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Re: Bacon printer, motherf***er!
« Reply #15 on: February 01, 2013, 12:03:52 am »
Not really a replicator, as that converts energy into matter using the principles of the conservation of mass and energy. (If the collision of an atom of matter and antimatter obliterates both and releases their full potential of energy, then that amount of energy can be used to create an atom of matter.)

This would have to be refueled by the sum total of the matter that is used to create the bacon. On the positive side, this will surely be significantly more efficient than cattle farming.

[nerd talk] Actually, Star Trek replicators don't work like that. They're established as having food stock and all of the vitamins, minerals, and other goodies needed to make food stored in the cargo bay. The replicators can't even rearrange on a molecular level; they just put all the pieces together with miniature teleporters.

So ironically, the idea of a bacon printer IS closer to a real Star Trek replicator than your theory: both of them require the actual food to already exist (replicators have food stock in the cargo bay, the bacon printer has cartridges filled with lab-grown cells) and simply combine all of the pieces into a ready-to-eat form. Literally the only difference is that replicators use teleporters to turn the food bits into an energy form and then recombine them in the right shape on the other side, while the bacon printer basically sprays the cells onto a surface in the right order.[/nerd talk]
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Re: Bacon printer, motherf***er!
« Reply #16 on: February 02, 2013, 06:11:21 am »
Not really a replicator, as that converts energy into matter using the principles of the conservation of mass and energy. (If the collision of an atom of matter and antimatter obliterates both and releases their full potential of energy, then that amount of energy can be used to create an atom of matter.)

This would have to be refueled by the sum total of the matter that is used to create the bacon. On the positive side, this will surely be significantly more efficient than cattle farming.

[nerd talk] Actually, Star Trek replicators don't work like that. They're established as having food stock and all of the vitamins, minerals, and other goodies needed to make food stored in the cargo bay. The replicators can't even rearrange on a molecular level; they just put all the pieces together with miniature teleporters.

So ironically, the idea of a bacon printer IS closer to a real Star Trek replicator than your theory: both of them require the actual food to already exist (replicators have food stock in the cargo bay, the bacon printer has cartridges filled with lab-grown cells) and simply combine all of the pieces into a ready-to-eat form. Literally the only difference is that replicators use teleporters to turn the food bits into an energy form and then recombine them in the right shape on the other side, while the bacon printer basically sprays the cells onto a surface in the right order.[/nerd talk]

Uhh...I've been a Trekkie for the last two and a half decades and this is the first I've heard of replicators operating like that. Everything I've seen on screen does more to support Sylyana and Rav, as explained by the Memory-Alpha article on replicators. I'm curious as to a source for where you got this info. ???
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Re: Bacon printer, motherf***er!
« Reply #17 on: February 02, 2013, 08:10:42 am »
Raw foodstock info comes from the Technical Manual. TNG Season 3 Episode 55 ("The Enemy") also notes that ribosomes are apparently too complex to make with a replicator, despite modern technology being capable of cloning them. Episode 65 ("Sins of the Father") notes that caviar comes out imperfectly from a replicator, despite containing no exotic materials whatsoever. Items like gold and gemstones maintain value (DS9 Season 1 Episode 4 "Past Prologue" and Episode 10 "Move Along Home" respectively), though a machine that actually changes the state of matter through atomic rearranging would make them worthless. And there's MANY instances of material that has to be mined and/or carried via starship instead of being made in a replicator.

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Re: Bacon printer, motherf***er!
« Reply #18 on: February 02, 2013, 02:38:50 pm »
Holy crap I want one... You could even make bacon that spells out fun things.
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Re: Bacon printer, motherf***er!
« Reply #19 on: February 12, 2013, 05:56:34 am »
Woah, woah. Would you be able to make...synthetic human flesh?
Or would there be bans on that or something?
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Re: Bacon printer, motherf***er!
« Reply #20 on: February 12, 2013, 07:04:36 am »
Woah, woah. Would you be able to make...synthetic human flesh?
Or would there be bans on that or something?

On the contrary, I think they would encourage use of this technology for making synthetic human flesh. Skin grafts, for one.
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Re: Bacon printer, motherf***er!
« Reply #21 on: February 12, 2013, 06:00:12 pm »
Woah, woah. Would you be able to make...synthetic human flesh?
Or would there be bans on that or something?

On the contrary, I think they would encourage use of this technology for making synthetic human flesh. Skin grafts, for one.

Actually, they've already been looking into that.  The medical community is happy as hell, if they can get it all to work correctly.
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Re: Bacon printer, motherf***er!
« Reply #22 on: February 16, 2013, 04:54:25 am »
Woah, woah. Would you be able to make...synthetic human flesh?
Or would there be bans on that or something?

On the contrary, I think they would encourage use of this technology for making synthetic human flesh. Skin grafts, for one.

Actually, they've already been looking into that.  The medical community is happy as hell, if they can get it all to work correctly.

I for one see that as a much better application for this technology. Skin crafts, muscles, maybe even new organs being "printed" by a machine would be awesome.
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Re: Bacon printer, motherf***er!
« Reply #23 on: February 16, 2013, 08:40:06 am »
This may also lead to an increase in meat in the world diet and a decrease in mass raising and slaughter of live animals. Many vegetarians and vegans refuse to eat meat out of a desire to avoid harming other living creatures, or out of protest of the livestock farming conditions. Should this technology advance to the point that lab-grown cells are a viable source of meat, such complaints would be rendered moot. Even outside of the "print your own bacon" technology, simply the ability to grow and assemble cells into different foods without needing to slaughter animals to do so will be a massive boon for the meat industry. It'll probably radically change how farmland is appropriated (no need to have massive farms raising and slaughtering cattle and chickens by the thousand if technology lets you manufacture the meat for the same or a lower price), as well as world economies (if lab-grown food is the same price or cheaper than "real meat", massive agricultural raising of livestock will become less viable and companies that have a heavy hand in the production, like the McDonalds Corporation, would need to switch to this alternative meat production source or buy it from producers).
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