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Title: "Gingrich wanted open marriage" claims 2nd wife
Post by: rosenewock21 on January 19, 2012, 11:31:43 am
http://news.yahoo.com/exclusive-gingrich-lacks-moral-character-president-ex-wife-135852543--abc-news.html (http://news.yahoo.com/exclusive-gingrich-lacks-moral-character-president-ex-wife-135852543--abc-news.html)

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Newt Gingrich lacks the moral character to serve as President, his second ex-wife Marianne told ABC News, saying his campaign positions on the sanctity of marriage and the importance of family values do not square with what she saw during their 18 years of marriage.

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In her most provocative comments, the ex-Mrs. Gingrich said Newt sought an "open marriage" arrangement so he could have a mistress and a wife.

She said when Gingrich admitted to a six-year affair with a Congressional aide, he asked her if she would share him with the other woman, Callista, who is now married to Gingrich.

"And I just stared at him and he said, 'Callista doesn't care what I do,'" Marianne Gingrich told ABC News. "He wanted an open marriage and I refused."

Ah, Newt, where are your traditional family values now?

Don't get me wrong. I feel that consenting adults should be able to do whatever they want with other consenting adults as long as everyone's okay with it and no one dies. I was going to say "as long as no one gets hurt" but then that would cut out consensual BDSM. I just happen to love a good slice of irony pie.
Title: Re: "Gingrich wanted open marriage" claims 2nd wife
Post by: Da Rat Bastid on January 19, 2012, 11:41:23 am
I have mixed feelings about this.

On one hand, there's the schadenfreude I feel concerning Salamander getting lambasted for being the flaming hypocrite he is. ;D

Then, there's the sadness I feel.  Though polyamory and swinging are two different things (on the off chance someone reads this who doesn't already know, the former deals with romantic relationships, while the latter deals purely with sex partners), I say with zero shame that I gladly embrace both.  The reason I'm sad about this development is that it gives those of us who aren't hypocritical about non-monogamy an awful name. :(
Title: Re: "Gingrich wanted open marriage" claims 2nd wife
Post by: armandtanzarian on January 19, 2012, 11:42:29 am
Don't get me wrong. I feel that consenting adults should be able to do whatever they want with other consenting adults as long as everyone's okay with it and no one dies. I was going to say "as long as no one gets hurt" but then that would cut out consensual BDSM. I just happen to love a good slice of irony pie.
It never the actual lifestyle that gets social conservatives. Its the hypocrisy that's the reason their sex scandals are so delicious.

Anyway when I think of Newt I think of him as:
(http://media.screened.com/uploads/0/733/222712-baron_vladimir_harkonnen_large.jpg)
Title: Re: "Gingrich wanted open marriage" claims 2nd wife
Post by: N. De Plume on January 19, 2012, 11:50:13 am
Don't get me wrong. I feel that consenting adults should be able to do whatever they want with other consenting adults as long as everyone's okay with it and no one dies. I was going to say "as long as no one gets hurt" but then that would cut out consensual BDSM. I just happen to love a good slice of irony pie.
It never the actual lifestyle that gets social conservatives. Its the hypocrisy that's the reason their sex scandals are so delicious.
The problem is that there are a lot of people that confuse the lifestyle for the scandal. It is really difficult to call a person out on hypocrisy—and just hypocrisy—without someone thinking you are condemning the act that the hypocrite participated in.
Title: Re: "Gingrich wanted open marriage" claims 2nd wife
Post by: Da Rat Bastid on January 19, 2012, 11:52:02 am
The problem is that there are a lot of people that confuse the lifestyle for the scandal. It is really difficult to call a person out on hypocrisy—and just hypocrisy—without someone thinking you are condemning the act that the hypocrite participated in.

Hence my sadness. *nods in agreement*
Title: Re: "Gingrich wanted open marriage" claims 2nd wife
Post by: sandman on January 19, 2012, 12:22:41 pm
What strikes me even more than the "open marriage" thing (which frankly I could care less about if the people involved are cool with it) is how he treated his wives. First wife gets cancer....divorce her ass and marry the woman you were cheating on her with. That wife gets diagnosed with MS....divorce her ass and marry the woman you were cheating on her with. This is just the behavior of an EPIC douchebag.

What's also very astonishing is that his current wife agreed to marry him knowing his history, and she apparently trusts him to be faithful.
Title: Re: "Gingrich wanted open marriage" claims 2nd wife
Post by: Captain Jack Harkness on January 19, 2012, 12:34:49 pm
We again have another tick against an already enormous douchebag.

What is it with the Republican field this year?  I know they've had problems with having good candidates in the past, but this year....ugh.
Title: Re: "Gingrich wanted open marriage" claims 2nd wife
Post by: Bezron on January 19, 2012, 01:04:58 pm
This is their also-ran year.  It is generally considered to be exponentially harder to unseat an incumbent president. There have only been 3 one termers since WW2 and about 10 in history (technically including Cleveland, who did serve 2 terms, but no-consecutively).

I think it was on this board that someone brought up the fact that the Republicans will only field someone one time on the big ticket.  So they bring out the also-rans in the incumbent years.  If the guy wins, great.  If they lose (more likely) then they can be done with the guy.  I wouldn't be surprised to see Newt get the nod, since the party is about sick of him begging to run.  He loses, we never have to hear from him again.
Title: Re: "Gingrich wanted open marriage" claims 2nd wife
Post by: sandman on January 19, 2012, 01:53:23 pm
No, Mitt will get the nod. He's "earned" it by paying his dues and waiting patiently. The GOP is all about getting your due. When he is (reluctantly) nominated, this will piss off the evangelical Christian base of the party so much that many of them will abandon Mitt in favor of a third-party "Christian" candidate. (Probably Huckabee or Rick Santorum on some wacky "'MERICA!!!" party pulled out of the ass of the religious right.)

This will serve several purposes. It will split the GOP vote and hand Obama a second term, which was probably going to happen anyway, so it's no real loss to the party. It will effectively end Mitt Romney's political career, which will sit very well with the GOP base. They never wanted him in the national scene anyway. The GOP to blame Romney, personally, for the loss, rather than themselves. Whoever that third party spoiler turns out to be will be welcomed back into the party with the intention of using the influence they garnered in the 2012 campaign to lend strength as the running mate for the REAL GOP presidential hopeful (probably Chris Christie, but maybe Jeb Bush) in 2016. 
Title: Re: "Gingrich wanted open marriage" claims 2nd wife
Post by: N. De Plume on January 19, 2012, 03:21:38 pm
What you just described, sandman, is why I hate politics.
Title: Re: "Gingrich wanted open marriage" claims 2nd wife
Post by: Eniliad on January 19, 2012, 03:31:36 pm
...this is despicable, but I'm sorry, Gingrich already topped himself with the "cheating on cancer-stricken wife" thing. That's far worse in my opinion than philandering and douchebaggery.
Title: Re: "Gingrich wanted open marriage" claims 2nd wife
Post by: Caitshidhe on January 19, 2012, 03:32:22 pm
Like others, the source of my anger here isn't that Newt wanted a relationship or marriage arrangement other than the Leave-It-To-Beaver, nuclear-family, vanilla kind. As long as everybody involved is consenting to it, there isn't a problem. The problem here is that he's a raging hypocrite. He wants to enjoy a lifestyle himself that he is actively campaigning to deny to everyone else. 'Traditional family values' are bullshit and he doesn't even want to comply with them anyway.

I don't know why anybody takes him seriously on this crap. Three marriages, two affairs, and HE'S worried about the 'state of marriage'? Go sit on a cactus, Newt.
Title: Re: "Gingrich wanted open marriage" claims 2nd wife
Post by: QueenofHearts on January 19, 2012, 03:45:34 pm
Go sit on a cactus, Newt.

What did the cactus do to deserve such a punishment??
Title: Re: "Gingrich wanted open marriage" claims 2nd wife
Post by: rosenewock21 on January 19, 2012, 03:46:50 pm
Go sit on a cactus, Newt.

What did the cactus do to deserve such a punishment??

It was a gay cactus and refused to accept Jesus as its lord and savior. /fundie
Title: Re: "Gingrich wanted open marriage" claims 2nd wife
Post by: Caitshidhe on January 19, 2012, 03:49:52 pm
Because the cactus wasn't satisfied with 'marriage equality'. It was out to completely destroy all traditional family values--first gay couples can get married, next thing you know people are going to want to marry CHILDREN or ANIMALS or OBJECTS or WORSE! And the cactus said it had the right to marry its underage dead puppy 'partner'. It's disgusting!

Ow, my head...
Title: Re: "Gingrich wanted open marriage" claims 2nd wife
Post by: rosenewock21 on January 19, 2012, 03:55:48 pm
Gingrich has a rebuttal.

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/gingrich-addresses-questions-ex-wife-allegations-184740640.html (http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/gingrich-addresses-questions-ex-wife-allegations-184740640.html)

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"I have been very open about my life," Gingrich said. "I have been very open about mistakes i have made. I have been very open about needing to go to God about forgiveness to seek reconciliation. Callista and I have a wonderful relationship."

So it's okay to lie, cheat and thumb your nose at all the traditional family values you claim to uphold as long as you go to gawd afterwards.
Title: Re: "Gingrich wanted open marriage" claims 2nd wife
Post by: Eniliad on January 19, 2012, 03:56:49 pm
Gingrich has a rebuttal.

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/gingrich-addresses-questions-ex-wife-allegations-184740640.html (http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/gingrich-addresses-questions-ex-wife-allegations-184740640.html)

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"I have been very open about my life," Gingrich said. "I have been very open about mistakes i have made. I have been very open about needing to go to God about forgiveness to seek reconciliation. Callista and I have a wonderful relationship."

So it's okay to lie, cheat and thumb your nose at all the traditional family values you claim to uphold as long as you go to gawd afterwards.

Sounds like my father.

That is not a compliment.
Title: Re: "Gingrich wanted open marriage" claims 2nd wife
Post by: Cataclysm on January 19, 2012, 04:04:34 pm
Gingrich has a rebuttal.

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/gingrich-addresses-questions-ex-wife-allegations-184740640.html (http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/gingrich-addresses-questions-ex-wife-allegations-184740640.html)

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"I have been very open about my life," Gingrich said. "I have been very open about mistakes i have made. I have been very open about needing to go to God about forgiveness to seek reconciliation. Callista and I have a wonderful relationship."

So it's okay to lie, cheat and thumb your nose at all the traditional family values you claim to uphold as long as you go to gawd afterwards.

Why don't you go to your previous wives for forgiveness? You know, the people you actually hurt.
Title: Re: "Gingrich wanted open marriage" claims 2nd wife
Post by: N. De Plume on January 19, 2012, 04:13:33 pm
Gingrich has a rebuttal.

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/gingrich-addresses-questions-ex-wife-allegations-184740640.html (http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/gingrich-addresses-questions-ex-wife-allegations-184740640.html)

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"I have been very open about my life," Gingrich said. "I have been very open about mistakes i have made. I have been very open about needing to go to God about forgiveness to seek reconciliation. Callista and I have a wonderful relationship."

So it's okay to lie, cheat and thumb your nose at all the traditional family values you claim to uphold as long as you go to gawd afterwards.

Why don't you go to your previous wives for forgiveness? You know, the people you actually hurt.
I dunno, that sounds kinda difficult. Puts you at some kind of emotional risk, too, I’m sure. No, much safer to pray it away. ::)
Title: Re: "Gingrich wanted open marriage" claims 2nd wife
Post by: Old Viking on January 19, 2012, 04:30:46 pm
He makes my flesh crawl.
Title: Newton Leroy Gingrich wanted...
Post by: DiscoBerry on January 19, 2012, 06:07:18 pm
An open marriage.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKy-7b4kPxc&feature=player_embedded (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKy-7b4kPxc&feature=player_embedded)

Now THAT'S family values.
Title: Re: Newton Leroy Gingrich wanted...
Post by: sandman on January 19, 2012, 06:08:49 pm
HAH! Why does it seem so utterly, cosmically fitting that newt's middle name is "LEROY?"
Title: Re: Newton Leroy Gingrich wanted...
Post by: DiscoBerry on January 19, 2012, 06:11:30 pm
Good thing he signed that pledge not to cheat on his current wife
Title: Re: Newton Leroy Gingrich wanted...
Post by: Eniliad on January 19, 2012, 06:12:53 pm
Can't resist:

LEEEEEEEEEROOOOOOY
GIIIIIIIINGRIIIIIIICH!

I estimate a 32.3, uh, repeating of course, % chance of surviving the next primary.
Title: Re: Newton Leroy Gingrich wanted...
Post by: sandman on January 19, 2012, 06:14:05 pm
Don't forget, he ditched his first wife when she got diagnosed with cancer, and then ditched his second wife when she got diagnosed with MS. Both times quickly marrying the mistress he had on the side. The man is just a walking pile of testicles.
Title: Re: "Gingrich wanted open marriage" claims 2nd wife
Post by: sandman on January 19, 2012, 06:19:28 pm
MOD POWERS ACTIVATE!

Form of....MERGED THREAD!

Merged the multiple threads dealing with Newt's wandering penis into a single one.


MOD POWERS DEACTIVATE!
Title: Re: "Gingrich wanted open marriage" claims 2nd wife
Post by: N. De Plume on January 19, 2012, 06:24:21 pm
Don't forget, he ditched his first wife when she got diagnosed with cancer, and then ditched his second wife when she got diagnosed with MS. Both times quickly marrying the mistress he had on the side. The man is just a walking pile of testicles.
Hey, come on, now. Is it really necessary to insult testicles like that? Two of my best friends are testicles.
Title: Re: "Gingrich wanted open marriage" claims 2nd wife
Post by: Caitshidhe on January 19, 2012, 06:30:53 pm
Seeking an affair when your marriage is on the rocks--rather than, I dunno, using your words like grownups and talking it out and seeing a counselor to see if the relationship can be saved or if it's mutually time to go your separate ways--is pretty jerky behvaiour by itself. Not outright cruel, but not very nice either.

Divorcing a spouse for the person you had an affair with is a bit further up on the Asshole Scale.

Divorcing a SICK spouse suffering from a MAJOR, LONG-TERM, DEBILITATING, LIFE-CHANGING ILLNESS for the person with whom you've been having an affair for a third of your marriage? And doing it TWICE?

There is no level of douchebaggery on any known scale comparable to that.
Title: Re: "Gingrich wanted open marriage" claims 2nd wife
Post by: sandman on January 19, 2012, 06:37:34 pm
All I'm sayin' is the current Mrs. Newt best hope she stays healthy, knowhutimsayin?
Title: Re: "Gingrich wanted open marriage" claims 2nd wife
Post by: Caitshidhe on January 19, 2012, 06:51:48 pm
Bitch would deserve it, if you ask me--I mean an important man with a sex drive like Newt's can't be expected to have COMPASSION for someone who was careless enough with herself to get cancer or MS or, I dunno, Parkinson's or Lou Gehrig's disease or some shit. You gotta be healthy, attractive, and young for Sex Master Leroy Newt or you're OUT on your ASS.
Title: Re: "Gingrich wanted open marriage" claims 2nd wife
Post by: ironbite on January 19, 2012, 06:52:56 pm
As long as she's healthy he won't cheat.  The second she gets sick....well look out.

Ironbite-the lawyer is on the way.
Title: Re: "Gingrich wanted open marriage" claims 2nd wife
Post by: DasFuchs on January 19, 2012, 07:16:20 pm
It's the new Republican health care plan.
They discovered "Get sick=die" wasn't popular, now it's "Get sick=be abandoned by your spouse to die alone"
Title: Re: "Gingrich wanted open marriage" claims 2nd wife
Post by: N. De Plume on January 19, 2012, 07:39:12 pm
You would think she had an idea of what she was getting into…
Title: Re: "Gingrich wanted open marriage" claims 2nd wife
Post by: DasFuchs on January 19, 2012, 08:27:17 pm
You would think she had an idea of what she was getting into…

She was probably clueless as the majority of Newt's fanbase
Title: Re: "Gingrich wanted open marriage" claims 2nd wife
Post by: N. De Plume on January 19, 2012, 08:44:01 pm
You would think she had an idea of what she was getting into…

She was probably clueless as the majority of Newt's fanbase
Hey, both wives #2 and #3 had a front row seat to the shenanigans.
Title: Re: "Gingrich wanted open marriage" claims 2nd wife
Post by: DasFuchs on January 19, 2012, 09:17:03 pm
You would think she had an idea of what she was getting into…

She was probably clueless as the majority of Newt's fanbase
Hey, both wives #2 and #3 had a front row seat to the shenanigans.

I find people in those circumstances can still be completely clueless. Hell, each most likely said "Well it won't happen to me". If there ever comes a time for a #4 hopefully she'll be a damn bit smarter than either of those two
Title: Re: "Gingrich wanted open marriage" claims 2nd wife
Post by: N. De Plume on January 19, 2012, 09:19:48 pm
You would think she had an idea of what she was getting into…

She was probably clueless as the majority of Newt's fanbase
Hey, both wives #2 and #3 had a front row seat to the shenanigans.

I find people in those circumstances can still be completely clueless. Hell, each most likely said "Well it won't happen to me". If there ever comes a time for a #4 hopefully she'll be a damn bit smarter than either of those two
If she were, then there wouldn’t be a #4 at all! But there is a good chance there will be.
Title: Re: "Gingrich wanted open marriage" claims 2nd wife
Post by: Cataclysm on January 19, 2012, 10:15:05 pm
How much money does Gingrich make?
Title: Re: "Gingrich wanted open marriage" claims 2nd wife
Post by: DasFuchs on January 20, 2012, 04:32:32 am
How much money does Gingrich make?

Enough that he can afford to ditch two wives, run a campaign and live comfortably
Title: Re: "Gingrich wanted open marriage" claims 2nd wife
Post by: Bezron on January 20, 2012, 07:19:50 am
The best part of the current GOP crop for me?  My parents are Republican.  They have already told me that they WILL NOT vote for Romney because he's Mormon (family history with Mormons), and they WILL NOT vote for Gingrich because of the MS thing.  See, my mom has late stage MS and my dad has stayed with her and taken care of her since she was first diagnosed with the condition 20 years ago.  She's down to being unable to feed herself these days and he still does it.  He's even gone so far as to learn how to be a nurse so that he can take care of her when her nurse isn't around (evenings, the state will only pay for a day nurse 7 days a week).

And my dad is the kind of guy that can't NOT vote, so he'll either go third party or vote for Obama.
Title: Re: "Gingrich wanted open marriage" claims 2nd wife
Post by: Bezron on January 20, 2012, 07:20:39 am
How much money does Gingrich make?

According to the tax returns he posted last night, it's upwards of $3M/year.
Title: Re: "Gingrich wanted open marriage" claims 2nd wife
Post by: sandman on January 20, 2012, 08:09:06 am
I for one am getting rather sick of the fact that the only people who are able to participate in national political office are the fucking rich. The government will always favor and cater to the 1% because the government IS the 1%.
Title: Re: "Gingrich wanted open marriage" claims 2nd wife
Post by: erictheblue on January 20, 2012, 09:14:26 am
I for one am getting rather sick of the fact that the only people who are able to participate in national political office are the fucking rich. The government will always favor and cater to the 1% because the government IS the 1%.

I agree. I keep thinking there has to be a way to make politics accessible to other people, but I think the only way to do it would be to require candidates to take public financing and turn down private donations. Of course, that does not stop candidates from funding PACs who only pretend to be independent...
Title: Re: "Gingrich wanted open marriage" claims 2nd wife
Post by: Qlockworkcanary on January 20, 2012, 09:24:30 am
So basically, Newt approaches marriage like the GOP does health care: if they get sick, fuck 'em, we gone!
Title: Re: "Gingrich wanted open marriage" claims 2nd wife
Post by: N. De Plume on January 20, 2012, 09:51:50 am
And my dad is the kind of guy that can't NOT vote, so he'll either go third party or vote for Obama.
Well, that is very civic minded of him.

Sad to hear about the MS, though.


I for one am getting rather sick of the fact that the only people who are able to participate in national political office are the fucking rich. The government will always favor and cater to the 1% because the government IS the 1%.

I agree. I keep thinking there has to be a way to make politics accessible to other people, but I think the only way to do it would be to require candidates to take public financing and turn down private donations. Of course, that does not stop candidates from funding PACs who only pretend to be independent...
Yeah, basically this. I think the PACs need to be reigned in anyway.
Title: Re: "Gingrich wanted open marriage" claims 2nd wife
Post by: Eniliad on January 20, 2012, 09:58:15 am
Heh, I can thank The Daily Show and The Colbert Report for bringing the totally broken laws re: PACs to my attention. I would never have known anything about them if it weren't for their apparent dedication to highlighting the fuck out of everything wrong with them and what you can get away with with them. Glad they did though; now I can agree that PACs seriously need some reigning in.
Title: Re: "Gingrich wanted open marriage" claims 2nd wife
Post by: The Bright Angel on January 21, 2012, 05:35:25 am
So basically, Newt approaches marriage like the GOP does health care: if they get sick, fuck 'em, we gone!

Isn't that the same with all fundies?

Newt really has some interesting charm to woo the people even though he is shown to be a hypercrite. Seriously do these people think? Still Newt you're a piece of work.

I personally think all the candidates suck. Can we vote in Colbert please?
Title: Re: "Gingrich wanted open marriage" claims 2nd wife
Post by: sandman on January 21, 2012, 10:59:36 am
I think the real alarming issue revealed here is the fundamentalist, evangelical Christian belief that if you are the right kind of Christian and are really sorry about the bad and disgusting shit you have done, it's cool, because YOU ARE FORGIVEN! No one is allowed to talk about it or judge you for it or hold it against you because YOU ARE FORGIVEN!

Preacher: "Yeah I stole all that money from the church but I am really, really sorry about it! I'm forgiven! So send in that check to help out our ministry..."

Gullible Evangelical: "OK!"
Title: Re: "Gingrich wanted open marriage" claims 2nd wife
Post by: Eniliad on January 21, 2012, 02:14:48 pm
I think the real alarming issue revealed here is the fundamentalist, evangelical Christian belief that if you are the right kind of Christian and are really sorry about the bad and disgusting shit you have done, it's cool, because YOU ARE FORGIVEN! No one is allowed to talk about it or judge you for it or hold it against you because YOU ARE FORGIVEN!

Preacher: "Yeah I stole all that money from the church but I am really, really sorry about it! I'm forgiven! So send in that check to help out our ministry..."

Gullible Evangelical: "OK!"


+. Fucking. 1.