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Re: First Viking Temple in 1,000 Years is Coming to Iceland
« Reply #15 on: February 20, 2015, 12:42:27 pm »
The last thing the world needs is more religion.

What we want in this thread is a neopagan circlejerk, not silly things like facts.

Yes, because anti-theism is all about facts, and not a cover for yet more reactionary bullshit.  The exact same kind of reactionary bullshit you find in Fundamentalist Christianity, but don't point that out, because its inconvenient.

We get it, you don't like religion.  Stop beatin the horse because its long since dead.  You aren't gonna convert us to your glorious, trilby-wearing ways.

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Re: First Viking Temple in 1,000 Years is Coming to Iceland
« Reply #16 on: February 20, 2015, 01:03:58 pm »
The last thing the world needs is more religion.

What we want in this thread is a neopagan circlejerk, not silly things like facts.

Yes, because anti-theism is all about facts, and not a cover for yet more reactionary bullshit.  The exact same kind of reactionary bullshit you find in Fundamentalist Christianity, but don't point that out, because its inconvenient.

We get it, you don't like religion.  Stop beatin the horse because its long since dead.  You aren't gonna convert us to your glorious, trilby-wearing ways.

How do you get from anti-theism, which is just one belief, to "reactionary bullshit"? Does any criticism of religion really offend you that much?
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Re: First Viking Temple in 1,000 Years is Coming to Iceland
« Reply #17 on: February 20, 2015, 02:02:27 pm »
The last thing the world needs is more religion.

What we want in this thread is a neopagan circlejerk, not silly things like facts.

Yes, because anti-theism is all about facts, and not a cover for yet more reactionary bullshit.  The exact same kind of reactionary bullshit you find in Fundamentalist Christianity, but don't point that out, because its inconvenient.

We get it, you don't like religion.  Stop beatin the horse because its long since dead.  You aren't gonna convert us to your glorious, trilby-wearing ways.

How do you get from anti-theism, which is just one belief, to "reactionary bullshit"? Does any criticism of religion really offend you that much?

Strictly speaking, Art didn't "critizise" religion. He just complained about the mere existence of religions without providing any reason as to why religions are bad (and didn't specify that things like religious extremism, or just certain religions would be bad, that was a complaint about any religion existing.)
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Re: First Viking Temple in 1,000 Years is Coming to Iceland
« Reply #18 on: February 20, 2015, 06:29:08 pm »
The last thing the world needs is more religion.

What we want in this thread is a neopagan circlejerk, not silly things like facts.

Yes, because anti-theism is all about facts, and not a cover for yet more reactionary bullshit.  The exact same kind of reactionary bullshit you find in Fundamentalist Christianity, but don't point that out, because its inconvenient.

We get it, you don't like religion.  Stop beatin the horse because its long since dead.  You aren't gonna convert us to your glorious, trilby-wearing ways.

How do you get from anti-theism, which is just one belief, to "reactionary bullshit"? Does any criticism of religion really offend you that much?

Strictly speaking, Art didn't "critizise" religion. He just complained about the mere existence of religions without providing any reason as to why religions are bad (and didn't specify that things like religious extremism, or just certain religions would be bad, that was a complaint about any religion existing.)

For starters, religion is based on blind faith in fantastical nonsense. Legitimising that way of thinking is most certainly a bad thing. Any shitty behavior from individuals or certain religions is just the cherry on top.

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Re: First Viking Temple in 1,000 Years is Coming to Iceland
« Reply #19 on: February 20, 2015, 08:35:38 pm »
The last thing the world needs is more religion.

What we want in this thread is a neopagan circlejerk, not silly things like facts.

Yes, because anti-theism is all about facts, and not a cover for yet more reactionary bullshit.  The exact same kind of reactionary bullshit you find in Fundamentalist Christianity, but don't point that out, because its inconvenient.

We get it, you don't like religion.  Stop beatin the horse because its long since dead.  You aren't gonna convert us to your glorious, trilby-wearing ways.

How do you get from anti-theism, which is just one belief, to "reactionary bullshit"? Does any criticism of religion really offend you that much?

Strictly speaking, Art didn't "critizise" religion. He just complained about the mere existence of religions without providing any reason as to why religions are bad (and didn't specify that things like religious extremism, or just certain religions would be bad, that was a complaint about any religion existing.)

For starters, religion is based on blind faith in fantastical nonsense. Legitimising that way of thinking is most certainly a bad thing. Any shitty behavior from individuals or certain religions is just the cherry on top.

Well, why are you so concerned about other people's private lives?

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Re: First Viking Temple in 1,000 Years is Coming to Iceland
« Reply #20 on: February 20, 2015, 09:28:41 pm »
Well, why are you so concerned about other people's private lives?
I said religion itself is an inherently bad thing. Not that I can or should control what what people think.

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Re: First Viking Temple in 1,000 Years is Coming to Iceland
« Reply #21 on: February 22, 2015, 12:00:00 am »
The last thing the world needs is more religion.

What we want in this thread is a neopagan circlejerk, not silly things like facts.

Yes, because anti-theism is all about facts, and not a cover for yet more reactionary bullshit.  The exact same kind of reactionary bullshit you find in Fundamentalist Christianity, but don't point that out, because its inconvenient.

We get it, you don't like religion.  Stop beatin the horse because its long since dead.  You aren't gonna convert us to your glorious, trilby-wearing ways.

How do you get from anti-theism, which is just one belief, to "reactionary bullshit"? Does any criticism of religion really offend you that much?

Strictly speaking, Art didn't "critizise" religion. He just complained about the mere existence of religions without providing any reason as to why religions are bad (and didn't specify that things like religious extremism, or just certain religions would be bad, that was a complaint about any religion existing.)

For starters, religion is based on blind faith in fantastical nonsense. Legitimising that way of thinking is most certainly a bad thing. Any shitty behavior from individuals or certain religions is just the cherry on top.

Well, why are you so concerned about other people's private lives?


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Re: First Viking Temple in 1,000 Years is Coming to Iceland
« Reply #22 on: February 22, 2015, 12:45:24 am »
Because Art Vandelay is a trolling, contrarian turkey-head!

YO! ARTIE! I'M A SHAKTAPAGAN AND PROUD OF IT! B'WAHAHAHAAAAA!!!!!

....and Ultimate Paragon is a sane, normal Christian!
Yeah, let's just say you certainly strike me as the type who'd be into that sort of thing. Being the resident new age fundie is kind of what you're known for around here.
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Re: First Viking Temple in 1,000 Years is Coming to Iceland
« Reply #23 on: February 22, 2015, 02:17:59 am »
One of my old acquaintances can actually trace her heritage back to Leif Erikson himself.  And she's fucking proud of her bloodline.  I don't see any harm in this.
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Re: First Viking Temple in 1,000 Years is Coming to Iceland
« Reply #24 on: February 22, 2015, 02:26:44 am »
OK while I have no trouble with a viking temple, and it sounds kind of cool, Neo Paganism is bullshit. It's not a re-boot of an ancient religion  because quite simply we don't know enough about that particular type of religious observance. Quite frankly neo-paganism is bullshit making it up as it goes along. It is however mostly harmless bullshit, although I have my reservations about how good it is for people who already have mental health issues and am concerned about some of the xenophobia and racist hostility that can be present in neopagan bullshit. To the extent that it is people dressing up funny and pretending to be druids, vikings or whatever else, enjoy your fancy dress crackers.

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Re: First Viking Temple in 1,000 Years is Coming to Iceland
« Reply #25 on: February 22, 2015, 10:50:12 am »
OK while I have no trouble with a viking temple, and it sounds kind of cool, Neo Paganism is bullshit. It's not a re-boot of an ancient religion  because quite simply we don't know enough about that particular type of religious observance. Quite frankly neo-paganism is bullshit making it up as it goes along. It is however mostly harmless bullshit, although I have my reservations about how good it is for people who already have mental health issues and am concerned about some of the xenophobia and racist hostility that can be present in neopagan bullshit. To the extent that it is people dressing up funny and pretending to be druids, vikings or whatever else, enjoy your fancy dress crackers.

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Actually, Asatru is a example of mesopaganism. We know a good deal about Norse religion, as opposed to the wholly cut out of whole cloth Wicca.

It's like battlefield reenactment in a way, hence my use of the word "farb" to refer to Neo-Nazi believers of Asatru.
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Re: First Viking Temple in 1,000 Years is Coming to Iceland
« Reply #26 on: February 22, 2015, 12:34:26 pm »
One of my old acquaintances can actually trace her heritage back to Leif Erikson himself.  And she's fucking proud of her bloodline.  I don't see any harm in this.
Leif was actually a Christian.  ;)


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Re: First Viking Temple in 1,000 Years is Coming to Iceland
« Reply #27 on: February 22, 2015, 03:31:32 pm »
OK while I have no trouble with a viking temple, and it sounds kind of cool, Neo Paganism is bullshit. It's not a re-boot of an ancient religion  because quite simply we don't know enough about that particular type of religious observance. Quite frankly neo-paganism is bullshit making it up as it goes along. It is however mostly harmless bullshit, although I have my reservations about how good it is for people who already have mental health issues and am concerned about some of the xenophobia and racist hostility that can be present in neopagan bullshit. To the extent that it is people dressing up funny and pretending to be druids, vikings or whatever else, enjoy your fancy dress crackers.

Isn't "bullshit" strong a word?


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Well personally, I don't like Anti-Theism bullshit. Atheism in general is fine but anti-theism is bullshit!

You see, sweetie. Only FRUMMER religion is bullshit. Normal spirituality that's not frummy, including Paganism, is NOT bullshit.

When you call my faith or U.P's faith BULLSHIT, you're putting us in the same category as freaks like Daesh, WBC, Scott Lively, Haredis, etc.

So some people are spiritual and that's an affront to your existence! It doesn't matter if that spiritual person is perfectly sane, free, open, liberal, pro-science, pro-reason & loathes religious fanaticism as much as you do! No! They're all backwards delusional idiots who belong in the Bronze Age! Well, TOO BAD...SO SAAAAD! We exist and we're you're ALLIES! We're in this together, man!

Yes, it is good to critique religions & I have no problem with Atheists & the Skeptical. BUT "TOSS THE BABY OUT WITH THE BATHWATER" ANTI-THEISTS DRIVE ME CRAY-CRAY!

When folks call my spirituality "bullshit", I don't like it. You can say that you personally find it nonsensical, fine. But when you repeatedly insult it you insult me as a person. I don't care how "cool" you think Penn & Teller is! I don't care if "Bullshit" is the "cool new term to call all spirituality"....I think ANTI-Theism is as much BULLSHIT as Religious Frummerism!

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Re: First Viking Temple in 1,000 Years is Coming to Iceland
« Reply #28 on: February 22, 2015, 03:40:51 pm »
OK while I have no trouble with a viking temple, and it sounds kind of cool, Neo Paganism is bullshit. It's not a re-boot of an ancient religion  because quite simply we don't know enough about that particular type of religious observance. Quite frankly neo-paganism is bullshit making it up as it goes along. It is however mostly harmless bullshit, although I have my reservations about how good it is for people who already have mental health issues and am concerned about some of the xenophobia and racist hostility that can be present in neopagan bullshit. To the extent that it is people dressing up funny and pretending to be druids, vikings or whatever else, enjoy your fancy dress crackers.

Isn't "bullshit" strong a word?


To davedan, Art Vandelay and other "All Religious/Spiritual Belief Is EVIL!" assclowns;

Well personally, I don't like Anti-Theism bullshit. Atheism in general is fine but anti-theism is bullshit!

You see, sweetie. Only FRUMMER religion is bullshit. Normal spirituality that's not frummy, including Paganism, is NOT bullshit.

When you call my faith or U.P's faith BULLSHIT, you're putting us in the same category as freaks like Daesh, WBC, Scott Lively, Haredis, etc.

So some people are spiritual and that's an affront to your existence! It doesn't matter if that spiritual person is perfectly sane, free, open, liberal, pro-science, pro-reason & loathes religious fanaticism as much as you do! No! They're all backwards delusional idiots who belong in the Bronze Age! Well, TOO BAD...SO SAAAAD! We exist and we're you're ALLIES! We're in this together, man!

Yes, it is good to critique religions & I have no problem with Atheists & the Skeptical. BUT "TOSS THE BABY OUT WITH THE BATHWATER" ANTI-THEISTS DRIVE ME CRAY-CRAY!

When folks call my spirituality "bullshit", I don't like it. You can say that you personally find it nonsensical, fine. But when you repeatedly insult it you insult me as a person. I don't care how "cool" you think Penn & Teller is! I don't care if "Bullshit" is the "cool new term to call all spirituality"....I think ANTI-Theism is as much BULLSHIT as Religious Frummerism!

Pretty much this.  I honestly couldn't give less of a fuck if somebody's an atheist, but I find even milder forms of anti-theism to be intellectually dishonest and closed-minded.  Moreover, when you get right down to it, they're really not all that different from the religious fanatics they rail against.

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Re: First Viking Temple in 1,000 Years is Coming to Iceland
« Reply #29 on: February 22, 2015, 04:01:14 pm »
Hi, anti-theist here. Can't speak for Art, dave, etc, but then they don't need me to.

When I call all spirituality bullshit, I'm saying this: it's a statement about the world that isn't true. Gentle, cuddly, progressive spirituality is typically preferable to the alternative, but it's still not true, and that matters a great deal.

It's not an attack on you. I have plenty of respect for a lot of people who are vaguely spiritual or passionately religious. Everyone has false beliefs. I have false beliefs, I just don't know what they are.

Nevertheless, people make decisions based on their beliefs, and wrong beliefs lead to harmful decisions. So yeah, if I think you are wrong on something I will say so*. I can respect the areas where we are allies while still disagreeing elsewhere.


UP: I'm more than happy to discuss why you think I'm close-minded, intellectually dishonest and similar to a religious fanatic. Want me to start a thread on it?

*Contextually dependent, of course. Talking with my Catholic grandmother over dinner is not the same as a discussion forum where criticism of religion is more or less expected.
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