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Title: MORE IMPORTANT THINGS
Post by: Jacob Harrison on June 25, 2018, 09:57:28 am
In case you haven’t read my earlier post of what happened on the night of June 9th, this is what happened.

“On the night of June 9th, a blue portal appeared in my room. I walked through it and showed up in a castle. I met my parallel self from a parallel universe. He is a guard at the castle. A wizard performed a spell that merged us into one, and my merged self was told to go travel back to this universe to make animated videos documenting the events that happened in the parallel universe. The parallel universe was created by advanced time traveling aliens who change history which causes one timeline to split into two parallel timelines. The time that major world incidents changed started on the Halloween of 2011.”

So my parallel selves are merged into one so I have memories from both this universe and from the other universe. The other parralel universe is much more exciting with much more drastic events happening such as there being a new King with the Sword of Excalibur returning as King Arthur foretold when he was dying. I suggest you watch the 1981 movie Excalibur to get a better understanding of it.

The new King of course, is the heir to the legitimate line of succession of the English throne as the direct heir to John Beaufort. However unfortunately a chaotic situation caused him to be overthrown in 2017. The chaotic situation began when his younger brother was seduced into having romantic premarital sex by a liberal bimbo as part of her master plan to overthrow the King and restore the Parliamentary Democracy and the House of Windsor to England. The moral of the story is that premarital sex brings disaster.
Title: Re: MORE IMPORTANT THINGS
Post by: Art Vandelay on June 25, 2018, 10:39:59 am
I have to say, you were funnier in the old days.
Title: Re: MORE IMPORTANT THINGS
Post by: dpareja on June 25, 2018, 12:04:14 pm
Cool story bro.
Title: Re: MORE IMPORTANT THINGS
Post by: Lana Reverse on June 25, 2018, 01:26:36 pm
Well, at least he's not advocating conversion therapy or whitewashing colonialism.
Title: Re: MORE IMPORTANT THINGS
Post by: Jacob Harrison on June 25, 2018, 02:07:19 pm
Cool story bro.

Yes. The events that happened in the other universe can be used to teach us valuable lessons on who should be on England’s throne and how being seduced with premarital sex causes disaster.
Title: Re: MORE IMPORTANT THINGS
Post by: niam2023 on June 25, 2018, 02:48:07 pm
[Premarital sex causes disasters]

I am proud to say I have caused so many, many, many disasters.
Title: Re: MORE IMPORTANT THINGS
Post by: Jacob Harrison on June 25, 2018, 03:27:54 pm
[Premarital sex causes disasters]

I am proud to say I have caused so many, many, many disasters.

Have you ever considered how many poor illegitimate children you have that have a crappy life being raised by hookers?

Being tempted to have premarital sex can also cause you to do stupid things to impress the lady such as stupid challenges that can get you hospitalized or even die. In the parallel universe, the King’s brother being seduced by the bimbo mastermind caused him to do things that caused the Kingdom of England to fall.
Title: Re: MORE IMPORTANT THINGS
Post by: niam2023 on June 25, 2018, 03:52:08 pm
If there were kids magically created despite condom use on my part, I'd be kind of impressed.

As for that wacky ass story, good. Glad to hear that.

Now tonight I have another disaster to commence.
Title: Re: MORE IMPORTANT THINGS
Post by: Jacob Harrison on June 25, 2018, 05:50:01 pm
If there were kids magically created despite condom use on my part, I'd be kind of impressed.

As for that wacky ass story, good. Glad to hear that.

Now tonight I have another disaster to commence.

Well it is a disaster because according to Options for Sexual Health.org, even using condoms is not 100 percent effective at preventing STIs. https://www.optionsforsexualhealth.org/sexual-health/sexually-transmitted-infections/can-i-get-sti-if

Therefore, you are contributing to the spread of sexually transmitted diseases/aids. That is why I find it disturbing that you hope my children become promiscuous and get infected.

It is also a disaster that you and others are so addicted to sex that you keep having sex instead of foccusing on better things to do in your life. What do you even do for a living? Despite my struggles, at least I am getting an education at a Community College.

Don’t you realize that you can enjoy as much sexual pleasure masterbating about hot women? I masterbate to control my sexual urges and it feels just as great.
Title: Re: MORE IMPORTANT THINGS
Post by: niam2023 on June 25, 2018, 06:14:27 pm
So by having promiscuous sex safely and having not even once contracted a sexually transmitted disease, I am contributing to the spread of sexually transmitted disease.

Still hoping your prospective kids defy your religion and have fun in college.

I am getting an education at college, getting a job as a male model (ooga booga I'll incite lust in people who look at my pics!), working in a warehouse. Sex is great, and the fact you and so many other conservatives are so afraid of it will just make my dick harder when I enjoy myself.
Title: Re: MORE IMPORTANT THINGS
Post by: Jacob Harrison on June 25, 2018, 07:11:43 pm
So by having promiscuous sex safely and having not even once contracted a sexually transmitted disease, I am contributing to the spread of sexually transmitted disease.

Still hoping your prospective kids defy your religion and have fun in college.

I am getting an education at college, getting a job as a male model (ooga booga I'll incite lust in people who look at my pics!), working in a warehouse. Sex is great, and the fact you and so many other conservatives are so afraid of it will just make my dick harder when I enjoy myself.

Well the study shows that even condoms are not 100 percent effective at stopping STI’s, so while you may have not been affected, there is a strong possibility that you spread some slight infection to other women, and the continuation of the spreading of slight infections when added up could become deadly and innocent people who don’t have sex can become harmed.

Another thing is, do you have sex with cheating wives? How can you not consider even adultry to be immoral?

And how do you find these women? Do you find them on porn sites? If so, by going on the sites and increasing the traffic on them, you are contributing to sex trafficking.
Title: Re: MORE IMPORTANT THINGS
Post by: niam2023 on June 25, 2018, 07:41:54 pm
Closest to 100% as possible, and everyone involved makes sure to be safe.

Yep, I fucked a few bored housewives. In fact, one time a picture of her husband fell out of her pocket. She asked me if it bothered me. I pulled her on top of it and fucked her.

I just meet up with women on the town, at the gym, at college, and walking around. The wonders actually having an amazingly attractive body does. And yes, I do go on Porn sites and look at their videos when I can't find a good lay.
Title: Re: MORE IMPORTANT THINGS
Post by: Jacob Harrison on June 25, 2018, 08:11:16 pm
Closest to 100% as possible, and everyone involved makes sure to be safe.

Yep, I fucked a few bored housewives. In fact, one time a picture of her husband fell out of her pocket. She asked me if it bothered me. I pulled her on top of it and fucked her.

I just meet up with women on the town, at the gym, at college, and walking around. The wonders actually having an amazingly attractive body does. And yes, I do go on Porn sites and look at their videos when I can't find a good lay.

So you don’t think cheating on a spouse is wrong? And you don’t consider pornography to be exploitative of women? This shows that us conservative Christians have better moral teachings on loving relationships, and women’s rights than you atheists.
Title: Re: MORE IMPORTANT THINGS
Post by: dpareja on June 25, 2018, 08:16:18 pm
Closest to 100% as possible, and everyone involved makes sure to be safe.

Yep, I fucked a few bored housewives. In fact, one time a picture of her husband fell out of her pocket. She asked me if it bothered me. I pulled her on top of it and fucked her.

I just meet up with women on the town, at the gym, at college, and walking around. The wonders actually having an amazingly attractive body does. And yes, I do go on Porn sites and look at their videos when I can't find a good lay.

So you don’t think cheating on a spouse is wrong? And you don’t consider pornography to be exploitative of women? This shows that us conservative Christians have better moral teachings on loving relationships, and women’s rights than you atheists.

Consenting adults, and consenting adults.

Now, if you want to argue that there wasn't consent, that'd be another matter... and if you want to argue that there can't be consent I have some radfem blogs I'd love to show you.
Title: Re: MORE IMPORTANT THINGS
Post by: niam2023 on June 25, 2018, 08:26:01 pm
Closest to 100% as possible, and everyone involved makes sure to be safe.

Yep, I fucked a few bored housewives. In fact, one time a picture of her husband fell out of her pocket. She asked me if it bothered me. I pulled her on top of it and fucked her.

I just meet up with women on the town, at the gym, at college, and walking around. The wonders actually having an amazingly attractive body does. And yes, I do go on Porn sites and look at their videos when I can't find a good lay.

So you don’t think cheating on a spouse is wrong? And you don’t consider pornography to be exploitative of women? This shows that us conservative Christians have better moral teachings on loving relationships, and women’s rights than you atheists.

Consenting adults, and consenting adults, as Dpareja said. And no, Jacob, more restrictive and controlling does not equal better moral teachings.
Title: Re: MORE IMPORTANT THINGS
Post by: Jacob Harrison on June 25, 2018, 09:07:55 pm
Closest to 100% as possible, and everyone involved makes sure to be safe.

Yep, I fucked a few bored housewives. In fact, one time a picture of her husband fell out of her pocket. She asked me if it bothered me. I pulled her on top of it and fucked her.

I just meet up with women on the town, at the gym, at college, and walking around. The wonders actually having an amazingly attractive body does. And yes, I do go on Porn sites and look at their videos when I can't find a good lay.

So you don’t think cheating on a spouse is wrong? And you don’t consider pornography to be exploitative of women? This shows that us conservative Christians have better moral teachings on loving relationships, and women’s rights than you atheists.

Consenting adults, and consenting adults.

Now, if you want to argue that there wasn't consent, that'd be another matter... and if you want to argue that there can't be consent I have some radfem blogs I'd love to show you.

But a couple in marriage are in a legal lifelong loving relationship so yeah it is consensual, but it is immoral to be having sex with someone who is married. Wouldn’t you be upset if you had a wife and you found out that she cheated on you?

And pornography is exploitive of women because it puts them in an industry that treats them as sex objects and not as people, and because pornography often attacks perverts. Pornography is a form of prostitution.
Title: Re: MORE IMPORTANT THINGS
Post by: dpareja on June 25, 2018, 09:32:09 pm
Closest to 100% as possible, and everyone involved makes sure to be safe.

Yep, I fucked a few bored housewives. In fact, one time a picture of her husband fell out of her pocket. She asked me if it bothered me. I pulled her on top of it and fucked her.

I just meet up with women on the town, at the gym, at college, and walking around. The wonders actually having an amazingly attractive body does. And yes, I do go on Porn sites and look at their videos when I can't find a good lay.

So you don’t think cheating on a spouse is wrong? And you don’t consider pornography to be exploitative of women? This shows that us conservative Christians have better moral teachings on loving relationships, and women’s rights than you atheists.

Consenting adults, and consenting adults.

Now, if you want to argue that there wasn't consent, that'd be another matter... and if you want to argue that there can't be consent I have some radfem blogs I'd love to show you.

But a couple in marriage are in a legal lifelong loving relationship so yeah it is consensual, but it is immoral to be having sex with someone who is married. Wouldn’t you be upset if you had a wife and you found out that she cheated on you?

And pornography is exploitive of women because it puts them in an industry that treats them as sex objects and not as people, and because pornography often attacks perverts. Pornography is a form of prostitution.

1. Sure. But that's a private matter between me and my partner and you can fuck off with your moral judgments.

2. If they've chosen to be in that industry and can leave as they choose, then that's their own choice. (If they can't, then, yes, there's cause for action.) As for prostitution, I think it should be legal, since it happens anyway, harms nobody outside those consenting to engage in the act, and legalising it makes it safer for all concerned. (Look up the Robert Pickton case from up here for what happens when you ban various activities surrounding prostitution, and also see Canada (AG) v. Bedford (https://scc-csc.lexum.com/scc-csc/scc-csc/en/item/13389/index.do). Sadly the Conservatives were in power at the time and they enacted what is probably an even worse model which made everyone engaging the services of a sex worker a criminal.)

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In Vancouver, for example, “Grandma’s House” was established to support street workers in the Downtown Eastside, at about the same time as fears were growing that a serial killer was prowling the streets — fears which materialized in the notorious Robert Pickton.

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In my view, this conclusion was not in error.  The harms identified by the courts below are grossly disproportionate to the deterrence of community disruption that is the object of the law.  Parliament has the power to regulate against nuisances, but not at the cost of the health, safety and lives of prostitutes.  A law that prevents street prostitutes from resorting to a safe haven such as Grandma’s House while a suspected serial killer prowls the streets, is a law that has lost sight of its purpose.

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It is certainly conceivable, as this passage suggests, that some street prostitutes would not refuse a client even if communication revealed potential danger.  It is also conceivable that the danger may not be perfectly predicted in advance.  However, that does not negate the application judge’s finding that communication is an essential tool that can decrease risk.  The assessment is qualitative, not quantitative.  If screening could have prevented one woman from jumping into Robert Pickton’s car, the severity of the harmful effects is established.

(https://i1.wp.com/leftycartoons.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/23/2018/05/sexwork.png)

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Sex work is, for me, in the same category as smoking pot or (until recently) not legally recognizing same-sex marriages, a category I’d describe as “there’s just no logical reason this should be illegal.”

This cartoon focuses on how little sense the arguments against legalization make. But the most important line, for me, is in panel 2: “Wouldn’t that make things worse for maids?” It seems clear that 1) no law will ever succeed in wiping out sex work, and 2) laws making sex work illegal inevitably hurt the sex workers themselves.

When the government outlaws something, it’s going to lead to people being hurt.

And sometimes it’s worth it. Lowering the speed limit to 20mph in a residential zone will harm some people. Some people will be made late, some people will have to pay speeding tickets, etc. But in exchange for that, we get a big gain – pedestrians hit by cars will have a much higher chance of surviving. The gain, in this case, seems worth the loss.

But outlawing selling sex makes it much more likely that sex workers will be assaulted, hurt, even killed, and makes it much harder for them to go to police for help. And the more marginalized a sex worker is (for instance, because of race, or because of being trans) the more endangered they are. This doesn’t seem to be a case where the gains justify the losses.
Title: Re: MORE IMPORTANT THINGS
Post by: niam2023 on June 25, 2018, 09:45:25 pm
Closest to 100% as possible, and everyone involved makes sure to be safe.

Yep, I fucked a few bored housewives. In fact, one time a picture of her husband fell out of her pocket. She asked me if it bothered me. I pulled her on top of it and fucked her.

I just meet up with women on the town, at the gym, at college, and walking around. The wonders actually having an amazingly attractive body does. And yes, I do go on Porn sites and look at their videos when I can't find a good lay.

So you don’t think cheating on a spouse is wrong? And you don’t consider pornography to be exploitative of women? This shows that us conservative Christians have better moral teachings on loving relationships, and women’s rights than you atheists.

Consenting adults, and consenting adults.

Now, if you want to argue that there wasn't consent, that'd be another matter... and if you want to argue that there can't be consent I have some radfem blogs I'd love to show you.

But a couple in marriage are in a legal lifelong loving relationship so yeah it is consensual, but it is immoral to be having sex with someone who is married. Wouldn’t you be upset if you had a wife and you found out that she cheated on you?

And pornography is exploitive of women because it puts them in an industry that treats them as sex objects and not as people, and because pornography often attacks perverts. Pornography is a form of prostitution.

I don't ever intend to have such a long time commitment as a wife. So I wouldn't know. Well, one time one of my girlfriends revealed she had sex with a water polo dude. Instead of flipping out, both me and water polo dude ah, enjoyed the fruits of our relationship with her at the same time  ;)

Prostitution as it is is not legal in most places. Porn is. There's an important distinction to be made. Also, maybe we really shouldn't have prostitution be illegal.

Title: Re: MORE IMPORTANT THINGS
Post by: Jacob Harrison on June 25, 2018, 09:55:46 pm
Closest to 100% as possible, and everyone involved makes sure to be safe.

Yep, I fucked a few bored housewives. In fact, one time a picture of her husband fell out of her pocket. She asked me if it bothered me. I pulled her on top of it and fucked her.

I just meet up with women on the town, at the gym, at college, and walking around. The wonders actually having an amazingly attractive body does. And yes, I do go on Porn sites and look at their videos when I can't find a good lay.

So you don’t think cheating on a spouse is wrong? And you don’t consider pornography to be exploitative of women? This shows that us conservative Christians have better moral teachings on loving relationships, and women’s rights than you atheists.

Consenting adults, and consenting adults.

Now, if you want to argue that there wasn't consent, that'd be another matter... and if you want to argue that there can't be consent I have some radfem blogs I'd love to show you.

But a couple in marriage are in a legal lifelong loving relationship so yeah it is consensual, but it is immoral to be having sex with someone who is married. Wouldn’t you be upset if you had a wife and you found out that she cheated on you?

And pornography is exploitive of women because it puts them in an industry that treats them as sex objects and not as people, and because pornography often attacks perverts. Pornography is a form of prostitution.

1. Sure. But that's a private matter between me and my partner and you can fuck off with your moral judgments.

2. If they've chosen to be in that industry and can leave as they choose, then that's their own choice. (If they can't, then, yes, there's cause for action.) As for prostitution, I think it should be legal, since it happens anyway, harms nobody outside those consenting to engage in the act, and legalising it makes it safer for all concerned. (Look up the Robert Pickton case from up here for what happens when you ban various activities surrounding prostitution, and also see Canada (AG) v. Bedford (https://scc-csc.lexum.com/scc-csc/scc-csc/en/item/13389/index.do). Sadly the Conservatives were in power at the time and they enacted what is probably an even worse model which made everyone engaging the services of a sex worker a criminal.)

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In Vancouver, for example, “Grandma’s House” was established to support street workers in the Downtown Eastside, at about the same time as fears were growing that a serial killer was prowling the streets — fears which materialized in the notorious Robert Pickton.

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In my view, this conclusion was not in error.  The harms identified by the courts below are grossly disproportionate to the deterrence of community disruption that is the object of the law.  Parliament has the power to regulate against nuisances, but not at the cost of the health, safety and lives of prostitutes.  A law that prevents street prostitutes from resorting to a safe haven such as Grandma’s House while a suspected serial killer prowls the streets, is a law that has lost sight of its purpose.

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It is certainly conceivable, as this passage suggests, that some street prostitutes would not refuse a client even if communication revealed potential danger.  It is also conceivable that the danger may not be perfectly predicted in advance.  However, that does not negate the application judge’s finding that communication is an essential tool that can decrease risk.  The assessment is qualitative, not quantitative.  If screening could have prevented one woman from jumping into Robert Pickton’s car, the severity of the harmful effects is established.

(https://i1.wp.com/leftycartoons.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/23/2018/05/sexwork.png)

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Sex work is, for me, in the same category as smoking pot or (until recently) not legally recognizing same-sex marriages, a category I’d describe as “there’s just no logical reason this should be illegal.”

This cartoon focuses on how little sense the arguments against legalization make. But the most important line, for me, is in panel 2: “Wouldn’t that make things worse for maids?” It seems clear that 1) no law will ever succeed in wiping out sex work, and 2) laws making sex work illegal inevitably hurt the sex workers themselves.

When the government outlaws something, it’s going to lead to people being hurt.

And sometimes it’s worth it. Lowering the speed limit to 20mph in a residential zone will harm some people. Some people will be made late, some people will have to pay speeding tickets, etc. But in exchange for that, we get a big gain – pedestrians hit by cars will have a much higher chance of surviving. The gain, in this case, seems worth the loss.

But outlawing selling sex makes it much more likely that sex workers will be assaulted, hurt, even killed, and makes it much harder for them to go to police for help. And the more marginalized a sex worker is (for instance, because of race, or because of being trans) the more endangered they are. This doesn’t seem to be a case where the gains justify the losses.

Well if Grandma’s house kept the prostitutes safe while reporting them to the police, then it wouldn’t be a problem. The prostitutes would have been put in prison, given counseling, and taught to stop being prostitutes. The gains of prosecuting prostitutes to stop the act of prostitution outways the losses. Prostitutes can still go to the police and it is up to them to decide on whether to choose to be safe in prison or in danger in the streets.
Title: Re: MORE IMPORTANT THINGS
Post by: Jacob Harrison on June 25, 2018, 10:00:49 pm
Closest to 100% as possible, and everyone involved makes sure to be safe.

Yep, I fucked a few bored housewives. In fact, one time a picture of her husband fell out of her pocket. She asked me if it bothered me. I pulled her on top of it and fucked her.

I just meet up with women on the town, at the gym, at college, and walking around. The wonders actually having an amazingly attractive body does. And yes, I do go on Porn sites and look at their videos when I can't find a good lay.

So you don’t think cheating on a spouse is wrong? And you don’t consider pornography to be exploitative of women? This shows that us conservative Christians have better moral teachings on loving relationships, and women’s rights than you atheists.

Consenting adults, and consenting adults.

Now, if you want to argue that there wasn't consent, that'd be another matter... and if you want to argue that there can't be consent I have some radfem blogs I'd love to show you.

But a couple in marriage are in a legal lifelong loving relationship so yeah it is consensual, but it is immoral to be having sex with someone who is married. Wouldn’t you be upset if you had a wife and you found out that she cheated on you?

And pornography is exploitive of women because it puts them in an industry that treats them as sex objects and not as people, and because pornography often attacks perverts. Pornography is a form of prostitution.

I don't ever intend to have such a long time commitment as a wife. So I wouldn't know. Well, one time one of my girlfriends revealed she had sex with a water polo dude. Instead of flipping out, both me and water polo dude ah, enjoyed the fruits of our relationship with her at the same time  ;)

Prostitution as it is is not legal in most places. Porn is. There's an important distinction to be made. Also, maybe we really shouldn't have prostitution be illegal.

1. Well many husbands and wives do not want their spouses to cheat on them. Learn to consider their perspectives.

2. Well prostitution is selling your body, and since profit is made off of the porn industry, it is prostitution.
Title: Re: MORE IMPORTANT THINGS
Post by: dpareja on June 26, 2018, 03:08:00 am
First, FUCK YOU.

Now that that's out of my system for the moment...

The act of selling sex was and is not illegal in Canada, and until the post-Bedford changes to prostitution law in Canada, nor was buying sex.

What was illegal were a number of things, among them the three challenged in Bedford that made prostitution (which was itself, I repeat, not illegal) dramatically more unsafe:

1. Keeping a common bawdy house, ie a brothel. What this meant is that sex workers could not operate in an environment where they could have things like security cameras, making their work dramatically more unsafe. (This is the provision under which Grandma's House, a safe haven at a time when there was a serial killer targeting prostitutes roaming the streets and ultimately claiming at least six and possibly as many as forty-nine victims*, was shut down.)

2. Living off the avails of another's prostitution. (Note that courts had long held that this was limited to doing so for the purposes of supporting that prostitution--a sex worker could still buy groceries with money earned from sex work without the grocer or the prostitute being criminally liable.) This meant that sex workers could not hire bodyguards or receptionists (for the brothels they couldn't have anyway), making their work dramatically more unsafe.

3. Communicating in public for the purposes of prostitution. What this meant was that sex workers, already mostly forced to work on the street, could not legally negotiate price or other matters, such as condom use, until they had already gotten to a private place with their client, which was necessarily far more unsafe than being able to do so in a place where other sex workers could watch out for them.

Again: selling sex was and is legal; buying sex was legal at the time of Bedford and is no longer so (which, again, I think is stupid). The bawdy-house provision necessarily limited prostitution to street prostitution or outcalls, which were themselves then made unconstitutionally unsafe by the other provisions.

And now I'm angry again: FUCK YOU FOR TRYING TO IMPOSE YOUR ASS-BACKWARDS "MORALITY" ON THE REST OF US WHO DO NOT SUBSCRIBE TO ITS UNPROVEN UNDERPINNINGS.

There is simply no reason for prostitution to be illegal, and if it were fully legal it would be much easier for those sex workers in problematic situations to get out of those situations by going to the police for protection without worrying about law enforcement looking into what laws they might have broken, and it would also mean that prostitutes could work without the fear that, since all of their clients are committing a criminal act simply by engaging their services, that client might not decide that, already being a criminal, there is far less disincentive to commit other criminal acts, such as taking the sex further than the prostitute is comfortable going (ie rape) or becoming the next Pickton (ie murder).

And, to quote the late George Carlin:

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Selling is legal. Fucking is legal. Why isn't selling fucking legal?

*Pickton was convicted of six charges of second-degree murder. Since that was enough to put him away for life, the Crown dropped another twenty murder charges. He evidently confessed to forty-nine murders to an undercover agent posing as a cellmate, saying he wished he could have killed another woman to have an even fifty. (Note: Pickton was charged with first-degree murder, but was acquitted of that and convicted of second-degree murder. However, he was sentenced on all six counts to life without parole for twenty-five years--second-degree murder allows anywhere from ten to twenty-five--which is what he would have received had he been convicted of first-degree murder, where twenty-five years is automatic.)
Title: Re: MORE IMPORTANT THINGS
Post by: niam2023 on June 26, 2018, 04:30:51 am
Thank you Dpareja - said it better than I could have.

When will these conservatives realize nobody else WANTS to have them force their belief system on everyone?
Title: Re: MORE IMPORTANT THINGS
Post by: Jacob Harrison on June 26, 2018, 01:30:51 pm
First, FUCK YOU.

Now that that's out of my system for the moment...

The act of selling sex was and is not illegal in Canada, and until the post-Bedford changes to prostitution law in Canada, nor was buying sex.

What was illegal were a number of things, among them the three challenged in Bedford that made prostitution (which was itself, I repeat, not illegal) dramatically more unsafe:

1. Keeping a common bawdy house, ie a brothel. What this meant is that sex workers could not operate in an environment where they could have things like security cameras, making their work dramatically more unsafe. (This is the provision under which Grandma's House, a safe haven at a time when there was a serial killer targeting prostitutes roaming the streets and ultimately claiming at least six and possibly as many as forty-nine victims*, was shut down.)

2. Living off the avails of another's prostitution. (Note that courts had long held that this was limited to doing so for the purposes of supporting that prostitution--a sex worker could still buy groceries with money earned from sex work without the grocer or the prostitute being criminally liable.) This meant that sex workers could not hire bodyguards or receptionists (for the brothels they couldn't have anyway), making their work dramatically more unsafe.

3. Communicating in public for the purposes of prostitution. What this meant was that sex workers, already mostly forced to work on the street, could not legally negotiate price or other matters, such as condom use, until they had already gotten to a private place with their client, which was necessarily far more unsafe than being able to do so in a place where other sex workers could watch out for them.

Again: selling sex was and is legal; buying sex was legal at the time of Bedford and is no longer so (which, again, I think is stupid). The bawdy-house provision necessarily limited prostitution to street prostitution or outcalls, which were themselves then made unconstitutionally unsafe by the other provisions.

And now I'm angry again: FUCK YOU FOR TRYING TO IMPOSE YOUR ASS-BACKWARDS "MORALITY" ON THE REST OF US WHO DO NOT SUBSCRIBE TO ITS UNPROVEN UNDERPINNINGS.

There is simply no reason for prostitution to be illegal, and if it were fully legal it would be much easier for those sex workers in problematic situations to get out of those situations by going to the police for protection without worrying about law enforcement looking into what laws they might have broken, and it would also mean that prostitutes could work without the fear that, since all of their clients are committing a criminal act simply by engaging their services, that client might not decide that, already being a criminal, there is far less disincentive to commit other criminal acts, such as taking the sex further than the prostitute is comfortable going (ie rape) or becoming the next Pickton (ie murder).

And, to quote the late George Carlin:

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Selling is legal. Fucking is legal. Why isn't selling fucking legal?

*Pickton was convicted of six charges of second-degree murder. Since that was enough to put him away for life, the Crown dropped another twenty murder charges. He evidently confessed to forty-nine murders to an undercover agent posing as a cellmate, saying he wished he could have killed another woman to have an even fifty. (Note: Pickton was charged with first-degree murder, but was acquitted of that and convicted of second-degree murder. However, he was sentenced on all six counts to life without parole for twenty-five years--second-degree murder allows anywhere from ten to twenty-five--which is what he would have received had he been convicted of first-degree murder, where twenty-five years is automatic.)

Right, so if prostitution was completely illegal, then there wouldn’t be these complications. It would be hard for government to regulate it in a way that prevents sex trafficking.
Title: Re: MORE IMPORTANT THINGS
Post by: dpareja on June 26, 2018, 03:25:25 pm
If prostitution were completely illegal it would be hard for the government to prevent sex trafficking since the victims of said trafficking would be piss-scared to go to law enforcement, since they would also potentially face criminal liability.

Which is yet another reason I think prostitution should be fully legalised.

And as someone noted: why should it be illegal to sell something that can be legally given away for free? (Again, it is not illegal to sell sex here, but it is now illegal to buy it.)
Title: Re: MORE IMPORTANT THINGS
Post by: Jacob Harrison on June 26, 2018, 04:14:57 pm
If prostitution were completely illegal it would be hard for the government to prevent sex trafficking since the victims of said trafficking would be piss-scared to go to law enforcement, since they would also potentially face criminal liability.

Which is yet another reason I think prostitution should be fully legalised.

And as someone noted: why should it be illegal to sell something that can be legally given away for free? (Again, it is not illegal to sell sex here, but it is now illegal to buy it.)

Well most people would chose surviving and going to jail over avoiding the police and getting murdered. Sex is something that should not be sold period, because it easily causes a sex trafficking industry if there isn’t extreme government supervision, and then people would have to pay taxes to fund the supervision programs.
Title: Re: MORE IMPORTANT THINGS
Post by: Askold on June 26, 2018, 05:00:10 pm
...You do realize that the taxes gathered from prostitutes and bordellos would pay for that supervision and more? It would also reduce medical bills due to better supervision and improved safety to prostitutes helping not only curb STDs (in some regions women get charged for prostitution if they have several condoms on them) but also reduce other work related threats like violent customers.

I suppose the main difference here is that I don't see prostitution as morally wrong (the bible doesn't condemn it and even Jesus was ok with prostitutes and in fact said more than a little about helping and being kind to those who have suffered hardships and are poor) and therefore there is no downside to legalizing it, only benefits.
Title: Re: MORE IMPORTANT THINGS
Post by: dpareja on June 26, 2018, 05:43:23 pm
...You do realize that the taxes gathered from prostitutes and bordellos would pay for that supervision and more?

Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if legal prostitution ended up being a pretty big cash windfall, like how legal recreational marijuana has been places like Colorado (where they have more money than they can spend and are cutting cheques to all their taxpayers as rebates).

And here's the thing: whatever you do, you're not going to stamp out sex work. It simply WILL NOT HAPPEN. Far better, then, to legalize it, tax it, and regulate it properly than pour resources into unsuccessfully trying to stamp it out, making it unsafe for those who engage in it regardless, and realize no tax revenue from it.

Is sex trafficking going to be a problem? Sure--but it'll be a problem however you approach prostitution. Better to have revenues from legal, legitimate sex work to fund anti-sex trafficking programs than to have to spend other public resources on that.
Title: Re: MORE IMPORTANT THINGS
Post by: Jacob Harrison on June 26, 2018, 08:14:06 pm
...You do realize that the taxes gathered from prostitutes and bordellos would pay for that supervision and more? It would also reduce medical bills due to better supervision and improved safety to prostitutes helping not only curb STDs (in some regions women get charged for prostitution if they have several condoms on them) but also reduce other work related threats like violent customers.

I suppose the main difference here is that I don't see prostitution as morally wrong (the bible doesn't condemn it and even Jesus was ok with prostitutes and in fact said more than a little about helping and being kind to those who have suffered hardships and are poor) and therefore there is no downside to legalizing it, only benefits.

But having sex being sold for profit could lead to the supervisors being bribed to not supervise what is going on. It is too dangerous.

Jesus was kind to prostitutes understanding that in Ancient Roman Culture, prostitution was common and taught Christians to help prostitutes, but he also taught that sex outside of marriage is morally wrong so he wanted Christians to be kind to prostitutes but tell them to stop being prostitutes.
Title: Re: MORE IMPORTANT THINGS
Post by: Askold on June 27, 2018, 05:18:07 am
a) By your logic any law enforcement is "too dangerous" because you can attempt to bribe anyone for any reason.

b) Show me a quote from Jesus where he says that prostitution is wrong? Adultery is wrong according to bible but not all prostitution is adultery.
Title: Re: MORE IMPORTANT THINGS
Post by: Jacob Harrison on June 27, 2018, 09:32:41 am
a) By your logic any law enforcement is "too dangerous" because you can attempt to bribe anyone for any reason.

b) Show me a quote from Jesus where he says that prostitution is wrong? Adultery is wrong according to bible but not all prostitution is adultery.

A) It is extra dangerous in an industry such as prostitution since sex trafficking is one of the most serious crimes.

B) You made a good point on how Jesus never mentioned prostitution. However fornication was condemned by the Apostle Paul.
Title: Re: MORE IMPORTANT THINGS
Post by: Eiki-mun on June 27, 2018, 10:30:51 am
Well most people would chose surviving and going to jail over avoiding the police and getting murdered.

Funny how, in practice, that doesn't happen. In fact it's quite the opposite - many if not the vast majority of prostitutes in America (where it is legal) choose to avoid the police and risk getting murdered, rather than "go to jail and survive", as you put it.
Title: Re: MORE IMPORTANT THINGS
Post by: Jacob Harrison on June 27, 2018, 12:44:20 pm
Well most people would chose surviving and going to jail over avoiding the police and getting murdered.

Funny how, in practice, that doesn't happen. In fact it's quite the opposite - many if not the vast majority of prostitutes in America (where it is legal) choose to avoid the police and risk getting murdered, rather than "go to jail and survive", as you put it.

I was referring to situations where it becomes known to them that a serial killer is on the loose. They might go to the police and hide the fact that they were involved in prostitution.
Title: Re: MORE IMPORTANT THINGS
Post by: Skybison on June 27, 2018, 12:55:19 pm
Jacob, most women who are sex workers don't do the work by choice, but because of poverty.  Sex work is the best paying job they can get and they need the work to keep themselves and their children fed.  Others struggle with drug addiction, and must engage in sex work to support themselves

You don't want them to sell sex.  But are you ready to actually help them by supporting government programs to fight poverty and help those with drug problems?  And if not, what practical solutions do you support?  Because to condemn sex work with solving the underlining problem won't solve the problem.
Title: Re: MORE IMPORTANT THINGS
Post by: dpareja on June 27, 2018, 01:58:16 pm
Well most people would chose surviving and going to jail over avoiding the police and getting murdered.

Funny how, in practice, that doesn't happen. In fact it's quite the opposite - many if not the vast majority of prostitutes in America (where it is legal) choose to avoid the police and risk getting murdered, rather than "go to jail and survive", as you put it.

I was referring to situations where it becomes known to them that a serial killer is on the loose. They might go to the police and hide the fact that they were involved in prostitution.

Hiding that you're a sex worker can be hard to do when you're asking for protective custody. The police don't extend that to just anyone, they'll want to know why.

Get rid of the laws that make it impossible to be a prostitute safely (and I include Canada's current scheme in that, since it makes every client a criminal, rather than just some percentage of them) and then sure, they might--or they could hire bodyguards and screeners and work in monitored places like bordellos rather than having to go into back alleys or clients' cars.

Quite simply, legal, regulated prostitution is far safer for all concerned than the status quo in many places.

Plus the tax revenues from legal prostitution can go towards fighting sex trafficking (rather than having to spend money from other sources on that).

And making religious arguments on this forum will get you pretty much nowhere, so don't bother, especially since secular morality is demonstrably superior to any religious morality (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjbdWGre370).
Title: Re: MORE IMPORTANT THINGS
Post by: Lana Reverse on June 27, 2018, 02:04:43 pm
Well most people would chose surviving and going to jail over avoiding the police and getting murdered.

Funny how, in practice, that doesn't happen. In fact it's quite the opposite - many if not the vast majority of prostitutes in America (where it is legal) choose to avoid the police and risk getting murdered, rather than "go to jail and survive", as you put it.

I was referring to situations where it becomes known to them that a serial killer is on the loose. They might go to the police and hide the fact that they were involved in prostitution.

Hiding that you're a sex worker can be hard to do when you're asking for protective custody. The police don't extend that to just anyone, they'll want to know why.

Get rid of the laws that make it impossible to be a prostitute safely (and I include Canada's current scheme in that, since it makes every client a criminal, rather than just some percentage of them) and then sure, they might--or they could hire bodyguards and screeners and work in monitored places like bordellos rather than having to go into back alleys or clients' cars.

Quite simply, legal, regulated prostitution is far safer for all concerned than the status quo in many places.

Plus the tax revenues from legal prostitution can go towards fighting sex trafficking (rather than having to spend money from other sources on that).

And making religious arguments on this forum will get you pretty much nowhere, so don't bother, especially since secular morality is demonstrably superior to any religious morality (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjbdWGre370).

...Ooh, he's not going to like that.

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Title: Re: MORE IMPORTANT THINGS
Post by: Jacob Harrison on June 27, 2018, 04:01:19 pm
Well most people would chose surviving and going to jail over avoiding the police and getting murdered.

Funny how, in practice, that doesn't happen. In fact it's quite the opposite - many if not the vast majority of prostitutes in America (where it is legal) choose to avoid the police and risk getting murdered, rather than "go to jail and survive", as you put it.

I was referring to situations where it becomes known to them that a serial killer is on the loose. They might go to the police and hide the fact that they were involved in prostitution.

Hiding that you're a sex worker can be hard to do when you're asking for protective custody. The police don't extend that to just anyone, they'll want to know why.

Get rid of the laws that make it impossible to be a prostitute safely (and I include Canada's current scheme in that, since it makes every client a criminal, rather than just some percentage of them) and then sure, they might--or they could hire bodyguards and screeners and work in monitored places like bordellos rather than having to go into back alleys or clients' cars.

Quite simply, legal, regulated prostitution is far safer for all concerned than the status quo in many places.

Plus the tax revenues from legal prostitution can go towards fighting sex trafficking (rather than having to spend money from other sources on that).

And making religious arguments on this forum will get you pretty much nowhere, so don't bother, especially since secular morality is demonstrably superior to any religious morality (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjbdWGre370).

It is much easier to prosecute a known illegal sex trafficking operation than one that disguised itself as a legal prostitution buisness because you wouldn’t have to worry about the supervising law enforcement becoming involved in it.
Title: Re: MORE IMPORTANT THINGS
Post by: Askold on June 27, 2018, 04:19:14 pm
Objection! Why would there be no need to worry about law enforcement being involved with crime ONLY if prostitution is illegal?

What on Earth do you think magically makes police untouchable when prostitution is illegal but suddenly makes them take bribes if prostitution is legalized? This argument makes no sense because the threat of corruption exists in both scenarios ...and we have already explained several other reasons why things get better for everyone with legalized prostitution.

And here's another one: It has been proven that people will generally choose the legal option. Even though sex trafficking can exist even if prostitution is legalized when customers have the option of going to a legal bordello or whatever they will most of the time choose the legal option. Many of the customers are only choosing the illegal option because there is no legal option. Therefore legalizing prostitution will draw money away from criminals by reducing their potential customers AND reducing their potential employees (as many of the women who willingly choose to work as prostitutes can now do it legally and protected so there's no need to turn to criminals and the victims of sex trafficking can go to the police without fear of ending up in jail.)

If you had just said that you don't like prostitution and that you don't think it is morally right then we could either debate the moral ramifications or agree to disagree but instead you insist on making up stuff that makes no sense.
Title: Re: MORE IMPORTANT THINGS
Post by: dpareja on June 27, 2018, 04:37:00 pm
Not only that, but illegal sex trafficking rings have a much greater incentive to look to buy off corruptible cops than legal bordellos (the former being illegal and the other not), so I would submit that the risk of corruption is actually higher the more powerful the traffickers become.

As for ensuring that the legal brothels themselves do not become fronts for traffickers, this is one place where the regulation comes in: to remain legal, they would have to be regularly inspected to make sure that they're completely on the level. (Yes, the inspectors could be bought off, too, but that's a risk with all regulatory schemes, so any argument against this is basically an argument against regulation generally--I hope you like horrible diseases in your food.) Plus with both sex workers and clients not having to worry about prosecution, anyone who suspects something untoward could go to the police without fear of having their own history looked into.
Title: Re: MORE IMPORTANT THINGS
Post by: Askold on June 27, 2018, 05:37:13 pm
Think of it like this: After prohibition ended in Finland bars and alcohol stores began to sell alcohol again. Just because all the drinking places had previously been illegal this didn't mean that criminals continued to own all the market. We were quite able to police the bars and the stores and crime took a drastic drop.

Heck, even now I can walk into a random bar in Finland and know that it would be extremely rare for it to be a front of a criminal organization selling illegal booze.
Title: Re: MORE IMPORTANT THINGS
Post by: Jacob Harrison on June 27, 2018, 05:39:29 pm
Not only that, but illegal sex trafficking rings have a much greater incentive to look to buy off corruptible cops than legal bordellos (the former being illegal and the other not), so I would submit that the risk of corruption is actually higher the more powerful the traffickers become.

As for ensuring that the legal brothels themselves do not become fronts for traffickers, this is one place where the regulation comes in: to remain legal, they would have to be regularly inspected to make sure that they're completely on the level. (Yes, the inspectors could be bought off, too, but that's a risk with all regulatory schemes, so any argument against this is basically an argument against regulation generally--I hope you like horrible diseases in your food.) Plus with both sex workers and clients not having to worry about prosecution, anyone who suspects something untoward could go to the police without fear of having their own history looked into.

But most cops crack down on illegal organizations because they hear reports of crime going on, while there usually are far less reports of illegal activities in a legal organization than there is about an illegal organization.
Title: Re: MORE IMPORTANT THINGS
Post by: Askold on June 27, 2018, 05:55:41 pm
So...

Do you like think that police are powerless to prevent crimes that happen in, I-dunno, McDonald's? Local plumber breaks crime and the police can't do anything about it because he has a company and he did the tax fraud there?

How old are you? Just asking because this sounds more and more like a 12-year old revealing accidentally that he has no idea of how the world works. At the very least you do not appear to understand police work or laws in general (which was quite apparent with your fantasies about rape, revolution and military conquests.)
Title: Re: MORE IMPORTANT THINGS
Post by: Jacob Harrison on June 27, 2018, 06:10:07 pm
So...

Do you like think that police are powerless to prevent crimes that happen in, I-dunno, McDonald's? Local plumber breaks crime and the police can't do anything about it because he has a company and he did the tax fraud there?

How old are you? Just asking because this sounds more and more like a 12-year old revealing accidentally that he has no idea of how the world works. At the very least you do not appear to understand police work or laws in general (which was quite apparent with your fantasies about rape, revolution and military conquests.)

Of course not, but I am saying that it is easier for crime to be reported when it happens outside of law enforcement than inside law enforcement.
Title: Re: MORE IMPORTANT THINGS
Post by: Lana Reverse on June 27, 2018, 07:00:10 pm
So...

Do you like think that police are powerless to prevent crimes that happen in, I-dunno, McDonald's? Local plumber breaks crime and the police can't do anything about it because he has a company and he did the tax fraud there?

How old are you? Just asking because this sounds more and more like a 12-year old revealing accidentally that he has no idea of how the world works. At the very least you do not appear to understand police work or laws in general (which was quite apparent with your fantasies about rape, revolution and military conquests.)

Of course not, but I am saying that it is easier for crime to be reported when it happens outside of law enforcement than inside law enforcement.

Say what?
Title: Re: MORE IMPORTANT THINGS
Post by: Jacob Harrison on June 27, 2018, 07:32:48 pm
So...

Do you like think that police are powerless to prevent crimes that happen in, I-dunno, McDonald's? Local plumber breaks crime and the police can't do anything about it because he has a company and he did the tax fraud there?

How old are you? Just asking because this sounds more and more like a 12-year old revealing accidentally that he has no idea of how the world works. At the very least you do not appear to understand police work or laws in general (which was quite apparent with your fantasies about rape, revolution and military conquests.)

Of course not, but I am saying that it is easier for crime to be reported when it happens outside of law enforcement than inside law enforcement.

Say what?

Since reporting crime happening outside of the law enforcement is easier to be reported, than it is to report crime and corruption within the law enforcement, it would be harder to crack down on sex trafficking in a legal prostitution industry, than in an illegal industry.
Title: Re: MORE IMPORTANT THINGS
Post by: dpareja on June 27, 2018, 07:36:51 pm
What? Legal prostitution wouldn't be part of law enforcement.

And being able to get protective custody without being afraid of your own actions potentially implicating you in a crime would incentivize reporting, not disincentivize it.
Title: Re: MORE IMPORTANT THINGS
Post by: Jacob Harrison on June 27, 2018, 07:44:10 pm
What? Legal prostitution wouldn't be part of law enforcement.

And being able to get protective custody without being afraid of your own actions potentially implicating you in a crime would incentivize reporting, not disincentivize it.

It would be part of law enforcement and It is harder to report corruption within law enforcement than it is to report corruption outside of law enforcement. And most people who are being sexually abused or know about others being sexually abused, are willing to do whatever it takes to escape from the situation since any consequences of doing so are lesser than the current situation and most try to report it to those in authority.
Title: Re: MORE IMPORTANT THINGS
Post by: Lana Reverse on June 27, 2018, 07:44:53 pm
So legalizing prostitution will make the police corrupt? What?
Title: Re: MORE IMPORTANT THINGS
Post by: dpareja on June 27, 2018, 07:54:10 pm
What? Legal prostitution wouldn't be part of law enforcement.

And being able to get protective custody without being afraid of your own actions potentially implicating you in a crime would incentivize reporting, not disincentivize it.

It would be part of law enforcement and It is harder to report corruption within law enforcement than it is to report corruption outside of law enforcement. And most people who are being sexually abused or know about others being sexually abused, are willing to do whatever it takes to escape from the situation since any consequences of doing so are lesser than the current situation and most try to report it to those in authority.

So all legal industries are part of law enforcement?
Title: Re: MORE IMPORTANT THINGS
Post by: Jacob Harrison on June 27, 2018, 08:08:04 pm
What? Legal prostitution wouldn't be part of law enforcement.

And being able to get protective custody without being afraid of your own actions potentially implicating you in a crime would incentivize reporting, not disincentivize it.

It would be part of law enforcement and It is harder to report corruption within law enforcement than it is to report corruption outside of law enforcement. And most people who are being sexually abused or know about others being sexually abused, are willing to do whatever it takes to escape from the situation since any consequences of doing so are lesser than the current situation and most try to report it to those in authority.

So all legal industries are part of law enforcement?

No but the prostitution industry would have to have a special branch of the police force called the prostitution police to supervise it so it would make the prostitution industry be part of law enforcement.
Title: Re: MORE IMPORTANT THINGS
Post by: dpareja on June 27, 2018, 10:15:44 pm
What? Legal prostitution wouldn't be part of law enforcement.

And being able to get protective custody without being afraid of your own actions potentially implicating you in a crime would incentivize reporting, not disincentivize it.

It would be part of law enforcement and It is harder to report corruption within law enforcement than it is to report corruption outside of law enforcement. And most people who are being sexually abused or know about others being sexually abused, are willing to do whatever it takes to escape from the situation since any consequences of doing so are lesser than the current situation and most try to report it to those in authority.

So all legal industries are part of law enforcement?

No but the prostitution industry would have to have a special branch of the police force called the prostitution police to supervise it so it would make the prostitution industry be part of law enforcement.

No, that industry would have no such thing.

The police would do what they do--enforce the law.

If a government decides to create a special task force for overseeing sex work and fund it with tax revenues collected from such, that still would not be part of the "prostitution industry".

By that argument, any industry that has any sort of governmental regulation is part of law enforcement.
Title: Re: MORE IMPORTANT THINGS
Post by: Lana Reverse on June 27, 2018, 11:01:45 pm
What? Legal prostitution wouldn't be part of law enforcement.

And being able to get protective custody without being afraid of your own actions potentially implicating you in a crime would incentivize reporting, not disincentivize it.

It would be part of law enforcement and It is harder to report corruption within law enforcement than it is to report corruption outside of law enforcement. And most people who are being sexually abused or know about others being sexually abused, are willing to do whatever it takes to escape from the situation since any consequences of doing so are lesser than the current situation and most try to report it to those in authority.

So all legal industries are part of law enforcement?

No but the prostitution industry would have to have a special branch of the police force called the prostitution police to supervise it so it would make the prostitution industry be part of law enforcement.

...Do you not understand law enforcement? Or business?
Title: Re: MORE IMPORTANT THINGS
Post by: Skybison on June 28, 2018, 01:11:01 am
Jacob DIRECT QUESTION

There is a woman named Sarah, she is married and has two young children.  Unfortunately one day her husband is disabled in an accident and is left unable to work.  Sarah tries to find legal work, but the economy is bad and she is unable to find a job.  However is is an attractive woman, and finds out that if she becomes a sex worker, she will be able to make enough money to keep her family fed and off the street, which her husband agrees they must do.

Now my question is, if you think it is wrong for her to become a sex worker, what would you have her do instead?  What's your solution to her poverty?
Title: Re: MORE IMPORTANT THINGS
Post by: dpareja on June 28, 2018, 01:20:38 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LahcSFleKm8
https://genius.com/City-high-what-would-you-do-lyrics
Title: Re: MORE IMPORTANT THINGS
Post by: niam2023 on June 28, 2018, 02:58:47 am
Jacob does not seem to understand law enforcement.

Or how government regulations work.

Or how legalizing things work.

Or, really, how anything works. Considering he wants to invade Britain, and claimed FSTDT going down was somehow because of him, he doesn't seem to understand how the world works outside of his "proud anglo saxon community" (read; the trailer park)

EDIT; Thinking about an offer I got over Instagram to do pornography, I have to wonder what Jacob's stance is vis a vis the guys in porn. We know he considers the women to be prostitutes, but what about guys? If I had taken the offer, would I have been a manwhore?
Title: Re: MORE IMPORTANT THINGS
Post by: Askold on June 28, 2018, 03:04:19 am
I know I am repeating myself but Jacob: Replace prostitution with alcohol and look at how legalizing (but controlling) alcohol sales in USA or anywhere else in the world has not made it so that every bar is no longer secretly run by organized crime.
Title: Re: MORE IMPORTANT THINGS
Post by: Jacob Harrison on June 28, 2018, 06:16:57 am
I know I am repeating myself but Jacob: Replace prostitution with alcohol and look at how legalizing (but controlling) alcohol sales in USA or anywhere else in the world has not made it so that every bar is no longer secretly run by organized crime.

The Alcohol industry is far less dangerous than prostitution because it is selling drinks, not bodies.
Title: Re: MORE IMPORTANT THINGS
Post by: Askold on June 28, 2018, 06:47:50 am
a) That's wrong, alcohol can actually be harmful to people and has ruined more lives than sex work.

b) You are avoiding my point. If police officers can be bribed by existing businesses then why the hell do you think that legalized sex work is worse than alcohol sales, restaurants, oil industry or any other business? Anyone can try to bribe cops. Just because you lose the ability to think when forced to consider the fact that sex exist doesn't mean that everyone is like that.
Title: Re: MORE IMPORTANT THINGS
Post by: Jacob Harrison on June 28, 2018, 08:41:35 am
a) That's wrong, alcohol can actually be harmful to people and has ruined more lives than sex work.

b) You are avoiding my point. If police officers can be bribed by existing businesses then why the hell do you think that legalized sex work is worse than alcohol sales, restaurants, oil industry or any other business? Anyone can try to bribe cops. Just because you lose the ability to think when forced to consider the fact that sex exist doesn't mean that everyone is like that.

A) Usually the worst that happens when people overdose on alcohol is that they get drunk, pass out, or vomit.

B) Because to prevent sex trafficking, there would have to be prostitution police at the prostitution places so people will assume that everything will be going fine with the police there.
Title: Re: MORE IMPORTANT THINGS
Post by: Askold on June 28, 2018, 08:48:55 am
a) So you've never heard of alcohol poisoning or alcoholism? Dunning-Kruger syndrome is a heck of a thing.

b) That's not how it works. Take a look at the countries where prostitution is legal (like certain places in USA) and actually study the real world to see how things work rather than trying to make up stuff and then insisting that the thing you are merely guessing must be how things really are.
Title: Re: MORE IMPORTANT THINGS
Post by: Jacob Harrison on June 28, 2018, 09:06:09 am
a) So you've never heard of alcohol poisoning or alcoholism? Dunning-Kruger syndrome is a heck of a thing.

b) That's not how it works. Take a look at the countries where prostitution is legal (like certain places in USA) and actually study the real world to see how things work rather than trying to make up stuff and then insisting that the thing you are merely guessing must be how things really are.

A) I heard of those things, but most people who drink alcohol do not have Dunning-Kruger syndrome. My mom is an alcoholic but it is mostly at home that she gets drunk.

B) As I said before, selling sex is super risky because sex trafficking is one of the most serious human rights abuses. It is better to have charity and homeless shelters so that poor women don’t see prostitution as the only way to make income to survive. 
Title: Re: MORE IMPORTANT THINGS
Post by: dpareja on June 28, 2018, 12:50:44 pm
1. Bordellos could be required to prominently display up-to-date notices of inspection. It would be perfectly legitimate to require such inspections, more frequent than is required for other industries, paid for by the business.

2. Nothing says you can't have both--you seem to be denying that some people might actively enjoy sex work, or might be good enough at it that they at least enjoy the income. And again, the tax revenues from legal prostitution could be used partly for programs geared at getting the ones who don't want to be there out.

(For instance, while it isn't quite sex work in that it doesn't have to involve getting naked or touching genitalia, a good dominatrix can make tons of cash, not so much from the fees she charges for the work itself but from the hush money she can charge to some of her clients who really, really, really don't want it to get out that they're going to a dominatrix--people like politicians and corporate executives.)

But this is a great look at horseshoe theory from the fundie Christian side, rather than the radfem side.
Title: Re: MORE IMPORTANT THINGS
Post by: Askold on June 28, 2018, 01:54:53 pm
...I know that you have access to google and other search engines. Use one or all and find out what Dunnin-Kruger syndrome is.
Title: Re: MORE IMPORTANT THINGS
Post by: Jacob Harrison on June 28, 2018, 02:19:19 pm
1. Bordellos could be required to prominently display up-to-date notices of inspection. It would be perfectly legitimate to require such inspections, more frequent than is required for other industries, paid for by the business.

2. Nothing says you can't have both--you seem to be denying that some people might actively enjoy sex work, or might be good enough at it that they at least enjoy the income. And again, the tax revenues from legal prostitution could be used partly for programs geared at getting the ones who don't want to be there out.

(For instance, while it isn't quite sex work in that it doesn't have to involve getting naked or touching genitalia, a good dominatrix can make tons of cash, not so much from the fees she charges for the work itself but from the hush money she can charge to some of her clients who really, really, really don't want it to get out that they're going to a dominatrix--people like politicians and corporate executives.)

But this is a great look at horseshoe theory from the fundie Christian side, rather than the radfem side.

It is easy to forge notices by blackmailing the sex trafficking victims to keep quiet.
Title: Re: MORE IMPORTANT THINGS
Post by: Askold on June 28, 2018, 02:30:45 pm
Give up kid. You have no idea how any of this works and you are just embarrassing yourself.