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Community => Entertainment and Television => Topic started by: Ultimate Paragon on January 20, 2015, 10:35:26 pm

Title: #DeflateGate
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on January 20, 2015, 10:35:26 pm
http://www.wthr.com/story/27881499/source-tells-bob-kravitz-that-patriots-may-have-deflated-footballs-against-colts (http://www.wthr.com/story/27881499/source-tells-bob-kravitz-that-patriots-may-have-deflated-footballs-against-colts)

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FOXBORO, Mass. -
A source within the NFL tells WTHR.com's Bob Kravitz that the league is investigating the possibility that the Patriots deflated footballs in their 45-7 win over the Colts Sunday night at Gillette Stadium.

The source told Kravitz that officials took a ball out of play at one point and weighed it. His tweet reporting the news shortly before 1 a.m. Monday quickly spread across social media and has been dubbed "DeflateGate."

New York Newsday's Bob Glauber tweeted around 7 a.m. Monday that NFL Spokesman Michael Signora confirmed the WTHR exclusive that the NFL is looking into whether footballs were properly inflated during the Colts-Patriots game.

"We'll cooperate fully with whatever the league wants us to, whatever questions they ask," Patriots coach Bill Belichick told the media Monday

Andrew Dobson will not stand for this!

(By the way, I wasn't sure where to put this.)
Title: Re: #DeflateGate
Post by: SpaceProg on January 20, 2015, 10:51:20 pm
If we don't have a sports section, then I see no problem with this being in TV/Entertainment.  Football is entertainment.   To a lot of folks, at least.
Title: Re: #DeflateGate
Post by: Cloud3514 on January 20, 2015, 11:07:09 pm
Don't deflated balls fly shorter distances than full ones anyway?
Title: Re: #DeflateGate
Post by: ironbite on January 20, 2015, 11:18:44 pm
Easier to catch as well.  Kinda needed when the weather is gonna be as crappy as it was.  Ultimately this means nothing as the Colts played like ass.

Ironbite-fine 'em, take away a first round draft pick, watch the Seahawks kill the Patriots dead.
Title: Re: #DeflateGate
Post by: I am lizard on January 21, 2015, 01:40:12 am
Listen UPyourownass, you have been fucking debating this for 50+ pages and-
Whoops, wrong -gate.
Title: Re: #DeflateGate
Post by: Art Vandelay on January 21, 2015, 03:02:45 am
Actually, it's about ethics in football inflation.
Title: Re: #DeflateGate
Post by: RavynousHunter on January 21, 2015, 08:12:17 am
People are CHEATING in SPORTS?!  Verily, this must truly be a sign of the End Times.
Title: Re: #DeflateGate
Post by: Second Coming of Madman on January 21, 2015, 08:26:46 am
Actually it's about ethics in-

Damnit, Art! CURSE YOU!!!!!
Title: Re: #DeflateGate
Post by: ironbite on January 21, 2015, 10:45:26 am
So it turns out there's meat to this story.  11 of the 12 balls tested were all underweight by 2 pounds.  Doesn't sound like a lot to us laymen but due to the fact that I'm a raging football fan I know that's a fucking ton out there on the field.  It ultimately means nothing to the Colts as they played like garbage but if they did this for the Ravens' game that's some serious bullshit.

Ironbite-as that was a game.
Title: Re: #DeflateGate
Post by: Sigmaleph on January 21, 2015, 02:41:21 pm
So it turns out there's meat to this story.  11 of the 12 balls tested were all underweight by 2 pounds.  Doesn't sound like a lot to us laymen but due to the fact that I'm a raging football fan I know that's a fucking ton out there on the field.

I was really confused by this because 2 pounds sounds like a lot more than what a football weighs. Then I googled it and it turns out it's 2 psi, not pounds (so about 15% below regulation pressure).

Some small part of me hates itself after using imperial units and referring to an American football egg as a "football"
Title: Re: #DeflateGate
Post by: Askold on January 21, 2015, 03:16:35 pm
So it turns out there's meat to this story.  11 of the 12 balls tested were all underweight by 2 pounds.  Doesn't sound like a lot to us laymen but due to the fact that I'm a raging football fan I know that's a fucking ton out there on the field.

I was really confused by this because 2 pounds sounds like a lot more than what a football weighs. Then I googled it and it turns out it's 2 psi, not pounds (so about 15% below regulation pressure).

Some small part of me hates itself after using imperial units and referring to an American football egg as a "football"

For me it is still handegg since it has nothing to do with real football.
Title: Re: #DeflateGate
Post by: SpaceProg on January 21, 2015, 04:43:42 pm
Okay, so call it Yankball.
Title: Re: #DeflateGate
Post by: niam2023 on January 21, 2015, 04:46:24 pm
I have no trouble calling it football.

Incidentally, I almost played American Football in high school, just missed practice.

I really do not get this weird thing about the sports.
Title: Re: #DeflateGate
Post by: Dakota Bob on January 21, 2015, 05:17:50 pm
Down with this sort of thing!
Title: Re: #DeflateGate
Post by: dpareja on January 21, 2015, 06:15:51 pm
So it turns out there's meat to this story.  11 of the 12 balls tested were all underweight by 2 pounds.  Doesn't sound like a lot to us laymen but due to the fact that I'm a raging football fan I know that's a fucking ton out there on the field.

I was really confused by this because 2 pounds sounds like a lot more than what a football weighs. Then I googled it and it turns out it's 2 psi, not pounds (so about 15% below regulation pressure).

Some small part of me hates itself after using imperial units and referring to an American football egg as a "football"

For me it is still handegg since it has nothing to do with real football.

Etymology of the term football: A sport, played on foot, that uses a ball.
Title: Re: #DeflateGate
Post by: Sleepy on January 21, 2015, 07:14:59 pm
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Title: Re: #DeflateGate
Post by: Sigmaleph on January 22, 2015, 12:38:01 am
Etymology of the term football: A sport, played on foot, that uses a ball.

That's every sport.

OK, not quite, but if we limit ourselves to the "sports involving balls" genre, how many aren't played on foot? Polo?

One would reasonably expect that, if a sport is called "football", the foot does something more than what it does in your average *ball sport. Otherwise, there's no point in specifically putting "foot" in the name.
Title: Re: #DeflateGate
Post by: Askold on January 22, 2015, 01:28:37 am
Ice hockey?

Ringette?
Title: Re: #DeflateGate
Post by: dpareja on January 22, 2015, 08:50:07 am
Etymology of the term football: A sport, played on foot, that uses a ball.

That's every sport.

OK, not quite, but if we limit ourselves to the "sports involving balls" genre, how many aren't played on foot? Polo?

One would reasonably expect that, if a sport is called "football", the foot does something more than what it does in your average *ball sport. Otherwise, there's no point in specifically putting "foot" in the name.

It's true that playing the ball with the foot is less emphasized in gridiron football now--it's still important for teams to have a good placekicker and a good punter--but that's a product of making the defining feature of gridiron, the forward pass, more important. The shape of the ball was changed in the 1930s partly to make forward passing easier, but at the same time doing so made dropkicks harder (there's a reason why Doug Flutie's dropkicked extra point on January 1, 2006 was the first successful one since December 1941 and is one of his career highlights). Quarterbacks used to be expected to be able to surprise the defence with a quick dropkicked field goal, but the ball now bounces too unreliably for that to be feasible as a strategy. In Canadian football, it's common for the defence to position their placekicker and punter in the end zone on certain kicking plays to collect the ball and kick it out to prevent a rouge should the opposing kicker miss.

Kicking is also important in rugby football, more so union than league--a drop goal made England the first northern hemisphere team to win the Rugby World Cup, in 2003--and in Australian Rules football kicking is required for scoring. Similarly in Gaelic football goals can generally be scored only by kicking.
Title: Re: #DeflateGate
Post by: RavynousHunter on January 22, 2015, 02:29:08 pm
Oddly enough, when I first read the thread title, I thought it was referring to the compression algorithm...then, I found out it was about something even more stupid.
Title: Re: #DeflateGate
Post by: Sigmaleph on January 22, 2015, 09:05:04 pm
Ice hockey?

Ringette?

Played with a puck and a ring, respectively. I did specify "sports involving balls".


Etymology of the term football: A sport, played on foot, that uses a ball.

That's every sport.

OK, not quite, but if we limit ourselves to the "sports involving balls" genre, how many aren't played on foot? Polo?

One would reasonably expect that, if a sport is called "football", the foot does something more than what it does in your average *ball sport. Otherwise, there's no point in specifically putting "foot" in the name.

It's true that playing the ball with the foot is less emphasized in gridiron football now--it's still important for teams to have a good placekicker and a good punter--but that's a product of making the defining feature of gridiron, the forward pass, more important. The shape of the ball was changed in the 1930s partly to make forward passing easier, but at the same time doing so made dropkicks harder (there's a reason why Doug Flutie's dropkicked extra point on January 1, 2006 was the first successful one since December 1941 and is one of his career highlights). Quarterbacks used to be expected to be able to surprise the defence with a quick dropkicked field goal, but the ball now bounces too unreliably for that to be feasible as a strategy. In Canadian football, it's common for the defence to position their placekicker and punter in the end zone on certain kicking plays to collect the ball and kick it out to prevent a rouge should the opposing kicker miss.

Kicking is also important in rugby football, more so union than league--a drop goal made England the first northern hemisphere team to win the Rugby World Cup, in 2003--and in Australian Rules football kicking is required for scoring. Similarly in Gaelic football goals can generally be scored only by kicking.


Interesting, didn't know that.
Title: Re: #DeflateGate
Post by: dpareja on January 24, 2015, 12:33:37 pm
I saw one interesting take on this: by the ideal gas law, assuming the volume and amount of moles remain constant, pressure and temperature are directly proportional. Brady likes the footballs at the lowest allowed pressure, and it is likely that they were inflated to that pressure in a warm room. Therefore, once the footballs were taken outside into colder air, the pressure dropped. (Also, measuring the pressure reduces the pressure.)
Title: Re: #DeflateGate
Post by: Sigmaleph on January 24, 2015, 03:23:39 pm
I saw one interesting take on this: by the ideal gas law, assuming the volume and amount of moles remain constant, pressure and temperature are directly proportional. Brady likes the footballs at the lowest allowed pressure, and it is likely that they were inflated to that pressure in a warm room. Therefore, once the footballs were taken outside into colder air, the pressure dropped. (Also, measuring the pressure reduces the pressure.)


If the ball was at the lowest allowable pressure, that's 12.5 psi, and if it dropped 2 psi that's a 16% reduction. If this was a temperature effect, that means a 16% drop in absolute temperature (the stuff you measure in kelvin). Room temperature is about 300K, so a 16% reduction means losing 48°C or 86°F. That's going from human body temperature to colder than freezing.

All this without factoring in the rate at which a ball loses heat, which I'm frankly to lazy to look up.
Title: Re: #DeflateGate
Post by: Old Viking on January 24, 2015, 05:14:14 pm
It was a slow news day. 
Title: Re: #DeflateGate
Post by: MadCatTLX on January 24, 2015, 09:39:59 pm
The other team wasn't sportsing hard enough.

(http://i.imgur.com/gUgkpTx.jpg)
Title: Re: #DeflateGate
Post by: Vypernight on January 25, 2015, 04:44:32 am
So did the Patriots use the 'deflated' ball while their opponents used the actual one?  If not, wouldn't this give both teams the exact same advantage?
Title: Re: #DeflateGate
Post by: ironbite on January 25, 2015, 05:20:31 pm
That's the whole point of this.  The Patriots were using deflated balls while the Colts were using regular ones.  It gave the Patriots an unfair advantage due to how crappy the weather was.

Which is what I would've said had the score been closer.  You can nullify 2 touchdowns and it wouldn't have made a difference with the way the Colts were playing.

Ironbite-garbage was insulted.
Title: Re: #DeflateGate
Post by: Vypernight on January 26, 2015, 05:50:42 am
Oh, I was under the impression that, even if they used multiple footballs throughout the game, both teams used the same ball at the same time.  I mean, if the Colts stole the ball, would the Patriots suddenly call for a time out so they could switch them out?

Granted, I'm no expert on football, but you're right.  This would make more sense if the Colts lost to the Jaguars instead of a team that made the playoffs for reasons besides deflated balls.
Title: Re: #DeflateGate
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on January 26, 2015, 06:28:18 am
Sounds better than Saggy Balls Gate  ;)
Title: Re: #DeflateGate
Post by: ironbite on January 26, 2015, 04:16:08 pm
Oh, I was under the impression that, even if they used multiple footballs throughout the game, both teams used the same ball at the same time.  I mean, if the Colts stole the ball, would the Patriots suddenly call for a time out so they could switch them out?

Granted, I'm no expert on football, but you're right.  This would make more sense if the Colts lost to the Jaguars instead of a team that made the playoffs for reasons besides deflated balls.

That's the thing.  The Colts had a different set of balls to use.  They only found out the deflated balls were even a thing when Brady had a pick.  The guy who snagged it said it felt a little light and here we are.

Ironbite-you really don't understand the sports minded.
Title: Re: #DeflateGate
Post by: Svata on January 26, 2015, 04:44:18 pm
I really don't get why people give two shits about this.
Title: Re: #DeflateGate
Post by: ironbite on January 26, 2015, 05:59:47 pm
I really don't get why people give two shits about this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fraSdN-PG8
Title: Re: #DeflateGate
Post by: RavynousHunter on January 26, 2015, 06:03:51 pm
I really don't get why people give two shits about this.

Got me.  All sports are equally moronic.
Title: Re: #DeflateGate
Post by: ironbite on January 26, 2015, 06:53:53 pm
I really don't get why people give two shits about this.

Got me.  All sports are equally moronic.

I really don't get why people give two shits about this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fraSdN-PG8
Title: Re: #DeflateGate
Post by: Sleepy on January 26, 2015, 07:04:08 pm
People have varying interests, and therefore this matters to some. Plus cheating is frowned upon by most people.
Title: Re: #DeflateGate
Post by: The_Queen on January 26, 2015, 08:05:43 pm
That's the whole point of this.  The Patriots were using deflated balls while the Colts were using regular ones.  It gave the Patriots an unfair advantage due to how crappy the weather was.

Which is what I would've said had the score been closer.  You can nullify 2 touchdowns and it wouldn't have made a difference with the way the Colts were playing.

Ironbite-garbage was insulted.

As a Ravens fan who believes this same thing happened in the Ravens game, I believe that this is the reason Flacco isn't playing for his second superbowl championship.
Title: Re: #DeflateGate
Post by: Sigmaleph on January 26, 2015, 09:07:09 pm
I really don't get why people give two shits about this.

Got me.  All sports are equally moronic.

Eh. Hobbies are hobbies. People will give a shit about inconsequential stuff sometimes, nothing wrong about that.
Title: Re: #DeflateGate
Post by: Kat S. on January 26, 2015, 11:39:27 pm
Looks like they found themselves a fall guy...

http://espn.go.com/boston/nfl/story/_/id/12232207/nfl-looking-new-england-patriots-locker-room-attendant-deflategate-investigation (http://espn.go.com/boston/nfl/story/_/id/12232207/nfl-looking-new-england-patriots-locker-room-attendant-deflategate-investigation)

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The NFL has zeroed in on a New England Patriots locker room attendant who allegedly took the AFC Championship Game balls from the officials' locker room to another area on the way to the field, Fox Sports reported, citing sources.

According to Fox Sports, the league has interviewed him and has video

Here's another ESPN article (http://espn.go.com/boston/nfl/story/_/id/12229774/tom-brady-new-england-patriots-putting-personal-feelings-aside-deflategate-concentrate-super-bowl-xlix) about how all the attention over deflategate hit Tom Brady right in the feels.