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Alternate History
« on: May 17, 2013, 09:31:09 am »
This is a thread for discussing alternate history.

For example, the election of 1960 was very close.  What if Nixon had won?
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Re: Alternate History
« Reply #1 on: May 17, 2013, 10:46:31 am »
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« Reply #2 on: May 17, 2013, 03:28:40 pm »
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Re: Alternate History
« Reply #3 on: May 17, 2013, 06:15:26 pm »
Once I heard about an alternate history fanfic of what would have happened if George Washington had an invisibility ring.
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Re: Alternate History
« Reply #4 on: May 17, 2013, 06:22:50 pm »
I'm a little obsessed with the alternate Cold War history of what would happen if the Soviet Union decided to attack America and start World War III.

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« Reply #5 on: May 17, 2013, 10:45:13 pm »
I liked the one where Hitler's hatred of Jews was the result of a time traveling Stephen Colbert snubbing him because Colbert was in love with Jonathan Liebowitz.

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Re: Alternate History
« Reply #6 on: May 18, 2013, 02:02:52 pm »
I'm a huge fan of alternate history. Here's one scenario my dad and I came up with while visiting some Civil War battlefields last year:

During the 1860 US Presidential election, Abraham Lincoln is defeated by John C. Breckinridge, the pro-slavery candidate. The Civil War is, temporarily, averted.

However, in 1863, a Southern slave owner visits Boston, and brings his slaves with him. While there, he is arrested by the local authorities, and his slaves are freed by the Massachusetts government, in accordance with the state's anti-slavery laws. The slave owner sues Massachusetts, claiming theft of his property. In June of 1866, the Supreme Court rules in his favor, effectively making slavery legal throughout the United States.

This sends the anti-slavery North into a fury. In November, the Northern states declare their intent to secede from the Union, establishing the Federated States of America (commonly called the Federation), with its capital at New York City. President Breckinridge, aware of pre-1860 secessionist sentiment in the South, declines to stop them.

However, tensions soon rise between the Federation and the Union. Every free state in the Union has left, including California and Oregon. But without their votes, the Union quickly passes legislation making slavery the law of the land, even in the territories. Union troops are deployed into territories, and plans are made to bring in more states. The Federation correctly perceives this as a move designed to split their nation in two, isolating California and Oregon. In response, Californian troops enter modern-day Nevada and Arizona, clashing with the Union. By 1868, the Union and Federation are at war. While fighting is initially concentrated in the West, both sides soon decide that the best approach is to deliver a knockout blow.

We haven't figured out the details, but in all likelihood, the Federation would prevail. However, we're not sure what would happen next. Would the Federation simply claim the western territories? Or would they try to annex the Union? And if so, would they reestablish the United States, or would the Federation take its place, perhaps with the intention of making a break with the slavery-tainted past?
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Re: Alternate History
« Reply #7 on: May 19, 2013, 01:38:58 pm »
I read this one interesting scenario where Ming China established a huge trading network.

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Re: Alternate History
« Reply #8 on: May 21, 2013, 10:22:25 am »
I read one about the Pope denouncing the Holocaust.
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Re: Alternate History
« Reply #9 on: May 22, 2013, 12:50:39 pm »
Ever check out Harry Turtledove's novels?? I know he writes a whole lot of alternate history, especially about the Civil War.

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Re: Alternate History
« Reply #10 on: May 22, 2013, 02:27:58 pm »
Ever check out Harry Turtledove's novels?? I know he writes a whole lot of alternate history, especially about the Civil War.

Yeah, I've read some of his stuff.
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Re: Alternate History
« Reply #11 on: May 22, 2013, 03:00:47 pm »
Turtledove's okay; my major issue with him is his tendency to draw 1-1 parallels between the real world and his fictional one, rather than trying to explore the entirely new directions alternate history can take.
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« Reply #12 on: May 24, 2013, 06:17:03 pm »
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Re: Alternate History
« Reply #13 on: May 25, 2013, 12:55:51 am »
What if the other Kennedy had not been assassinated in 1968?

What if the peace movement had successfully cultivated an alliance with the trade union movement?

What if the October surprise had been found out before the 1980 election?

What if Gustavus Adolfus Magnus had survived Lutzen?
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Re: Alternate History
« Reply #14 on: May 25, 2013, 01:04:50 am »
Ah, a topic dear to my heart as a historian in training. A personal favorite of mine is, "What if it had not rained before the Battle of Waterloo?" I have to say that Napoleon would likely have won, and that would have been devastating for the Coalition.
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