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Title: Santorum: Let States Ban Birth Control
Post by: Smurfette Principle on January 04, 2012, 12:53:12 pm
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One issue was Santorum’s opposition to the Supreme Court’s 1965 ruling that invalidated a Connecticut law banning contraception. Santorum said he still feels that a state should be able to make such laws.
“The state has a right to do that, I have never questioned that the state has a right to do that. It is not a constitutional right, the state has the right to pass whatever statues they have.  That is the thing I have said about the activism of the Supreme Court, they are creating rights, and they should be left up to the people to decide,” he said.
“You shouldn’t create constitutional rights when states do dumb things,” Santorum said. “Let the people decide if the states are doing dumb things get rid of the legislature and replace them as opposed to creating constitutional laws that have consequences that were before them.”

Why would I not be surprised if 60s!Santorum would be against the 13th and 14th Amendments, Brown vs. Board of Education, and the Civil Rights Act? Other than his previously expressed racism, that is.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/01/santorum-explains-06-loss-still-supports-state-right-to-outlaw-contraception/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
Title: Re: Santorum: Let States Ban Birth Control
Post by: Miles11 on January 04, 2012, 01:09:02 pm
He does realize that states with no birth control and sex education have higher teen pregnancy rates, right?...Right?!

Why is it that none of these people realize that this is genuinely harmful. They repress these teenagers sexually which ends up just making them hornier due to that 'forbidden fruit' element, and then when they have no education on birth control or contraceptives, it can lead to horrible, horrible things.

Things like this scare me.
Title: Re: Santorum: Let States Ban Birth Control
Post by: sandman on January 04, 2012, 02:02:41 pm
Santorum is a Tenther.

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-u3AZhdqKuDA/TqrsiHSL7XI/AAAAAAAAD3c/3z8V9L9I2vw/s1600/stanlee.jpg)
Title: Re: Santorum: Let States Ban Birth Control
Post by: clockworkgirl21 on January 04, 2012, 02:13:50 pm
I get so sick of states' rights bullshit. It potentially gives the most horrible states the right to treat minorities subhuman.
Title: Re: Santorum: Let States Ban Birth Control
Post by: TheUnknown on January 04, 2012, 02:31:25 pm
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Who on Earth wants the Federal Government telling them how to live?

Who on Earth wants a State telling them how to live?  Honestly, I don't fucking get this argument.  Why, why why is being ruled by a state government so much better than being ruled by a federal government?  You're still being ruled over.  The state is not an individual human.  It's a form of government.  You know, government?  The thing you're bitching about?  "Well, it's about the state's right to govern themselves, and what the majority of what their people want."  States can govern themselves, as long as as they don't implement laws discriminating against people or infringing on peoples' rights. 

And then there's the argument of "Well, since the States rule, if someone doesn't like it, they can move to another state."  Yeah, one problem.  Traveling, and especially moving, can be expensive, not to mention disruptive, especially right now.  What if someone is too poor to just pick up and move out of a state that works against them?  Worse yet, and an issue that some people have concerning "state's rights," is when states take cues from eachother and start passing similar laws one by one (anti-abortion bills, for example).  If every state, or a cluster of nearby states, pass the same laws, then people can't just "go to another state."  There's no way a majority of women are going to be able to travel across the country just to get fucking contraception, nor should they.

Going on that, why is it that these people think federal government = corruption and state government = wholesome?  State politicians most likely aren't looking out for you.  They're politicians.  They have the same capacity for corruption as any federal politician.  What, just because it's smaller, state = wise and federal = oppression?  In fact, here's another issue:  Why is it always "state's rights" that's the concern?  What about people's rights?  Oh, I forgot.  These people believe in mob rule, which is why they love the idea of states having all the power. 

Which brings me to my last issue:  I strongly believe that when these people cry about smaller government have absolutely no interest in personal freedom.  They only care about the scope of power their respective states have.  "How dare the feds tell people how to live?  The state should be the one to tell people how to live!  So no birth control, no abortions, no healthcare, and no queers or queer behavior.  Hurray for smaller federal government intruding on peoples' personal lives!"  They want smaller government, not so people have more freedom, but so they can have the pseudo-theocracy that they desire.  I'm pretty sure I posted about this before, because I'm getting deja vu.

Also, for the people who use the same argument except in regards to Federal Government and corporations, my response is pretty much the same, except with economic issues instead of social issues.
Title: Re: Santorum: Let States Ban Birth Control
Post by: clockworkgirl21 on January 04, 2012, 02:36:09 pm
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States can govern themselves, as long as as they don't implement laws discriminating against people or infringing on peoples' rights. 

Pretty much exactly this.
Title: Re: Santorum: Let States Ban Birth Control
Post by: Smilodon on January 04, 2012, 02:45:07 pm
Doesn't he realize that people might do out of clinic abortions instead? Or is he too fundie to admit that?
Title: Re: Santorum: Let States Ban Birth Control
Post by: shykid on January 04, 2012, 03:08:45 pm
It absolutely boggles my mind how the massive irony is lost on some people when the GOP claims to hate "big government" while wanting the government to ban birth control, outlaw abortion, obstruct LGBT equality, make Christianity as the state religion, execute people, etc.
Title: Re: Santorum: Let States Ban Birth Control
Post by: Oriet on January 04, 2012, 04:21:34 pm
Oh, another way he's showing that his worth is far below his namesake's.
Title: Re: Santorum: Let States Ban Birth Control
Post by: sandman on January 04, 2012, 04:27:44 pm
Sometimes it seems that politicians have never even cracked a history book. Prohibition proved definitively that making something illegal does not make go away. Alcohol consumption in the USA did not decrease one iota under Prohibition. In some areas consumption went up. Not to mention the criminalization of alcohol directly leading to the establishment of organized crime. If making something illegal made it go away, we wouldn't be wasting billions of dollars a year fighting an essentially useless "war on drugs," would we?
Title: Re: Santorum: Let States Ban Birth Control
Post by: Jodie on January 04, 2012, 04:39:10 pm
Yes - ban contraceptives. That way there will be a greater demand for the abortions that fundies/Republicans absolutely love and want every woman to have safe and affordable... access... too...

...

Oh wait, guys. I don't think he thought this through very much.
Title: Re: Santorum: Let States Ban Birth Control
Post by: MaybeNever on January 04, 2012, 04:42:13 pm
This is silly. What they need to do is criminalize pregnancy. That'll fix the problem!
Title: Re: Santorum: Let States Ban Birth Control
Post by: ironbite on January 04, 2012, 05:19:14 pm
No no no.  They need to criminalize conception.

Ironbite-that's how you nip the problem in the bud
Title: Re: Santorum: Let States Ban Birth Control
Post by: Osama bin Bambi on January 04, 2012, 05:44:13 pm
That goes against the Constitution, individual rights, and the free market, all in one strike.

No libertarian should vote for this guy.
Title: Re: Santorum: Let States Ban Birth Control
Post by: Vypernight on January 04, 2012, 06:27:18 pm
Yeah, let's have smaller government and more freedom to take away the rights of other citizens.  What a coincidence that I started getting migrains about the same time as the Republican debates.
Title: Re: Santorum: Let States Ban Birth Control
Post by: Osama bin Bambi on January 04, 2012, 06:57:53 pm
Yeah, let's have smaller government and more freedom to take away the rights of other citizens.  What a coincidence that I started getting migrains about the same time as the Republican debates.

Small enough to fit down your pants
Title: Re: Santorum: Let States Ban Birth Control
Post by: Smurfette Principle on January 04, 2012, 09:25:44 pm
And then there's the argument of "Well, since the States rule, if someone doesn't like it, they can move to another state."  Yeah, one problem.  Traveling, and especially moving, can be expensive, not to mention disruptive, especially right now.  What if someone is too poor to just pick up and move out of a state that works against them?  Worse yet, and an issue that some people have concerning "state's rights," is when states take cues from eachother and start passing similar laws one by one (anti-abortion bills, for example).  If every state, or a cluster of nearby states, pass the same laws, then people can't just "go to another state."  There's no way a majority of women are going to be able to travel across the country just to get fucking contraception, nor should they.

You forget that Republicans completely ignore this. I had one girl in my class ask why black people didn't move to escape segregated states. The idea that they were too poor to do so completely baffled her. To them, there is no financial reason not to move, and even if they acknowledge it, well, it's their own fault they're poor, so who cares?
Title: Re: Santorum: Let States Ban Birth Control
Post by: booley on January 04, 2012, 09:36:39 pm
if memory serves, Santorum is reffering to Griswold.

That case established for the first time a right to privacy.  So take it out and you not only effect Roe v Wade but any pro gay ruling as well.

I can see why he hates it.
Title: Re: Santorum: Let States Ban Birth Control
Post by: DasFuchs on January 04, 2012, 11:48:26 pm
I wonder if he realizes states can do that, but because they're all part of a federal system, a federal ruling can cancel out the state's ruling.
Course that would mean the party that shouts "Constitution" all the time really has no use for it besides being a buzz word
Title: Re: Santorum: Let States Ban Birth Control
Post by: DasFuchs on January 04, 2012, 11:54:57 pm
No no no.  They need to criminalize conception.

Ironbite-that's how you nip the problem in the bud
Nah, too hard and not wide spread enough.
Sex should be outlawed.
You get caught with Mr. Happy hangin' out or some girl gets caught displaying the paradise and bam, cuff time
Title: Re: Santorum: Let States Ban Birth Control
Post by: Jodie on January 05, 2012, 03:26:32 am
No no no.  They need to criminalize conception.

Ironbite-that's how you nip the problem in the bud
Nah, too hard and not wide spread enough.
Sex should be outlawed.
You get caught with Mr. Happy hangin' out or some girl gets caught displaying the paradise and bam, cuff time

So no getting naked at all - gotcha. I like showing with my clothes on anyway.
Title: Re: Santorum: Let States Ban Birth Control
Post by: erictheblue on January 05, 2012, 10:42:31 am
if memory serves, Santorum is reffering to Griswold.

That case established for the first time a right to privacy.  So take it out and you not only effect Roe v Wade but any pro gay ruling as well.

Not necessarily. Case law is full of still-valid holdings based on holdings that are no longer valid. He can hope that overturning Griswold will bleed over to other privacy holdings, but it wouldn't be automatic.
Title: Re: Santorum: Let States Ban Birth Control
Post by: Oriet on January 06, 2012, 12:27:51 am
I would ask if he realises that birth control pills are used for a wide variety of things besides preventing impregnation, but I'm pretty sure he just doesn't care.
Title: Re: Santorum: Let States Ban Birth Control
Post by: Lt. Fred on January 06, 2012, 01:40:32 am
Not to mention the criminalization of alcohol directly leading to the establishment of organized crime.

Organised crime existed before prohibition. what is the Klan if not organised crime?

which brings up a point. That's the reason why conservatives like 50 separate governments- at a national level, they're on equal terms, but in a single state they can heavily outnumbers Decent human beings. That explains their similar arguments in the antebellum period, and indeed the Confederacy itself. why coexist with nasty subhuman liberals when you could just create conservatopia and happily oppress gays, blacks, women and the poor to your heart's content?

I had one girl in my class ask why black people didn't move to escape segregated states.

They did move, in their millions. There was a mass migration of African-Americans from the South to the North* between 1850 or so and 1970 or so. But they found a society that was, if anything, more segregated- just less obviously so. Heard of redlining?

* And of whites to California. But that's just because Southern governments are historically shithouse.