Worst of Social Justice

[TheContrarian]

Just clear this up for me, had you yanks decided the Irish were white by 1912?

Otherwise quite a few blacks died on the Titanic...

[Lt. Fred]

Except the paragraph included "marginalized groups can be just as prejudiced as privileged classes". Which you'd know, had you actually read it.

...The fuck?! Claiming that anyone who's not "privileged" can't be racist or sexist, only prejudiced, is exactly how that logic works.

Everyone gets caught up in this dumb semantic argument. The actual claim is really simple and fairly sensible:

There are two kinds of what we could call "prejudice":

1) Embedded social attitudes, stereotypes, tropes and whatnot. This is reflected in loads of ways: everything from longer sentences for black criminals than white, women not getting as much credit for work as men, and crappy racist legislation. It's also reflected in media and words and shit like that. AND
2) A person consciously hating another person because they are a certain ethnicity. Or using institutionally racist memes to humiliate another person.

The latter is the sort that people remember. The argument is that the former is where the money is, and the latter isn't really that big a deal.

The next step is realising that the word racism has some sick salience and trying to exploit it for good. Not complicated.

[Art Vandelay]

Except the paragraph included "marginalized groups can be just as prejudiced as privileged classes". Which you'd know, had you actually read it.

...The fuck?! Claiming that anyone who's not "privileged" can't be racist or sexist, only prejudiced, is exactly how that logic works.

Everyone gets caught up in this dumb semantic argument. The actual claim is really simple and fairly sensible:

There are two kinds of what we could call "prejudice":

1) Embedded social attitudes, stereotypes, tropes and whatnot. This is reflected in loads of ways: everything from longer sentences for black criminals than white, women not getting as much credit for work as men, and crappy racist legislation. It's also reflected in media and words and shit like that. AND
2) A person consciously hating another person because they are a certain ethnicity. Or using institutionally racist memes to humiliate another person.

The latter is the sort that people remember. The argument is that the former is where the money is, and the latter isn't really that big a deal.

The next step is realising that the word racism has some sick salience and trying to exploit it for good. Not complicated.

That's called institutional racism/sexism. Not pain ol' racism or sexism, institutional racism/sexism. It already has a term, it's a perfectly good term, there's no need whatsoever to try and redefine racism to just mean institutional racism or sexism to just mean institutional sexism (well, we all know why the Tumblr crowd sees a need to try and redefine those words, but nobody with more than three functioning brain cells should even consider taking those knob ends seriously).

[Askold]

I am going to side with Art here.

There is no need to change the meaning of the terms currently in use just because you want to draw attention to one particular aspect of racism.

[SCarpelan]

Language is just a tool to express ideas and in academical discussion it is useful to define terms more precisely and exclusively to express the nuances in different ideas. An author is expected to give explicit definitions to the terms they use (these definitions can be their own or quoted from other authors) since there often are nuances that are ignored in dictionary definitions and separate authors can attach different aspects to same terms. People in a field of study can form a consensus about the definition of a term that is slightly different from the everyday/dictionary definition because that way they can discuss the ideas important to them more accurately. This is where the distinction between institutional racism and racism with the power aspect comes from.

It seems there are a lot of SJWs who ignore this context-sensitive aspect of language and make the mistake of thinking that the definition of racism suitable to their interests is an absolute one. They are abusing this particular definition but the definition itself isn't to blame: in the proper context it is doing its job.

[Ultimate Paragon]

I suspect this might be a joke, but you never know...

[Dakota Bob]

This is a PSA to womyns.

GET REKT SCRUBS

[RavynousHunter]

I suspect this might be a joke, but you never know...

I adore the implication that women are delicate little flowers that can't handle being told they're wrong.  Way to eschew traditional gender roles and go full horseshoe, you brainless overdeveloped cumshots.

[mellenORL]

It reeks of bait. Italicizing "scared" came off too much like the writer grinned while typng it. Or, it's the work of a thirteen year old going through her mawkishly moronic phase.

[Sigmaleph]

It reeks of bait. Italicizing "scared" came off too much like the writer grinned while typng it. Or, it's the work of a thirteen year old going through her mawkishly moronic phase.

I think the latter. The source looks standard for shitty SJ but not obviously trollish (but obviously it's hard to tell sometimes).

[Ultimate Paragon]

I found an article calling for a curfew for men:

https://archive.is/fnORm

[Askold]

I found an article calling for a curfew for men:

https://archive.is/fnORm

Is it too much to ask that you would quote the relevant bits for those of us who can't access that site? And was it written on the Archive site or could you just give us the proper link to the site where it was?

[Ironchew]

I found an article calling for a curfew for men:

I find stupid shit people write on the internet too. It happens sometimes.

There was a post somewhere else on FQA that dealt with this problem rather nicely:

As if that means anything.  There are [stupid people who occasionally write down their ideas], yes, but is that really such a big deal?

[Ultimate Paragon]

I found an article calling for a curfew for men:

https://archive.is/fnORm

Is it too much to ask that you would quote the relevant bits for those of us who can't access that site? And was it written on the Archive site or could you just give us the proper link to the site where it was?

Alrighty then.  Here are some choice quotes:

You’ve had your chance, bepenised ones. And you’ve blown it. What you’ve proven, time and time again, is that you cannot be trusted to behave yourselves after dark. In Germany, about 1000 men are reported to have arrived to the Cologne Cathedral area on New Years Eve, intending to sexually assault and mug as many women as possible. The CBC reports, “Some 121 women are reported to have been robbed, threatened, or sexually molested there by gangs of mostly drunk men between 18 and 35 years old while out celebrating.” Similar attacks took place in Hamburg and Stuttgart as well.

While, yes, men are violent during the day and while, yes, a curfew would not resolve the problem of patriarchy and male violence against women, it does, in a way, address entitlement and privilege. While, in some ways, my argument here began facetiously, the more I consider the idea of a curfew for men, the more it makes sense. Why should men, if they have proven time and time again that they cannot — will not — leave women alone, stop harassing, raping, drugging, stalking, catcalling, groping, flashing, be permitted to move about freely in this world? We — women — are the ones who suffer and who feel afraid.

Think of it as a mass grounding for men. After a designated period of time, we’ll allow them back on the streets after dark to see how it goes. If the sexual assaults and harassment continue, well, it’s back to the curfew.

I found an article calling for a curfew for men:

I find stupid shit people write on the internet too. It happens sometimes.

There was a post somewhere else on FQA that dealt with this problem rather nicely:

As if that means anything.  There are [stupid people who occasionally write down their ideas], yes, but is that really such a big deal?

There's a big difference between drawing porn and calling for people to be put under curfew for something they can't control.

[pyro]

Femitheist Devine? Is that you?