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Re: On Fuck You Threads
« Reply #15 on: February 06, 2012, 08:26:52 pm »
F&B is to keep the drama outside of the normal forum. It offers a place to vent and get it all out without disturbing/derailing threads. There will always be drama, I'd rather have it in one area and not jam up the main sections. I would not take the events of last night and consider it the norm, especially considering your short(er) stint (comparatively) with fstdt, WW. I'm not trying to dismiss you on time spent here, only pointing out you may not know of the many prior issues taken to F&B.

Believe it or not, F&B has also calmed angry users down, that doesn't mean everyone agreed with each other in the end, but they also didn't generally hold a grudge or follow the "arguee" around the rest of the forum. Yes we get exceptions, yes they get banned, but that's near impossible to prevent regardless of rules.

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There should be some level of logic to these. "You're an asshole" is something no one can argue effectively. Instead, the thread should be devoted to giving reasons for a position that is arguable. But that doesn't mean you need to forego insults entirely. A good example would be, "You back-pedaled here, here, & here; justified slavery here, & told me to go die here, which is a violation of Da Rules. You asshole.

This seems to have been lost in translation in the move. Or it slowly happened starting on the proboard and then to the new board. I'm not really sure. Agreeing with the need for some logical basis for the heated thread, but F&B should still serve the purpose of a venting area as you said, not foregoing insults entirely.
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Re: On Fuck You Threads
« Reply #16 on: February 06, 2012, 08:29:42 pm »
I kind of like the users flaming each other stuff in F&B. I always assumed that's why it was there. I like that we have a whole section to keep that kind of crap from the other threads. Let's face it, the issues that we discuss here tend to generate feelings that run the entire spectrum and sometimes the discussions can get heated. And I like that we have our own trash can to dump the off shooting stuff in. Of course, we as a group could probably do a better job doing that.

Edit: Ninja'd. When personal attacks are being made, F&B is a pretty good place for them. Without knowing how it's done, I'm sure it can't be too hard for one of our mods to kick whatever to a separate thread. Or even better, make a separate thread after a PM from a mod/jr. mod/regular poster.
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Re: On Fuck You Threads
« Reply #17 on: February 06, 2012, 09:27:09 pm »
Hell, if the LHM thread and the Vene thread were destroyed the second they popped up, the flame war would not have continued to this point. As for the original threads they spun off of, well, the mods can simply delete the derails and order everyone back on topic, no?

The flame wars may have been stopped but they would have just resurfaced later and/or taken over the other threads in the main part of the forum.

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Re: On Fuck You Threads
« Reply #18 on: February 06, 2012, 09:36:25 pm »
Yeah, I'm going to have to go with the "F&B flame threads are a necessary evil" side on this one.
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Re: On Fuck You Threads
« Reply #19 on: February 07, 2012, 12:40:35 am »
Yeah, I'm going to have to go with the "F&B flame threads are a necessary evil" side on this one.

I agree with this. F&B is there for a reason, and I think there'd be too much unresolved crap that has a high probability of appearing in other threads.
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Re: On Fuck You Threads
« Reply #20 on: February 07, 2012, 12:49:28 am »
Hell, in the two years I've been here, I've seen countless flame threads come and go, and only a handful have resulted in drama blowouts (most of which weren't on the same scale as the recent unpleasantness). For a smallish forum which routinely handles controversial subjects and thrives on debate, I'd say that's a pretty good track record.

I dislike flame wars, but I'd rather that people had a place to vent their frustrations and sort their shit out in the open than have an endless cycle of people bottling things up until they explode in a massive drama bomb.
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Re: On Fuck You Threads
« Reply #21 on: February 07, 2012, 01:48:47 pm »
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Hell, in the two years I've been here, I've seen countless flame threads come and go, and only a handful have resulted in drama blowouts

Thank you, this is exactly what I was going to say to counter Wykked's point. Most user flame threads don't go anywhere particularly bad. In fact, most just degenerate into LOLCats after a while. And of the ones that DO get ugly, more often than not, the only thing that happens is that someone who had it coming gets a warning or a ban.

And the guidelines I proposed are based off of observations of the threads that "work."

Now, you might THINK that getting rid of F&B will get rid of drama. However, there are hundreds of boards without any F&B section, which DO function on a no-flaming policy. Does it get rid of drama? Hell no. It arguably makes it worse, & you DEFINITELY end up with more moderator action. On most forums, I can get a warning for going, "Fuck, that's stupid." And after two or three warnings, I'd get banned. I don't think that's a good alternative.

Like any experimental section, there are frequent debates as to whether or not F&B should be eliminated. But I think Rookie said it best:

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And I like that we have our own trash can to dump the off shooting stuff in. Of course, we as a group could probably do a better job doing that.