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Title: Milo defends pederasty gets booted from CPAC
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on February 20, 2017, 09:58:43 pm
Former GooberGater and all round shitheel Milo Yiannopoulos has been doing the Alt Right rounds lately and trying to break into the political mainstream, then this happened.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azC1nm85btY

About one minute in while talking with his fellow dudebro antifeminist "skeptic" buds Milo starts talking about how thirteen year olds having sex with grown adults is something he supports. Of course he prefers it if the adult is under 28. Just a quick reminder Milo recently justified his transphobia on Bill Maher's show with the "think of the children" bathrooms argument. (http://www.vox.com/identities/2017/2/18/14659650/larry-wilmore-milo-yiannopoulos-bill-maher) Maher nodded in agreement because he's a lesser teir of shithead but I digress.

Welp, The Conservative Political Action Conference know by the acronym CPAC has told Milo to go fuck himself because of his pedo-apologism (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/wp/2017/02/20/cpac-sticks-with-yiannopoulos-as-critics-highlight-his-comments-about-underage-sex/?utm_term=.8dd4789cef09). Maybe the little turd's ascent in the Conservative Spin industry will take a well deserved dip.

Be interesting to see if the usual suspects start tut-tutting CPAC for disinviting Milo. Isn't no-platforming b/c your guest is obnoxious taking away their freeze peaches or something?

Title: Re: Milo defends pederasty gets booted from CPAC
Post by: ironbite on February 20, 2017, 10:54:09 pm
Briebart writers are also threatening to walk unless he's fired too.  And he lost his book deal.

Ironbite-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zT8AyfsFmA
Title: Re: Milo defends pederasty gets booted from CPAC
Post by: Askold on February 21, 2017, 12:22:16 am
I'll just copy my earlier comment about this into this thread too:

"I just saw a reddit thread where an Anarcho capitalist was defending pedophiles because "fuck statists" and an Alt-right neo-nazi was arguing with him "because faggots need to be thrown in the oven with the kikes." Note that this was commentary on a video where Milo Yiannapopusomething was defending pedophiles because "it is actually about ethics in game journalism."

...These are strange times."
Title: Re: Milo defends pederasty gets booted from CPAC
Post by: The_Queen on February 21, 2017, 07:56:43 am
How dare liberals threaten his free speech right to molest young boys.
Title: Re: Milo defends pederasty gets booted from CPAC
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on February 21, 2017, 03:38:37 pm
He's resigned his post as tech editor of Brietbart. Not that the sorry little git ever knew anything about tech.
Title: Re: Milo defends pederasty gets booted from CPAC
Post by: davedan on February 21, 2017, 04:18:50 pm
Holy fuck that's a long video Tol. I am not going to watch the video but didn't he say something like "I don't know I wouldn't give such good head if it wasn't for Father Michael".

I think Milo's a douchebag and almost certainly said it just to shock but I don't know if that is exactly a full throated endorsement of paedophilia.
Title: Re: Milo defends pederasty gets booted from CPAC
Post by: Skybison on February 21, 2017, 07:55:34 pm
How dare liberals threaten his free speech right to molest young boys.

First they came for the pedophiles, and I did not speak out for I was not a pedophile.

Then they came for the Nazis, and I did not speak out for I was not a nazi.

Then they came for me and they said "hey there are no more pedophile nazi's around let's party!"  And we partied all night long.
Title: Re: Milo defends pederasty gets booted from CPAC
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on February 21, 2017, 08:53:53 pm
Holy fuck that's a long video Tol. I am not going to watch the video but didn't he say something like "I don't know I wouldn't give such good head if it wasn't for Father Michael".

I think Milo's a douchebag and almost certainly said it just to shock but I don't know if that is exactly a full throated endorsement of paedophilia.
It's about a minute in. The source I got it from started playing at the exact moment he starts his rant and I dunno how to do that here. When I get back home I'll give you a more exact timestamp.

But yeah he does say that adults.who boink 13 year olds who are undergoing puberty isn't pedo on his not so humble opinion. Maybe I'm just a cranky old stick in the mud but it sure as hell sounds like pederasty to me!
Title: Re: Milo defends pederasty gets booted from CPAC
Post by: RavynousHunter on February 21, 2017, 08:54:47 pm
Shit, I've only got half a bottle of rum!  You can't party on a half bottle of rum!
Title: Re: Milo defends pederasty gets booted from CPAC
Post by: SCarpelan on February 21, 2017, 09:41:30 pm
Oh yeah. He also says that he is thankful to the priest who molested him since that taught him to give better head.
Title: Re: Milo defends pederasty gets booted from CPAC
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on February 21, 2017, 09:50:19 pm
Shit, I've only got half a bottle of rum!  You can't party on a half bottle of rum!
Half a bottle of bourbon and you're set.

But don't mix the streams, never mix the streams!

EDIT: And here we go, did former Brietbarter, GamerGater and current Trumpfan Milo give a "full throated" defense of pedophillia.

Well:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJhHwspZGcg

Here's some commentary if you're unsure:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XE8a_PMx0z0

Now-back to the initial video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azC1nm85btY

Starts at 52:30 at 56:04 he says he was a "sexually aware, promsicuous 13/14 year old perfectly able to give consent (to adults) unlike the 8 year old girl that Sara Nyberg took creepy shots of and posted sexually explicit fantasies on the internet of"

B/W 56:20 and 56:26 he states again that he was (as a thirteen year old) giving fully aware consent (to adults)

At 57:09 He states that it's disingenous to the extreme to state that he's a pedo apologist because Nyberg uploaded sexually explicit pictures and fantasised about her 8 year old and...that's disingenous because reasons. Exactly how that impacts on Milo's being ok with 13 year olds sucking adult dick is unclear in his monolouge on Nyberg.

At 59:26, thereabouts one of Milo's dudebro mates says he'd be creeped out of someone his age had sex with 13 year olds, Milo asks his age, he says he's 35 and Milo says "Ok-we're talking about 28 year olds." Fucking seriously!

So yes, Milo is giving a full throated-balls fucking deep defense of 28 year old men fucking thirteen year old boys b/c he actually thought he was wise beyond his years at 13 and consequently he isn't defending pederasty. Yes, that is Milo/Gamergate/Alt Right insane troll logicness in it's most distilled fucking form!
Title: Re: Milo defends pederasty gets booted from CPAC
Post by: Lana Reverse on February 22, 2017, 03:39:05 pm
Normally, I'd advise not jumping to conclusions, especially after the WSJ smeared PewDiePie as an anti-Semite (http://www.sloanweekly.com/wall-street-journal-smears-famous-youtuber-pewdiepie-with-fake-news/). But I gotta say, it looks pretty bad.
Title: Re: Milo defends pederasty gets booted from CPAC
Post by: davedan on February 22, 2017, 06:01:55 pm
Normally, I'd advise not jumping to conclusions, especially after the WSJ smeared PewDiePie as an anti-Semite (http://www.sloanweekly.com/wall-street-journal-smears-famous-youtuber-pewdiepie-with-fake-news/). But I gotta say, it looks pretty bad.

Thanks for your wisdom paragon.
Title: Re: Milo defends pederasty gets booted from CPAC
Post by: niam2023 on February 22, 2017, 10:28:15 pm
Except the dolt is. He decided the murder of all Jews was nothing but a joke, and paid people to carry signs advocating it. He deserves to lose everything he had and all the fame he accrued - "everything is good material for a joke" is not an attitude that deserves support and encouragement.

I have to wonder, if Pewdiepie were told, in total detail, how extermination went, how the Nazis did it, how they quantified each and every step and what they did with some of their victims, if he would still find it good material for a joke.
Title: Re: Milo defends pederasty gets booted from CPAC
Post by: SCarpelan on February 23, 2017, 04:34:56 am
Calling him an anti-semite is a stretch. He is just a hack who tries to create edgy humour without the talent and effort required to make it work. The result is anti-semitic but it is not clear evidence that he as a person is.

http://www.polygon.com/2017/2/17/14637642/pewdiepie-south-park-anti-semitic-jokes
Title: Re: Milo defends pederasty gets booted from CPAC
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on February 23, 2017, 06:01:40 am
Normally, I'd advise not jumping to conclusions, especially after the WSJ smeared PewDiePie as an anti-Semite (http://www.sloanweekly.com/wall-street-journal-smears-famous-youtuber-pewdiepie-with-fake-news/). But I gotta say, it looks pretty bad.
Because of this (https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--28ItOmWq--/c_scale,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/sphmdl14i6omhzpfykgk.jpg)?

But thank you for your wise counsel about not 'jumping to conclusions' when people say what they actually think. I'll prudently wait for mind-reading technology to emerge so I have one hundred percent absolute proof that they were just lol joek kiddingz when they say "death to all X"
Title: Re: Milo defends pederasty gets booted from CPAC
Post by: Skybison on February 23, 2017, 11:37:17 am
Calling him an anti-semite is a stretch. He is just a hack who tries to create edgy humour without the talent and effort required to make it work. The result is anti-semitic but it is not clear evidence that he as a person is.

http://www.polygon.com/2017/2/17/14637642/pewdiepie-south-park-anti-semitic-jokes

Meh, I kinda think that thinking it's okay to scream racial slurs for the sake of being edgy and getting attention is still racist since it seems to carry a disregard for the feelings of those who are different from yourself. 

Note, I'm drawing a distinction between that and what Stephen Colbert did.  Making a satirical point about bigoted people is fine and good but just being an edgelord isn't.
Title: Re: Milo defends pederasty gets booted from CPAC
Post by: Lana Reverse on February 23, 2017, 04:33:31 pm
Normally, I'd advise not jumping to conclusions, especially after the WSJ smeared PewDiePie as an anti-Semite (http://www.sloanweekly.com/wall-street-journal-smears-famous-youtuber-pewdiepie-with-fake-news/). But I gotta say, it looks pretty bad.
Because of this (https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--28ItOmWq--/c_scale,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/sphmdl14i6omhzpfykgk.jpg)?

But thank you for your wise counsel about not 'jumping to conclusions' when people say what they actually think. I'll prudently wait for mind-reading technology to emerge so I have one hundred percent absolute proof that they were just lol joek kiddingz when they say "death to all X"

I've actually seen the video in question to verify the claims made about it. He was shocked when they actually did it and apologized. When you have something better than an out-of-context screenshot, show it to me.

And screw the WSJ for making me watch PewDiePie.
Title: Re: Milo defends pederasty gets booted from CPAC
Post by: SCarpelan on February 23, 2017, 05:46:02 pm
Calling him an anti-semite is a stretch. He is just a hack who tries to create edgy humour without the talent and effort required to make it work. The result is anti-semitic but it is not clear evidence that he as a person is.

http://www.polygon.com/2017/2/17/14637642/pewdiepie-south-park-anti-semitic-jokes

Meh, I kinda think that thinking it's okay to scream racial slurs for the sake of being edgy and getting attention is still racist since it seems to carry a disregard for the feelings of those who are different from yourself. 

Note, I'm drawing a distinction between that and what Stephen Colbert did.  Making a satirical point about bigoted people is fine and good but just being an edgelord isn't.

If I've understood correctly Pewdiepie tried to make a humorous video about how far people are prepared to go for money. When these people are non-whites living in poor countries this already has racist dimension. The message he used was also undeniably antisemitic. He did have a point under that edginess but he is just too moronic and talentless to make it without making the act both racist and antisemitic.

This makes him a moron and an asshole but not necessarily a racist as a person. If he truly does not understand the consequences of his action it is worth making this distinction between the person and the act. On the other hand, anyone who knowingly and being aware of the nuances does a racist act can be judged as a racist no matter what his personal opinions are otherwise like you suggest. It just seems to me it's much more likely Pewdiepie falls to the former category.
Title: Re: Milo defends pederasty gets booted from CPAC
Post by: davedan on February 23, 2017, 07:17:35 pm
Normally, I'd advise not jumping to conclusions, especially after the WSJ smeared PewDiePie as an anti-Semite (http://www.sloanweekly.com/wall-street-journal-smears-famous-youtuber-pewdiepie-with-fake-news/). But I gotta say, it looks pretty bad.
Because of this (https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--28ItOmWq--/c_scale,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/sphmdl14i6omhzpfykgk.jpg)?

But thank you for your wise counsel about not 'jumping to conclusions' when people say what they actually think. I'll prudently wait for mind-reading technology to emerge so I have one hundred percent absolute proof that they were just lol joek kiddingz when they say "death to all X"

Careful Tol or you will resurrect the 'Die cis scum' debate.
Title: Re: Milo defends pederasty gets booted from CPAC
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on February 23, 2017, 10:50:39 pm
Normally, I'd advise not jumping to conclusions, especially after the WSJ smeared PewDiePie as an anti-Semite (http://www.sloanweekly.com/wall-street-journal-smears-famous-youtuber-pewdiepie-with-fake-news/). But I gotta say, it looks pretty bad.
Because of this (https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--28ItOmWq--/c_scale,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/sphmdl14i6omhzpfykgk.jpg)?

But thank you for your wise counsel about not 'jumping to conclusions' when people say what they actually think. I'll prudently wait for mind-reading technology to emerge so I have one hundred percent absolute proof that they were just lol joek kiddingz when they say "death to all X"

I've actually seen the video in question to verify the claims made about it. He was shocked when they actually did it and apologized. When you have something better than an out-of-context screenshot, show it to me.

And screw the WSJ for making me watch PewDiePie.
Oh yeah *context*, call Disney. It's all ok, there was context for him paying a couple of dudes to wave that sign around while he laughed hysterically contextually. Forgive me for missing the many discrete layers of meaning in "Death to Jews".
Title: Re: Milo defends pederasty gets booted from CPAC
Post by: Lana Reverse on February 24, 2017, 10:22:30 am
Normally, I'd advise not jumping to conclusions, especially after the WSJ smeared PewDiePie as an anti-Semite (http://www.sloanweekly.com/wall-street-journal-smears-famous-youtuber-pewdiepie-with-fake-news/). But I gotta say, it looks pretty bad.
Because of this (https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--28ItOmWq--/c_scale,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/sphmdl14i6omhzpfykgk.jpg)?

But thank you for your wise counsel about not 'jumping to conclusions' when people say what they actually think. I'll prudently wait for mind-reading technology to emerge so I have one hundred percent absolute proof that they were just lol joek kiddingz when they say "death to all X"

I've actually seen the video in question to verify the claims made about it. He was shocked when they actually did it and apologized. When you have something better than an out-of-context screenshot, show it to me.

And screw the WSJ for making me watch PewDiePie.
Oh yeah *context*, call Disney. It's all ok, there was context for him paying a couple of dudes to wave that sign around while he laughed hysterically contextually. Forgive me for missing the many discrete layers of meaning in "Death to Jews".

Have you watched the video? The context is that he found some channel or whatever that would do a video based on your request for $5. Pewds looked at that and said "Surely they've got to have some limit. I'll see how far I can push this." He offered them money to hold up a sign with an anti-Semitic slogan, and then when they sent the vid his reaction was along the lines of ".....dear God....they actually did it......"
Title: Re: Milo defends pederasty gets booted from CPAC
Post by: niam2023 on February 24, 2017, 03:45:07 pm
So a moron and an anti-semite then.
Title: Re: Milo defends pederasty gets booted from CPAC
Post by: SCarpelan on February 24, 2017, 04:45:54 pm
Moron who used racist and antisemitic material to construct an act without the understanding of how to do it without making the act as a whole antisemitic and racist.

I think the more constructive way to discuss this is to point out the antisemitic nature of the act which is undeniable and avoid getting bogged down in the debate about whether Pewdiepie himself is an antisemite. That part can be debated endlessly and just distracts attention from the important part since actions are what matter most.

Edited annoying preposition mistakes.
Title: Re: Milo defends pederasty gets booted from CPAC
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on February 24, 2017, 06:07:05 pm
Normally, I'd advise not jumping to conclusions, especially after the WSJ smeared PewDiePie as an anti-Semite (http://www.sloanweekly.com/wall-street-journal-smears-famous-youtuber-pewdiepie-with-fake-news/). But I gotta say, it looks pretty bad.
Because of this (https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--28ItOmWq--/c_scale,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/sphmdl14i6omhzpfykgk.jpg)?

But thank you for your wise counsel about not 'jumping to conclusions' when people say what they actually think. I'll prudently wait for mind-reading technology to emerge so I have one hundred percent absolute proof that they were just lol joek kiddingz when they say "death to all X"

I've actually seen the video in question to verify the claims made about it. He was shocked when they actually did it and apologized. When you have something better than an out-of-context screenshot, show it to me.

And screw the WSJ for making me watch PewDiePie.
Oh yeah *context*, call Disney. It's all ok, there was context for him paying a couple of dudes to wave that sign around while he laughed hysterically contextually. Forgive me for missing the many discrete layers of meaning in "Death to Jews".

Have you watched the video? The context is that he found some channel or whatever that would do a video based on your request for $5. Pewds looked at that and said "Surely they've got to have some limit. I'll see how far I can push this." He offered them money to hold up a sign with an anti-Semitic slogan, and then when they sent the vid his reaction was along the lines of ".....dear God....they actually did it......"
Hey Lana, I found a website for a local Pizza joint, they advertised for a few bucks extra you could have even more toppings so I ordered a pizza with the lot. To my absolute shock a bloke showed up and my door with a really thick pizza with everything on it.

Dear God, they actually did it.

Not bad pizza though.
Title: Re: Milo defends pederasty gets booted from CPAC
Post by: pyro on February 26, 2017, 04:37:38 pm
If the pizza didn't crush the bike, you didn't order enough toppings.
Title: Re: Milo defends pederasty gets booted from CPAC
Post by: fancy_kitten on February 26, 2017, 08:24:25 pm
Normally, I'd advise not jumping to conclusions, especially after the WSJ smeared PewDiePie as an anti-Semite (http://www.sloanweekly.com/wall-street-journal-smears-famous-youtuber-pewdiepie-with-fake-news/). But I gotta say, it looks pretty bad.
Because of this (https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--28ItOmWq--/c_scale,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/sphmdl14i6omhzpfykgk.jpg)?

But thank you for your wise counsel about not 'jumping to conclusions' when people say what they actually think. I'll prudently wait for mind-reading technology to emerge so I have one hundred percent absolute proof that they were just lol joek kiddingz when they say "death to all X"

I've actually seen the video in question to verify the claims made about it. He was shocked when they actually did it and apologized. When you have something better than an out-of-context screenshot, show it to me.

And screw the WSJ for making me watch PewDiePie.
Oh yeah *context*, call Disney. It's all ok, there was context for him paying a couple of dudes to wave that sign around while he laughed hysterically contextually. Forgive me for missing the many discrete layers of meaning in "Death to Jews".

Have you watched the video? The context is that he found some channel or whatever that would do a video based on your request for $5. Pewds looked at that and said "Surely they've got to have some limit. I'll see how far I can push this." He offered them money to hold up a sign with an anti-Semitic slogan, and then when they sent the vid his reaction was along the lines of ".....dear God....they actually did it......"

I dunno, in the video he seems pretty amused by it, although that could have just been a shock laugh.  I don't believe that Pewdiepie is truly an anti-semite, but even in context that video doesn't exactly make him look good.  I do agree that in the greater overall context of people insisting he's anti-semitic even though he isn't, to the point that he made jokes about it, that video makes a little more sense, but you can't expect everybody to be that educated about Pewdiepie lore.
Title: Re: Milo defends pederasty gets booted from CPAC
Post by: RavynousHunter on February 26, 2017, 09:35:41 pm
If the pizza didn't crush the bike, you didn't order enough toppings.

The hell backwater do you live in where pizza still comes by bike?
Title: Re: Milo defends pederasty gets booted from CPAC
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on February 26, 2017, 09:38:59 pm
I dunno, in the video he seems pretty amused by it, although that could have just been a shock laugh.  I don't believe that Pewdiepie is truly an anti-semite, but even in context that video doesn't exactly make him look good.  I do agree that in the greater overall context of people insisting he's anti-semitic even though he isn't, to the point that he made jokes about it, that video makes a little more sense, but you can't expect everybody to be that educated about Pewdiepie lore.
Here's the thing, it's no more important if Pewdie's actually an anti semite or not than whether Milo's actually pro pederasty or not. Here's (https://psmag.com/on-the-milo-bus-with-the-lost-boys-of-americas-new-right-629a77e87986#.t4c1gjldw) what Milo had to say about his recent debacle.

Quote
"My own experiences as a victim led me to believe I could say anything I wanted to on this subject, no matter how outrageous. But I understand that my usual blend of British sarcasm, provocation and gallows humor might have come across as flippancy, a lack of care for other victims or, worse, 'advocacy.' I deeply regret that."

Yeah Milo, it's easy to say "I was only kidding" after the fact. I wonder how often that excuse is used in sexual or racial harassment lawsuits. I also wonder if he would have clarified that he was not being serious had he not lost his book deal and his CPAC gig. Guess we'll never know.

See-nobody actually gives a fuck if you're "Just Joking". It's not the get out of jail free card that will save your reputation. Plenty of four channers use that excuse when pumping out Nazi memes, trouble is a casual visitor can't tell the ones who are using it "ironically" from the ones who really want to purge the untersmench from the face of the Earth. Jokes can be just as, if not more offensive than sincere beliefs. The mere fact that you were being ironic or joking won't stop people judging you harshly.

As others have said, punching down "Jokes" that mock other people's pain at best show a complete disregard for those affected if not actual advocacy for bullying or bigotry. They'll still get you called an arsehole and cause people to not want to have anything to do with you.
Title: Re: Milo defends pederasty gets booted from CPAC
Post by: Askold on February 27, 2017, 12:19:09 am
Normally, I'd advise not jumping to conclusions, especially after the WSJ smeared PewDiePie as an anti-Semite (http://www.sloanweekly.com/wall-street-journal-smears-famous-youtuber-pewdiepie-with-fake-news/). But I gotta say, it looks pretty bad.
Because of this (https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--28ItOmWq--/c_scale,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/sphmdl14i6omhzpfykgk.jpg)?

But thank you for your wise counsel about not 'jumping to conclusions' when people say what they actually think. I'll prudently wait for mind-reading technology to emerge so I have one hundred percent absolute proof that they were just lol joek kiddingz when they say "death to all X"

I've actually seen the video in question to verify the claims made about it. He was shocked when they actually did it and apologized. When you have something better than an out-of-context screenshot, show it to me.

And screw the WSJ for making me watch PewDiePie.
Oh yeah *context*, call Disney. It's all ok, there was context for him paying a couple of dudes to wave that sign around while he laughed hysterically contextually. Forgive me for missing the many discrete layers of meaning in "Death to Jews".

Have you watched the video? The context is that he found some channel or whatever that would do a video based on your request for $5. Pewds looked at that and said "Surely they've got to have some limit. I'll see how far I can push this." He offered them money to hold up a sign with an anti-Semitic slogan, and then when they sent the vid his reaction was along the lines of ".....dear God....they actually did it......"
Hey Lana, I found a website for a local Pizza joint, they advertised for a few bucks extra you could have even more toppings so I ordered a pizza with the lot. To my absolute shock a bloke showed up and my door with a really thick pizza with everything on it.

Dear God, they actually did it.

Not bad pizza though.

/r/madlads