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Re: Worst of Social Justice
« Reply #150 on: July 06, 2013, 11:27:31 pm »
I can't wait until someone gets onto me for reblogging or posting something innocuous like that. It'll be fun.
Just say you like wolves or something like that. If you're lucky, you'll get a bunch of hysterical knob-ends screaming at you for "appropriating otherkin/therian/whatever culture" or some shit. It may take a few tries, admittedly, but it'd be so worth it.

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Re: Worst of Social Justice
« Reply #151 on: July 06, 2013, 11:33:11 pm »
I can't wait until someone gets onto me for reblogging or posting something innocuous like that. It'll be fun.
Just say you like wolves or something like that. If you're lucky, you'll get a bunch of hysterical knob-ends screaming at you for "appropriating otherkin/therian/whatever culture" or some shit. It may take a few tries, admittedly, but it'd be so worth it.
Even easier, just post a drawing of a humanoid wolf.
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Re: Worst of Social Justice
« Reply #152 on: July 06, 2013, 11:39:17 pm »
I can't wait until someone gets onto me for reblogging or posting something innocuous like that. It'll be fun.
Just say you like wolves or something like that. If you're lucky, you'll get a bunch of hysterical knob-ends screaming at you for "appropriating otherkin/therian/whatever culture" or some shit. It may take a few tries, admittedly, but it'd be so worth it.
Even easier, just post a drawing of a humanoid wolf.

I already reblog/post wolves with the tag 'my spirit animal' and have done so for a solid year, still nothing.

If they're gonna yell at me for appropriating, it would be for that, not therian/furry/otherkin.

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« Reply #153 on: July 07, 2013, 01:53:35 am »
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Walking around campus today and this guy was obviously staring at my tits. I walked up to him and spit in his fucking ugly ass face and then just walked off while he cursed and whined about his precious male “personal space."

Oh and you can be sure he spewed a few slurs at me, that’s all men fucking do it seems.

Anyway, it felt amazing to finally just do something I’ve been wanting to do ever since I realized men are disgusting pervs.



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Re: Worst of Social Justice
« Reply #154 on: July 07, 2013, 01:55:55 am »
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Walking around campus today and this guy was obviously staring at my tits. I walked up to him and spit in his fucking ugly ass face and then just walked off while he cursed and whined about his precious male “personal space."

Oh and you can be sure he spewed a few slurs at me, that’s all men fucking do it seems.

Anyway, it felt amazing to finally just do something I’ve been wanting to do ever since I realized men are disgusting pervs.




You know in some states spitting at/on someone is considered assault.

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Re: Worst of Social Justice
« Reply #155 on: July 07, 2013, 02:04:49 am »
I found the queer fetishizing tag in tumblr. Its awesome, just tons of weirdos screaming incoherently about shipping in fandoms.

I understand the concept and how its a little ugly. But holy hell its fucking shipping. If youre gonna bitch about queer fetishisation direct it to somewhere with less crazy and has an actual iota of importance.
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Re: Worst of Social Justice
« Reply #156 on: July 07, 2013, 02:09:04 am »
I found the queer fetishizing tag in tumblr. Its awesome, just tons of weirdos screaming incoherently about shipping in fandoms.

I understand the concept and how its a little ugly. But holy hell its fucking shipping. If youre gonna bitch about queer fetishisation direct it to somewhere with...less...crazy
And, side note, why bitch about it? If people are fetishising it, it means they accept it. Be glad you have supporters. And, what about the gays and bisexuals that ship gay or bisexual ships? Are they fetishising themselves? Does that mean they can use a mirror as a masturbation aid?
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Re: Worst of Social Justice
« Reply #157 on: July 07, 2013, 02:12:09 am »
Heres a good example

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This is rampant in the Sherlock fandom (ew I can’t believe I actually typed that out), where teenage cishet white girls take avid part in the queer fetishization of two (racist and misogynistic) male characters and use them as the fodder of their sexual fantasies. If you equate an entire community, sexuality and gender identity, a person with feelings and thoughts, and just make it all about what gets you off, you are a QUEER FETISHIST. You are erasing the importance, identity, and humanity of a queer person and community for the sake of your sex drive. If you consider the relationship of two fictional characters that you ship together more important than the abuse, assault, rape, oppression, and queerphobia that the queer community experiences, you are terrible fucking person. That is queerphobic. I hate you.

I can see their point, but it dies in the WHARGARBL and the concept that fanfiction and shipping actually matter.
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Re: Worst of Social Justice
« Reply #158 on: July 07, 2013, 02:16:51 am »
Heres a good example

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This is rampant in the Sherlock fandom (ew I can’t believe I actually typed that out), where teenage cishet white girls take avid part in the queer fetishization of two (racist and misogynistic) male characters and use them as the fodder of their sexual fantasies. If you equate an entire community, sexuality and gender identity, a person with feelings and thoughts, and just make it all about what gets you off, you are a QUEER FETISHIST. You are erasing the importance, identity, and humanity of a queer person and community for the sake of your sex drive. If you consider the relationship of two fictional characters that you ship together more important than the abuse, assault, rape, oppression, and queerphobia that the queer community experiences, you are terrible fucking person. That is queerphobic. I hate you.

I can see their point, but it dies because they think fanfiction actually matters
Their point dies at "Sherlock fandom". The show intentionally teases John/Sherlock so much that it's practically canon. Hell, Moffat said they're a romantic, but non-sexual, couple in one of the interviews. They're fucking canon, you idiot (not you, Hofstadter's Tortoise, the whiner person you quoted). And, they don't consider it "more important", nor are they just doing it to get off. I've seen plenty of shipping fics. Many are romance stories. Hell, the ones I write are romance stories (I actually like romance fanfic more than smut, by the way). But, there's no way it's homophobic. You can't love gay people and be a homophobe.
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Re: Worst of Social Justice
« Reply #159 on: July 07, 2013, 02:20:53 am »
Heres a good post in the huge trashpile of that tag

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To me queer fetishization has always been the tokenism we see in the vast majority of commercial media narratives: the Sassy Gay Friend, the sexless B plot, the punchline, the committed couple that get to hug on screen but don’t get to kiss. To me, queer fetishization is the moment where a person talks about how hot same-sex porn is, but then don’t want their gay neighbor to be able to get married. To me, queer fetishization is the gaggle of straight people that come to the gay bar to drink and dance, but are petrified of being hit on by any queer people that might just happen to be there.

I’m not offended by straight people writing queer characters or narratives in which a romance between two queer characters is what drives the story. I think many mistakes can be made in characterization of both individuals and culture and I think privilege can preclude writers from fully grasping certain situations. But, in my experience, more often than not, amazing narratives come from amazing writers who care and pay attention to detail, whatever their sexual identity is, wherever they come from.

See, this is a good argument and actually touches on the big picture, not stupid little fanfictions
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Re: Worst of Social Justice
« Reply #160 on: July 07, 2013, 02:34:53 am »
Heres a good post in the huge trashpile of that tag

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To me queer fetishization has always been the tokenism we see in the vast majority of commercial media narratives: the Sassy Gay Friend, the sexless B plot, the punchline, the committed couple that get to hug on screen but don’t get to kiss. To me, queer fetishization is the moment where a person talks about how hot same-sex porn is, but then don’t want their gay neighbor to be able to get married. To me, queer fetishization is the gaggle of straight people that come to the gay bar to drink and dance, but are petrified of being hit on by any queer people that might just happen to be there.

I’m not offended by straight people writing queer characters or narratives in which a romance between two queer characters is what drives the story. I think many mistakes can be made in characterization of both individuals and culture and I think privilege can preclude writers from fully grasping certain situations. But, in my experience, more often than not, amazing narratives come from amazing writers who care and pay attention to detail, whatever their sexual identity is, wherever they come from.

See, this is a good argument and actually touches on the big picture, not stupid little fanfictions
Now, that one is much more sane. While I don't agree with "the Sassy Gay Friend, the sexless B plot, the punchline, the committed couple that get to hug on screen but don’t get to kiss" as fetishization, the rest is true, and that kind of stuff is still bad. I still think Willow/Tara on Buffy The Vampire Slayer was the best written gay couple in television, and that Glee should be burnt because it's just insulting to gays. This one gets to the point of things, and isn't written by a total idiot.
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Re: Worst of Social Justice
« Reply #161 on: July 07, 2013, 03:04:05 am »
Heres a good post in the huge trashpile of that tag

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To me queer fetishization has always been the tokenism we see in the vast majority of commercial media narratives: the Sassy Gay Friend, the sexless B plot, the punchline, the committed couple that get to hug on screen but don’t get to kiss. To me, queer fetishization is the moment where a person talks about how hot same-sex porn is, but then don’t want their gay neighbor to be able to get married. To me, queer fetishization is the gaggle of straight people that come to the gay bar to drink and dance, but are petrified of being hit on by any queer people that might just happen to be there.

I’m not offended by straight people writing queer characters or narratives in which a romance between two queer characters is what drives the story. I think many mistakes can be made in characterization of both individuals and culture and I think privilege can preclude writers from fully grasping certain situations. But, in my experience, more often than not, amazing narratives come from amazing writers who care and pay attention to detail, whatever their sexual identity is, wherever they come from.

See, this is a good argument and actually touches on the big picture, not stupid little fanfictions
Now, that one is much more sane. While I don't agree with "the Sassy Gay Friend, the sexless B plot, the punchline, the committed couple that get to hug on screen but don’t get to kiss" as fetishization, the rest is true, and that kind of stuff is still bad. I still think Willow/Tara on Buffy The Vampire Slayer was the best written gay couple in television, and that Glee should be burnt because it's just insulting to gays. This one gets to the point of things, and isn't written by a total idiot.


I think I can agree with everything except the "straight people go into gay bar for dance and drinks but don't want to get hit on" part. I mean straight people go to straigth bars for dance and drink as well and not all of them want to be hit on. And even if they are looking for "action" it does not mean that they would want to return the advances of just anyone.

In fact people regardless of their sexual orientation or location have no obligation to return the advances of anyone who wants to hit on them. People still have the right to decide who they want to get intimate with. If a lesbian woman is in a bar just to have drinks with her friends and a random drunken guy tries to get in her pants... Well, you wouldn't be amazed if she doesn't respond well to that.

Still, I agree with most of that post. I am particulalry still amazed that some of the same people who (openly) drool over lesbian porn suddenly claim that same sex marriage is so utterly immoral and deprived that it cannot be allowed...
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Re: Worst of Social Justice
« Reply #162 on: July 07, 2013, 03:13:35 am »
Heres a good post in the huge trashpile of that tag

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To me queer fetishization has always been the tokenism we see in the vast majority of commercial media narratives: the Sassy Gay Friend, the sexless B plot, the punchline, the committed couple that get to hug on screen but don’t get to kiss. To me, queer fetishization is the moment where a person talks about how hot same-sex porn is, but then don’t want their gay neighbor to be able to get married. To me, queer fetishization is the gaggle of straight people that come to the gay bar to drink and dance, but are petrified of being hit on by any queer people that might just happen to be there.

I’m not offended by straight people writing queer characters or narratives in which a romance between two queer characters is what drives the story. I think many mistakes can be made in characterization of both individuals and culture and I think privilege can preclude writers from fully grasping certain situations. But, in my experience, more often than not, amazing narratives come from amazing writers who care and pay attention to detail, whatever their sexual identity is, wherever they come from.

See, this is a good argument and actually touches on the big picture, not stupid little fanfictions
Now, that one is much more sane. While I don't agree with "the Sassy Gay Friend, the sexless B plot, the punchline, the committed couple that get to hug on screen but don’t get to kiss" as fetishization, the rest is true, and that kind of stuff is still bad. I still think Willow/Tara on Buffy The Vampire Slayer was the best written gay couple in television, and that Glee should be burnt because it's just insulting to gays. This one gets to the point of things, and isn't written by a total idiot.


I think I can agree with everything except the "straight people go into gay bar for dance and drinks but don't want to get hit on" part. I mean straight people go to straigth bars for dance and drink as well and not all of them want to be hit on. And even if they are looking for "action" it does not mean that they would want to return the advances of just anyone.

In fact people regardless of their sexual orientation or location have no obligation to return the advances of anyone who wants to hit on them. People still have the right to decide who they want to get intimate with. If a lesbian woman is in a bar just to have drinks with her friends and a random drunken guy tries to get in her pants... Well, you wouldn't be amazed if she doesn't respond well to that.

Still, I agree with most of that post. I am particulalry still amazed that some of the same people who (openly) drool over lesbian porn suddenly claim that same sex marriage is so utterly immoral and deprived that it cannot be allowed...
True, but those kind of situations are not what they're speaking of. They are speaking of straight people who do not want any gay people to hit on them in a gay bar.
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Re: Worst of Social Justice
« Reply #163 on: July 07, 2013, 03:47:04 am »
Heres a good post in the huge trashpile of that tag

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To me queer fetishization has always been the tokenism we see in the vast majority of commercial media narratives: the Sassy Gay Friend, the sexless B plot, the punchline, the committed couple that get to hug on screen but don’t get to kiss. To me, queer fetishization is the moment where a person talks about how hot same-sex porn is, but then don’t want their gay neighbor to be able to get married. To me, queer fetishization is the gaggle of straight people that come to the gay bar to drink and dance, but are petrified of being hit on by any queer people that might just happen to be there.

I’m not offended by straight people writing queer characters or narratives in which a romance between two queer characters is what drives the story. I think many mistakes can be made in characterization of both individuals and culture and I think privilege can preclude writers from fully grasping certain situations. But, in my experience, more often than not, amazing narratives come from amazing writers who care and pay attention to detail, whatever their sexual identity is, wherever they come from.

See, this is a good argument and actually touches on the big picture, not stupid little fanfictions
Now, that one is much more sane. While I don't agree with "the Sassy Gay Friend, the sexless B plot, the punchline, the committed couple that get to hug on screen but don’t get to kiss" as fetishization, the rest is true, and that kind of stuff is still bad. I still think Willow/Tara on Buffy The Vampire Slayer was the best written gay couple in television, and that Glee should be burnt because it's just insulting to gays. This one gets to the point of things, and isn't written by a total idiot.


I think I can agree with everything except the "straight people go into gay bar for dance and drinks but don't want to get hit on" part. I mean straight people go to straigth bars for dance and drink as well and not all of them want to be hit on. And even if they are looking for "action" it does not mean that they would want to return the advances of just anyone.

In fact people regardless of their sexual orientation or location have no obligation to return the advances of anyone who wants to hit on them. People still have the right to decide who they want to get intimate with. If a lesbian woman is in a bar just to have drinks with her friends and a random drunken guy tries to get in her pants... Well, you wouldn't be amazed if she doesn't respond well to that.

Still, I agree with most of that post. I am particulalry still amazed that some of the same people who (openly) drool over lesbian porn suddenly claim that same sex marriage is so utterly immoral and deprived that it cannot be allowed...
True, but those kind of situations are not what they're speaking of. They are speaking of straight people who do not want any gay people to hit on them in a gay bar.
And that is different because?
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Re: Worst of Social Justice
« Reply #164 on: July 07, 2013, 03:49:49 am »
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