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Title: Detroit to shut down half it's power grid
Post by: Her3tiK on May 26, 2012, 04:43:33 pm
Seeing as Detroit is basically abandoned as it is (http://io9.com/5913561/detroit-plans-to-shrink-by-leaving-half-the-city-in-the-dark), the city is planning to cut power to half the grid and consolidate its public services (bus, police, etc.) into the most populated parts of the city that remain.
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In 2010, Bing began a project called Detroit Works, which is examining ways to reorganize and reconfigure Detroit. It seems one part of that reorganization is encouraging residents and businesses in more sparsely populated areas into more populated areas by reducing the number of streetlights from 88,000 to 46,000. That will leave 713,000 residents in the dark in an area larger than Boston, Buffalo, and San Francisco combined.

Twenty Detroit neighborhoods are only 10 to 15 percent occupied, and the government can't force residents to leave their homes, and Michigan law makes it difficult for the government to seize them under eminent domain. So the government is instead "phasing out" these neighborhoods by turning off their streetlights; or, in many cases, just leaving them off. (Forty percent of Detroit's streetlights are currently broken.) Bing hopes the cash-strapped city can focus its bus and police services on the still-lit, more population-concentrated areas of the city.
I'm torn on what to think on this issue. On one hand, it's really dickish to cut power to half the city and not help relocate the affected population. On the other, Detroit's been going downhill for a while now, and this kind of cost cutting would need to happen eventually.

Personally, I think this is an opportunity. Imagine what could be done with a city that needs a major infrastructure overhaul and revitalization. Get the right people interested, and Detroit strikes me as a great place to develop and test new technologies. Sustainable energy, cheap & efficient building techniques, thousands of jobs in construction, engineering, and all the things that go in to developing and (re)building a city from the ground up. As long as nobody wants the land, it's going to be dirt cheap for any interested party to buy up and get started on such a project.
And yes, I realize all that's a bit of a pipe dream, but the possibilities here seem endless with the right drive and ambition.
Title: Re: Detroit to shut down half it's power grid
Post by: RavynousHunter on May 26, 2012, 04:49:00 pm
I can't help but think of RoboCop 3 and Delta City after reading that.  Just don't let OCP take the reins, okay?
Title: Re: Detroit to shut down half it's power grid
Post by: MadCatTLX on May 26, 2012, 07:16:05 pm
Detroit must be an urban explorers paradise.
Title: Re: Detroit to shut down half it's power grid
Post by: Thejebusfire on May 26, 2012, 07:22:32 pm
It might help if we kept manufacturing jobs here in American instead of sending them to China.

Title: Re: Detroit to shut down half it's power grid
Post by: Art Vandelay on May 26, 2012, 08:03:48 pm
It sucks that people living in the more sparsely populated neighbourhoods will be cut off from so many services. That said, there's simply nothing else that can be done about it (at least in the short term). Hopefully Detroit will rise again at some point in the next decade.
Title: Re: Detroit to shut down half it's power grid
Post by: RavynousHunter on May 26, 2012, 08:11:54 pm
Detroit will rise again!
Title: Re: Detroit to shut down half it's power grid
Post by: Fpqxz on May 26, 2012, 08:13:44 pm
It might help if we kept manufacturing jobs here in American instead of sending them to China.

Detroit would be a prime candidate for some sort of urban redevelopment program.  But our government is content to let Detroit and other cities rot because OMG DEFICIT SPENDING, even though they don't seem to mind deficit spending on war and the ever-expanding prison state--both of which have a much lower rate of return on investment (usually, a negative return).

Yeah, that makes sense.
Title: Re: Detroit to shut down half it's power grid
Post by: largeham on May 26, 2012, 08:19:43 pm
It might help if we kept manufacturing jobs here in American instead of sending them to China.

Detroit would be a prime candidate for some sort of urban redevelopment program.  But our government is content to let Detroit and other cities rot because OMG DEFICIT SPENDING, even though they don't seem to mind deficit spending on war and the ever-expanding prison state--both of which have a much lower rate of return on investment (usually, a negative return).

Yeah, that makes sense.

Non-productive production always gets priority.
Title: Re: Detroit to shut down half it's power grid
Post by: Morgenleoht on May 26, 2012, 08:25:13 pm
...What the fuck?

I'm... speechless. Couldn't they at least offer incentives for people to move closer to the city or something?
Title: Re: Detroit to shut down half it's power grid
Post by: ThunderWulf on May 26, 2012, 09:37:01 pm
Detroit must be an urban explorers paradise.

No kidding.
Title: Re: Detroit to shut down half it's power grid
Post by: Art Vandelay on May 26, 2012, 09:40:05 pm
Detroit will rise again!
Yee-haw.
Title: Re: Detroit to shut down half it's power grid
Post by: MadCatTLX on May 26, 2012, 10:01:59 pm
Detroit will rise again!

Looking at all that has happened in recent years, I think we actually have a better chance of the confederacy rising again. I bet Arizona will be leading it this time.
Title: Re: Detroit to shut down half it's power grid
Post by: Fpqxz on May 26, 2012, 10:13:20 pm
It might help if we kept manufacturing jobs here in American instead of sending them to China.

Detroit would be a prime candidate for some sort of urban redevelopment program.  But our government is content to let Detroit and other cities rot because OMG DEFICIT SPENDING, even though they don't seem to mind deficit spending on war and the ever-expanding prison state--both of which have a much lower rate of return on investment (usually, a negative return).

Yeah, that makes sense.

Non-productive production always gets priority.

It pisses me off that there is so much that we could be doing in the USA to revitalize the economy, reduce urban decay, and advance alternative energy...and we just don't do it.

Politicians will tell you that the solutions are too expensive and that we can't afford more debt.  What they don't tell you is that we are already in debt and that if we maintain the status quo, nothing will get better and the situation will continue to deteriorate.

Which means that we may as well spend more on public works, urban development, and scientific research.  Doing nothing will get us nothing.
Title: Re: Detroit to shut down half it's power grid
Post by: Thejebusfire on May 26, 2012, 11:52:55 pm
Detroit must be an urban explorers paradise.

It is:
http://www.forgottendetroit.com/index.html
Title: Re: Detroit to shut down half it's power grid
Post by: nickiknack on May 27, 2012, 12:42:31 am
Detroit must be an urban explorers paradise.

And that would extend to the surrounding areas, as well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3tH2jFaFW4

warning don't read the comments, because there are a lot of rage worthy ones.
Title: Re: Detroit to shut down half it's power grid
Post by: Thejebusfire on May 27, 2012, 01:20:01 am
Detroit must be an urban explorers paradise.

And that would extend to the surrounding areas, as well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3tH2jFaFW4

warning don't read the comments, because there are a lot of rage worthy ones.
I DO WHAT I WANT!!
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A democrat utopia and the spoils that remain from unions and liberals ! Whup...there it is !

(http://catnipsandwhiskers.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/facepalm.jpg)

Title: Re: Detroit to shut down half it's power grid
Post by: DasFuchs on May 27, 2012, 11:20:30 am
Detroit must be an urban explorers paradise.

And that would extend to the surrounding areas, as well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3tH2jFaFW4

warning don't read the comments, because there are a lot of rage worthy ones.
I DO WHAT I WANT!!
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A democrat utopia and the spoils that remain from unions and liberals ! Whup...there it is !

(http://catnipsandwhiskers.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/facepalm.jpg)



Yeah, killing the manufacturing sector had nothing to do with it, it was all unions.
Title: Re: Detroit to shut down half it's power grid
Post by: N. De Plume on May 27, 2012, 12:30:26 pm
Silly, don’t you know it was the unions having the gall to ask for fair pay and working conditions that killed the manufacturing sector? ::)
Title: Re: Detroit to shut down half it's power grid
Post by: nickiknack on May 27, 2012, 07:28:49 pm
Detroit must be an urban explorers paradise.

And that would extend to the surrounding areas, as well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3tH2jFaFW4

warning don't read the comments, because there are a lot of rage worthy ones.
I DO WHAT I WANT!!
Quote
A democrat utopia and the spoils that remain from unions and liberals ! Whup...there it is !

(http://catnipsandwhiskers.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/facepalm.jpg)

That's not that bad given that I've see a whole lot worse blaming teh blacks, and teh welfare people
Title: Re: Detroit to shut down half it's power grid
Post by: kefkaownsall on May 27, 2012, 07:36:55 pm
Shame the state cant help with moving.  I mean who needs electricity to live am I right?  Just kidding
Title: Re: Detroit to shut down half it's power grid
Post by: N. De Plume on May 27, 2012, 08:10:54 pm
Damn freeloaders. Livin’ it up with their fancy refrigerators.
Title: Re: Detroit to shut down half it's power grid
Post by: Lt. Fred on May 27, 2012, 11:32:18 pm
Why can't they even use the right word for the party? It's DemocratIC, dumbshits. Has been since 1780.
Title: Re: Detroit to shut down half it's power grid
Post by: tempus on May 28, 2012, 04:31:29 am
Detroit must be an urban explorers paradise.

And that would extend to the surrounding areas, as well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3tH2jFaFW4

warning don't read the comments, because there are a lot of rage worthy ones.
I DO WHAT I WANT!!
Quote
A democrat utopia and the spoils that remain from unions and liberals ! Whup...there it is !

(http://catnipsandwhiskers.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/facepalm.jpg)

That's not that bad given that I've see a whole lot worse blaming teh blacks, and teh welfare people

Obviously the problem is high taxes for corporations and the rich.  We should cut taxes immediately. That should fix it.

/the answer is ALWAYS cut taxes. 
Title: Re: Detroit to shut down half it's power grid
Post by: Flutters on May 28, 2012, 06:03:37 am
So this is my first post here~  Lemme try to make it a solid one~

I'm a traveler, wanderer and I have a close friend who once said, "You're Che if he grew up in America in the 60s."  In the summer of 2004, my travels led me to two cities in Michigan:  Greenville and Manistee~  While these are not particularly close to Detroit, Flint or any of the industrial capitals of the state (on the other side of the state, in fact), I quickly learned a few things about how one corporation changed not just one metropolitan area, but a whole state~

In Greenville, I spent much time chatting with a lady who ran the local Habitat for Humanity branch~  She said that she had many family members who worked for General Motors~  She said that Greenville had suffered horribly due to the move to Tijuana~  I was a bit taken aback and asked her how this move affected areas outside of Flint and Detroit~  She said that Michigan was essentially owned by General Motors and the whole state was completely dependent on them~

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPNmHPjkxdk

Anypony who has seen this film knows what GM's truckin' to Tijuana did to Flint~  Imagine this happening in every other city in Michigan also~  My mind was reeling after the talks I had with this lady~

Fast forward to a city between Manistee and Greenville; somewhere on a highway between the two~  I volunteered at a nursing home and went to a local McDonald's for lunch between my shift times~  There, I met a young lady (couldn't have been a day over 26-27 years old) and she was a custodian.  She told me how she once worked for GM~  She told me that she had two kids~  She told me that she had been working at McDonald's since the exodus from Flint with three other part-time positions and still couldn't even afford a babysitter...~  She told me that just about every person I would meet in her current line of work (custodians, fast food employees, burger-flippers, cashiers, etcetera) were in the same boat as her...~

I came home from Michigan with an appreciation for a state full of hurting yet resilient people and an amazing amount of power to look at the impossible in the eye--after it kicks them to the ground--and get right back up to stand up to it~

This thread brings all these memories back~  To talk about shutting down parts of power grids due to lack of occupants...I dunno what to make of this, either~  It is my hope that whatever the powers that be do here, they will do it with the happiness and the benefit of the people of Detroit and Michigan kept in mind~  I would be most concerned if the powers that be were privately owned, but the article is vague, only stating that "Detroit Works" is the name of the org~  Orgs can get money from many places and since this is America, I wouldn't be surprised if they got some private money...~  This is a precarious situation, indeed...~

I see some ponies chatting about alternative energy~  I agree, it would be wonderful to use alternative energy; it really needs more research and much more implementation~  Sadly, in our current capitalist system this all costs massive amounts of money~  Michigan doesn't have much money anymore 'cos GM and they have to find some way to consolidate what they do have while keeping the balance with the people~

It would behoove us to watch and see where this goes~
Title: Re: Detroit to shut down half it's power grid
Post by: tempus on May 28, 2012, 06:27:59 am
So this is my first post here~  Lemme try to make it a solid one~

I'm a traveler, wanderer and I have a close friend who once said, "You're Che if he grew up in America in the 60s."  In the summer of 2004, my travels led me to two cities in Michigan:  Greenville and Manistee~  While these are not particularly close to Detroit, Flint or any of the industrial capitals of the state (on the other side of the state, in fact), I quickly learned a few things about how one corporation changed not just one metropolitan area, but a whole state~

In Greenville, I spent much time chatting with a lady who ran the local Habitat for Humanity branch~  She said that she had many family members who worked for General Motors~  She said that Greenville had suffered horribly due to the move to Tijuana~  I was a bit taken aback and asked her how this move affected areas outside of Flint and Detroit~  She said that Michigan was essentially owned by General Motors and the whole state was completely dependent on them~

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPNmHPjkxdk

Anypony who has seen this film knows what GM's truckin' to Tijuana did to Flint~  Imagine this happening in every other city in Michigan also~  My mind was reeling after the talks I had with this lady~

Fast forward to a city between Manistee and Greenville; somewhere on a highway between the two~  I volunteered at a nursing home and went to a local McDonald's for lunch between my shift times~  There, I met a young lady (couldn't have been a day over 26-27 years old) and she was a custodian.  She told me how she once worked for GM~  She told me that she had two kids~  She told me that she had been working at McDonald's since the exodus from Flint with three other part-time positions and still couldn't even afford a babysitter...~  She told me that just about every person I would meet in her current line of work (custodians, fast food employees, burger-flippers, cashiers, etcetera) were in the same boat as her...~

I came home from Michigan with an appreciation for a state full of hurting yet resilient people and an amazing amount of power to look at the impossible in the eye--after it kicks them to the ground--and get right back up to stand up to it~

This thread brings all these memories back~  To talk about shutting down parts of power grids due to lack of occupants...I dunno what to make of this, either~  It is my hope that whatever the powers that be do here, they will do it with the happiness and the benefit of the people of Detroit and Michigan kept in mind~  I would be most concerned if the powers that be were privately owned, but the article is vague, only stating that "Detroit Works" is the name of the org~  Orgs can get money from many places and since this is America, I wouldn't be surprised if they got some private money...~  This is a precarious situation, indeed...~

I see some ponies chatting about alternative energy~  I agree, it would be wonderful to use alternative energy; it really needs more research and much more implementation~  Sadly, in our current capitalist system this all costs massive amounts of money~  Michigan doesn't have much money anymore 'cos GM and they have to find some way to consolidate what they do have while keeping the balance with the people~

It would behoove us to watch and see where this goes~

Consider yourself Fuck Yeah'd.  Also:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4ahEitkU-Y

Pinkie Pie is fuckken metal. 
Title: Re: Detroit to shut down half it's power grid
Post by: kefkaownsall on May 28, 2012, 10:13:34 am
So this is my first post here~  Lemme try to make it a solid one~

I'm a traveler, wanderer and I have a close friend who once said, "You're Che if he grew up in America in the 60s."  In the summer of 2004, my travels led me to two cities in Michigan:  Greenville and Manistee~  While these are not particularly close to Detroit, Flint or any of the industrial capitals of the state (on the other side of the state, in fact), I quickly learned a few things about how one corporation changed not just one metropolitan area, but a whole state~

In Greenville, I spent much time chatting with a lady who ran the local Habitat for Humanity branch~  She said that she had many family members who worked for General Motors~  She said that Greenville had suffered horribly due to the move to Tijuana~  I was a bit taken aback and asked her how this move affected areas outside of Flint and Detroit~  She said that Michigan was essentially owned by General Motors and the whole state was completely dependent on them~

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPNmHPjkxdk

Anypony who has seen this film knows what GM's truckin' to Tijuana did to Flint~  Imagine this happening in every other city in Michigan also~  My mind was reeling after the talks I had with this lady~

Fast forward to a city between Manistee and Greenville; somewhere on a highway between the two~  I volunteered at a nursing home and went to a local McDonald's for lunch between my shift times~  There, I met a young lady (couldn't have been a day over 26-27 years old) and she was a custodian.  She told me how she once worked for GM~  She told me that she had two kids~  She told me that she had been working at McDonald's since the exodus from Flint with three other part-time positions and still couldn't even afford a babysitter...~  She told me that just about every person I would meet in her current line of work (custodians, fast food employees, burger-flippers, cashiers, etcetera) were in the same boat as her...~

I came home from Michigan with an appreciation for a state full of hurting yet resilient people and an amazing amount of power to look at the impossible in the eye--after it kicks them to the ground--and get right back up to stand up to it~

This thread brings all these memories back~  To talk about shutting down parts of power grids due to lack of occupants...I dunno what to make of this, either~  It is my hope that whatever the powers that be do here, they will do it with the happiness and the benefit of the people of Detroit and Michigan kept in mind~  I would be most concerned if the powers that be were privately owned, but the article is vague, only stating that "Detroit Works" is the name of the org~  Orgs can get money from many places and since this is America, I wouldn't be surprised if they got some private money...~  This is a precarious situation, indeed...~

I see some ponies chatting about alternative energy~  I agree, it would be wonderful to use alternative energy; it really needs more research and much more implementation~  Sadly, in our current capitalist system this all costs massive amounts of money~  Michigan doesn't have much money anymore 'cos GM and they have to find some way to consolidate what they do have while keeping the balance with the people~

It would behoove us to watch and see where this goes~
That is awesome brohoof
Title: Re: Detroit to shut down half it's power grid
Post by: Cerim Treascair on May 28, 2012, 12:15:33 pm
Hiya, newbie.  There's a pony thread in the Entertainment and Television board, if you'd like to join us, and an impressive first post.  Well done.
Title: Re: Detroit to shut down half it's power grid
Post by: DasFuchs on May 28, 2012, 06:18:57 pm
Yeah, I've been saying it for years, Michigan set the Big 3 as their financial backbone and had no plan should the car market ever change.


On a sort of positive note, Vlasic is staying in Michigan. We won the plant competition, though the plant in Milsboro, Delaware is now going to close by year's end.
Honestly if Vlasic left, the whole Lapeer and surrounding areas would be fucked