: February 23, 2012, 10:04:12 pm »
Well, personally, I applaud this action. My only concern is that the Christians are going to start screaming about 'pershucushun!!"

I hope he doesn't lose too much business over this... some of the religious locals might boycot his business now that this is public knowledge.

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Re: No Business for Bigots
« Reply #23 on: February 23, 2012, 10:15:31 pm »
Well, personally, I applaud this action. My only concern is that the Christians are going to start screaming about 'pershucushun!!"

I hope he doesn't lose too much business over this... some of the religious locals might boycot his business now that this is public knowledge.

If he was worried about that, he wouldn't have done it. Besides, who would want to spend time making someone who hates you beautiful? He'll likely be happy to have such bigots gone from his shop, even if it does mean a small hit to his pocketbook--one that could likely be made up for due to the people who start going there simply to support a stylist with ethics.

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Re: No Business for Bigots
« Reply #24 on: February 24, 2012, 12:05:57 am »
The main point I see here is that the governor's being given a refusal of services because of some specific position that she personally has taken in her role as a public servant. There's no generalization here that I can see, whether against Christians or fundamentalists or governors or women or even anti-gay individuals; it's directed expressly at one person, based on a somewhat unique situation given her power and decisions in that matter.

Within the narrow confines of this, I'm in support of this guy being free to do so.
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Re: No Business for Bigots
« Reply #25 on: February 24, 2012, 12:10:47 am »
I think that storeowners should only be able to kick people out for choices and not immutable traits. Religion, political views, and whether or not you wear shoes are choices. Race, sexual orientation, and gender are not.
Does that mean you'd support a homophobic business owner who refuses to serve someone who participates in gay pride parades or actively campaigns for gay rights (bearing in mind I'm only taking about refusing service based on their pro-gay activism, not their sexuality).

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Re: No Business for Bigots
« Reply #26 on: February 24, 2012, 12:49:11 am »
I think that storeowners should only be able to kick people out for choices and not immutable traits. Religion, political views, and whether or not you wear shoes are choices. Race, sexual orientation, and gender are not.
Does that mean you'd support a homophobic business owner who refuses to serve someone who participates in gay pride parades or actively campaigns for gay rights (bearing in mind I'm only taking about refusing service based on their pro-gay activism, not their sexuality).

I wouldn't support his decision, but I'd support his right to do that.
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Re: No Business for Bigots
« Reply #27 on: February 24, 2012, 12:54:42 am »
I think that storeowners should only be able to kick people out for choices and not immutable traits. Religion, political views, and whether or not you wear shoes are choices. Race, sexual orientation, and gender are not.
Does that mean you'd support a homophobic business owner who refuses to serve someone who participates in gay pride parades or actively campaigns for gay rights (bearing in mind I'm only taking about refusing service based on their pro-gay activism, not their sexuality).

I wouldn't support his decision, but I'd support his right to do that.

I see no problem with that.

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Re: No Business for Bigots
« Reply #28 on: February 24, 2012, 01:01:13 am »
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Remember they did a brain scan showing conservatives had bigger Amygdalas.

So? It's still a pretty big mystery how the brain developes. When you find abnormal growth correlated with a specific trait, did the growth cause the trait or did the trait cause the growth? Or maybe it's a coincidence.

For me, I support (A) karma & (B) screwing over people who are an actual threat.

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Re: No Business for Bigots
« Reply #29 on: February 24, 2012, 01:42:47 am »
This situation is unique. In general terms I'd hate to own a business and feel compelled to quiz every prospective customer on his or her beliefs before providing goods or services. Pain in the ass. Know what I mean?

Simple solution: Only reject business to those people who are loud and vocal about this stuff.
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