« previous next »
Pages: 1 2 3 [4] 5   Go Down

Author Topic: MORE IMPORTANT THINGS  (Read 8018 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline Jacob Harrison

  • The Beast
  • *****
  • Posts: 1571
  • Gender: Male
  • The person who discovered England's true monarch
Re: MORE IMPORTANT THINGS
« Reply #45 on: June 27, 2018, 07:44:10 pm »
Quote from: dpareja on June 27, 2018, 07:36:51 pm
What? Legal prostitution wouldn't be part of law enforcement.

And being able to get protective custody without being afraid of your own actions potentially implicating you in a crime would incentivize reporting, not disincentivize it.

It would be part of law enforcement and It is harder to report corruption within law enforcement than it is to report corruption outside of law enforcement. And most people who are being sexually abused or know about others being sexually abused, are willing to do whatever it takes to escape from the situation since any consequences of doing so are lesser than the current situation and most try to report it to those in authority.
Logged

Offline Lana Reverse

  • The Beast
  • *****
  • Posts: 978
  • Gender: Female
Re: MORE IMPORTANT THINGS
« Reply #46 on: June 27, 2018, 07:44:53 pm »
So legalizing prostitution will make the police corrupt? What?
Logged
Beware those who hate the rich more than they love the poor.

Offline dpareja

  • The Beast
  • *****
  • Posts: 5680
Re: MORE IMPORTANT THINGS
« Reply #47 on: June 27, 2018, 07:54:10 pm »
Quote from: Jacob Harrison on June 27, 2018, 07:44:10 pm
Quote from: dpareja on June 27, 2018, 07:36:51 pm
What? Legal prostitution wouldn't be part of law enforcement.

And being able to get protective custody without being afraid of your own actions potentially implicating you in a crime would incentivize reporting, not disincentivize it.

It would be part of law enforcement and It is harder to report corruption within law enforcement than it is to report corruption outside of law enforcement. And most people who are being sexually abused or know about others being sexually abused, are willing to do whatever it takes to escape from the situation since any consequences of doing so are lesser than the current situation and most try to report it to those in authority.

So all legal industries are part of law enforcement?
Logged
Quote from: Jordan Duram
It doesn't concern you, Sister, that kind of absolutist view of the universe? Right and wrong determined solely by a single all-knowing, all powerful being whose judgment cannot be questioned and in whose name the most horrendous acts can be sanctioned without appeal?

Quote from: Supreme Court of Canada
Being required by someone else’s religious beliefs to behave contrary to one’s sexual identity is degrading and disrespectful.

Offline Jacob Harrison

  • The Beast
  • *****
  • Posts: 1571
  • Gender: Male
  • The person who discovered England's true monarch
Re: MORE IMPORTANT THINGS
« Reply #48 on: June 27, 2018, 08:08:04 pm »
Quote from: dpareja on June 27, 2018, 07:54:10 pm
Quote from: Jacob Harrison on June 27, 2018, 07:44:10 pm
Quote from: dpareja on June 27, 2018, 07:36:51 pm
What? Legal prostitution wouldn't be part of law enforcement.

And being able to get protective custody without being afraid of your own actions potentially implicating you in a crime would incentivize reporting, not disincentivize it.

It would be part of law enforcement and It is harder to report corruption within law enforcement than it is to report corruption outside of law enforcement. And most people who are being sexually abused or know about others being sexually abused, are willing to do whatever it takes to escape from the situation since any consequences of doing so are lesser than the current situation and most try to report it to those in authority.

So all legal industries are part of law enforcement?

No but the prostitution industry would have to have a special branch of the police force called the prostitution police to supervise it so it would make the prostitution industry be part of law enforcement.
Logged

Offline dpareja

  • The Beast
  • *****
  • Posts: 5680
Re: MORE IMPORTANT THINGS
« Reply #49 on: June 27, 2018, 10:15:44 pm »
Quote from: Jacob Harrison on June 27, 2018, 08:08:04 pm
Quote from: dpareja on June 27, 2018, 07:54:10 pm
Quote from: Jacob Harrison on June 27, 2018, 07:44:10 pm
Quote from: dpareja on June 27, 2018, 07:36:51 pm
What? Legal prostitution wouldn't be part of law enforcement.

And being able to get protective custody without being afraid of your own actions potentially implicating you in a crime would incentivize reporting, not disincentivize it.

It would be part of law enforcement and It is harder to report corruption within law enforcement than it is to report corruption outside of law enforcement. And most people who are being sexually abused or know about others being sexually abused, are willing to do whatever it takes to escape from the situation since any consequences of doing so are lesser than the current situation and most try to report it to those in authority.

So all legal industries are part of law enforcement?

No but the prostitution industry would have to have a special branch of the police force called the prostitution police to supervise it so it would make the prostitution industry be part of law enforcement.

No, that industry would have no such thing.

The police would do what they do--enforce the law.

If a government decides to create a special task force for overseeing sex work and fund it with tax revenues collected from such, that still would not be part of the "prostitution industry".

By that argument, any industry that has any sort of governmental regulation is part of law enforcement.
Logged
Quote from: Jordan Duram
It doesn't concern you, Sister, that kind of absolutist view of the universe? Right and wrong determined solely by a single all-knowing, all powerful being whose judgment cannot be questioned and in whose name the most horrendous acts can be sanctioned without appeal?

Quote from: Supreme Court of Canada
Being required by someone else’s religious beliefs to behave contrary to one’s sexual identity is degrading and disrespectful.

Offline Lana Reverse

  • The Beast
  • *****
  • Posts: 978
  • Gender: Female
Re: MORE IMPORTANT THINGS
« Reply #50 on: June 27, 2018, 11:01:45 pm »
Quote from: Jacob Harrison on June 27, 2018, 08:08:04 pm
Quote from: dpareja on June 27, 2018, 07:54:10 pm
Quote from: Jacob Harrison on June 27, 2018, 07:44:10 pm
Quote from: dpareja on June 27, 2018, 07:36:51 pm
What? Legal prostitution wouldn't be part of law enforcement.

And being able to get protective custody without being afraid of your own actions potentially implicating you in a crime would incentivize reporting, not disincentivize it.

It would be part of law enforcement and It is harder to report corruption within law enforcement than it is to report corruption outside of law enforcement. And most people who are being sexually abused or know about others being sexually abused, are willing to do whatever it takes to escape from the situation since any consequences of doing so are lesser than the current situation and most try to report it to those in authority.

So all legal industries are part of law enforcement?

No but the prostitution industry would have to have a special branch of the police force called the prostitution police to supervise it so it would make the prostitution industry be part of law enforcement.

...Do you not understand law enforcement? Or business?
Logged
Beware those who hate the rich more than they love the poor.

Offline Skybison

  • The Beast
  • *****
  • Posts: 1289
Re: MORE IMPORTANT THINGS
« Reply #51 on: June 28, 2018, 01:11:01 am »
Jacob DIRECT QUESTION

There is a woman named Sarah, she is married and has two young children.  Unfortunately one day her husband is disabled in an accident and is left unable to work.  Sarah tries to find legal work, but the economy is bad and she is unable to find a job.  However is is an attractive woman, and finds out that if she becomes a sex worker, she will be able to make enough money to keep her family fed and off the street, which her husband agrees they must do.

Now my question is, if you think it is wrong for her to become a sex worker, what would you have her do instead?  What's your solution to her poverty?
« Last Edit: June 28, 2018, 01:56:53 am by Skybison »
Logged

Offline dpareja

  • The Beast
  • *****
  • Posts: 5680
Re: MORE IMPORTANT THINGS
« Reply #52 on: June 28, 2018, 01:20:38 am »
Logged
Quote from: Jordan Duram
It doesn't concern you, Sister, that kind of absolutist view of the universe? Right and wrong determined solely by a single all-knowing, all powerful being whose judgment cannot be questioned and in whose name the most horrendous acts can be sanctioned without appeal?

Quote from: Supreme Court of Canada
Being required by someone else’s religious beliefs to behave contrary to one’s sexual identity is degrading and disrespectful.

Offline niam2023

  • The Beast
  • *****
  • Posts: 4213
  • Gender: Male
  • The Forum Chad
Re: MORE IMPORTANT THINGS
« Reply #53 on: June 28, 2018, 02:58:47 am »
Jacob does not seem to understand law enforcement.

Or how government regulations work.

Or how legalizing things work.

Or, really, how anything works. Considering he wants to invade Britain, and claimed FSTDT going down was somehow because of him, he doesn't seem to understand how the world works outside of his "proud anglo saxon community" (read; the trailer park)

EDIT; Thinking about an offer I got over Instagram to do pornography, I have to wonder what Jacob's stance is vis a vis the guys in porn. We know he considers the women to be prostitutes, but what about guys? If I had taken the offer, would I have been a manwhore?
« Last Edit: June 28, 2018, 03:02:32 am by niam2023 »
Logged
Living Life, Lifting, Waiting for Summer

Offline Askold

  • Definitely not hiding a dark secret.
  • Global Moderator
  • The Beast
  • *****
  • Posts: 8358
  • Gender: Male
Re: MORE IMPORTANT THINGS
« Reply #54 on: June 28, 2018, 03:04:19 am »
I know I am repeating myself but Jacob: Replace prostitution with alcohol and look at how legalizing (but controlling) alcohol sales in USA or anywhere else in the world has not made it so that every bar is no longer secretly run by organized crime.
Logged
Quote from: sandman on May 30, 2012, 08:27:43 am
No matter what happens, no matter what my last words may end up being, I want everyone to claim that they were:
"If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you could possibly imagine."
Quote from: SpaceProg on November 30, 2012, 10:21:56 pm
Aww, you guys rock. :)  I feel the love... and the pitchforks and torches.  Tingly!

Offline Jacob Harrison

  • The Beast
  • *****
  • Posts: 1571
  • Gender: Male
  • The person who discovered England's true monarch
Re: MORE IMPORTANT THINGS
« Reply #55 on: June 28, 2018, 06:16:57 am »
Quote from: Askold on June 28, 2018, 03:04:19 am
I know I am repeating myself but Jacob: Replace prostitution with alcohol and look at how legalizing (but controlling) alcohol sales in USA or anywhere else in the world has not made it so that every bar is no longer secretly run by organized crime.

The Alcohol industry is far less dangerous than prostitution because it is selling drinks, not bodies.
Logged

Offline Askold

  • Definitely not hiding a dark secret.
  • Global Moderator
  • The Beast
  • *****
  • Posts: 8358
  • Gender: Male
Re: MORE IMPORTANT THINGS
« Reply #56 on: June 28, 2018, 06:47:50 am »
a) That's wrong, alcohol can actually be harmful to people and has ruined more lives than sex work.

b) You are avoiding my point. If police officers can be bribed by existing businesses then why the hell do you think that legalized sex work is worse than alcohol sales, restaurants, oil industry or any other business? Anyone can try to bribe cops. Just because you lose the ability to think when forced to consider the fact that sex exist doesn't mean that everyone is like that.
Logged
Quote from: sandman on May 30, 2012, 08:27:43 am
No matter what happens, no matter what my last words may end up being, I want everyone to claim that they were:
"If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you could possibly imagine."
Quote from: SpaceProg on November 30, 2012, 10:21:56 pm
Aww, you guys rock. :)  I feel the love... and the pitchforks and torches.  Tingly!

Offline Jacob Harrison

  • The Beast
  • *****
  • Posts: 1571
  • Gender: Male
  • The person who discovered England's true monarch
Re: MORE IMPORTANT THINGS
« Reply #57 on: June 28, 2018, 08:41:35 am »
Quote from: Askold on June 28, 2018, 06:47:50 am
a) That's wrong, alcohol can actually be harmful to people and has ruined more lives than sex work.

b) You are avoiding my point. If police officers can be bribed by existing businesses then why the hell do you think that legalized sex work is worse than alcohol sales, restaurants, oil industry or any other business? Anyone can try to bribe cops. Just because you lose the ability to think when forced to consider the fact that sex exist doesn't mean that everyone is like that.

A) Usually the worst that happens when people overdose on alcohol is that they get drunk, pass out, or vomit.

B) Because to prevent sex trafficking, there would have to be prostitution police at the prostitution places so people will assume that everything will be going fine with the police there.
Logged

Offline Askold

  • Definitely not hiding a dark secret.
  • Global Moderator
  • The Beast
  • *****
  • Posts: 8358
  • Gender: Male
Re: MORE IMPORTANT THINGS
« Reply #58 on: June 28, 2018, 08:48:55 am »
a) So you've never heard of alcohol poisoning or alcoholism? Dunning-Kruger syndrome is a heck of a thing.

b) That's not how it works. Take a look at the countries where prostitution is legal (like certain places in USA) and actually study the real world to see how things work rather than trying to make up stuff and then insisting that the thing you are merely guessing must be how things really are.
Logged
Quote from: sandman on May 30, 2012, 08:27:43 am
No matter what happens, no matter what my last words may end up being, I want everyone to claim that they were:
"If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you could possibly imagine."
Quote from: SpaceProg on November 30, 2012, 10:21:56 pm
Aww, you guys rock. :)  I feel the love... and the pitchforks and torches.  Tingly!

Offline Jacob Harrison

  • The Beast
  • *****
  • Posts: 1571
  • Gender: Male
  • The person who discovered England's true monarch
Re: MORE IMPORTANT THINGS
« Reply #59 on: June 28, 2018, 09:06:09 am »
Quote from: Askold on June 28, 2018, 08:48:55 am
a) So you've never heard of alcohol poisoning or alcoholism? Dunning-Kruger syndrome is a heck of a thing.

b) That's not how it works. Take a look at the countries where prostitution is legal (like certain places in USA) and actually study the real world to see how things work rather than trying to make up stuff and then insisting that the thing you are merely guessing must be how things really are.

A) I heard of those things, but most people who drink alcohol do not have Dunning-Kruger syndrome. My mom is an alcoholic but it is mostly at home that she gets drunk.

B) As I said before, selling sex is super risky because sex trafficking is one of the most serious human rights abuses. It is better to have charity and homeless shelters so that poor women don’t see prostitution as the only way to make income to survive. 
Logged
Pages: 1 2 3 [4] 5   Go Up
« previous next »