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Title: VP debate thread
Post by: VirtualStranger on October 11, 2012, 07:51:41 pm
The 2012 Vice-Presidential debate between Joe Biden and Paul Ryan will occur at 9 PM eastern tonight.

If you don't have access to TV, you can watch it at these links:
http://www.c-span.org/Live-Video/C-SPAN/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZSJ5lockdg
http://www.politico.com/livestream/

MSNBC stream: http://blog.livenewschat.tv/rockinroosters/
CNN stream: http://us.cnn.com/?hpt=ed_US

You can discuss the debate here.
Title: Re: VP debate thread
Post by: Fpqxz on October 11, 2012, 08:05:34 pm
I have a feeling this is going to be a complete train-wreck.
Title: Re: VP debate thread
Post by: VirtualStranger on October 11, 2012, 09:24:35 pm
Biden is kicking ass right now. He's literally straight-up laughing at Ryan's bullshit.

Edit: oh god he's actually calling out the 47% shit. This is great.
Title: Re: VP debate thread
Post by: Rabbit of Caerbannog on October 11, 2012, 09:46:12 pm
I'm genuinely surprised. Biden is sounding...competent?

He's certainly not taking Ryan's shit.

EDIT: I do like Bill Maher's reaction (https://twitter.com/billmaher/status/256568696212967424).
Title: Re: VP debate thread
Post by: Damen on October 11, 2012, 10:37:29 pm
All I can say is holy shit. If they say Biden lost this then we're so fucked.
Title: Re: VP debate thread
Post by: Saturn500 on October 11, 2012, 10:42:26 pm
All I can say is holy shit. If they say Biden lost this then we're so fucked.

My mom says so.

Then again, she's a pants-on-head retarded Romney supporter, so...
Title: Re: VP debate thread
Post by: Zygarde on October 11, 2012, 10:45:15 pm
How can they say Ryan won Biden destroyed him tenfold.
Title: Re: VP debate thread
Post by: VirtualStranger on October 11, 2012, 10:59:55 pm
Can we just elect Biden for president now?
Title: Re: VP debate thread
Post by: CaseAgainstFaith on October 11, 2012, 11:01:20 pm
Ryan just didn't have a chance.  He was just dead on arrival.
Title: Re: VP debate thread
Post by: m52nickerson on October 11, 2012, 11:06:05 pm
The best part was at the end.  After Biden spanked Ryan in the debate he than looked very cozy talking to Ryan's mom...followed by his daughter.

 ;D
Title: Re: VP debate thread
Post by: Rabbit of Caerbannog on October 11, 2012, 11:12:55 pm
Teh Daily Beast provides post-debate analysis (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/10/11/joe-biden-s-passion-trumps-paul-ryan-at-vice-presidential-debate.html).

Now if Obama can get that level of energy in the next debate he may still be in this thing.
Title: Re: VP debate thread
Post by: KZN02 on October 11, 2012, 11:24:32 pm
Can we just elect Biden for president now?
I heard he ran for president before, but quit when he was called out on plagiarism.
Title: Re: VP debate thread
Post by: ironbite on October 12, 2012, 12:28:18 am
CNN gave Ryan the debate

ironbite-and any credibility they may have had is gone
Title: Re: VP debate thread
Post by: TigerHunter on October 12, 2012, 12:31:18 am
And to think I used to see Biden as just Obama's goofy sidekick.
Title: Re: VP debate thread
Post by: kefkaownsall on October 12, 2012, 12:34:03 am
CNN gave Ryan the debate

ironbite-and any credibility they may have had is gone
That's impressive...that you still thought they had credibility.  They lost a lot when they had Jack Thompson on as a game expert.
Title: Re: VP debate thread
Post by: cheese007 on October 12, 2012, 12:54:08 am
They had a flash poll right after that had Biden winning HUGE, like 62-38. And there's a CBS poll with Biden winning huge amongst undecided as well. Guess we'll have to wait until morning.
Title: Re: VP debate thread
Post by: Stormwarden on October 12, 2012, 01:00:40 am
Of course CNN would do that. They want to look "Fair and Balanced." CNN has devolved into little more than a tabloid. And people wonder why I get my news either locally or from the BBC.
Title: Re: VP debate thread
Post by: niam2023 on October 12, 2012, 01:49:52 am
My man Biden.

He said so much of what I want to say to Romney and Ryan.

Their blatant lies. Their hypocrisy. And their despicable eliteness.

Biden knew he won, knew exactly what kind of mood to set, and he demolished Ryan in order to further get rid of his image as the President's Goofy Sidekick.

I...knew Biden was a competent man, but...damn. Damn, old guy, you know how argue. Take notes, Obama.
Title: Re: VP debate thread
Post by: Alehksunos on October 12, 2012, 02:05:15 am
Usual reactions from my parents:

"Uh, Joe Biden is so rude. Interrupting Paul Ryan while he's speaking."

Anyway, here are my responses of what Mr. Paul Ayn Rand said:

While my biggest disappointment (even though anyone who supports that party is destined with disappointment) is that the Green Party will not win, notably due to lack of support from news outlets (which is why I hate bipartisan politics), the good thing is that we have a vice president that motivates me to do something that I don't want to do: Vote Democrat (mostly for the sake that Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan can kiss my ass).

(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: VP debate thread
Post by: Veras on October 12, 2012, 02:28:17 am
Can we just elect Biden for president now?
I heard he ran for president before, but quit when he was called out on plagiarism.

That was in 1988.  In 2008 he ran again, but never got any traction, and dropped out right after the Iowa caucuses.
Title: Re: VP debate thread
Post by: Vypernight on October 12, 2012, 05:25:32 am
I watched the first half this morning on Youtube.  I'll watch the rest when I get home from work.

Ryan seemed more direct in his answers, though most of his facts were way off.  I don't know why Obama and Biden don't just say, "We screwed up," about Libya.  Honestly, I think Obama is doing something about it.  The last time he held out his hand and said he'd play nice, Bin Ladin wound up as fish food.

I can't find anywhere where Obamacare takes from Medicare.  No cutting it at all.

Ryan:  "We don't have enough rich people to cover everyone's taxes."  Really?  That's your excuse for their not paying their fair share?

I'll comment more later.
Title: Re: VP debate thread
Post by: Veras on October 12, 2012, 08:22:45 am
I don't know why Obama and Biden don't just say, "We screwed up," about Libya.

Because they're politicians?

But seriously, they could do that, but it would be a huge risk.  It might come across as sincere and honest, and help them get votes, but it also opens them up to attack.

Read this next bit in Mitt Romney's voice:  "Even this President doesn't think he's doing a good job of protecting our country.  He admitted to not providing proper security for our soldiers and ambassadors in Libya."

Now read this one in scary political ad narrator voice:  "President Obama refused to provide troops to defend our embassies in Libya and Egypt, even though they asked for extra security.  (Play clip of Obama saying 'we made a mistake').  Obama's "mistake" cost the lives of Americans who were bravely serving their country overseas.  America deserves better than that.  On November 6th, support Mitt Romney, the only candidate who will protect America."

Obama still has the advantage in the polls, which generally leads to caution (and he's a generally pretty risk-averse guy anyway)

I can't find anywhere where Obamacare takes from Medicare.  No cutting it at all.

It does call for $716 billion in cuts to Medicare over ten years, but Ryan is still lying about it.  Here is Politifact's take:
Quote
Ryan said Obama "funneled" $716 billion out of Medicare "at the expense of the elderly." This gives a very misleading impression.

In fact, the law limits payments to health care providers and insurers to try to reduce the rapid growth of future Medicare spending. Lawmakers said they hoped the measures would improve care and efficiency. Those savings, spread out over the next 10 years, are then used to offset costs created by the law (especially coverage for the uninsured) so that the overall law doesn't add to the deficit. Ryan’s statement is exaggerated and we rate it Mostly False.

It is also worth noting that Ryan's budget plan called for the exact same amount of cuts to Medicare.  As Bill Clinton said at the DNC, "it takes brass to criticize someone for doing the thing that you did."
Title: Re: VP debate thread
Post by: Damen on October 12, 2012, 11:25:55 am
Usual reactions from my parents:

"Uh, Joe Biden is so rude. Interrupting Paul Ryan while he's speaking."

And I'll bet they were praising Romney when he was doing it to Obama, weren't they?
Title: Re: VP debate thread
Post by: Rabbit of Caerbannog on October 12, 2012, 12:24:58 pm
Usual reactions from my parents:

"Uh, Joe Biden is so rude. Interrupting Paul Ryan while he's speaking."

And I'll bet they were praising Romney when he was doing it to Obama, weren't they?
Double standards ahoy! (http://moonbattery.com/?p=19089) I've noticed that somehow Biden is rude for doing exactly what Rmoney did in the Presidential debate--and I had no problem with Rmoney's behavior on that night either. At least I'm consistent...
Title: Re: VP debate thread
Post by: CaseAgainstFaith on October 12, 2012, 02:30:48 pm
For extra "fun" reading I give you these

http://rr-bb.com/showthread.php?180785-The-Ryan-Biden-Vice-Presidential-Debate/page3 (http://rr-bb.com/showthread.php?180785-The-Ryan-Biden-Vice-Presidential-Debate/page3)

http://www.reddit.com/r/Conservative/comments/11d961/paul_ryan_was_interrupted_a_total_of_113_times_82/ (http://www.reddit.com/r/Conservative/comments/11d961/paul_ryan_was_interrupted_a_total_of_113_times_82/)

http://www.reddit.com/r/Conservative/comments/11cbdp/vp_debate_thread/ (http://www.reddit.com/r/Conservative/comments/11cbdp/vp_debate_thread/)

http://www.reddit.com/r/Republican/comments/11d988/paul_ryan_was_interrupted_a_total_of_113_times_82/ (http://www.reddit.com/r/Republican/comments/11d988/paul_ryan_was_interrupted_a_total_of_113_times_82/)

http://www.reddit.com/r/Republican/comments/11cco6/i_cant_be_the_only_one_who_has_noticed_this/ (http://www.reddit.com/r/Republican/comments/11cco6/i_cant_be_the_only_one_who_has_noticed_this/)

And as a friendly reminder please hide all irony meters before reading and we are not responsible for any IQ points lost, objects damaged and/or broken bones .
Title: Re: VP debate thread
Post by: Vypernight on October 12, 2012, 03:19:49 pm
I don't know why Obama and Biden don't just say, "We screwed up," about Libya.

Because they're politicians?

But seriously, they could do that, but it would be a huge risk.  It might come across as sincere and honest, and help them get votes, but it also opens them up to attack.

Read this next bit in Mitt Romney's voice:  "Even this President doesn't think he's doing a good job of protecting our country.  He admitted to not providing proper security for our soldiers and ambassadors in Libya."

Now read this one in scary political ad narrator voice:  "President Obama refused to provide troops to defend our embassies in Libya and Egypt, even though they asked for extra security.  (Play clip of Obama saying 'we made a mistake').  Obama's "mistake" cost the lives of Americans who were bravely serving their country overseas.  America deserves better than that.  On November 6th, support Mitt Romney, the only candidate who will protect America."

Obama still has the advantage in the polls, which generally leads to caution (and he's a generally pretty risk-averse guy anyway)

I can't find anywhere where Obamacare takes from Medicare.  No cutting it at all.

It does call for $716 billion in cuts to Medicare over ten years, but Ryan is still lying about it.  Here is Politifact's take:
Quote
Ryan said Obama "funneled" $716 billion out of Medicare "at the expense of the elderly." This gives a very misleading impression.

In fact, the law limits payments to health care providers and insurers to try to reduce the rapid growth of future Medicare spending. Lawmakers said they hoped the measures would improve care and efficiency. Those savings, spread out over the next 10 years, are then used to offset costs created by the law (especially coverage for the uninsured) so that the overall law doesn't add to the deficit. Ryan’s statement is exaggerated and we rate it Mostly False.

It is also worth noting that Ryan's budget plan called for the exact same amount of cuts to Medicare.  As Bill Clinton said at the DNC, "it takes brass to criticize someone for doing the thing that you did."

Yeah, admitting to a mistake is definitely not the American way nowadays and will lead to lost votes quicker than anything else.  Also, I figured the Medicare part was B.S., but it's good to see evidence of it.  Thanks.
Title: Re: VP debate thread
Post by: Rabbit of Caerbannog on October 12, 2012, 03:31:10 pm
Not gonna lie, (Fake) Jill Biden is pretty funny:

http://twitter.com/JillBidenVeep/status/256571853672431617 (http://twitter.com/JillBidenVeep/status/256571853672431617)

http://twitter.com/JillBidenVeep/status/256556523420016641 (http://twitter.com/JillBidenVeep/status/256556523420016641)

http://twitter.com/JillBidenVeep/status/256545584440295424 (http://twitter.com/JillBidenVeep/status/256545584440295424)

http://twitter.com/JillBidenVeep/status/256718660599676928 (http://twitter.com/JillBidenVeep/status/256718660599676928)
Title: Re: VP debate thread
Post by: Cerim Treascair on October 12, 2012, 03:56:17 pm
okay, I like her.  She's definitely got a good sense of humor.
Title: Re: VP debate thread
Post by: VirtualStranger on October 12, 2012, 07:12:42 pm
Not gonna lie, Jill Biden is pretty funny:

http://twitter.com/JillBidenVeep/status/256571853672431617 (http://twitter.com/JillBidenVeep/status/256571853672431617)
http://twitter.com/JillBidenVeep/status/256556523420016641 (http://twitter.com/JillBidenVeep/status/256556523420016641)
http://twitter.com/JillBidenVeep/status/256545584440295424 (http://twitter.com/JillBidenVeep/status/256545584440295424)
http://twitter.com/JillBidenVeep/status/256718660599676928 (http://twitter.com/JillBidenVeep/status/256718660599676928)

Um, that is a parody account.
Title: Re: VP debate thread
Post by: Rabbit of Caerbannog on October 12, 2012, 07:32:48 pm
Not gonna lie, Jill Biden is pretty funny:

http://twitter.com/JillBidenVeep/status/256571853672431617 (http://twitter.com/JillBidenVeep/status/256571853672431617)
http://twitter.com/JillBidenVeep/status/256556523420016641 (http://twitter.com/JillBidenVeep/status/256556523420016641)
http://twitter.com/JillBidenVeep/status/256545584440295424 (http://twitter.com/JillBidenVeep/status/256545584440295424)
http://twitter.com/JillBidenVeep/status/256718660599676928 (http://twitter.com/JillBidenVeep/status/256718660599676928)

Um, that is a parody account.
Damn you HuffPo!
Title: Re: VP debate thread
Post by: KZN02 on October 12, 2012, 07:40:49 pm
Saw this on Facebook, opinions?

(https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/383542_10151265707010070_330224545_n.jpg)
Title: Re: VP debate thread
Post by: kefkaownsall on October 12, 2012, 07:43:20 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPLXVM97AK4 to the medicare thing. 
Title: Re: VP debate thread
Post by: VirtualStranger on October 13, 2012, 03:36:03 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksXRFRCUatc

(http://i.imgur.com/ECFNv.gif)

(http://i.imgur.com/gKv31.gif)

(http://i.imgur.com/0Rjn9.gif)

(http://i.imgur.com/L8oku.gif)