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Syrian Civil War
« on: June 12, 2012, 07:44:20 pm »
http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-06-12/syria-called-civil-war-as-russia-ships-attack-choppers
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/12/syria-children-human-shields_n_1589066.html


A quote from the article on Business week

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A United Nations official said Syria is now in the throes of a civil war, and U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said Russia is shipping the Syrian regime additional attack helicopters that “will escalate the conflict quite dramatically.”

Clinton’s comments yesterday create a new source of tension between the U.S and Russia even as UN-Arab League envoy Kofi Annan works against a mid-July deadline for his diplomatic effort to rein in the violence and begin a political transition to remove Syrian leader Bashar al-Assad. Annan is seeking to draw Russia, Syria’s ally, into the peace effort for additional leverage on Assad


and a quote from the Huffington Post

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UNITED NATIONS -- A U.N. report released Monday includes Syrian government forces and their allied "shabiha" militias for the first time on a list of 52 governments and armed groups that recruit, kill or sexually attack children in armed conflicts.

In Syria, it said, children as young as 9 years old have been victims of killing and maiming, arbitrary arrest, detention, torture, and sexual violence, and have been used as human shields.

I really don't know how to respond to this but it looks like another revolution similar to the one in Libya.

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Re: Syrian Civil War
« Reply #1 on: June 12, 2012, 09:08:27 pm »
inb4 USA "wages peace" in Syria
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Re: Syrian Civil War
« Reply #2 on: June 13, 2012, 05:06:52 pm »
Like we did in Libya?

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Re: Syrian Civil War
« Reply #3 on: June 13, 2012, 06:05:42 pm »
Can we let them deal with it on their own, please? There's no good reason for us to get involved in another nation's domestic issues.
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Re: Syrian Civil War
« Reply #4 on: June 13, 2012, 06:13:14 pm »
Can we let them deal with it on their own, please? There's no good reason for us to get involved in another nation's domestic issues.
My thoughts exactly.

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Re: Syrian Civil War
« Reply #5 on: June 13, 2012, 07:27:50 pm »
Dammit Russia stop doing this sigh.  Seriously why do we have two non democracies on the permanent security council?

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Re: Syrian Civil War
« Reply #6 on: June 14, 2012, 03:56:56 am »
Dammit Russia stop doing this sigh.  Seriously why do we have two non democracies on the permanent security council?

Personally I think that number is closer to 3 because America is really not much more a democracy than Russia.
I am inclined to think that the right thing to do is for the UN to step in and basically do what was done in Libya, unlike what the US did in Iraq. Provide support, but don't get involved in the ground war. Of course the UN wont get involved because there are no huge oil fields in Syria, if there were we wouldn't be having this discussion.

The UN is supposed to be a global humanitarian peacekeeping initiative but seems to serve the greed of the permanent security counsel member more than anything else. Further with Russia, the US and China all having veto power, the organization cannot actually work as it is intended.

I honestly don't like the situation in Syria. I personally think that the rebels are going to be just as evil and vicious a despot as the current leader. It is hard to know who to support when both seem like pretty bad groups. The government is definitely committing human rights violations against its people though, and that should be dealt with by the UN. The actions of the rebels will have to be dealt with later I suppose.

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Re: Syrian Civil War
« Reply #7 on: June 14, 2012, 05:02:09 am »
Can we let them deal with it on their own, please? There's no good reason for us to get involved in another nation's domestic issues.
Army mortar'ing residential areas? Snipers shooting at passersby? Small children being used as human shields? This has gone on for close to a year now? Eh, let them deal with it. There's no good reason to get involved. We'll just watch. We have experience watching, after all.
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Re: Syrian Civil War
« Reply #8 on: June 14, 2012, 05:04:19 am »
Army mortar'ing residential areas? Snipers shooting at passersby? Small children being used as human shields? This has gone on for close to a year now? Eh, let them deal with it. There's no good reason to get involved. We'll just watch.
Because the next regime is totally going to be all sunshine and rainbows. Yep, no way the rebels aren't just as big a bunch of self serving despots as the current government. No siree bob.

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Re: Syrian Civil War
« Reply #9 on: June 14, 2012, 05:20:44 am »
The FSA mostly consists of deserters. Should tell you something.

As bad as any successors may become, I can't see it being worse than the current situation.
That said, I've stopped trying to anticipate what people around here want a while ago, I've found it makes things smoother.
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Re: Syrian Civil War
« Reply #10 on: June 14, 2012, 05:26:03 am »
The FSA mostly consists of deserters. Should tell you something.

As bad as any successors may become, I can't see it being worse than the current situation.
Either way, it's hardly worth risking our own pilots trying to intervene. It's Syria's fight, not ours.

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Re: Syrian Civil War
« Reply #11 on: June 14, 2012, 07:07:23 am »
One pilot is worth the lives of 10,000 Syrians?
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Re: Syrian Civil War
« Reply #12 on: June 14, 2012, 07:25:55 am »
In the sense that they should not have to risk their lives in someone else's fight, yes. Not to mention, training those guys and giving them big pile of bombs to hurl about isn't exactly pocket change. Basically, it's purely an internal Syrian affair, we've got enough problems of our own to worry about without trying to be the world police.

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Re: Syrian Civil War
« Reply #13 on: June 14, 2012, 07:35:06 am »
Like Libya, replace the regime with ex-Assad people, pro-Western/privatisation businessmen and Islamists. Sounds good.

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Re: Syrian Civil War
« Reply #14 on: June 14, 2012, 09:20:34 am »
I will point out that as bad as Assad is his daddy was far far worse.