I take my leave

[Eniliad]

I really don't see why everyone is abandoning ship?? I see a little change in the forum, that's it, nothing major.

Not everyone, just a few people who are having trouble seeing the forest for the trees.

[The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist]

I think it's more a matter of different people having different desires for what they want in a community. I'm sad to see so many people leaving, of course, and I hope that they'll reconsider their decision, but I don't judge them for going if they no longer find it enjoyable to be here.

[Servo]

Such a shame a lot of members are leaving the community. I may have joined FSTDT much later compared to the majority of the userbase, and I may have missed most of the drama, but I'm still rather saddened to see such fine members leaving.

[RavynousHunter]

A mod, admin, and two members leaving is jarring, to be sure...but its no reason to abandon the forum.  Things are a bit madhouse in certain places, and with certain people, but it'll come back under control soon enough...

I don't think the departures are because of the recent drama, exactly. I think that explosion was more reflective of deeper issues or conflicts that would have had to come to a head sooner or later. It didn't have to be in that exact manner, but it did make these departures much more noticeable. Mira, Bezron, and others say that they had been considering leaving for some time. This was just the proverbial straw.

True that...true that...

[Shane for Wax]

All I will say to those leaving. If they wish to return, they are welcome to, I'm sure.

[ironbite]

I really don't see why everyone is abandoning ship?? I see a little change in the forum, that's it, nothing major.

Not everyone, just a few people who are having trouble seeing the forest for the trees.

Really?  You're gonna use that tone in terms of people who have been here for years?  Really?  Really?

Ironbite-wow.

ETA:  Again I'm not trying to fan flames here but I really take umbrage to someone who's been on here for weeks saying something like that to people who have/had been here for years.  That's all.

[clockworkgirl21]

I'm sad to see people are wanting to leave, but if they want to, they should. Forums should be places you feel like you can enjoy spending time in. Life is full of experiences that you have to just go through time and time again, talk to people you don't like, over and over. An internet forum shouldn't be one of them. I hope everyone who has left feels like they can come back someday, but if being here is really that miserable, don't stay, because it isn't worth your sanity.

[SCarpelan]

Ironbite, please let the matter be. Yes, Eniliad shouldn't have used that tone but you are just helping him to keep the drama alive. Can't both of you just let it go?

[m52nickerson]

Forums change over time.  This forum has changed quite a bit from when I first started.  It use to be fairly self regulating.  That however ended when some people decided to bring issues with others from one thread to another.  So we got more active Mods. 

Since then, at little fault of the mods or admins , there has been less and less real discussion of issues and topics.  If a person does not share the same outlook as most other posters they are jumped on, looked at as the new forum chew toy.

It is no one persons fault, it is everyone’s.

[sandman]

I really don't see why everyone is abandoning ship?? I see a little change in the forum, that's it, nothing major.

Not everyone, just a few people who are having trouble seeing the forest for the trees.

Really?  You're gonna use that tone in terms of people who have been here for years?  Really?  Really?

Ironbite-wow.

ETA:  Again I'm not trying to fan flames here but I really take umbrage to someone who's been on here for weeks saying something like that to people who have/had been here for years.  That's all.

IB? You know me. You know that I don't fly off all half-cocked on the boards, so realize that when I say this. Just because you have been here longer does not make you any more relevant or insightful than someone newer. I will not have FSTDT turn into one of those boards where old-time members routinely "pull rank" on newbies and tell them that they may not have an opinion or make a statement because of their relative newness. There are more than a few grains of truth in what Eniliad said, and you don't get to pull a "Really?" out of your ass just because you believe you have some kind of seniority here.

On FSTDT, all voices are valued, not just those who have been around longest. I know that it has not always been like that, but this is what we are building.

[Distind]

ETA:  Again I'm not trying to fan flames here but I really take umbrage to someone who's been on here for weeks saying something like that to people who have/had been here for years.  That's all.

Just because I happen to have the kerosene on hand.

From my review of everything the majority of this particular shit fit was because of people who had been here for quite some time(Though that Heil line Eniliad made was funny to me, it certainly didn't help). How long you've been somewhere doesn't have much to do with how right you are. A lot like how being a mod doesn't make you infallible.

I'm honestly pretty tried of the seniority and herd mentalities that have cropped around here, those are largely the reasons I handed the forums off to Nap. So odds are I'll be kicking over a few stones as things come to mind just to get some actual discussion happening around here, rather than the herd charging into the angrydome once more. I invite others to do so as well, just remember the difference between actual issue and personal attack.

[Mira]

I really don't see why everyone is abandoning ship?? I see a little change in the forum, that's it, nothing major.

Not everyone, just a few people who are having trouble seeing the forest for the trees.

You've only been posting here for about three weeks, Eniliad. It's hard to really have much perspective on this unless you've been around for a bit.

Not trying to pull the seniority card or anything, just saying that you probably don't have the most insightful perspective on this.

[GLaDOS]

I really don't see why everyone is abandoning ship?? I see a little change in the forum, that's it, nothing major.

Not everyone, just a few people who are having trouble seeing the forest for the trees.

You've only been posting here for about three weeks, Eniliad. It's hard to really have much perspective on this unless you've been around for a bit.

Did you even read Sandman's post?

Not trying to pull the seniority card or anything

meaning the opposite.
Oh, I also notice that he has 442 posts, and you have 98...

[Mira]

Yes, I did read Sandman's post.

I do not, however, think that someone who has been around for less than a month can make any remark regarding whether the forums have changed.

[GLaDOS]

Yes, I did read Sandman's post.

I do not, however, think that someone who has been around for less than a month can make any remark regarding whether the forums have changed.

It depends on how rapidly they're changing, which, I think most people will agree, was very rapid lately.