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Title: I'm out, guys.
Post by: shykid on August 02, 2012, 02:44:59 pm
Until there is a new forum and IRC not under the control of Keiro or hosted by his servers and from which he is permanently banned, I'm out, guys. I encourage others to do the same. I love most of you, but I simply can't in good conscience stay here.

Keiro, instead of of paying back the money you owe, you apparently mooched off your debtees for a while and spent your money stuffing your face with obscene amounts of food that would feed several people, ordering new servers, pre-ordering some book, and other shit. Then you claimed you didn't have the money to pay them back. That's fucking hilarious. You also lied about losing your wallet and several other things. You're sleazy as fuck. I don't know why you're censoring criticism of yourself and the fact that you owe a large sum of money to Miles and others. Probably to shield yourself from legal action or to protect your "company" from bad press. Either way, I still know what you did. You still know what you did. Most of the forum members still know. Until you delete this too, those who read this and didn't know will know. We all know you are a lying, theiving coward.

Also, if you're another mod reading this and you're tempted to delete this or lock this thread to defend this jackass, then fuck your noise too. If you genuinely think he is innocent, then you're an incredibly poor judge of character and frankly should not have moderator privileges for it. That's not even intended as an insult or a personal attack. It's telling it like it is. If you think this issue is "inappropriate" to discuss in public or that "drama" like this should be kept secret, then you're willfully shielding and protecting a con-artist and preventing his antics from being exposed to the public for all to see. You're only making it easier for him do it again in the future. The evidence he did this vastly overwhelms the evidence he did not. What you choose to do with that evidence is reflective of your character, not simply as a moderator, but as a human being. If you know this is going on and there is nothing you can do to stop it, then step down from your position and leave. That's what I would do at least.

All of that said, sayonara, ɡuys. It's been fun, and I'll be back once this situation is actually dealt with appropriately.
Title: Re: I'm out, guys.
Post by: Sleepy on August 02, 2012, 03:16:57 pm
Shyyyyy. I'll miss you. :(

I'd prefer to be hosted elsewhere as well, because Keiro does not deserve admin privileges.
Title: Re: I'm out, guys.
Post by: Saturn500 on August 02, 2012, 03:29:09 pm
Yeah, you know what? While I'm gonna stay on this board until a mass exodus happens, Keiro deserves no respect whatsoever.
Title: Re: I'm out, guys.
Post by: Bezron on August 02, 2012, 03:46:08 pm
In b4 lock or deletion, because we know it's coming :)


Yeah, you know what? While I'm gonna stay on this board until a mass exodus happens, Keiro deserves no respect whatsoever.

^^This
Title: Re: I'm out, guys.
Post by: RavynousHunter on August 02, 2012, 03:54:46 pm
Yeah...seeing the IRC and Facebook shit he's put up, honestly, I don't blame you at all, bro.  Keiro's servers are a massive clusterfuck that seem to explode on a monthly basis.  To be perfectly honest, he was pretty much a lurker on the ProBoards forum, and the only reason I can see why he was made an admin was out of sheer convenience.

Hell, the only reason we even left the ProBoards forum was because the NSFW section had to go, which isn't that big a deal, if ya ask me.  If you want fucking smut, ya know what?  There are literally a million other places you can go to get your fix, and they're all a minute and a Google search away.  The "sexy [member] threads" can die, and the sexual opinions and shit can be kept in a Confession forum, like what we've got here.

All in all, the only thing these forums have given us is a light porn section, which isn't worth the cost of having a shitty admin running the show, or having it hosted on servers that can't be run for more than a month without catching fucking fire.
Title: Re: I'm out, guys.
Post by: SpaceProg on August 02, 2012, 04:30:24 pm
Well... if another forum is made, I'll go to both since I like quite a few people here.  My stance on the drama in general has been neutral since I have no money put in the Operation (nor any money in general, really :-/), nor any vested interest besides the people and discussions I like here.  Which includes you, Shy.  I'd miss you if you went. :-/
Title: Re: I'm out, guys.
Post by: Hades on August 02, 2012, 05:28:39 pm
My bro <3.

I reflect all of Shy's frustrations and have kept publicly silent about it because I don't like rocking the boat, but it seems the boat is already rocking, so here we go.

To be frank, I never liked the idea of Keiro taking everything over. It felt like he came out of nowhere and just started planning the move without even asking what people thought. I think he won people over solely with the promise of the ability to post wee-wees and boobies, and that was basically all we've gotten out of the deal. This forum has had more downtime in the last 6 months than I ever remember the proboards having.

That's not the least of the problems, however.

When Keiro first announced that he was going to rescue Miles, I, like most people, thought that was the greatest thing ever. At the time, I was under the impression that Keiro had a solid living situation. Soon after, though, the doubts started rolling in.

The first doubt came when he ran out on Gomer and stiffed him on a sizeable chunk of rent money and actively ignored Gomer's pleas for attention. The second doubt came when he made plans with other forum members to put the operation into motion, and when the time came, nothing came of it because of him. Not only did this waste forum member's valuable time, but it dashed the hopes of a poor kid who didn't need that extra shit to deal with. The third, and most enraging example was when I found out that Keiro is essentially a homeless couch surfer.

This is speaking directly to Keiro:

How can you offer refuge and a stable envirionment to someone who needs it desperately, when you don't even have that for yourself? I don't give a tuppenny fuck about what plans you had for getting a house from your relative, or whatever the plan was. You had no firm ground to stand on when you set the whole operation up, and that alone means you had no right to make such a lofty promise. And to make it all even worse, you decided to tack on another rescuee while you were at it. You are foresightless at the very best, and a rotten piece of shit at the very worst. I lean more toward the latter, because of all the above in conjunction with all of the money fuckery.

As angry as this all makes me, I can't bring myself to wish anything bad upon you. If you keep living this way, you will get everything you deserve.
Title: Re: I'm out, guys.
Post by: TheL on August 02, 2012, 06:05:18 pm
It's pretty much all lack of foresight.  He lets idealistic thoughts of Making Things Better For People get in the way of the reality that sometimes you can't really do shit because your current situation is fucked.

Keiro builds castles in the air, doesn't show anyone the plans beforehand, then is baffled when they collapse into a huge mess.

On the plus side, Eni and Keiro have separately informed me that they have worked out a written contract for Keiro to pay him and Miles what he owes.
Title: Re: I'm out, guys.
Post by: Thejebusfire on August 02, 2012, 06:52:20 pm
Yeah, you know what? While I'm gonna stay on this board until a mass exodus happens, Keiro deserves no respect whatsoever.
Yeap.
Title: Re: I'm out, guys.
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on August 02, 2012, 06:55:57 pm
Hades pretty much summed up most of my thoughts on the matter, except that I suspect this situation is more an issue of Keiro lacking foresight and being irresponsible than any intentional fuckery on his part. I'm not prepared to label him an asshole just yet, but I don't exactly have a ton of confidence in him either. In any case, I'm also a bit uncomfortable with the fact that his role as an admin hasn't been at least suspended while this is all sorted out.
Title: Re: I'm out, guys.
Post by: Shane for Wax on August 02, 2012, 07:14:54 pm
I agree with L and Antechrist.

And I will miss ya, bro. Stay in contact on AIM and such, all right?
Title: Re: I'm out, guys.
Post by: niam2023 on August 02, 2012, 07:48:00 pm
Keiro does seem to possess a suddenly quite rotten demeanor. Selecting anyone out of convenience is not a very good move. If anything, this shows that his true nature is a rather avaricious one. Who knows what else is going on?

This whole issue should be a warning flag for people.

If any of the Mods are watching, please, take heed of this and make the right choice.

Title: Re: I'm out, guys.
Post by: Osama bin Bambi on August 02, 2012, 08:45:47 pm
In b4 lock or deletion, because we know it's coming :)


Yeah, you know what? While I'm gonna stay on this board until a mass exodus happens, Keiro deserves no respect whatsoever.

^^This

I second this, and all the sentiments expressed in this thread thusfar. Shy, I'll miss you. :(
Title: Re: I'm out, guys.
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on August 02, 2012, 09:24:04 pm
Meant to say this earlier on: Shy, I'm gonna miss having you around. Your posts often make me want to reach through the screen and hive five you. Do you have a Steam account?
Title: Re: I'm out, guys.
Post by: Sleepy on August 02, 2012, 09:26:13 pm
Hades summed it up well. In addition, I still want to know if Keiro deleted the entire Operation Miles subforum. I suspect he did, in which case he needs to be punished appropriately. Frankly, all his behavior I've seen on here is mounds and mounds of evidence supporting the assertion that he should not be a mod, and that he doesn't deserve to host this site on his shitty server. The problems we've experienced on here have been ridiculous, and while I can tolerate a certain amount of bullshit and be thankful that we're hosted for free, this is fucking insane.

Frankly, I don't want him to be a part of this community, not after all the bullshit he's done. I have no respect. I don't give a shit if he's got personal problems and suffers from trying to do too much for too many people. We've all got problems. Doesn't give him any right to be treated differently.
Title: Re: I'm out, guys.
Post by: Osama bin Bambi on August 02, 2012, 09:32:49 pm
In addition, I still want to know if Keiro deleted the entire Operation Miles subforum.

He did.
Title: Re: I'm out, guys.
Post by: Sleepy on August 02, 2012, 09:35:10 pm
Theeeen fuck him.
Title: Re: I'm out, guys.
Post by: davedan on August 02, 2012, 09:45:39 pm
In addition, I still want to know if Keiro deleted the entire Operation Miles subforum.

He did.

Just out of curiousity, how do you know this?
Title: Re: I'm out, guys.
Post by: Witchyjoshy on August 02, 2012, 09:48:35 pm
Keiro talked about doing it in the IRC.
Title: Re: I'm out, guys.
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on August 02, 2012, 09:50:06 pm
... why wasn't this posted on the forums for those of us who don't frequent the IRC, but donated to the OM fund and therefore have a vested interest in the situation?
Title: Re: I'm out, guys.
Post by: gyeonghwa on August 02, 2012, 09:58:23 pm
Hades summed it up well. In addition, I still want to know if Keiro deleted the entire Operation Miles subforum. I suspect he did, in which case he needs to be punished appropriately.

The entire forum needs to know. If you're going to be the admin of FSTDT, there needs to be a level of accountability.

EDIT: Okay, I know I have heard that he did it. But he needs to come out and admit he did. If nothing else, save yourself some face Keiro.
Title: Re: I'm out, guys.
Post by: Witchyjoshy on August 02, 2012, 09:59:35 pm
... why wasn't this posted on the forums for those of us who don't frequent the IRC, but donated to the OM fund and therefore have a vested interest in the situation?

I can guess at a few reasons why, but I'll leave it at that.

Suffice it to say, I'm not happy about this situation, either.
Title: Re: I'm out, guys.
Post by: Art Vandelay on August 02, 2012, 10:04:59 pm
Hades pretty much summed up most of my thoughts on the matter, except that I suspect this situation is more an issue of Keiro lacking foresight and being irresponsible than any intentional fuckery on his part. I'm not prepared to label him an asshole just yet, but I don't exactly have a ton of confidence in him either. In any case, I'm also a bit uncomfortable with the fact that his role as an admin hasn't been at least suspended while this is all sorted out.
That's pretty much my thoughts. I don't think Kerio is a genuinely bad guy, just that he tried to do far more than he could actually handle. At the very least he's trying to pay back Eniliad and Miles (if the "Operation Unfuck" thread is to be believed) when he could've quite easily refused to do so, due to a lack of anything legally binding.

That said, I'd certainly have no objections to his admin privileges being suspended until all of the money he owes is payed back.
Title: Re: I'm out, guys.
Post by: davedan on August 02, 2012, 10:19:43 pm
... why wasn't this posted on the forums for those of us who don't frequent the IRC, but donated to the OM fund and therefore have a vested interest in the situation?

I echo this sentiment. Echo.
Title: Re: I'm out, guys.
Post by: Keiro Dreamwalker on August 02, 2012, 11:09:44 pm
Hades summed it up well. In addition, I still want to know if Keiro deleted the entire Operation Miles subforum. I suspect he did, in which case he needs to be punished appropriately.

The entire forum needs to know. If you're going to be the admin of FSTDT, there needs to be a level of accountability.

EDIT: Okay, I know I have heard that he did it. But he needs to come out and admit he did. If nothing else, save yourself some face Keiro.

I've admitted as much in the mod room. I'll repeat that admission. Yes, it was I that deleted the subforum.

Edit: That said – All I'm going to say is I'm trying. Enough, please.
Title: Re: I'm out, guys.
Post by: Itachirumon on August 03, 2012, 12:18:43 am
Okay, I feel the need to step in here and say something. This is exactly the reason I disappeared. After Keiro kept putting things off, I asked family what they thought and the general opinion was it would be put of perpetually. I didn't like it and didn't want to leave but following the events of May 12th and no-Miles rescue I left because I didn't feel like it was going to go anywhere. I had the feeling Keiro was lying, but I didn't know the extent.

I don't like saying it, but the consensus felt like it was all going to be a scam. Family thought Miles might be in on it too or Miles and Keiro were the same person, I didn't really believe that but the whole thing stank so bad by then I felt like it was important for me to cut ties entirely. Which ultimately sucks because Miles needed all the support he could get. I didn't want to jump ship but...if it was all a con and OM was just going to be postponed without end...there wasn't a lot I could have done. Ultimately my gut was right and Miles wasn't involved - I'm glad about that... he's too sweet.

But honestly, if I'd known we had $1000 at our disposal, and we'd had it back in April, I should have just gone and done it myself. Miles would have been safe at least two months earlier. I had the experience going after friends by train, I could have done it with no fuss, no mess, no greyhound freakouts. All I didn't have was the time and the car.

All I can say is I'm really glad Miles is safe now, and I have to live with feeling like I betrayed him in an hour of need. I hope these words don't hurt him too much - in spite of what family and friends thought based on past experience (this isn't the first time things like this have happened to me where people make a bunch of promises and then never follow through, the "experience in going after friends by train" showed me this, on three occasions)...I never wanted to believe Miles would be capable of that, and I'm so glad they were wrong.

I'm now going to return to my self-imposed exile. I still lurk, to keep an eye on things, but for the foreseeable future I won't be talking anymore.
Title: Re: I'm out, guys.
Post by: niam2023 on August 03, 2012, 01:28:42 am
If there is any doubt remaining about Keiro, I think this quashed it.

Simply stunning lack of personal integrity.

While taking too much on to his plate can defend some of it, other stuff posted in this thread...it worries me.
Title: Re: I'm out, guys.
Post by: Sleepy on August 03, 2012, 03:22:32 am
At this point, I don't want to hear "Enough." Deleting the subforum was not fucking cool, and there's plenty of other bullshit you've done to fuck people over. I have no sympathy.
Title: Re: I'm out, guys.
Post by: VirtualStranger on August 03, 2012, 05:38:49 am
Internet forums usually go through a sort of life cycle: Birth > Obscurity > Growth > Maturity > Stagnation > Decline > Death

Lately, everything I've been seeing around here indicates that this forum as a whole is rapidly approaching the end of it's life span.
Title: Re: I'm out, guys.
Post by: Art Vandelay on August 03, 2012, 06:17:27 am
Lately, everything I've been seeing around here indicates that this forum as a whole is rapidly approaching the end of it's life span.
Pfft, we've had worse admins in the past and the forums are still very much alive. If the boards die any time in the near future, I'll be very surprised.
Title: Re: I'm out, guys.
Post by: ironbite on August 03, 2012, 07:41:20 am
not gonna say much as i'm on my phone but I will say this.  ever since keiro came out of the blue to host the forums, we've had issues.  weather its the board being slow or just going away to the departure of some long time members, things have changed.  but the fact remains this move happened out of the blue and with no warning to people.  and that can color people's perceptions of things.  so yeah that's that.

ironbite-have more to say later
Title: Re: I'm out, guys.
Post by: Distind on August 03, 2012, 03:55:59 pm
It's rather hard to say much more than 'something' is going to happen at the moment, but there's going to be some fairly significant changes to the forums soon.

When I came back I put a fairly simple set of expectations forward for our moderators, some of those expectations those have been violated, somethings I had never foreseen occurred as well. Prior to now I was able to easily judge the situation and do something about it accordingly, but right now there is no clean solution. I'm going to work with the moderation team to figure out what we should do with the forums, and once I have some options in hand I'll ask the communities opinions.
Title: Re: I'm out, guys.
Post by: Sleepy on August 03, 2012, 06:08:36 pm
Thanks for the update, Distind.
Title: Re: I'm out, guys.
Post by: Distind on August 03, 2012, 06:33:17 pm
Alright, so I have an option that I like better than proboards.

But as I said, community gets to toss their cents in:
http://forums.fstdt.net/fstdt-lounge/what-to-do-with-the-forums/

Like I said thought, not a huge amount of time.
Title: Re: I'm out, guys.
Post by: Radiation on August 05, 2012, 05:13:28 pm
Since the situation has been pretty much resolved and we have been transferred to a new server as well as Keiro's administrative privileges being stripped, not to mention that Distind and Kradorex have taken over as administrators, I am now going to lock this thread, however I will not move it to the Lox'd Box just yet.

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