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Title: Prayer death decision upheld
Post by: wrightway on July 03, 2013, 05:17:43 pm

http://news.yahoo.com/court-upholds-parents-convictions-prayer-death-123307685.html

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A mother and father who prayed instead of seeking medical help as their daughter died were properly convicted of homicide, the Wisconsin Supreme Court ruled Wednesday in a decision that dramatically limits legal immunity for parents who turn to God rather than science to heal their children.

The decision marks the first time a Wisconsin court has addressed criminal culpability in a prayer treatment case where a child died. The court ruled 6-1 that the state's immunity provisions for prayer treatment parents protect them from child abuse charges but nothing else, opening the door to a host of other counts.

Honestly, I wonder if there should be any exemption. Especially for parents who were afraid pedialyte would detract from god's glory.

Title: Re: Prayer death decision upheld
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on July 03, 2013, 05:50:50 pm

Woo! Wait, no, this is a ruling against woo. Hooray! Seriously, this is a kneecapping of faith healers.

Title: Re: Prayer death decision upheld
Post by: anti-nonsense on July 03, 2013, 05:54:39 pm

fuck yeah!

Title: Re: Prayer death decision upheld
Post by: mellenORL on July 03, 2013, 08:05:22 pm

Yeah, that decision keeps future fundie psychos from getting away with killing their kids during demon exorcism...with a knife. Which has happened a few too fucking many times of late. 'Cause exorcism is faith healing, too.

Title: Re: Prayer death decision upheld
Post by: Witchyjoshy on July 03, 2013, 08:33:37 pm

To be honest I know fundies who hate these types of fundies, and have even come up with jokes mocking the idea of leaving everything purely to faith.

(click to show/hide)

During a massive flood, a man waits on the roof of his house.  He prays to God, "Please, save me from this mess!".  A raft floats by, and the man on it tells him to get on.  "No, I'm waiting for God to rescue me" the man says.  A boat goes by, and the same thing happens, with the same response.  Finally, a ship passes by and the man rejects it again.  He dies.  When he goes to heaven, he confronts God and asks, "Why didn't you save me?"

God replies "I sent you a raft, a boat, and a ship, what more did you want!?"

Title: Re: Prayer death decision upheld
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on July 03, 2013, 08:34:57 pm

Quote from: Magus Silveresti on July 03, 2013, 08:33:37 pm

To be honest I know fundies who hate these types of fundies, and have even come up with jokes mocking the idea of leaving everything purely to faith.

(click to show/hide)

During a massive flood, a man waits on the roof of his house.  He prays to God, "Please, save me from this mess!".  A raft floats by, and the man on it tells him to get on.  "No, I'm waiting for God to rescue me" the man says.  A boat goes by, and the same thing happens, with the same response.  Finally, a ship passes by and the man rejects it again.  He dies.  When he goes to heaven, he confronts God and asks, "Why didn't you save me?"

God replies "I sent you a raft, a boat, and a ship, what more did you want!?"

Huh. That was actually pretty funny.

Title: Re: Prayer death decision upheld
Post by: Witchyjoshy on July 03, 2013, 08:36:30 pm

I know, right? :D

Title: Re: Prayer death decision upheld
Post by: Sleepy on July 03, 2013, 10:13:18 pm

Thank fudge. I really wonder if you have to be mentally ill to believe a god is going to resurrect your dead child. And to believe that giving your child certain substances would "take the glory away from God."

Title: Re: Prayer death decision upheld
Post by: ThunderWulf on July 03, 2013, 10:36:31 pm

Yay.  Hopefully this will make people think twice about not bringing their kids to get proper medical attention.

Title: Re: Prayer death decision upheld
Post by: MadmanJohnson on July 03, 2013, 10:44:42 pm

YAY!Well, We're happy again.

Title: Re: Prayer death decision upheld
Post by: wrightway on July 03, 2013, 10:47:09 pm

Quote from: mellenORL on July 03, 2013, 08:05:22 pm

Yeah, that decision keeps future fundie psychos from getting away with killing their kids during demon exorcism...with a knife. Which has happened a few too fucking many times of late. 'Cause exorcism is faith healing, too.

I'm afraid to ask, but how many exorcisms are done on average?

Title: Re: Prayer death decision upheld
Post by: anti-nonsense on July 03, 2013, 10:47:34 pm

Quote from: Sleepy on July 03, 2013, 10:13:18 pm

Thank fudge. I really wonder if you have to be mentally ill to believe a god is going to resurrect your dead child. And to believe that giving your child certain substances would "take the glory away from God."

I don't think it even makes sense based on standard Christian theology, didn't God create the chemicals in the medicines?

Title: Re: Prayer death decision upheld
Post by: Alehksunos on July 03, 2013, 10:51:21 pm

I'm just going leave this here:

My mother is a biblical literalist and believes every scripture of the Bible as god's word and there was even a Bible study conducted in my home today, and even she thinks this sort of stuff is bullshit.

Title: Re: Prayer death decision upheld
Post by: SpaceProg on July 04, 2013, 12:45:12 am

Quote from: Magus Silveresti on July 03, 2013, 08:33:37 pm

To be honest I know fundies who hate these types of fundies, and have even come up with jokes mocking the idea of leaving everything purely to faith.

(click to show/hide)

During a massive flood, a man waits on the roof of his house.  He prays to God, "Please, save me from this mess!".  A raft floats by, and the man on it tells him to get on.  "No, I'm waiting for God to rescue me" the man says.  A boat goes by, and the same thing happens, with the same response.  Finally, a ship passes by and the man rejects it again.  He dies.  When he goes to heaven, he confronts God and asks, "Why didn't you save me?"

God replies "I sent you a raft, a boat, and a ship, what more did you want!?"

The version of that tale I'm familiar with is called "Two Boats and a Helicopter".  Other than that, the message is exactly the same.  One of my faves.

Who is to say that there HAS to be a giant hand coming down and plucking you from whatever predicament you're in?

Title: Re: Prayer death decision upheld
Post by: R. U. Sirius on July 04, 2013, 12:54:13 am

Quote from: SpaceProg on July 04, 2013, 12:45:12 am

Quote from: Magus Silveresti on July 03, 2013, 08:33:37 pm

To be honest I know fundies who hate these types of fundies, and have even come up with jokes mocking the idea of leaving everything purely to faith.

(click to show/hide)

During a massive flood, a man waits on the roof of his house.  He prays to God, "Please, save me from this mess!".  A raft floats by, and the man on it tells him to get on.  "No, I'm waiting for God to rescue me" the man says.  A boat goes by, and the same thing happens, with the same response.  Finally, a ship passes by and the man rejects it again.  He dies.  When he goes to heaven, he confronts God and asks, "Why didn't you save me?"

God replies "I sent you a raft, a boat, and a ship, what more did you want!?"

The version of that tale I'm familiar with is called "Two Boats and a Helicopter".  Other than that, the message is exactly the same.  One of my faves.

Who is to say that there HAS to be a giant hand coming down and plucking you from whatever predicament you're in?

The same people who want God to stomp on the people they don't like a la Monty Python.

Title: Re: Prayer death decision upheld
Post by: SpaceProg on July 04, 2013, 01:30:36 am

Quote from: R. U. Sirius on July 04, 2013, 12:54:13 am

Quote from: SpaceProg on July 04, 2013, 12:45:12 am

Quote from: Magus Silveresti on July 03, 2013, 08:33:37 pm

To be honest I know fundies who hate these types of fundies, and have even come up with jokes mocking the idea of leaving everything purely to faith.

(click to show/hide)

During a massive flood, a man waits on the roof of his house.  He prays to God, "Please, save me from this mess!".  A raft floats by, and the man on it tells him to get on.  "No, I'm waiting for God to rescue me" the man says.  A boat goes by, and the same thing happens, with the same response.  Finally, a ship passes by and the man rejects it again.  He dies.  When he goes to heaven, he confronts God and asks, "Why didn't you save me?"

God replies "I sent you a raft, a boat, and a ship, what more did you want!?"

The version of that tale I'm familiar with is called "Two Boats and a Helicopter".  Other than that, the message is exactly the same.  One of my faves.

Who is to say that there HAS to be a giant hand coming down and plucking you from whatever predicament you're in?

The same people who want God to stomp on the people they don't like a la Monty Python.

Well, I hate to tell them, the God I believe in ain't gonna do that.

Title: Re: Prayer death decision upheld
Post by: Barbarella on July 05, 2013, 10:06:42 am

Quote from: Magus Silveresti on July 03, 2013, 08:33:37 pm

To be honest I know fundies who hate these types of fundies, and have even come up with jokes mocking the idea of leaving everything purely to faith.

(click to show/hide)

During a massive flood, a man waits on the roof of his house.  He prays to God, "Please, save me from this mess!".  A raft floats by, and the man on it tells him to get on.  "No, I'm waiting for God to rescue me" the man says.  A boat goes by, and the same thing happens, with the same response.  Finally, a ship passes by and the man rejects it again.  He dies.  When he goes to heaven, he confronts God and asks, "Why didn't you save me?"

God replies "I sent you a raft, a boat, and a ship, what more did you want!?"

I love that joke! A CLASSIC!

And to folks with sick loved ones....prayer is something you do IN ADDITION to science & doctors!

Quote from: R. U. Sirius on July 04, 2013, 12:54:13 am

Quote from: SpaceProg on July 04, 2013, 12:45:12 am

Quote from: Magus Silveresti on July 03, 2013, 08:33:37 pm

To be honest I know fundies who hate these types of fundies, and have even come up with jokes mocking the idea of leaving everything purely to faith.

(click to show/hide)

During a massive flood, a man waits on the roof of his house.  He prays to God, "Please, save me from this mess!".  A raft floats by, and the man on it tells him to get on.  "No, I'm waiting for God to rescue me" the man says.  A boat goes by, and the same thing happens, with the same response.  Finally, a ship passes by and the man rejects it again.  He dies.  When he goes to heaven, he confronts God and asks, "Why didn't you save me?"

God replies "I sent you a raft, a boat, and a ship, what more did you want!?"

The version of that tale I'm familiar with is called "Two Boats and a Helicopter".  Other than that, the message is exactly the same.  One of my faves.

Who is to say that there HAS to be a giant hand coming down and plucking you from whatever predicament you're in?

The same people who want God to stomp on the people they don't like a la Monty Python.

...Complete with DUM DA DA DA DA DA DAA DAAAA DAAAAA *PBBHHT*!