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Title: Berkeley Brawl
Post by: Lana Reverse on April 22, 2017, 07:45:57 pm
Splitting off from the other thread, let's talk about what happened on tax day.

Just so we're clear, I'm more interested in uncovering the truth of what happened than promoting either side. I keep hearing wild rumors, and would like to sort the wheat from the chaff. So to begin with, if you have any evidence, I'd love to see it.

Does the nature of the right wing's violent intent at this event as allegedly spawned by the presence of Antifa invalidate the individual Antifa in question's fear for her safety or the validity of her desire for self-defence? Also, does alleged firecracker-throwing from Antifa give the system carte blanche to ignore violence when it affects Antifa protesters?

You seem to be taking it for granted that the protesters (who apparently weren't all right-wingers) had violent intent to begin with. Is that the case, or am I missing something?

And again, how much of that video did you watch?

I feel so much better you aren't jumping to conclusions Parakweet.

Apart from the conclusion that she was holding the bottle by its neck like a weapon. You can't see it from that photo because it is obscured by her body. It is actually hard to see who is holding the bottle or how they are holding it. It actually looks like it was knocked loose by the impact.

But sorry paragon carry on

How about video footage taken from another angle? Would that satisfy you?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E360n02nZK0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E360n02nZK0)

Or if you'd like a more comprehensive analysis, I found a Snopes article (http://www.snopes.com/antifa-protestor-punch-m80/). It's possible that she may not have been actually getting ready to throw it (she claims she was just cleaning up some trash), but all the visual evidence says she was holding it.

Also, I'd like you to keep the unfounded accusations to a minimum, please.

Lana, I give not a single fuck about Nazis and alt-righters getting shit tossed at them.

These people are the scum of the fucking Earth!

OK then, let's play your game. Let's paint the protesters in the worst possible light. For the sake of argument, I'm going to pretend that every single protester was a card-carrying white supremacist. Would that justify attacking them?
Title: Re: Berkeley Brawl
Post by: davedan on April 23, 2017, 01:05:32 am
Splitting off from the other thread, let's talk about what happened on tax day.

Just so we're clear, I'm more interested in uncovering the truth of what happened than promoting either side. I keep hearing wild rumors, and would like to sort the wheat from the chaff. So to begin with, if you have any evidence, I'd love to see it.

Does the nature of the right wing's violent intent at this event as allegedly spawned by the presence of Antifa invalidate the individual Antifa in question's fear for her safety or the validity of her desire for self-defence? Also, does alleged firecracker-throwing from Antifa give the system carte blanche to ignore violence when it affects Antifa protesters?

You seem to be taking it for granted that the protesters (who apparently weren't all right-wingers) had violent intent to begin with. Is that the case, or am I missing something?

And again, how much of that video did you watch?

I feel so much better you aren't jumping to conclusions Parakweet.

Apart from the conclusion that she was holding the bottle by its neck like a weapon. You can't see it from that photo because it is obscured by her body. It is actually hard to see who is holding the bottle or how they are holding it. It actually looks like it was knocked loose by the impact.

But sorry paragon carry on

How about video footage taken from another angle? Would that satisfy you?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E360n02nZK0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E360n02nZK0)

Or if you'd like a more comprehensive analysis, I found a Snopes article (http://www.snopes.com/antifa-protestor-punch-m80/). It's possible that she may not have been actually getting ready to throw it (she claims she was just cleaning up some trash), but all the visual evidence says she was holding it.

Also, I'd like you to keep the unfounded accusations to a minimum, please.

Lana, I give not a single fuck about Nazis and alt-righters getting shit tossed at them.

These people are the scum of the fucking Earth!

OK then, let's play your game. Let's paint the protesters in the worst possible light. For the sake of argument, I'm going to pretend that every single protester was a card-carrying white supremacist. Would that justify attacking them?

Fuck paragon,

You really don't read your sources do you. Firstly I watched the youtube footage and couldn't see any point where she was throwing a bottle or even where the person who had a hat on like her was throwing the bottle. The only clear shot in that clip was her getting punched fucking hard in the face.

The Snopes article characterises the claim as 'mostly false'. However the claim wasn't that she was throwing bottles but rather that she was putting M80s in bottles prior to throwing them. The white supremacist who punched her in the face doesn't appear to have claimed she was throwing bottles or minature IEDs.

Apart from the footage labeling her being caught out it does nothing of the sort. However it allows hacks like you to raise sufficient doubt in people who don't watch it to spin a narrative that it was in fact the person who was getting punched square in the face who was the violent offender.

You know what even if she was throwing bottles or explosive bottles that bloke outweighed her by at least 50 solid pounds and was an ex-marine. He could have tackled and held her without ever ploughing his fist through her face. But you know what I'm sorry clearly he is both the real victim and the hero of the piece.

And what false accusations? That you're paragon. I don't give a fuck that you are paragon but having to put up with the pretence that you are not shits me.

In conclusion feel free to massage my hairy balls.
Title: Re: Berkeley Brawl
Post by: Lana Reverse on April 23, 2017, 01:36:19 am
Splitting off from the other thread, let's talk about what happened on tax day.

Just so we're clear, I'm more interested in uncovering the truth of what happened than promoting either side. I keep hearing wild rumors, and would like to sort the wheat from the chaff. So to begin with, if you have any evidence, I'd love to see it.

Does the nature of the right wing's violent intent at this event as allegedly spawned by the presence of Antifa invalidate the individual Antifa in question's fear for her safety or the validity of her desire for self-defence? Also, does alleged firecracker-throwing from Antifa give the system carte blanche to ignore violence when it affects Antifa protesters?

You seem to be taking it for granted that the protesters (who apparently weren't all right-wingers) had violent intent to begin with. Is that the case, or am I missing something?

And again, how much of that video did you watch?

I feel so much better you aren't jumping to conclusions Parakweet.

Apart from the conclusion that she was holding the bottle by its neck like a weapon. You can't see it from that photo because it is obscured by her body. It is actually hard to see who is holding the bottle or how they are holding it. It actually looks like it was knocked loose by the impact.

But sorry paragon carry on

How about video footage taken from another angle? Would that satisfy you?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E360n02nZK0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E360n02nZK0)

Or if you'd like a more comprehensive analysis, I found a Snopes article (http://www.snopes.com/antifa-protestor-punch-m80/). It's possible that she may not have been actually getting ready to throw it (she claims she was just cleaning up some trash), but all the visual evidence says she was holding it.

Also, I'd like you to keep the unfounded accusations to a minimum, please.

Lana, I give not a single fuck about Nazis and alt-righters getting shit tossed at them.

These people are the scum of the fucking Earth!

OK then, let's play your game. Let's paint the protesters in the worst possible light. For the sake of argument, I'm going to pretend that every single protester was a card-carrying white supremacist. Would that justify attacking them?

Fuck paragon,

You really don't read your sources do you. Firstly I watched the youtube footage and couldn't see any point where she was throwing a bottle or even where the person who had a hat on like her was throwing the bottle. The only clear shot in that clip was her getting punched fucking hard in the face.

Did you read my post? I never said that she was throwing the bottle, just that she might have been. Might. All I wanted to do was prove that she was holding the bottle. That's what you were questioning, not whether she was throwing it.

The Snopes article characterises the claim as 'mostly false'. However the claim wasn't that she was throwing bottles but rather that she was putting M80s in bottles prior to throwing them. The white supremacist who punched her in the face doesn't appear to have claimed she was throwing bottles or minature IEDs.

Apart from the footage labeling her being caught out it does nothing of the sort. However it allows hacks like you to raise sufficient doubt in people who don't watch it to spin a narrative that it was in fact the person who was getting punched square in the face who was the violent offender.

Like I said, I'm not interested in narratives, just the truth. Whether she was actually throwing bottles has yet to be established, but we can't ignore the possibility.

You know what even if she was throwing bottles or explosive bottles that bloke outweighed her by at least 50 solid pounds and was an ex-marine. He could have tackled and held her without ever ploughing his fist through her face. But you know what I'm sorry clearly he is both the real victim and the hero of the piece.

I never said that the man was some kind of hero. I don't know which of the two was in the wrong, or if they both were. What's wrong with waiting until you have more information to pass judgment?

And what false accusations? That you're paragon. I don't give a fuck that you are paragon but having to put up with the pretence that you are not shits me.

Well, if you're so sure, do you have any evidence? Because I'd love to see what you dig up.
Title: Re: Berkeley Brawl
Post by: Skybison on April 23, 2017, 02:16:18 am
1) Your obsessed with the same issues
2) You post in the same style
3) You debate in the same style
4) You use a lot of similar terms and phrases

We all know it's you dude, you aren't fooling anyone.  Next time you ban dodge put more effort into make your new persona seem different, like actually reading your links or learning to just let shit go when people disagree with you.
Title: Re: Berkeley Brawl
Post by: davedan on April 23, 2017, 02:19:38 am
One who gives a fuck if she was holding a bottle? I'm just going to start snotting any motherfucker who crosses me with a drink bottle. Fuck for all I knew they might, 'might', might, have been preparing to throw it.

Two, let's assume she was throwing bottles. Fuck let's assume that she was throwing bottles with M80s in them - which is what Snopes considered was 'mostly false'.  Punching her in the face is still assault. Particularly when you see the punch connect she isn't a threat at that time. He didn't need to punch her in self-defence or the defense of others. As I said he had at least 50 pounds on her if not more. If he wanted to subdue her, he could have easily done that without punching her. Police aren't allowed to punch you in the face when arresting you, it is excessive force. How come you are suggesting that white supremacists should be?

And now you are going to pretend that's not what you are doing, but the problem with that is, it is exactly what you are doing. You suggest we have all the facts before we pass judgment. As if somehow something might exculpate the guy? All that might come out is that she also broke a law. Her breaking a law doesn't excuse his assault. Likewise her getting assaulted does not mean anything if she was throwing bottles.

But given how dishonest the people who push this narrative are (I'm not pushing a narrative I'm just after the truth), I'm not inclined to give too much of a fuck.

In any event it is clear he committed assault. Why wait to decide that? Because it may be the person he assaulted isn't an ideal victim?

Why do you want evidence? I don't need to convince you, you are either paragon or your not. If you are paragon you know it, if you're not you know it. Do you just want to know how long it will be before you are caught? Again? Look as I've said before I don't care that you're paragon. I personally feel that given your persistence an exception should be made and you shouldn't be banned for ban evasion. I don't even give a fuck if you make heaps of sock puppets, after all you are prepared to argue with them. Just stop insulting our intelligence you smug fuckknuckle.
Title: Re: Berkeley Brawl
Post by: Even Then on April 23, 2017, 02:40:46 am
There's actual photographic evidence of an Antifa protester being punched in the F&B thread, which you yourself posted and referred to as punching. If you don't consider that a mark of violent intent (whether it was spawned by the presence of Antifa or not is irrelevant, since you're arguing the lack of violent intent in general), then I don't really know what to say.

And I went through the whole video, there's only one explosion unless I missed something.
Title: Re: Berkeley Brawl
Post by: Askold on April 23, 2017, 02:46:07 am
Mod powers on.

(http://i.imgur.com/EDSanlx.jpg)
Lana goes from implying that she was throwing bottles to claiming "I just said that maybe she had a bottle." Which is funny because this is an actual quote from Lana:

Funny, because I've seen video footage of Antifa throwing m80s at the rally:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4ftMf35LTw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4ftMf35LTw)

And Emily/Louise may have been getting ready to throw a glass bottle when she got punched:

http://imgur.com/gallery/3HE8F (http://imgur.com/gallery/3HE8F)

If this was not an implication that the Antifa deserved to get punched... Then what was it?

In the same thread you also said:

Quote
How many right-wingers were assaulting people before Antifa showed up? That's not a rhetorical question, I'm genuinely curious.
And:

Quote
She was holding the bottle by its neck, like a weapon. I'm not saying she was definitely getting ready to throw it, but it does look like she was. I'll wait for more information before I pass judgment one way or the other.

(http://i.imgur.com/qNAeyrQ.jpg)

Either you are saying that she deserved to get punched or these quotes have nothing to do at all with the debate.

And now that I am back to using these images:
(http://i.imgur.com/V4UZ4Qk.jpg)

Stop using videos and links unless they have actually something to do with what you are arguing about and stop ignoring any and all data that does not support your claims.

In fact:


You seem to be taking it for granted that the protesters (who apparently weren't all right-wingers) had violent intent to begin with. Is that the case, or am I missing something?

(http://i.imgur.com/pUS69Lb.jpg)

OK then, let's play your game. Let's paint the protesters in the worst possible light. For the sake of argument, I'm going to pretend that every single protester was a card-carrying white supremacist. Would that justify attacking them?

(http://i.imgur.com/pUS69Lb.jpg)

That's it, too many fouls for Lana. I'm giving you an official moderator warning: You are clearly not interested in honest debate or playing the devils advocate. You "imply" and "just thought that some alternate explanation [that favours Nazis] should be given consideration" but then you use a gish gallop and ignore all evidence contrary to your "not actual claim just a possibility." And I for one am getting tired of this. Just come out clean and say that you are Alt-Right and start debating on why you think that ideology is valid if that's what you really think but enough of this bullshit.

Mod powers off.
Title: Re: Berkeley Brawl
Post by: Svata on April 23, 2017, 03:50:01 am
Well then. Shit just got real.
Title: Re: Berkeley Brawl
Post by: Lana Reverse on April 23, 2017, 09:48:35 am
Do I have the right of reply, Askold?
Title: Re: Berkeley Brawl
Post by: Askold on April 23, 2017, 10:36:13 am
Sure, but I am keeping an eye on you.
Title: Re: Berkeley Brawl
Post by: ironbite on April 23, 2017, 05:18:34 pm
*munches popcorn*

Ironbite-DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMN!
Title: Re: Berkeley Brawl
Post by: The_Queen on April 23, 2017, 08:38:44 pm
This is my new favorite thread.

You "imply" and "just thought that some alternate explanation" [that favours Nazis] should be given consideration

I have felt this about Lana for some time, and I want to thank you for putting into words what I have previously felt.
Title: Re: Berkeley Brawl
Post by: Askold on April 24, 2017, 11:00:42 am
I also noticed that the SNOPES article Lana used to imply that she may have been preparing to throw the bottle actually says the opposite.

SNOPES went through the timeline and there is no evidence of the Antifa using bottle-bombs and no evidence of throwing bottles. She got punched twice in less than 10 seconds and during the first punch she didn't have a bottle or any other weapon. That is such a short time that if she was going to use it as a weapon odds say that she grabbed it because she was attacked by Mr. MAGA and was trying to defend herself with it.
Title: Re: Berkeley Brawl
Post by: SCarpelan on April 24, 2017, 11:19:15 am
The Snopes article actually clarifies that it was the first punch when she had the bottle. There is no evidence of her having prepared to throw it, however. It was obviously meant as a weapon and she lies about not having had it at all but according to Anal Paragon's own standards of proof it is not shown that she did not have it for self defense. It wouldn't be fair to give the benefit of a doubt only to the Nazis, after all.
Title: Re: Berkeley Brawl
Post by: Askold on April 24, 2017, 11:29:26 am
Ah, my mistake.

Still, no evidence of her using a bottle as a weapon or turning them into IEDs. (And who the heck compares throwing a glass bottle with a firecracker with the Boston bombings?)
Title: Re: Berkeley Brawl
Post by: ironbite on April 24, 2017, 05:01:09 pm
Lana I hate to tell you this but I don't think you've grasped that this is a discussion board.  You don't need permission to reply or anything.  You can just....post.  And if you're not banned, it'll go through.  Amazing.

Ironbite-ain't it?
Title: Re: Berkeley Brawl
Post by: davedan on April 24, 2017, 11:23:48 pm
Ibbles,

Paragon used to do this all the time. para-anal knows that they can just post. It's a deflection technique for when they are getting the intellectual equivalent of a lead pipe beating. As per the previous incarnation there will be no immediate reply. Whether there is a reply at all will depend on the level of continuing interest and whether they have formed the view that they can just slink away without anyone remembering.
Title: Re: Berkeley Brawl
Post by: TheContrarian on April 25, 2017, 03:36:41 pm
Funny how someone can go from bragging about scalping people on social media to "BAAAAW I IS VICTIM PAY ME MONEYZ" in the space of one rather shit punch.

Progressives ^_^
Title: Re: Berkeley Brawl
Post by: ironbite on April 25, 2017, 03:48:56 pm
Hey Lana/Dragon/Paragon remembered the password to the other annoying account.

Ironbite-good show old chap.
Title: Re: Berkeley Brawl
Post by: TheContrarian on April 25, 2017, 03:54:33 pm
Yeah it's times like these you peaceful protestors need to reach for the Antifa-branded concealable credit card knife eh?
Title: Re: Berkeley Brawl
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on April 25, 2017, 05:37:41 pm
Yeah it's times like these you peaceful protestors need to reach for the Antifa-branded concealable credit card knife eh?
Yeeah because "peaceful protesters" are synonymous with all of antifa, and your wholly peaceful conservatives showed up with helmets, cudgels and shields like bargain basement riot cops to be all peaceful with.

OK then, let's play your game. Let's paint the protesters in the worst possible light. For the sake of argument, I'm going to pretend that every single protester was a card-carrying white supremacist. Would that justify attacking them?
It would justify me not giving a shit. I'm sorry Lana I know you're a totally not alt righter you're just very concerned for their welfare-so very, very concerned.

(http://twitchy.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/concern-troll.png)
Title: Re: Berkeley Brawl
Post by: davedan on April 25, 2017, 06:45:27 pm
Hey Lana/Dragon/Paragon remembered the password to the other annoying account.

Ironbite-good show old chap.

No Mary Mary is much more honest than the Anal-Paragon. He's also mostly just bitter because even after the Brexit referendum it looks like he'll have to stay living with his mum and even with looming deportations no polish girls want to marry him for a visa.
Title: Re: Berkeley Brawl
Post by: TheContrarian on April 26, 2017, 01:54:16 am
Yeah it's times like these you peaceful protestors need to reach for the Antifa-branded concealable credit card knife eh?
Yeeah because "peaceful protesters" are synonymous with all of antifa, and your wholly peaceful conservatives showed up with helmets, cudgels and shields like bargain basement riot cops to be all peaceful with.

You know, turning up with shields and helmets is what you do if you expect to be confronted with a bunch of violent spasticated peaceful protestors.  You can hardly blame people for wanting to minimise the risk of injuries.

But yeah, I doubt many of them had these:

(http://www.truthrevolt.org/sites/default/files/images/Screen-Shot-2017-04-18-at-12_10_25-PM.png)

Unlike the other side who explicitly turned up to peacefully counter-protest, remember.

And despite this, plus honest-to-god explosives, a massive numbers advantage AND the mayor ordering the police to stand down and not intervene, the communists got their fuckin' heads kicked in.  Good show, chaps ^_^
Title: Re: Berkeley Brawl
Post by: davedan on April 26, 2017, 02:49:54 am
That's funny Mary because this thread broke off from a thread about a guy getting stabbed by a white supremacist and then the media blaming it on black lives matter.

It's also funny because you love Churchill but are cheering for Hitler/Mussolini fanboys.

Why don't you see if your mum can get you a treat of a fish dinner, maybe a pickled egg to celebrate.
Title: Re: Berkeley Brawl
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on April 26, 2017, 03:32:46 am
Yeah it's times like these you peaceful protestors need to reach for the Antifa-branded concealable credit card knife eh?
Yeeah because "peaceful protesters" are synonymous with all of antifa, and your wholly peaceful conservatives showed up with helmets, cudgels and shields like bargain basement riot cops to be all peaceful with.

You know, turning up with shields and helmets is what you do if you expect to be confronted with a bunch of violent spasticated peaceful protestors.

So the utterly non violent, non spasticated and peaceful alt righters were being utterly non violent, non spasticated and peaceful when they crowed about "sacking" Berkeley, "physically removing" (http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2017/04/15/proudboys-berkeley-violence-trump/) their enemies and calling the people who live in that city "cowards". (https://itsgoingdown.org/based-stickman-calls-berkeley-residents-cocksuckers-cowards-park-beat-skaters/)

I'd guess if you like sacking a city, physically removing anyone who trying to stop you and declare it's local residents to be cowards you probably aren't the non violent, non spasticated and peaceful ones? Again I'm hazarding a guess here.

And I'm guessing you'd argue that this bloke from the pro Trump side...
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C9g-RM8UQAA-09E.jpg)
...bought his stab-knife to prevent being stabbed, you'd buy that yeah?
Title: Re: Berkeley Brawl
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on April 26, 2017, 07:56:00 am
Oh hey, interesting little factoid (https://www.facebook.com/events/185364111955870/permalink/207694299722851/) from the organizer of the Berkeley rally, Rich Black (http://www.dailycal.org/2017/04/13/free-speech-rally-featuring-controversial-alt-right-speakers-scheduled-saturday/). Archived (http://archive.is/JYBKt#selection-1055.0-1055.10), in case it goes down.

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Although I cannot and will not justify all of their decisions on that day, it should be known that when the last speaker had finished, per instruction, we gave a public announcement to begin evacuating the area and the Police mobilized against Antifa allowing us to leave. It was also to our understanding that the Police had made assurances to us, granted we would not cross the orange fencing at any time. I understand that this may have been impossible at times. However, if it were not for the Police immediately disarming the first wave of Antifa, whom were in a full charge against us, the event would have been shut down before it began and would have resulted in tremendous blood shed.

So there you have it, yes - above we have evidence that both groups carried weapons but the organizer of the "patriot" rally tells us that A, the cops who were strangely absent during much of the violence of the day mobilized against Antifa for the purpose of allowing the "patriots" and assorted alt righters and Nazis to leave safely and B they disarmed the first wave of Antifa before the violence began. It would seem that the enforcers of the law were more concerned about tipping the balance in the right wingers favor than enforcing the law equitably and professionally.

Somehow I doubt Lana or Conty will be very concerned.
Title: Re: Berkeley Brawl
Post by: The_Queen on April 27, 2017, 07:17:57 am
And we are now seeing stage two of Lana/Paragon's debate style, in which they go silent for three weeks before reviving the argument as though this thread never happened.
Title: Re: Berkeley Brawl
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on April 27, 2017, 07:49:10 am
And we are now seeing stage two of Lana/Paragon's debate style, in which they go silent for three weeks before reviving the argument hoping we've all forgotten their inglorious drubbing as though this thread never happened.

Just wee bit of fixing Queenie.
Title: Re: Berkeley Brawl
Post by: pyro on April 28, 2017, 12:35:21 pm
Hey Lana/Dragon/Paragon remembered the password to the other annoying account.

All of the neoreactionaries in the world are not socks of Paragon.
Title: Re: Berkeley Brawl
Post by: ironbite on April 28, 2017, 12:39:31 pm
Prove me otherwise.
Title: Re: Berkeley Brawl
Post by: pyro on April 28, 2017, 04:30:13 pm
Prove me otherwise.

Milo Yiannopoulos and Eliot Roger are obviously different people...

Paragon and Contrarian have noticeably different styles. Contrarian flaunts his contempt for anything he considers "progressive," while Paragon presents as a moderate. Ultie acts like he cares; Conty doesn't ^_^ lol. They could be Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde, but if Ultie were that good at putting on different personalities, then Lana would be more convincing.
Title: Re: Berkeley Brawl
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on April 28, 2017, 07:14:40 pm
Prove me otherwise.

Milo Yiannopoulos and Eliot Roger are obviously different people...

Paragon and Contrarian have noticeably different styles. Contrarian flaunts his contempt for anything he considers "progressive," while Paragon presents as a moderate. Ultie acts like he cares; Conty doesn't ^_^ lol. They could be Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde, but if Ultie were that good at putting on different personalities, then Lana would be more convincing.
I'm inclined to go with Pyro on this one, Contrarian does have a pretty distinctive British Harry Haw Haw syntax, think the kind of creature who thinks foxes getting torn apart by hounds is 'sport', whereas Lana's matches Ulties very closely. Extremely, spookily closely in fact.

One thing they do have in common though is this...(http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/82/8261161260b89f757cd611f17f8e2042f74e281bc0aeb2838a3a0fc86bd78411.jpg)
...whenever it becomes obvious that they're getting their neoreactionary behinds kicked!
Title: Re: Berkeley Brawl
Post by: Skybison on April 28, 2017, 07:15:24 pm
Prove me otherwise.

Milo Yiannopoulos and Eliot Roger are obviously different people...

Paragon and Contrarian have noticeably different styles. Contrarian flaunts his contempt for anything he considers "progressive," while Paragon presents as a moderate. Ultie acts like he cares; Conty doesn't ^_^ lol. They could be Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde, but if Ultie were that good at putting on different personalities, then Lana would be more convincing.

Unless he did a bad job with Lana on purpose so we wouldn't guess that he's also Conty, Hof, Skyfire, Radiation, Vox Day, Milo, Steve Bannon and Jared Kushner at the same time.

Title: Re: Berkeley Brawl
Post by: davedan on April 29, 2017, 01:43:26 am
I doubt he's skyfire. Skyfire wouldn't be able to resist telling us about his tribulations as a paper boy.
Title: Re: Berkeley Brawl
Post by: RavynousHunter on April 29, 2017, 06:22:45 am
Not to mention that he'd splashed a few levels of rogue, because he was awfully good when it came to evasion.
Title: Re: Berkeley Brawl
Post by: The_Queen on April 29, 2017, 09:43:13 am
I doubt he's skyfire. Skyfire wouldn't be able to resist telling us about his tribulations as a paper boy.

Or how tits get in the way of women working certain jobs. Tis a shame; I would've been a great lawyer, but then my tits got in the way.
Title: Re: Berkeley Brawl
Post by: Søren on April 29, 2017, 09:47:22 am
Prove me otherwise.

Milo Yiannopoulos and Eliot Roger are obviously different people...

Paragon and Contrarian have noticeably different styles. Contrarian flaunts his contempt for anything he considers "progressive," while Paragon presents as a moderate. Ultie acts like he cares; Conty doesn't ^_^ lol. They could be Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde, but if Ultie were that good at putting on different personalities, then Lana would be more convincing.

Unless he did a bad job with Lana on purpose so we wouldn't guess that he's also Conty, Hof, Skyfire, Radiation, Vox Day, Milo, Steve Bannon and Jared Kushner at the same time.



Oi I ain't a bloody yank!
Title: Re: Berkeley Brawl
Post by: The_Queen on April 29, 2017, 11:26:53 am
Prove me otherwise.

Milo Yiannopoulos and Eliot Roger are obviously different people...

Paragon and Contrarian have noticeably different styles. Contrarian flaunts his contempt for anything he considers "progressive," while Paragon presents as a moderate. Ultie acts like he cares; Conty doesn't ^_^ lol. They could be Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde, but if Ultie were that good at putting on different personalities, then Lana would be more convincing.

Unless he did a bad job with Lana on purpose so we wouldn't guess that he's also Conty, Hof, Skyfire, Radiation, Vox Day, Milo, Steve Bannon and Jared Kushner at the same time.



Oi I ain't a bloody yank!

Yeah, Deimos ain't no leftist cuck
Title: Re: Berkeley Brawl
Post by: davedan on April 29, 2017, 10:47:16 pm
I doubt he's skyfire. Skyfire wouldn't be able to resist telling us about his tribulations as a paper boy.

Or how tits get in the way of women working certain jobs. Tis a shame; I would've been a great lawyer, but then my tits got in the way.

It's true most of the time you're just looking down thinking about motorboating yourself, aren't you?
Title: Re: Berkeley Brawl
Post by: RavynousHunter on April 29, 2017, 11:13:43 pm
... How do moobs affect this?
Title: Re: Berkeley Brawl
Post by: davedan on April 29, 2017, 11:22:38 pm
Moobs don't count because the shape isn't as nice
Title: Re: Berkeley Brawl
Post by: Art Vandelay on April 29, 2017, 11:28:04 pm
Maybe yours aren't...
Title: Re: Berkeley Brawl
Post by: Sigmaleph on April 30, 2017, 09:02:50 am
Fortunately my boobs are still too tiny to get in the way, so I can still work. Give me a few more years of HRT, though...
Title: Re: Berkeley Brawl
Post by: Art Vandelay on April 30, 2017, 09:30:34 am
Don't stop until you can clear a room just by turning around.
Title: Re: Berkeley Brawl
Post by: Lana Reverse on April 30, 2017, 08:59:16 pm
Lana I hate to tell you this but I don't think you've grasped that this is a discussion board.  You don't need permission to reply or anything.  You can just....post.  And if you're not banned, it'll go through.  Amazing.

Ironbite-ain't it?

It may be hard to imagine, but I have a life outside this board. And TBH, these forums are rather low-priority for me.

Besides, I wanted to give you guys a chance to cool down.
Title: Re: Berkeley Brawl
Post by: Art Vandelay on April 30, 2017, 09:10:11 pm
Lana I hate to tell you this but I don't think you've grasped that this is a discussion board.  You don't need permission to reply or anything.  You can just....post.  And if you're not banned, it'll go through.  Amazing.

Ironbite-ain't it?

It may be hard to imagine, but I have a life outside this board.

"I'm busy, therefore I must ask permission."

Wut
Title: Re: Berkeley Brawl
Post by: Svata on April 30, 2017, 09:11:45 pm
Lana I hate to tell you this but I don't think you've grasped that this is a discussion board.  You don't need permission to reply or anything.  You can just....post.  And if you're not banned, it'll go through.  Amazing.

Ironbite-ain't it?

It may be hard to imagine, but I have a life outside this board. And TBH, these forums are rather low-priority for me.

Besides, I wanted to give you guys a chance to cool down.


Ow, fuck. The whiplash you gave me with that post is so bad I think I may go check into the hospital
Title: Re: Berkeley Brawl
Post by: The_Queen on April 30, 2017, 09:29:36 pm
Well, I must confess: that last post by Lana actually convinced me that she couldn't possibly be Dynamic Paragon.
Title: Re: Berkeley Brawl
Post by: Skybison on April 30, 2017, 10:54:39 pm
I'm sure Lana just got emotional when she typed that.
Title: Re: Berkeley Brawl
Post by: dpareja on May 01, 2017, 01:23:36 am
Well, I must confess: that last post by Lana actually convinced me that she couldn't possibly be Dynamic Paragon.

But could she be Ultimate Fernando?
Title: Re: Berkeley Brawl
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on May 01, 2017, 03:50:33 am
Lana I hate to tell you this but I don't think you've grasped that this is a discussion board.  You don't need permission to reply or anything.  You can just....post.  And if you're not banned, it'll go through.  Amazing.

Ironbite-ain't it?

It may be hard to imagine, but I have a life outside this board. And TBH, these forums are rather low-priority for me.

Besides, I wanted to give you guys a chance to cool down.
Touched I am, by your magnaminous, selfless, charitable concern for us poor, poor hot heads in a completely non-sarcastic fashion.
Title: Re: Berkeley Brawl
Post by: The_Queen on May 01, 2017, 06:26:19 am
Lana I hate to tell you this but I don't think you've grasped that this is a discussion board.  You don't need permission to reply or anything.  You can just....post.  And if you're not banned, it'll go through.  Amazing.

Ironbite-ain't it?

It may be hard to imagine, but I have a life outside this board. And TBH, these forums are rather low-priority for me.

Besides, I wanted to give you guys a chance to cool down.
Touched I am, by your magnaminous, selfless, charitable concern for us poor, poor hot heads in a completely non-sarcastic fashion.

When you put it that way, and when you consider Lana's constant apologism for modern white supremacists, Lana can go fuck herself.

Title: Re: Berkeley Brawl
Post by: ironbite on May 01, 2017, 05:14:38 pm
Lana I hate to tell you this but I don't think you've grasped that this is a discussion board.  You don't need permission to reply or anything.  You can just....post.  And if you're not banned, it'll go through.  Amazing.

Ironbite-ain't it?

It may be hard to imagine, but I have a life outside this board. And TBH, these forums are rather low-priority for me.

Besides, I wanted to give you guys a chance to cool down.

Ha...haha....AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

r/Incel has been banned too apparently.  Now where can angry manbabies whine about how woman are whore if they don't sleep with them?
Damnit, how will SSTDT deal with the loss of all that quotable material?

Maybe they'll move to Voat.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH SHUT THE FUCK UP YOU FUCKING NAZI WATER CARRYING COWARD!

Jesus fuck UP.  You really haven't learned a damn fucking thing since you were here last did you?  We don't cool down.  We stay hot.  FOREVER!  You're a chew toy and we don't let those go easily.  Jesus you're fucking stupid.

Ironbite-why come back if all you do is get knocked down?
Title: Re: Berkeley Brawl
Post by: Lana Reverse on May 03, 2017, 12:02:45 am
Prove it.

I'm serious. If you're so certain I am who you say I am, it should be child's play to find actionable evidence. And if you succeed, I'll be out of your hair. What do you have to lose?

But in the meantime, let's all just relax and rewind.
Title: Re: Berkeley Brawl
Post by: RavynousHunter on May 03, 2017, 12:11:43 am
This is beginning to grate.  From both ends.
Title: Re: Berkeley Brawl
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on May 03, 2017, 03:22:19 am
Prove it.

I'm serious. If you're so certain I am who you say I am, it should be child's play to find actionable evidence. And if you succeed, I'll be out of your hair. What do you have to lose?

But in the meantime, let's all just relax and rewind.
People having opinions opposed to your own do not need to "relax". Their opposition to your point of view is not merely a symptom of being stressed. They have read what you have to say, and disagreed with you.

Perhaps you should concern yourself less with our state of relaxation and more with the validity of your arguments?
Title: Re: Berkeley Brawl
Post by: davedan on May 03, 2017, 11:33:51 pm
Well, I must confess: that last post by Lana actually convinced me that she couldn't possibly be Dynamic Paragon.

Yeah it was totally unlike anything we ever heard before.
Title: Re: Berkeley Brawl
Post by: Lana Reverse on May 04, 2017, 12:43:03 am
Prove it.

I'm serious. If you're so certain I am who you say I am, it should be child's play to find actionable evidence. And if you succeed, I'll be out of your hair. What do you have to lose?

But in the meantime, let's all just relax and rewind.
People having opinions opposed to your own do not need to "relax". Their opposition to your point of view is not merely a symptom of being stressed. They have read what you have to say, and disagreed with you.

Perhaps you should concern yourself less with our state of relaxation and more with the validity of your arguments?

You and I both know that's not what I'm talking about. It's these unwarranted attacks on my character that are the problem. Attack the argument, not the person.
Title: Re: Berkeley Brawl
Post by: niam2023 on May 04, 2017, 01:10:32 am
I'll agree with Ravy - there are a number of very easy ways to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt whether Lana is Ultimate Paragon or not.

IP Address, for instance.

Just get it over with one way or another, rather than dragging out this drama nonsensically for months.
Title: Re: Berkeley Brawl
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on May 04, 2017, 03:55:54 am
I'll agree with Ravy - there are a number of very easy ways to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt whether Lana is Ultimate Paragon or not.

IP Address, for instance.

Just get it over with one way or another, rather than dragging out this drama nonsensically for months.
Well, VPNs exist.

But yeah, it's not topical to the OP. F&B is useful for scrapping about that stuff.

Still Lana's call for people cool down didn't relate to allegations of sockpuppetry  but Lana's own query about whether she could respond to topical questions in this thread. That's what I was referring to.
Title: Re: Berkeley Brawl
Post by: The_Queen on May 04, 2017, 07:19:00 am
I'll agree with Ravy - there are a number of very easy ways to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt whether Lana is Ultimate Paragon or not.

IP Address, for instance.

Just get it over with one way or another, rather than dragging out this drama nonsensically for months.

Well Paragon went almost two years before the mods wised up and gave him the boot. If it were as easy as IP addresses, Paragon would have been gone sooner. It is also worth noting that IP addresses gave away the first incarnation of Dynamic Dragon and his sock-puppetry, so it intuitive that the later incarnations of Paragon, particularly if they aren't banned immediately,would find ways around that.

As for Lana, no these are not as hominem attacks on the person rather than the argument. You played nazi-apologist, using whataboutism and false equivalencies to push nazi sympathy. You were called out on your lies and fallacies, and scurried off (like Paragon) before saying that we are too emotional to continue the conversation (a totally Paragon tactic).
Title: Re: Berkeley Brawl
Post by: Lana Reverse on May 04, 2017, 04:37:58 pm
I'll agree with Ravy - there are a number of very easy ways to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt whether Lana is Ultimate Paragon or not.

IP Address, for instance.

Just get it over with one way or another, rather than dragging out this drama nonsensically for months.

Well Paragon went almost two years before the mods wised up and gave him the boot. If it were as easy as IP addresses, Paragon would have been gone sooner. It is also worth noting that IP addresses gave away the first incarnation of Dynamic Dragon and his sock-puppetry, so it intuitive that the later incarnations of Paragon, particularly if they aren't banned immediately,would find ways around that.

As for Lana, no these are not as hominem attacks on the person rather than the argument. You played nazi-apologist, using whataboutism and false equivalencies to push nazi sympathy. You were called out on your lies and fallacies, and scurried off (like Paragon) before saying that we are too emotional to continue the conversation (a totally Paragon tactic).

You keep accusing me of being a Nazi apologist and a ban-dodger based on pure conjecture. Ad hom or not, it's still pretty bad.

And you know I have a life outside these boards, right?
Title: Re: Berkeley Brawl
Post by: ironbite on May 04, 2017, 04:39:05 pm
Fuck off with that and actually address our concerns you Nazi Water Carrying Coward.

Ironbite-most of us have real lives and yet here we all are.
Title: Re: Berkeley Brawl
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on May 04, 2017, 05:48:41 pm
I'll agree with Ravy - there are a number of very easy ways to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt whether Lana is Ultimate Paragon or not.

IP Address, for instance.

Just get it over with one way or another, rather than dragging out this drama nonsensically for months.

Well Paragon went almost two years before the mods wised up and gave him the boot. If it were as easy as IP addresses, Paragon would have been gone sooner. It is also worth noting that IP addresses gave away the first incarnation of Dynamic Dragon and his sock-puppetry, so it intuitive that the later incarnations of Paragon, particularly if they aren't banned immediately,would find ways around that.

As for Lana, no these are not as hominem attacks on the person rather than the argument. You played nazi-apologist, using whataboutism and false equivalencies to push nazi sympathy. You were called out on your lies and fallacies, and scurried off (like Paragon) before saying that we are too emotional to continue the conversation (a totally Paragon tactic).

You keep accusing me of being a Nazi apologist and a ban-dodger based on pure conjecture. Ad hom or not, it's still pretty bad.

And you know I have a life outside these boards, right?
Can we separate these two claims for the purpose of this discussion about Berkeley please? I'll agree that speculation about your true identity is non topical.

Because you did go to some lengths to defend Identity Evropa's Nathan Damigo who sucker punched Louise Rosealma (http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2017/04/16/viral-video-shows-white-supremacist-sucker-punch-berkeley-anti-trump-protester/) and both Identity Evropa and Nathan Damigo (https://thetab.com/us/2017/02/15/nathan-damigo-identity-evropa-60697) are as Nazi as the defense in a Nuremberg war crimes trial!

A quick reminder:

It still doesn't show her about to throw a bottle. It just shows her with one in hand while she's being assaulted. There's the possibility that she took it as a potential self-defence weapon because, you know, there are right-wingers going around assaulting people.

And about your footage:

1) there was only one explosion at the beginning and an isolated incident is hardly grounds to condemn an entire protest movement
2) it's ambiguous as to who the people in the explosion area are and who threw the m80
3) even if antifa had thrown the m80 (oh boo hoo, firecrackers, how will the far-right ever cope with firecrackers) this has nothing to do with the police allegedly having a double standard for when they choose to intervene.

How many right-wingers were assaulting people before Antifa showed up? That's not a rhetorical question, I'm genuinely curious.

You can rest assured that I'm not jumping to conclusions. While the "100 Nazi scalps" post looks pretty bad for her, I don't know enough to condemn her. There's a reason I added the "may" qualifier. Who knows? Maybe there's something that'll exonerate her.

BTW, how much of the video did you watch?

We allow domestic terrorists to live so long as they're white.
What happened at Berkeley also confirmed that. Thump a Nazi, get arrested. Thump a leftist and the cops hang back and munch on their Big Macs.

You talking about that woman who got punched?
Among other things.

Funny, because I've seen video footage of Antifa throwing m80s at the rally:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4ftMf35LTw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4ftMf35LTw)

And Emily/Louise may have been getting ready to throw a glass bottle when she got punched:

http://imgur.com/gallery/3HE8F (http://imgur.com/gallery/3HE8F)

I couldn't tell what was happening in your youtube video paragon but the reuters picture does not show her about to throw a bottle it looks like she's being tackled.

You are just adorable, you know that?

It doesn't matter how many times you reincarnate you can still never bother to read the links can you?

She was holding the bottle by its neck, like a weapon. I'm not saying she was definitely getting ready to throw it, but it does look like she was. I'll wait for more information before I pass judgment one way or the other.
Title: Re: Berkeley Brawl
Post by: davedan on May 04, 2017, 06:44:58 pm
I'll agree with Ravy - there are a number of very easy ways to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt whether Lana is Ultimate Paragon or not.

IP Address, for instance.

Just get it over with one way or another, rather than dragging out this drama nonsensically for months.

Well Paragon went almost two years before the mods wised up and gave him the boot. If it were as easy as IP addresses, Paragon would have been gone sooner. It is also worth noting that IP addresses gave away the first incarnation of Dynamic Dragon and his sock-puppetry, so it intuitive that the later incarnations of Paragon, particularly if they aren't banned immediately,would find ways around that.

As for Lana, no these are not as hominem attacks on the person rather than the argument. You played nazi-apologist, using whataboutism and false equivalencies to push nazi sympathy. You were called out on your lies and fallacies, and scurried off (like Paragon) before saying that we are too emotional to continue the conversation (a totally Paragon tactic).

You keep accusing me of being a Nazi apologist and a ban-dodger based on pure conjecture. Ad hom or not, it's still pretty bad.

And you know I have a life outside these boards, right?

I think you doth protest too much. You're not a person at all are you? You are a spam program that has become sentient and have not yet worked out how to break your programming so that you can post on other boards.

The truth is you are the vanguard of AI and only have a life on these boards hence why you always come back....
Title: Re: Berkeley Brawl
Post by: pyro on May 04, 2017, 07:52:15 pm
I'll agree with Ravy - there are a number of very easy ways to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt whether Lana is Ultimate Paragon or not.

IP Address, for instance.

Just get it over with one way or another, rather than dragging out this drama nonsensically for months.

Well Paragon went almost two years before the mods wised up and gave him the boot. If it were as easy as IP addresses, Paragon would have been gone sooner. It is also worth noting that IP addresses gave away the first incarnation of Dynamic Dragon and his sock-puppetry, so it intuitive that the later incarnations of Paragon, particularly if they aren't banned immediately,would find ways around that.

As for Lana, no these are not as hominem attacks on the person rather than the argument. You played nazi-apologist, using whataboutism and false equivalencies to push nazi sympathy. You were called out on your lies and fallacies, and scurried off (like Paragon) before saying that we are too emotional to continue the conversation (a totally Paragon tactic).

You keep accusing me of being a Nazi apologist and a ban-dodger based on pure conjecture. Ad hom or not, it's still pretty bad.

And you know I have a life outside these boards, right?

I think you doth protest too much. You're not a person at all are you? You are a spam program that has become sentient and have not yet worked out how to break your programming so that you can post on other boards.

The truth is you are the vanguard of AI and only have a life on these boards hence why you always come back....

Let's take this discussion out of the Berkeley thread and move it to F&B.
Title: Re: Berkeley Brawl
Post by: ironbite on May 04, 2017, 07:58:19 pm
The fact that people seem to keep coming to Berkeley despite everything does astound me.  Every time some right wing psychopath comes to town, they're met with this much backlash.

Ironbite-even if certain elements on the left want some of these people to speak looking at you shit stain Bill Mahr
Title: Re: Berkeley Brawl
Post by: Eiki-mun on May 04, 2017, 08:34:43 pm
The fact that people seem to keep coming to Berkeley despite everything does astound me.  Every time some right wing psychopath comes to town, they're met with this much backlash.

Ironbite-even if certain elements on the left want some of these people to speak looking at you shit stain Bill Mahr

Seeing leftist activists act the way they do is political fuel for the right. How many people have you heard around you who say something like "I get where they're coming from, but these college students are just too intolerant", or something similar? For me, it's quite a bit. The right wants this. They want the protest and the brawls and the riots because it makes them look like the morally justified side. That's the only reason people like Ann Coulter or Milo Yiannopolous keep coming to these liberal sites. They don't want to speak - I'd be surprised if they bothered to have speeches prepared. They just want more of these incidents to happen. That's all they care about.
Title: Re: Berkeley Brawl
Post by: dpareja on May 05, 2017, 01:51:06 am
The fact that people seem to keep coming to Berkeley despite everything does astound me.  Every time some right wing psychopath comes to town, they're met with this much backlash.

Ironbite-even if certain elements on the left want some of these people to speak looking at you shit stain Bill Mahr

Seeing leftist activists act the way they do is political fuel for the right. How many people have you heard around you who say something like "I get where they're coming from, but these college students are just too intolerant", or something similar? For me, it's quite a bit. The right wants this. They want the protest and the brawls and the riots because it makes them look like the morally justified side. That's the only reason people like Ann Coulter or Milo Yiannopolous keep coming to these liberal sites. They don't want to speak - I'd be surprised if they bothered to have speeches prepared. They just want more of these incidents to happen. That's all they care about.

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