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Community => Politics and Government => Topic started by: Askold on February 05, 2018, 05:39:15 am

Title: VOCAPs
Post by: Askold on February 05, 2018, 05:39:15 am

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6PDe5hIYjg


I just wanted to share this stupidity.

He starts out by saying that voting is a violation of NAP (non aggression principle) and later goes on to complain that ANCAPs have a bad reputation because of the "anarco" part in their name.

For the first part:

What is violent about voting? By participating in democracy you are given a chance to affect the government, the policies and laws through proxy. Sure, it's not usually direct democracy but in countries it would be incredibly slow, massive and incompetent way to make major decisions and electing politicians to represent the will of the people is still letting the people voluntarily choose how the country is run.

How are ANCAPS or VOCAPS supposed to do anything with other people if mutual agreement is a violation of the NAP?


As for the "anarchist" bit... They are still trying to dismantle the state as much as possible. Aside from realizing that he's doomed to fail all he did was change the name. He isn't actually changing anything in the ANCAP philosophy.

Title: Re: VOCAPs
Post by: RavynousHunter on February 05, 2018, 11:58:52 am

People don't like ANCAPs because of the "anarchist" bit?  Colour me fucking shocked, Batman.  Its almost like anarchism is complete bullshit, betraying a person's complete, fundamental misunderstanding of the purpose of having an effective governing body.

Though, I agree that anarchists shouldn't vote.  After all, voting is tacit support of government, and government isn't the solution to (some) problems, government is the problem and now you have cholera.

Title: Re: VOCAPs
Post by: Skybison on February 05, 2018, 03:00:42 pm

How the hell is it remotely possible for all social interactions to be voluntary?  I'm walking down the road, turn the corner and bump into another guy.  Boom social interaction that neither of us chose to have.

Title: Re: VOCAPs
Post by: Lana Reverse on February 05, 2018, 04:02:15 pm

Quote from: Skybison on February 05, 2018, 03:00:42 pm

How the hell is it remotely possible for all social interactions to be voluntary?  I'm walking down the road, turn the corner and bump into another guy.  Boom social interaction that neither of us chose to have.

Ancaps make lolbertarians look rational and reasonable by comparison. I'm not surprised they don't understand the nature of social interaction.

Title: Re: VOCAPs
Post by: niam2023 on February 05, 2018, 06:44:06 pm

These are the same people who react to difference of opinion with HELICOPTERS KILL KILL KILL KILL YOU FOR THAT DISAGREEMENT!!

Rationality was never their strong suit.

Title: Re: VOCAPs
Post by: Lana Reverse on February 05, 2018, 08:55:45 pm

Quote from: niam2023 on February 05, 2018, 06:44:06 pm

These are the same people who react to difference of opinion with HELICOPTERS KILL KILL KILL KILL YOU FOR THAT DISAGREEMENT!!

Rationality was never their strong suit.

...I think you may have ancaps confused with the alt-right.

Title: Re: VOCAPs
Post by: niam2023 on February 05, 2018, 09:51:12 pm

ANCAPs are the helicopter / Pinochet fetish guys.

Title: Re: VOCAPs
Post by: Lana Reverse on February 05, 2018, 11:30:27 pm

Quote from: niam2023 on February 05, 2018, 09:51:12 pm

ANCAPs are the helicopter / Pinochet fetish guys.

Again, I thought it was the alt-right that mostly did that. It seems unlikely that anarchists would be Pinochet fans.

Then again, there are ancoms who like Stalin and Mao, so maybe you're right.