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Re: Sex Offender Registries and Further Punishment: The Thread
« Reply #15 on: March 18, 2013, 03:30:03 am »
You know, sexual offenders are probably chronic BECAUSE they have to hide it.  I mean, with other things, it's generally a lot more okay to admit you have a problem.  It's really not okay to admit you fucked a kid, so people hide it inside.

If people can't admit they have a problem, how the hell can they resolve it?

I found a board where people openly admit to their problems of being pedophiles, it's specifically a board mean't for various psychological problems and they have basically taken over the paraphilla section of it. If anything it's an interesting read.  Link

Probably don't want to look at this at work.

You mean to tell me that there's PEDOPHILES being OPEN on the Internet?  I am frankly SHOCKED sir.

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Re: Sex Offender Registries and Further Punishment: The Thread
« Reply #16 on: March 18, 2013, 09:25:29 am »
Reposting my original post from the "Verdict in Steubenville" thread:

It's highly doubtful that either of them will manage any of the dreams that they may have had, or accomplish anything outside of quietly living alone with minimal interaction with a community that fearfully hides their children from them.

While I agree they deserve to be punished, I can't help thinking that this and the shaming and lifelong ostracism the label "sex offender" carries go beyond the pale. Considering that in many states you can now be labeled a sex offender for such things as urinating in public or a 17-year-old having sex with their 16-year-old SO, I think that label has been watered down to the point of uselessness, while at the same still being considered synonymous with "violent child molester".

Consider the following:

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIOlrC4ChgE" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIOlrC4ChgE</a>

This is a case where a good-intentioned, if misguided law has been turned into a weapon to inflict extra punishment on people who have already legally paid their debt. Studies have shown that residency restrictions and public notification actually INCREASE the chance of a sex-offender reoffending, because they have so much less to lose than if they actually had a chance to build a somewhat normal life again. On top of that, they do nothing to reduce actual sex crimes committed, particularly since the vast majority are committed by people the victim knows and trusts, in direct contradiction to "stranger danger".

What these boys did is horrific. They deserve to be punished for it. Once they're out of prison, law enforcement should be able to keep an eye on them. But lifelong public shaming can't be called anything other than "cruel and unusual." Why do we not have public registries of drug dealers, who inflict far more damage and are much more likely to reoffend and to hurt strangers with their crimes? For that matter, if we're going to insist a category of criminals be forever separated from society, why not make like 19th-century England with transportation?

Honestly, how is putting someone on a registry that makes it all-but-impossible to find friends, get a job and build a stake in a community supposed to make it less likely for them to reoffend?

Sources:

Recidivism of Sex Offenders Released from Prison in 1994, Bureau of Justice Statistics, 2003
http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/index.cfm?ty=pbdetail&iid=1136

U.S. Sentencing Commission’s 2009 Sourcebook of Federal Sentencing Statistics, Table C)

http://www.ussc.gov/ANNRPT/2009/SBTOC09.htm

Registering Harm: How sex offense registries fail youth and communities, The Justice Policy Institute
www.justicepolicy.org/images/upload/08-11_RPT_WalshActRegisteringHarm_JJ-PS.pdf

Michael Seto and Angela W Eke, “The Criminal Histories and Later Offending of Child Pornography Offenders”,
17 SexualAbuse: J Res. & Treatment 2005

http://reason.com/blog/2012/01/23/out-of-747408-registered-sex-offenders-h

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/21/opinion/sunday/sex-offenders-the-last-pariahs.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

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Personally I feel that I can call the sex offenders registry anything other than cruel and unusual. And I also don't think that drug dealing is an analogous crime to rape/molestation. At least in the case of purchasing drugs, people have a choice in whether or not they do so. Is that the same as when someone forces themself upon you sexually?

No, but neither do you have a choice about being caught in the crossfire of a drug war, or targetted specifically because you stood up to drug dealers. That was the damage I was referring to.
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Re: Sex Offender Registries and Further Punishment: The Thread
« Reply #17 on: March 18, 2013, 09:39:58 am »
So, the rehab element is something to look into, so long as it doesn't wind up like a Clockwork Orange scenario.
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Re: Sex Offender Registries and Further Punishment: The Thread
« Reply #18 on: March 18, 2013, 11:36:30 am »
I found a board where people openly admit to their problems of being pedophiles, it's specifically a board mean't for various psychological problems and they have basically taken over the paraphilla section of it. If anything it's an interesting read.  Link

Probably don't want to look at this at work.
Do they treat it like a support group (i.e. "we've got problems, let's help each other deal with it"), or is it more of a justification echo chamber? Because if it's the former, it might be very helpful for them.

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Re: Sex Offender Registries and Further Punishment: The Thread
« Reply #19 on: March 19, 2013, 02:03:53 pm »
The sex offenders registry needs to be completely overhauled into the sexual predators registry. Drop everyone off that list who is not a child molester/pornographer, or a rapist, or a bestiality freak. Carefully review statutory rape - it's pretty much bullshit, and cannot be confused with child rape by any judge worth a seat on the bench.

There are 2 immediate neighbors in my townhouse community. Both are on the sex offenders registry. One guy is 36, convicted of statutory rape and he's married to the woman he "raped" 19 years ago (sigh). The other guy is 79, convicted of molesting an eight year old girl, was let out of prison early "due to age and health reasons".

My young neighbors all have babies and toddlers, and my elderly neighbors have grand kids visiting all the time. But, this vain, creepy, 79 year old POS is wealthy, has high-end lawyers and is impossible to oust, because he's legally disabled with inoperable heart problems.

Just waiting for him to die, we all are...(maybe a few M80's, lit under his bedroom window one night? Just sayin'...).
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Re: Sex Offender Registries and Further Punishment: The Thread
« Reply #20 on: March 19, 2013, 03:48:23 pm »
If an individual cannot be trusted to live near children, then they should be in jail. I'd prefer to increase sentencing requirements than to put people on the sex offender registry for life.

Also, what if someone genuinely reforms? It happens. People realize that what they did was sick and wrong, and they try to make amends and move past it.
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Re: Sex Offender Registries and Further Punishment: The Thread
« Reply #21 on: March 19, 2013, 10:44:37 pm »
If an individual cannot be trusted to live near children, then they should be in jail. I'd prefer to increase sentencing requirements than to put people on the sex offender registry for life.

Exactly. The legal system should be based on making sure that people do not re-offend, preferably by rehabilitation, but if the person shows no signs of getting better and are dangerous to the community, then there need to be measures taken to make sure they do not interact with the rest of society. The problem is that a lot of the more psychopathic sexual predators know how to lie very convincingly and can trick the therapists, judges, etc. into thinking that they have "reformed."
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Re: Sex Offender Registries and Further Punishment: The Thread
« Reply #22 on: March 19, 2013, 10:47:55 pm »
If an individual cannot be trusted to live near children, then they should be in jail. I'd prefer to increase sentencing requirements than to put people on the sex offender registry for life.

Exactly. The legal system should be based on making sure that people do not re-offend, preferably by rehabilitation, but if the person shows no signs of getting better and are dangerous to the community, then there need to be measures taken to make sure they do not interact with the rest of society. The problem is that a lot of the more psychopathic sexual predators know how to lie very convincingly and can trick the therapists, judges, etc. into thinking that they have "reformed."

Well of course they do.  When you go your whole life covering up something like that, you're bound to have developed a system for lying to cover up how you really feel.
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Re: Sex Offender Registries and Further Punishment: The Thread
« Reply #23 on: March 19, 2013, 11:03:55 pm »
Once there's DNA evidence linking someone to rape, put them down like rabid animals. Far as I'm concerned, they've forfeit their right to live as soon as they commit such a crime. And no, I don't particularly care how archaic or cruel that is. If you don't like it, don't rape.
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Re: Sex Offender Registries and Further Punishment: The Thread
« Reply #24 on: March 19, 2013, 11:34:07 pm »
If an individual cannot be trusted to live near children, then they should be in jail. I'd prefer to increase sentencing requirements than to put people on the sex offender registry for life.

Exactly. The legal system should be based on making sure that people do not re-offend, preferably by rehabilitation, but if the person shows no signs of getting better and are dangerous to the community, then there need to be measures taken to make sure they do not interact with the rest of society. The problem is that a lot of the more psychopathic sexual predators know how to lie very convincingly and can trick the therapists, judges, etc. into thinking that they have "reformed."

The other problem is determining the line between "rehabilitated" and "not rehabilitated." What exactly is the test to determine if someone is genuinely not planning on committing said crime again? You can't just use "I solemnly swear I'm up to all good."
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Re: Sex Offender Registries and Further Punishment: The Thread
« Reply #25 on: March 19, 2013, 11:39:37 pm »
Once there's DNA evidence linking someone to rape, put them down like rabid animals. Far as I'm concerned, they've forfeit their right to live as soon as they commit such a crime. And no, I don't particularly care how archaic or cruel that is. If you don't like it, don't rape.

I guess I'm just too much of a bleeding heart for this approach.  Dehumanizing people, no matter how horrible their crimes, will not help the problem.  If nothing else, I think it'll just encourage rapists to "hide the evidence."

Of course, this line of reasoning is also the reason I oppose hell, although that's on a whole other level because its "forever."  That's not even a topic for this thread.
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Re: Sex Offender Registries and Further Punishment: The Thread
« Reply #26 on: March 20, 2013, 12:15:35 am »
Once there's DNA evidence linking someone to rape, put them down like rabid animals. Far as I'm concerned, they've forfeit their right to live as soon as they commit such a crime. And no, I don't particularly care how archaic or cruel that is. If you don't like it, don't rape.

Until we get much better at processing DNA evidence, I will not support the death penalty based on it.  Yes, it's a lot more reliable than many other forms of evidence, but it's not 100%, especially when you factor in human error.
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Re: Sex Offender Registries and Further Punishment: The Thread
« Reply #27 on: March 20, 2013, 12:16:46 am »
If nothing else, I think it'll just encourage rapists to "hide the evidence."
Somehow suggesting that those who're smart enough to think to do that don't already.

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Re: Sex Offender Registries and Further Punishment: The Thread
« Reply #28 on: March 20, 2013, 12:30:03 am »
Once there's DNA evidence linking someone to rape, put them down like rabid animals. Far as I'm concerned, they've forfeit their right to live as soon as they commit such a crime. And no, I don't particularly care how archaic or cruel that is. If you don't like it, don't rape.
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Re: Sex Offender Registries and Further Punishment: The Thread
« Reply #29 on: March 20, 2013, 12:52:07 am »
Why not just make it possible to get OFF the registry?  Excepting cases where people ought not to even be put ON the registry in the first fucking place, give people on the registry a yearly evaluation.  If they prove that they're reformed, then take them off it.

Seriously.  This is NOT a hard concept.  Deleting records have been around since people first started recording data and making databases on -any- media, not just digitally.  Shit, nowadays, its 50 times easier to do that, and it wouldn't take much work at all.
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