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Title: Doctor Who General
Post by: Dakota Bob on August 29, 2013, 06:28:44 pm
The last Doctor Who thread was about its recent portrayal of women so I thought I'd make a thread about general discussion of the series and the leadup to the 50th anniversary special.

I know there are some fans of the 8th Doctor here, so I figure this will be appreciated.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56h_JuBZ9_0
I think the original storyline for the film had potential to be interesting, but then again one of the best features of the character is the mystery of his backstory and I don't like the idea of the Master being a relative of the Doctors. It is a shame that McGann didn't get longer to flesh out the 8th Doctor on film, thank fuck for the audio plays.
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: SpaceProg on August 29, 2013, 07:13:34 pm
Paul McGann was great as the Doctor.  It's a real pity they couldn't have taken up the DW rebirth with 8 played by McGann instead of 9.  Though, I wouldn't have changed who played 9.

I wonder if they'll ever have McGann in the show at all aside from TVM "Flashback" clips.  I hope someday, if and when they try to flesh out what happened to the Doctor in the Time War.
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Dakota Bob on August 30, 2013, 06:02:24 am
If McGann makes an appearence in the 50th special, I'll be a happy man.

Since I only got into the show several years ago, I haven't managed to watch all of the classic episodes yet. My mothers favorite doctor was Sylvester McCoy so I decided to go through all of his first. His first series was pretty awful, but damn did the quality pick up after that. Remembrance of the Daleks, Curse of Fenric, Ghost Light...I even enjoyed The Happiness Patrol, even with the Kandyman "villain"
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: SpaceProg on August 30, 2013, 12:50:09 pm
The Happiness Patrol was one of those eps that was very symbolic and metaphorical for its time.  It also works as a cautionary tale.  I found it interesting that the one person who was so into enforcing happiness was the one at the end crying her eyes out over her dead pet.  I actually felt for her at that time.  Helen-A meant well (happiness IS good), she just went crazy with it (enforcing it on pain of death). Then she ended up finding that she had sadness in her as much as anyone.

One of the examples of a non black and white DW villain.
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Dakota Bob on August 30, 2013, 07:07:02 pm
Yeah, I figured the episode was anti-Thatcher satire, but to be honest it was as subtle as a brick. It still worked but I think it would have been better if they wrote it more low key. The real stand out scene in that episode was when the Doctor confronted the sniper, great performance by McCoy.
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: SpaceProg on August 30, 2013, 10:08:25 pm
Oh yeah.  The "End my life" bit.  Yeah... Classic DW sure did have its moments.
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on August 31, 2013, 08:57:03 am
Yeah, I figured the episode was anti-Thatcher satire, but to be honest it was as subtle as a brick. It still worked but I think it would have been better if they wrote it more low key. The real stand out scene in that episode was when the Doctor confronted the sniper, great performance by McCoy.
I have a feeling that if it was subtle, nobody would get it. People tend to be dim.
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: SpaceProg on August 31, 2013, 10:31:17 am
Yeah... I hate to agree, but...

Like the old saying,  "A person is smart.  People are stupid".
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Dakota Bob on August 31, 2013, 05:04:24 pm
Yeah, I can certainly believe that.

Here's a question, what do you think the worst episode of Doctor Who is? for me its easily "Love and Monsters",  I just can't stand to watch it any more. I especially hate the Abzorbaloff, and the ending (The Doctor decides to rescue that one woman by letting her live the rest of her life as a floor tile? oh, and that blowjob joke at the end, ugh)
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: SpaceProg on August 31, 2013, 05:21:10 pm
Yeah, I think it's my least fave too.  I don't bother watching it when it comes on.  I barely watched it when I saw it the first time, hehe.
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Patches on August 31, 2013, 05:51:26 pm
"Love and Monsters" had its decent moments, like examining Jackie's feelings towards Rose's relationship with the Doctor, and describing how the Doctor can indirectly inspire normal people to gain the motivation to better themselves (a theme I really appreciated that has been disappointingly lacking as of late).  Buuuut other than that, yeah, it was a pretty terrible episode.

Another one that's difficult for me to sit through is "The Doctor, the Widow, and the Wardrobe".  The guest characters are all mind-numbingly dull, and the repeated theme spanning the entire episode of "You're going to have to work up the courage to tell the children their father died and help them get through it" is completely nullified at the end with "lol j/k, we stopped him from dying in the first place, so n/m".  That episode's only saving grace was the final two minutes where the Doctor reunites with the Ponds.
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: SpaceProg on August 31, 2013, 10:14:12 pm
I thought Androzani Major was pretty though.  What with the glowing snowy trees.   Kind of a nice blast to the past considering Androzani Minor (a desert planet, as opposed to snowy) was the final destination for the 5th Doctor.
I don't really expect much from the 'special' type eps though.  It's nice when they deliver more, but I go in expecting fluff.
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Dakota Bob on September 01, 2013, 02:33:33 pm
While I loved the cinematography of "The Doctor, the Widow, and the Wardrobe", one thing I don't think Moffat does well is writing these Christmas specials, and that episode was a victim of that. It just didn't capture my attention.

Watching an episode of the Sixth Doctors run, "Revelation of the Daleks". Goddamn is this episode creepy. The "Glass Dalek" scene is especially haunting. The only big problem I have with it is that the Daleks have a higher pitch than normal.
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: SpaceProg on September 01, 2013, 02:40:52 pm
It was that particular episode which inspired a change in the Audio Dramas for the 6th Doctor into a blue themed wardrobe.    True there's not that much impact unless you imagine it, though.  Hehe.
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Dakota Bob on September 01, 2013, 03:08:44 pm
Although what I can't stand about the early Sixth Doctor stories is the way he treats Peri. I hear he was supposed to soften in later series, but since he only got 2 he doesn't get that and just remains douchebaggy. I haven't heard any of his audio stories but I hope he got some real character development.
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: SpaceProg on September 01, 2013, 05:14:56 pm
Oh yes, most definitely.  Colin Baker was allowed to play the Doctor how he originally wanted to.  He's still a tad arrogant in the audios (what Doctor isn't, at least to some extent?), but nowhere near douchebaggy.  6 also gets a story with the Brigadier, which he never got on the TV show.  I recommend the Audios from all the Docs really.  They're some good stuff. 
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Shane for Wax on September 01, 2013, 06:50:40 pm
I really wish there was more material with 9. Chris Eccleston's acting in the Dalek episode was superb.

(http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m7k6flxluI1qgz9tno2_250.gif)(http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m7k6flxluI1qgz9tno3_250.gif)
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Dat acting.
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Thejebusfire on September 01, 2013, 07:24:59 pm
It is a shame that McGann didn't get longer to flesh out the 8th Doctor on film, thank fuck for the audio plays.

There was also a series of eighth Doctor comics that ran in the late 90's early 2000's. Comic Eight was quite wacky:

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/c8856de4b590024e2ccac640a323e211/tumblr_mo9plhQcaH1r33veco1_400.jpg) (http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mdvihqECKX1r5s4n9o1_500.jpg)

Spoiler because this one may not be work safe:
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Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Dakota Bob on September 02, 2013, 04:43:33 am
Ha, the question mark underwear is a great touch.

I've only heard a bunch of the new 8th doctor audio plays, anybody got any suggestions for the other Doctors?
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: SpaceProg on September 02, 2013, 01:35:59 pm
Most of my suggestions are going to be earlier in the Audio's run as I've not managed to listen to the later ones.  I don't have the money to get them very often.

Sirens of Time is a good Three-Doctor sampler.  It's also the first Big Finish DW audio.
Phantasmagoria and Winter for the Adept for the 5th Doctor.
Spectre of Lanyon Moor, the 6th Doc Story with the Brigadier.  Whispers of Terror, a 6th Doc story perfect for audio.
Fearmonger is a pretty good 7th Doc tale.
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Thejebusfire on September 02, 2013, 02:45:43 pm
When I was looking for those comics yesterday, I stumbled upon this:

(http://24.media.tumblr.com/5a0d28b4d515872ec89c5de6533e13ec/tumblr_msh087hvwd1r33veco1_500.jpg)

Forever laughing at four's face.
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: SpaceProg on September 02, 2013, 03:39:58 pm
Yeah... Five's fallen for a lot of traps... I think sometimes his brain falls out of his open face.

Still love 'im though.
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Dakota Bob on September 02, 2013, 04:14:08 pm
Okay, I literally just finished watching the first part of "Dragonfire" and I just saw the worst Doctor Who cliffhanger of all time. The doctor looks over a railing overlooking a massive chasm, and then FOR NO REASON, climbed over and started hanging off the bars, then he realizes he just fucked up and now he's hanging by his umbrella, cue credits. must have been a lazy day in the Writers Room.
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Dr. Weird on September 02, 2013, 04:22:39 pm
When I was looking for those comics yesterday, I stumbled upon this:

(http://24.media.tumblr.com/5a0d28b4d515872ec89c5de6533e13ec/tumblr_msh087hvwd1r33veco1_500.jpg)

Forever laughing at four's face.

Is that by Roger Langridge?  Langridge drew IDW's Doctor Who: Prisoners of Time #8, starring the McGann Doctor, which just came out last week--which is why the Eighth Doctor's look in that picture jumped out at me.  I didn't even know he was a former DW artist until reading the commentary at the end of the issue; I just knew he'd worked on a lot of Boom's all-ages titles in recent years.

I recommend Prisoners of Time, by the way.  Great nostalgia rushes; even though every issue is by the same writing team, they do a good job of giving each story the respective Doctor's different "feel", and the artists are often ones associated with that Doctor's run in Doctor Who Magazine (such as Langridge).
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: SpaceProg on September 02, 2013, 04:43:55 pm
Okay, I literally just finished watching the first part of "Dragonfire" and I just saw the worst Doctor Who cliffhanger of all time. The doctor looks over a railing overlooking a massive chasm, and then FOR NO REASON, climbed over and started hanging off the bars, then he realizes he just fucked up and now he's hanging by his umbrella, cue credits. must have been a lazy day in the Writers Room.

That one suffered from some bad editing to make it run in the time allotted.  There was supposed to be a drop to another level of the cave below the Doctor that he was trying to get down to.  Unfortunately, the way it was cut, it looked as if he just did it for no reason and was just hanging there like a fool.  The cliffhanger was sort of just slapped on at the end for brevity.

Source: Sylvester McCoy in Doctor Who Monthly back in ye olden times of the late 80s.
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Thejebusfire on September 02, 2013, 04:45:48 pm
Yes it is. It's supposed to be funny which is why they're all ridiculously drawn.

The best part (for me) was four and seven's conversation about food allergies:

(http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii295/jqpublique/HappyDeathday004.jpg)

I'd love to see Langridge do another comedy work like this but with the "new" doctors included.

I have most of the Prisoners in Time comics. I'd like to get eight's, but since there are no comic book stores in my new college town (that I'm aware of anyway) it'll have to wait.
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: SpaceProg on September 02, 2013, 07:56:03 pm
LOL That allergies bit is great.  Them allergies can do some weird stuff.   Smelling the color blue.  :D
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Shane for Wax on September 02, 2013, 08:00:02 pm
Rewatching 9 and 10 and wow, they are really throwing Torchwood and Bad Wolf everywhere they can. They seem so proud of those words.
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: SpaceProg on September 02, 2013, 08:04:46 pm
Yeah.  They had them a nice Whedonesque arc going.  Though they kinda tried too hard to make it obvious. :p
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Shane for Wax on September 02, 2013, 10:20:39 pm
Just a tad...

Also I need to track down some episodes with The Master from classic who. Hrmph...
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: SpaceProg on September 02, 2013, 10:50:13 pm
There's several versions.  I've got a soft spot for the Anthony Ainley Master... mostly because I saw him the most during my childhood.  His version of the Master can be kinda hammy at times, but ... well... hey, he's insane. 

Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Shane for Wax on September 02, 2013, 10:57:59 pm
I know. But any of them would be fine with me because I tend to feel very sad for the Master even without woobifying him. Netflix didn't have any episodes with the Master in them. They seemed to conveniently miss uploading them.
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: SpaceProg on September 03, 2013, 01:42:53 am
Yeah.  I feel bad for him too.  Looking back at Classic DW with the knowledge of how the Master eventually turned out, and what made him the way he is (even if it probably wasn't even thought of having that particular reason for his insanity back then), I view him less as a stereotypical mustache-twirling villain.
It puts a different spin on The Five Doctors, when you think of what the Time Lords did to him.  Blissfully ignorant, he was.
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Dakota Bob on September 03, 2013, 01:50:17 pm
My favorite Master was always Anthony Ainley, he didn't always get the best scripts but I have a weakness for "hammy" acting and he always went all in when playing the Master.

Also, found this video of old bloopers
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OcNOVDIjX24

EDIT: watching Ghost Light again, it was a shame it didn't get 4 episodes to fully flesh out the plot, but it's still one of my favorite serials in the history of the show, definitely a high note for the last classic season.
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Dakota Bob on September 07, 2013, 05:28:36 pm
A Public Service Announcement, there is a series of free Big Finish audios to download from here (https://soundcloud.com/big-finish/sets/complete-free-big-finish) (warning, audio autoplays when you click the link)
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Shane for Wax on September 08, 2013, 01:59:52 pm
Ever since I wrote it up, I've been waffling linking people to a fic I made starring the Doctor (10) and the Master.

Be kind? (http://thelonestarkwolf.tumblr.com/post/60434212116/brother-my-brother)

If you aren't intimately aware of the childhoods and early adulthoods of either Time Lord most of this will seem like I made it all up when it comes to their names for each other and various parts of their time in knowing each other.
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on September 08, 2013, 03:30:22 pm
Ever since I wrote it up, I've been waffling linking people to a fic I made starring the Doctor (10) and the Master.

Be kind? (http://thelonestarkwolf.tumblr.com/post/60434212116/brother-my-brother)

If you aren't intimately aware of the childhoods and early adulthoods of either Time Lord most of this will seem like I made it all up when it comes to their names for each other and various parts of their time in knowing each other.
I love it. Tis amazingly fantastic.
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Thejebusfire on September 08, 2013, 04:16:41 pm
Wanted to share these really awesome time war GIFs from here. (http://timewarcomic.tumblr.com/post/35752601640/hello-doctor-i-trust-youve-been-enjoying-your)

(http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mdieeg3N0a1r0os28.gif)
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Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: TheL on September 08, 2013, 05:18:07 pm
I will never be able to watch "The Empty Child/The Doctor Dances" before bed.  Just.  Can't.  Do it.

Are you my mummy?
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: SpaceProg on September 08, 2013, 05:22:35 pm
Hmm... I found Midnight and Blink to be creepier (actually most of the Weeping Angels eps), but I guess your scary mileage will vary, of course.
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Dakota Bob on September 08, 2013, 05:41:56 pm
I will never be able to watch "The Empty Child/The Doctor Dances" before bed.  Just.  Can't.  Do it.

Are you my mummy?

Love that episode, probably my favorite of all of Moffats stuff. Blink is my second favorite, it's a shame Moffat started to needlessly complicate the Weeping Angels in Series 5.

Ever since I wrote it up, I've been waffling linking people to a fic I made starring the Doctor (10) and the Master.

Be kind? (http://thelonestarkwolf.tumblr.com/post/60434212116/brother-my-brother)

If you aren't intimately aware of the childhoods and early adulthoods of either Time Lord most of this will seem like I made it all up when it comes to their names for each other and various parts of their time in knowing each other.

Well, it certainly isn't awful!  ;)

Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Thejebusfire on September 08, 2013, 06:36:33 pm
Hmm... I found Midnight and Blink to be creepier (actually most of the Weeping Angels eps), but I guess your scary mileage will vary, of course.

Blink is only creepy if you watch The Doctor's recording by itself.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Opy5DleJfOY
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Patches on September 08, 2013, 09:24:30 pm
My friend wanted to go back and re-watch all of NuWho since we started watching it together in S7, and she'd missed a couple episodes from previous seasons.  So, we've just started over again with "Rose" and have watched the first couple episodes of Nine's run.

God, I'd almost forgotten there was a time when companions were actual human beings instead of plot devices only worth keeping around because there's some "mystery" attached to them.  I remember being kind of "meh" about the first half of S1 when I first saw it, but after three years of Moffat's brand of empty expository storytelling, I've come to appreciate the earlier episodes much more.
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Søren on September 09, 2013, 02:34:57 am
Oh midnight was such a freaky episode. I loved it
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Dakota Bob on September 09, 2013, 06:47:58 am
My friend wanted to go back and re-watch all of NuWho since we started watching it together in S7, and she'd missed a couple episodes from previous seasons.  So, we've just started over again with "Rose" and have watched the first couple episodes of Nine's run.

God, I'd almost forgotten there was a time when companions were actual human beings instead of plot devices only worth keeping around because there's some "mystery" attached to them.  I remember being kind of "meh" about the first half of S1 when I first saw it, but after three years of Moffat's brand of empty expository storytelling, I've come to appreciate the earlier episodes much more.

Weird, with the exception of Donna I thought the companions from the RTD era were pretty poorly written. I'll agree that Clara has proved to be pretty underwhelming so far and the whole "Impossible Girl" aspect was pretty unnecessary but I'll take Amy and Rory over Rose any day.

But then again, none can compare to god-tier companion Ace.
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Shane for Wax on September 09, 2013, 05:38:16 pm

Ever since I wrote it up, I've been waffling linking people to a fic I made starring the Doctor (10) and the Master.

Be kind? (http://thelonestarkwolf.tumblr.com/post/60434212116/brother-my-brother)

If you aren't intimately aware of the childhoods and early adulthoods of either Time Lord most of this will seem like I made it all up when it comes to their names for each other and various parts of their time in knowing each other.

Well, it certainly isn't awful!  ;)



I'm not sure what that means. It can mean anything...

As for scary episodes mine are Blink and Midnight. But emotionally trying goes to Turn Left and of course Journey's End.

As for companions right now mine go in order of Donna, Martha, Sarah Jane Smith (got her own spin-off that one), and Ace tied with Wilf for top 4. Being almost all women is totally inconsequential considering the Doctor's choices of companions.
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Dakota Bob on September 09, 2013, 07:56:02 pm
Meant it as more of a positive and less of a negative :P I'll be honest though, it's not exactly the kind of fanfic I would normally read, but it was written bretty good.
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Shane for Wax on September 09, 2013, 08:01:52 pm
Heh. I normally don't write brotp. Usually it's very much romantic otp. I mainly wrote it to torture a friend of mine. lmfao
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: TheL on September 10, 2013, 10:57:10 am
Hmm... I found Midnight and Blink to be creepier (actually most of the Weeping Angels eps), but I guess your scary mileage will vary, of course.

For me, it's the body horror.  Watching the scars appear on people and their faces turn into gas masks is insanely creepy.
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: SpaceProg on September 10, 2013, 12:09:08 pm
Understandable.  Mine is anticipating things you can't see, but know they're coming.   Also... things that you have to see to keep them away from you.

It's hard to describe. 
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Patches on September 10, 2013, 07:00:24 pm
I find "Midnight" to be the scariest episode since it's the one that most closely matches my greatest personal fear of being permanently mentally damaged or altered in such a way that I'm aware that I used to know certain things, but can't mentally function at that level anymore.  Like a perpetual brain fart. 

Most of the time mind takeovers in the media are played like in "Nightmare in Silver" where you have two personalities battling with each other for control, but stuff like "Midnight" is infinitely creepier where the takeover is a gradual process where you're not even aware of your "self" being replaced until it's pretty much already gone, and by that point there isn't enough "self" left to even know what to do.  "The God Complex" also played on the idea of gradually manipulating a person's mental state, but didn't do it quite as effectively.

I wrote a Ten/Donna-era short story a year or so ago called Mind Heist (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/8405121/1/Mind_Heist) that dealt with that same "losing one's mind" theme, based on the prompt of "What kind of monster would scare the Doctor the most?"
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Dakota Bob on September 10, 2013, 07:03:54 pm
It's time to get hype, 50th anniversary poster revealed!

(click to show/hide)

Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on September 10, 2013, 09:54:22 pm
Those Daleks are some of the worst CGI ever.
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: SpaceProg on September 10, 2013, 10:48:57 pm
They're not the best, but I still like the poster muchly.  Good to see both Ten and Eleven on it.  ... And whatever number John Hurt's Doctor is (If he even really is/will be/was the Doctor)
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Patches on September 11, 2013, 06:34:53 am
I appreciate the "Bad Wolf" graffiti in the lower left corner, though.  :D

Although, I am hoping this is just regular S2 Ten and Rose rather than giving Pete's World Rose another ridiculous timey-wimey excuse to come back again.  Ten's hair looks a bit more like he wore it in S2 (it got progressively spikier as the seasons progressed), but I don't know how anal about continuity they're being, so I won't read too much into it.
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Shane for Wax on September 11, 2013, 02:42:24 pm
I had an odd thought about John Hurt being 8 revisited but that's just silly.

With that said, 8 is the only Doctor I haven't seen because of whatever reason (money/availability).

I also rewatched all of 9 and 10 and stopped on 11. I have my hangups about 11 we've all read about so I won't repeat them. But I may give it the ol' college try especially without my ex babbling on about 11.

Most important woman in all of creation kinda beats Bad Wolf. If not in emotionally trying stuff but in just how cool it is. The parallel world didn't rewrite itself around Rose, now did it? :P
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Dakota Bob on September 11, 2013, 05:33:53 pm
Just saw Logopolis for the first time, what a fantastic way for the 4th doctor to go out. I loved the concept and it kept me interested from beginning to end. Also had one of the creepier scenes in the history of the show, where the TARDIS materializes around a police box so the Doctor can take measurements. but it turns out it's another TARDIS, when they go inside the lights are dark, and the Cloister Bell rings in the background. and there is another TARDIS inside that one. I hope 11th can get an exit as good as this.

Also, I'm waiting for a DVD boxset including the TV movie, so if anybody wants to watch the 8th doctor, I could livestream it on my justin.tv account for all y'all.
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: SpaceProg on September 11, 2013, 05:56:17 pm
Logopolis is indeed a goody.  You know the "Watcher" is based on an ancient bit of folklore about some strange entity that follows you around portending your eventual death?

The best 'Swan song' of the classic series I think is Caves of Androzani (Davison really got to shine in that one).  Went out not saving the world, universe, or time... but one person.

EDIT: Oh, and I think it's awesome they kept the cloister bell and its sound for the 'new' series.  That sound just screams "Oh... Crap."
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Shane for Wax on September 12, 2013, 08:06:57 am
(http://31.media.tumblr.com/1773c577a2182fcf790540d5593fc158/tumblr_msorwxQ2Un1rex8qqo1_500.png)

And I looked upon the answer to Martha hate and thought it... good. /John Simm's the Master
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Thejebusfire on September 12, 2013, 12:27:32 pm
I'd love to see McGann in the 50th. There are rumors going both ways, so I guess we'll just have to wait and see.
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Dakota Bob on September 12, 2013, 07:46:50 pm
You and me both, but they haven't announced anything. here's hoping it's just a well kept secret.
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: SpaceProg on September 12, 2013, 09:26:08 pm
I hope for Eight to appear too.  Could really help tie the classic series with the new one... as if it wasn't tied quite tightly already, I know.  Still the more ties the merrier. :D
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Patches on September 12, 2013, 10:09:56 pm
(http://31.media.tumblr.com/1773c577a2182fcf790540d5593fc158/tumblr_msorwxQ2Un1rex8qqo1_500.png)

And I looked upon the answer to Martha hate and thought it... good. /John Simm's the Master
I'd actually have to ask that same question of Amy.  What did Amy ever do?

Difficulty: Of her own initiative.  What did Amy accomplish that was due to "Amy had an independent idea and acted on it" rather than merely acting as an extension of someone else's will?  An act that was not due to the Doctor telling her "Listen closely and do exactly as I say" ("The Eleventh Hour", "Time of the Angels", "The God Complex"), the Doctor planting a suggestion in her head ("The Big Bang"), or going along with whatever Rory was doing ("Angels Take Manhattan")?  She took it upon herself to wax poetic in "The Beast Below" and "Victory of the Daleks" that made someone feel better and avoided disaster, but other than that... I'm kinda coming up short.
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: RavynousHunter on September 13, 2013, 12:06:18 am
That whole "well, what have THEY done on their own?" thing kinda irritates me.  A character doesn't need to always be the centre of attention or act on their own volition to be a good character.  Amy trusted the Doctor, that's why she, by and large, went along with his decisions.  If you had someone you knew was your clear superior in an extremely dangerous situation, you'd defer to their judgment, too.  If anything, Amy was more human.

"I'm in an extremely dangerous situation where I may very well die.  Should I follow my own instincts, or the man standing next to me that's clearly survived fucking wars?"  Really tough decision, I know.
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Patches on September 13, 2013, 08:38:58 am
That whole "well, what have THEY done on their own?" thing kinda irritates me.  A character doesn't need to always be the centre of attention or act on their own volition to be a good character.  Amy trusted the Doctor, that's why she, by and large, went along with his decisions.  If you had someone you knew was your clear superior in an extremely dangerous situation, you'd defer to their judgment, too.  If anything, Amy was more human.

"I'm in an extremely dangerous situation where I may very well die.  Should I follow my own instincts, or the man standing next to me that's clearly survived fucking wars?"  Really tough decision, I know.
I agree that a character doesn't always need to act on their own in order to be a good character.  But they still need to do it sometimes, otherwise they're not a character, they're a tool.  We need to see Amy occasionally expressing her own desires and ideas so we understand what makes Amy an independent person rather than an accessory defined solely by her relationship to the people around her.  What does Amy like to do?  What kind of aspirations does she have?  What motivates her?  What was her life like before she met the Doctor?

I can answer those questions for all the other companions, including Clara, but with Amy... I got nothing.  Her independent existence outside of the Doctor is such a vacuum that even her parents spontaneously existing again has zero impact on anything and is never mentioned again.  If you remove the Doctor and Rory from Amy's life and try to describe her as a person without referencing either of them... you can't.  There is just nothing there (http://fandomsandfeminism.tumblr.com/post/59341306876/goldenheartedrose-flapjackstate-image).
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Shane for Wax on September 13, 2013, 08:55:35 am
I said the same thing about Amy in the other thread. lol

EVEN ROSE, THE FUCKING MARY SUE OF MARY SUES HAD A PAST OUTSIDE OF THE DOCTOR.

I just... Guhhhhh.
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Thejebusfire on September 13, 2013, 03:53:20 pm
I just wanted to interrupt this thread with a GIF of three fighting a pterodactyl with a mop:

(http://media.tumblr.com/793396af2e11098eda8088cd0127c59b/tumblr_inline_mfm52dCn7N1ru00bs.gif)

Also, this:

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Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: SpaceProg on September 13, 2013, 05:16:34 pm
(http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2bjzyRI5B1qepzg9o1_400.gif)

LOL, where's Nick goin'?
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Dakota Bob on September 13, 2013, 07:57:48 pm
I'm super excited for the DVD release of the Tenth Planet this year, the Cybermen are my favorite Who villains and I've yet to see this and a few of the Troughton ones. The animation clips of episode 4 of the Tenth Planet on youtube look pretty good, the sing-song voice of the Cybermen is fucking creepy. I'm not really too keen on watching the reconstructions so I hope more of them get animated in the future.

EDIT:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gB788m2iAnE

The aforementioned youtube clip. sadly the audio quality is poor but beggars can't be choosers, we're lucky that some fans made off-air audio recordings.
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Thejebusfire on September 14, 2013, 08:42:06 pm
Before he was The Doctor Colin Baker sported a really awesome porn 'stace:

(http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mbzp52m9WS1r9ztoko1_250.gif)

I just wanted to share that with everyone.
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: SpaceProg on September 14, 2013, 09:53:29 pm
Ah yeah.  The fabled "70s Porn Colin".
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Dakota Bob on September 15, 2013, 07:09:27 am
I wonder what it would have been like if he kept that moustache...
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: maanantai on September 16, 2013, 07:41:55 am
Just dropping this (http://www.cbc.ca/newsblogs/yourcommunity/2013/09/doctor-whos-tardis-spotted-in-new-van-gogh-painting.html) here and then going back to my lurking.  :P
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Shane for Wax on September 16, 2013, 07:49:44 am
That doesn't look remotely like a TARDIS and I'm embarrassed by how often that has been on my tumblr dash.
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: maanantai on September 16, 2013, 07:55:06 am
That doesn't look remotely like a TARDIS and I'm embarrassed by how often that has been on my tumblr dash.

You need to squint your eyes/take glasses off and yes, there really is SOMETHING of the right shade of blue in that corner ; )
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Dakota Bob on September 16, 2013, 10:23:26 am
So apparently it's a blue building. Or it could be a TARDIS disguised as a blue building and it belongs to The Master, who killed Van Gogh after The Doctor and Amy visited him. Mmhmm.
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Shane for Wax on September 17, 2013, 12:26:12 am
That doesn't seem Master-esque to me.
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Dakota Bob on September 17, 2013, 10:01:51 am
Alright then, it's the Rani :P
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: SpaceProg on September 17, 2013, 02:37:13 pm
Maybe it's good ol' Drax!
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Askold on September 17, 2013, 02:41:53 pm
Maybe it's good ol' Drax!

What if it's Thrax?

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Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: SpaceProg on September 17, 2013, 02:43:16 pm
Then he'd be too small to see. :p
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Dakota Bob on September 17, 2013, 07:01:19 pm
In case anybody is interested, somebody on DailyMotion is putting up Who episodes, including reconstructions here (http://www.dailymotion.com/greendude33#video=xyms3o)

I've heard good things about Power of the Daleks, gonna have to check that one out.

EDIT: Apparently tumblr threw one of its shit-fits when Neil Gaiman stated an opinion on the 12th doctor and now he's declining to talk more of the show on the site (http://neil-gaiman.tumblr.com/post/60930512390/what-is-your-opinion-on-the-doctor-being-asexual)
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Shane for Wax on September 18, 2013, 04:38:19 am
Heh. Same thing happened with the writer of Pacific Rim when it came to Vanessa Gottlieb.

I actually agreed with Neil's opinion on the 12th doctor and if people would have actually sat down and thought about it, then maybe they wouldn't have gotten their panties in a bunch.
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Patches on September 18, 2013, 07:07:28 am
Heh. Same thing happened with the writer of Pacific Rim when it came to Vanessa Gottlieb.

I actually agreed with Neil's opinion on the 12th doctor and if people would have actually sat down and thought about it, then maybe they wouldn't have gotten their panties in a bunch.

Yeeeah, while I have no problem with the Doctor being a woman in theory, I don't trust the majority of writers, including Moffat, to write her effectively.  Most of the reason people are wary of female characters is the fact that writers tend to box them in to a few very limited archetypes, so they come to believe any female character will naturally HAVE to conform to one of those limited roles.  If, say, one of the "My Little Pony" writers was writing her, on the other hand, I wouldn't have nearly as much of a problem, since they've at least proven that they can write female characters who are neither primarily there for sex appeal and can have motives and abilities beyond "getting a man and deferring all decisions to him".
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Shane for Wax on September 18, 2013, 07:43:47 am
*especially Moffat. :P
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Thejebusfire on September 18, 2013, 02:28:18 pm
What we need is another badass tribal woman in a skimpy leather costume.
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: SpaceProg on September 18, 2013, 04:58:20 pm
Leela was pretty kickass, wasn't she?
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Dakota Bob on September 18, 2013, 07:26:31 pm
Yeah, Leela was pretty fucking badass.

Rewatching "Nightmare in Silver" made me think about how the Cybermen were portrayed in NuWho, and while I quite liked "Rise of the Cybermen/Age of Steel" I think it's pretty sad they've been reduced to stompy catchphrase robots. The Cybermen are my favorite villains, I loved the way they were portrayed in the classic series (Maybe except in "Revenge of the Cybermen") from the creepy sing-song voices and monotone buzzing of the black and white era to the underlying smug tone of the 80's (even if they were supposed to be emotionless, the guy who played the Cyber Leader was fantastic) and their more human like movement emphasizing that there were human beings (or part of) under the metal armour.  I'll acknowledge that the serials they featured in during the late 80's aren't impressive, I generally prefer their characterization to the newer version.

Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: m52nickerson on September 18, 2013, 07:40:25 pm
Yeeeah, while I have no problem with the Doctor being a woman in theory, I don't trust the majority of writers, including Moffat, to write her effectively.  Most of the reason people are wary of female characters is the fact that writers tend to box them in to a few very limited archetypes, so they come to believe any female character will naturally HAVE to conform to one of those limited roles.  If, say, one of the "My Little Pony" writers was writing her, on the other hand, I wouldn't have nearly as much of a problem, since they've at least proven that they can write female characters who are neither primarily there for sex appeal and can have motives and abilities beyond "getting a man and deferring all decisions to him".

A My Little Pony writer over Moffat?  Is this a joke...are you high?
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Patches on September 18, 2013, 10:08:54 pm
Yeeeah, while I have no problem with the Doctor being a woman in theory, I don't trust the majority of writers, including Moffat, to write her effectively.  Most of the reason people are wary of female characters is the fact that writers tend to box them in to a few very limited archetypes, so they come to believe any female character will naturally HAVE to conform to one of those limited roles.  If, say, one of the "My Little Pony" writers was writing her, on the other hand, I wouldn't have nearly as much of a problem, since they've at least proven that they can write female characters who are neither primarily there for sex appeal and can have motives and abilities beyond "getting a man and deferring all decisions to him".

A My Little Pony writer over Moffat?  Is this a joke...are you high?

You tell me.  How about we have a little "My Little Pony vs. Moffat Female Characterization Showdown"?

Spoilered for length.
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Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Thejebusfire on September 19, 2013, 02:17:49 am
Leela was pretty kickass, wasn't she?

Louise Jameson is pretty badass too.

Tom Baker was so deadest against having such a violent character that he was often disrespected Jameson on set. According to her character's Wiki page there was an incident during filming of "Horror on Fang Rock" where he constantly upstaged her. So she insisted on doing the scene over and over again until Baker stopped acting like a little shit.

Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: SpaceProg on September 19, 2013, 04:06:01 am
Yeah... I've heard Tom was a bit difficult to work with at times.  Particularly for Louise Jameson.

Aside from that, I've read and heard he did a crapload of ad-libbing.  It's fun to watch, but hard to act with a habitual ad-libber if you don't know where and when you should talk.
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Dakota Bob on September 20, 2013, 06:02:03 pm
I've think Tom has admitted as much in recent years. I imagine becoming the face of a franchise goes to your head pretty fast.
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: SpaceProg on September 20, 2013, 06:12:03 pm
Oh indeed.  From what I've gathered, he's mellowed quite a bit.  Still got that chaotic sense of humor though.
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: SimSim on September 20, 2013, 07:08:16 pm
Weird. I think a post of mine got eaten. I could have sworn I made a post in here mentioning that the actress who played the second Romana was chosen because she and Tom Baker got along. Leela was always kick ass, sucks that her write out was so crappy.
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Shane for Wax on September 20, 2013, 08:12:11 pm
I really, really love the New Who Master. Like... really love him. I love his arc, I love how John Simm plays him.

I've seen people mention they want to see the Master pop up again. I don't. And even if he did, I don't think John Simm should play him again. Even tho Simm himself has expressed desire to play the Master again and take him in a new direction.
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: RavynousHunter on September 20, 2013, 08:24:29 pm
They'll find a way to bring The Master back, tis just a matter of time.  Him and The Doctor are like two sides of the same coin, can't have one without the other.
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: m52nickerson on September 20, 2013, 08:39:40 pm
You tell me.  How about we have a little "My Little Pony vs. Moffat Female Characterization Showdown"?

Spoilered for length.
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Stating wants and needs does not make a more well rounded character.  In Amy's case the whole point is that she is obsessed with the Doctor.  As time goes on she starts to want something more, we see her try different careers until at the end she finds one, she becomes a writer.  A character not know what they want and finding it is pretty realistic.

We also see that Amy, as much as she is enamored with the Doctor at the beginning is able to go against him and survive on her own.  So sure of her stance she risked the whole of Brittan to save a Star Whale.  Survived 30 year on her own, building a sonic screw driver in the process.

Now as far as River, well you forget that she is a professor of archaeology.  She also investigates strange happenings in time without the Doctor.  Yes she loves the Doctor and is willing to tear time apart for him, well more specifically willing to tear it apart so he will at least know how many people love him.  To do so she puts together a damn army, and leads it. 

Clara is strong enough to travel with the Doctor on her terms, one day a week.  We see her in multiply roles, a care giver, a leader.  We see this in a pretty short amount of time.

We see Moffat and the other writers make these very strong female character in a show setting that is focused on a male lead character.  That is much harder than writing female characters in a show with zero male lead characters. 
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: RavynousHunter on September 20, 2013, 10:39:46 pm
At least Amy isn't Rose circa Series 2 and beyond..and a bit of her first series, too.  In the end, Amy stayed faithful to her original boyfriend/husband; Rose dropped Mickey like a dirty rag practically the moment #9 picked her up.  Rose was an asshole, and I'm glad Mickey moved on from her after he realized that.

[Paraphrasing their mindsets, from my point of view...]
Amy: "I'd love to have a roll in the hay with The Doctor, but I'm not leaving my boyfriend/husband for him."
Rose: "Mickey?  Who's that?  DOCTOR, I LERV YOU!"

If ya can't tell, yet, Rose annoyed the hell outta me, after her first series.  Glad the subsequent companions were a damn sight better than she was.

Also, having MLP writers do Doctor Who?  Please, tell me what you've been smoking that makes you think that'd be a good idea...might help me kill time, if nothin else.  One's a children's show about garishly-coloured ponies and the cliche "magic of friendship," and the other is Doctor Who.  The two should not be mingled outside fanfic.
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Shane for Wax on September 20, 2013, 11:38:06 pm
They'll find a way to bring The Master back, tis just a matter of time.  Him and The Doctor are like two sides of the same coin, can't have one without the other.

I have a distinct problem with bringing back the same foe multiple times.

I got tired of it happening with the Daleks the second time in new Who. There's only so much you can cover with 'wibbly wobbly timey wimey'.

With that said... Since we're back on Moffat.


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#No but it does #by painting Amy and River and Clara as ‘girls’ #Moffat puts them in positions with less power #He infantilizes them and reduces them to side-characters in their own stories #Because nothing about these ladies is about the #*them #it’s all about the Doctor #and how he reacts to the puzzles they supply #for god’s sake Amy’s pregnancy wasn’t even about her #It was about how the Doctor was going to figure out what was wrong with Amelia #Did you notice that when he’s worried about her #he calls her Amelia #he makes her a child again to remind her (and himself and the audience) of her real position: #as the girl who waited #THE GIRL #the CHILD he met first (via isilienelenihin)

Not to mention that the Doctor named Amy/Clara whereas Rose/Martha/Donna earned their titles.  It’s a subtle distinction because, technically, Amy “earned” her title by being a girl who did wait, but it’s the impact of these monikers that’s troubling.  Rose became the Bad Wolf when she ended the Time War, Martha became the woman who walked the Earth after saving the planet, and Donna was the most important woman in the universe because she saved it.  Both Amelia and Clara have been heroic and saved people, but their titles don’t reflect that.  Their titles reflect who they are to the Doctor—not who they are as individuals.
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on September 21, 2013, 12:00:48 am
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#No but it does #by painting Amy and River and Clara as ‘girls’ #Moffat puts them in positions with less power #He infantilizes them and reduces them to side-characters in their own stories #Because nothing about these ladies is about the #*them #it’s all about the Doctor #and how he reacts to the puzzles they supply #for god’s sake Amy’s pregnancy wasn’t even about her #It was about how the Doctor was going to figure out what was wrong with Amelia #Did you notice that when he’s worried about her #he calls her Amelia #he makes her a child again to remind her (and himself and the audience) of her real position: #as the girl who waited #THE GIRL #the CHILD he met first (via isilienelenihin)

Not to mention that the Doctor named Amy/Clara whereas Rose/Martha/Donna earned their titles.  It’s a subtle distinction because, technically, Amy “earned” her title by being a girl who did wait, but it’s the impact of these monikers that’s troubling.  Rose became the Bad Wolf when she ended the Time War, Martha became the woman who walked the Earth after saving the planet, and Donna was the most important woman in the universe because she saved it.  Both Amelia and Clara have been heroic and saved people, but their titles don’t reflect that.  Their titles reflect who they are to the Doctor—not who they are as individuals.
Everybody is caught in The Doctor's protagonist field. The companions exist to give us someone to relate to, not to be the protagonist. Sure, they've become more useful over the years, but they're still, in the end, there for normal people to have a normal person to relate to. Everybody is children and puzzles to The Doctor. Life is a puzzle to him, and only a few are more than children to him. However, he still respects the hell out of them, but in the end, he's a Time Lord. He's better than the others ever were, but he is still a smug, ancient, brilliant alien.

Additionally, The Doctor put them in all those situations. The Doctor made that all happen. Rose became the Bad Wolf because The Doctor picked her up and tossed her into the line of fire. That power not only almost killed her, but did kill Nine. Want to read into things? A woman gained power, did some good and then immediately ruined one man's life by trying to help him and caused another to have to die. How's that for "empowerment"? Martha only did that because she still loved The Doctor. She lived and fought for him. Donna, okay, sure, she actually was awesome. Rose and Martha? Fuck no.

Also, the titles reflecting who they are to The Doctor? That's because that is what Eleven does. That is part of his character flaws. He took all of Ten's emo, hid it away, and put so much "I'm so awesome" over it that it hurts everyone around him. The problem with the people who think that it's sexist is that they can't see the layers to the characters. Amy isn't just fiercely loyal, she inspires it in everyone she meets. She's crafty, smart, and just as feisty as Donna. Which reminds me, why is "feisty" being Donna's thing fine, but with Amy, it's sexist? Oh yeah, because people like one and don't like the other. She built herself a Sonic Screwdriver. Let me restate that. She built Time Lord technology. She built something that Time Lords have their TARDIS make. Also, it's not like Amy didn't do the same secretive stuff to The Doctor. He was secretive about the wibbly wobbly fetus of doom, and she was secretive about seeing his death. They both wanted to figure it out without the other. They both have sadness inside, and cover it up via projecting ego. Amy and The Doctor are more similar than people give them credit for.

Additionally, people keep giving her flak for being obsessed with The Doctor all her life. This is the dumbest complaint I have ever heard of. Ever. At all. Think back to your childhood. Now, imagine an alien crashed in your garden, ate fish fingers and custard, saved you from your personal boogyman, and promised to be right back and take you around the universe... and never returned. You would be just as obsessed. I know I would have. Think about it: Amy's got two friends. She's pretty smart. She's generally a good person, but is extremely unwilling to budge and what she sees as a slight against her. She also becomes obsessed with a single desire? Do you think this girl had a good time in school? I certainly don't. She likely turned to The Doctor even more so because, chances are, her personal life was not very good. Simple hero worship. You see it on Tumblr all the time. It's most of what Tumblr is. "Oh, if only The Doctor would show up and take me away from this miserable world." Amy is one of the legions of Internet fans, and they're horrified by their own reflection.
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: SpaceProg on September 21, 2013, 12:06:55 am
I've always related more to the Doctor than any companion he's ever had.  Guess I'm just an old soul. ;)
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on September 21, 2013, 12:10:19 am
I've always related more to the Doctor than any companion he's ever had.  Guess I'm just an old soul. ;)
Same. That's why I specified "for normal people".
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Shane for Wax on September 21, 2013, 12:51:53 am
We've been over most of this before but I really cannot contain myself in rebutting the hate on Martha.

Yeah, and I suppose Martha didn't do shit after the Doctor left did she?

Oh, wait. Yes she did. Finally got to be a doctor in her own right, dual work with UNIT and Torchwood, when she called the Doctor HE CAME ON THE FUCKING DOUBLE. And when River had to get his attention? She had to carve into a gorram mountain.

Martha was awesome on her own, same as Donna. Rose became the Bad Wolf because she creates herself and it was wibbly wobbly and the Doctor never told her to look into the Time Vortex. The Doctor never told her to open up the TARDIS. Shit on Rose if you want, but don't you dare say Martha was not a great person in her own right. Don't you dare say she wasn't an amazing character. Because she was.

(http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lz7gk9dyy01qbz2ffo7_250.gif)

(http://31.media.tumblr.com/f95ac6c249c2014f93bd7e33bacb5d27/tumblr_mp7wydnxHm1st8tceo3_1280.png)
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/b72aa19c9f0b80e032ed2e583db8beaf/tumblr_mp7wydnxHm1st8tceo4_1280.png)
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/db2642ce0ef902c546d56d387430a1fa/tumblr_mp7wydnxHm1st8tceo7_1280.png)

My reaction, in essence, with Martha being paired with Rose:

(http://media.tumblr.com/9e1190ec57857cd980c2b7bbc8572bfd/tumblr_inline_mjiua7UaDn1qz4rgp.png)

Yeah, I'm firmly in the

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Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: SpaceProg on September 21, 2013, 12:58:28 am
I've always related more to the Doctor than any companion he's ever had.  Guess I'm just an old soul. ;)
Same. That's why I specified "for normal people".

Ahhh... Gotcha. :D
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Thejebusfire on September 21, 2013, 01:38:17 am
I am now going to interrupt this thread with a GIF set of Five being adorable:

(http://24.media.tumblr.com/8a4a9428880397cd35c6e93476353320/tumblr_mqzdvf9S4O1s3xrg6o2_250.gif) (http://25.media.tumblr.com/2558c88f66d7813d87b838c764063f6f/tumblr_mqzdvf9S4O1s3xrg6o1_250.gif)
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Shane for Wax on September 21, 2013, 03:05:32 am
(http://31.media.tumblr.com/9cfe5a1027814ab1c84d41a3dcb26109/tumblr_mr8551gwwa1sbztgco1_500.jpg)
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Dakota Bob on September 21, 2013, 06:47:44 am
(http://i.imgur.com/A3xpqi8.png)
So excited for Series 8
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Patches on September 21, 2013, 10:03:21 am
We see Moffat and the other writers make these very strong female character in a show setting that is focused on a male lead character.  That is much harder than writing female characters in a show with zero male lead characters.

But this is the male definition of "strong female character", where as a female character's perceived power increases, so does her sexual objectification in order to "balance it out" and ensure she's still primarily there as a set piece.  A true "strong female character" is simply a "strong character", with the "female" part being completely irrelevant to her behavior and treatment.

I mean, think back on the RTD companions.  They typically wore trousers, full tops, and not much make-up (except for Rose in a few episodes).  No one ever commented on their legs or their ass or otherwise made disparaging comments about their gender unless it was to show that character was a douchebag.  The companions never tried to seduce the Doctor or force themselves on him in a suggestive way.  They were just people, who happened to be female, and they were able to become accomplished individuals without having to "offset" it with being sexy and seductive.

And then we get to Amy, River, and Clara.  Amy is constantly dressed in short skirts, five pounds of make-up, the Doctor nicknames her "The Legs", upskirt jokes are made, she tries to rape the Doctor in her bedroom the day before her wedding, and there are numerous instances of other characters going "huhh huhh, she's hot".  River dresses slightly more practically, but she's still the outrageous seductress, makes tons of sexual remarks, and gets nicknamed "Mrs. Robinson" by the Doctor (a G-rated term for "The Slut").  Clara III's behavior is much more respectable, but Oswin and Clara II were still both outrageous flirts, and Clara III still gets "short skirt" comments from time to time.  So far Kate Stewart has been the only true "strong" female character in Moffat's run, but unfortunately she was written by Chibnall, not Moffat, and only lasted one episode (though it appears she's returning for the 50th.  I just hope that Moffat doesn't feel the need to sexually degrade her as well once he gets ahold of her).

It's like writers are afraid that an accomplished woman comes across as sexually unavailable (which is also apparently a bad thing), so they have to go out of their way to make sure their male audience is assured that, "No, don't worry, this woman may be strong but she'll still totally have sex with you."  You see it all the time with female superheroes, warriors, spies, and leaders in the media.  "I am super capable, but I must do it SUPER SEXILY, which for some reason my male counterparts don't have to do." 

The prevalence of this "strong female = sex object" trope is so bad that it spills over into real life, where you get headline news articles about a female leader's hair or clothing not being visually appealing enough, and completely ignoring the content of her message and accomplishments.  Therefore, I have to insist that anyone who writes a female Doctor -- a person who is by definition a leader and inspiration to those around her -- not have a history of falling into the "strong female = sex object" trope, as it demonstrates a very undeveloped imagination regarding the roles and capabilities of female characters.  And Moffat has not only fallen into that trope, he's burned the ladder to get out.
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: RavynousHunter on September 21, 2013, 10:13:23 am
I'll formulate a proper response later.  In the meantime, here's an image macro, because why not.

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Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Patches on September 21, 2013, 10:36:32 am
Also, having MLP writers do Doctor Who?  Please, tell me what you've been smoking that makes you think that'd be a good idea...might help me kill time, if nothin else.  One's a children's show about garishly-coloured ponies and the cliche "magic of friendship," and the other is Doctor Who.  The two should not be mingled outside fanfic.

Sigh... I put a disclaimer in my explanation to preemptively avoid people making this accusation, but it doesn't help if no one reads it.  To quote myself from my above explanation:

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Again, this is NOT an attempt to say that the My Little Pony writers could write for Doctor Who.  They're two completely different genres and target audiences, and I don't think it's an appropriate fit.  This was ONLY a discussion of which show has the more organic and fleshed-out female characters, to back up my point of why I would not want Moffat writing a female Doctor.
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: m52nickerson on September 21, 2013, 11:01:20 am
We see Moffat and the other writers make these very strong female character in a show setting that is focused on a male lead character.  That is much harder than writing female characters in a show with zero male lead characters.

But this is the male definition of "strong female character", where as a female character's perceived power increases, so does her sexual objectification in order to "balance it out" and ensure she's still primarily there as a set piece.  A true "strong female character" is simply a "strong character", with the "female" part being completely irrelevant to her behavior and treatment.

I mean, think back on the RTD companions.  They typically wore trousers, full tops, and not much make-up (except for Rose in a few episodes).  No one ever commented on their legs or their ass or otherwise made disparaging comments about their gender unless it was to show that character was a douchebag.  The companions never tried to seduce the Doctor or force themselves on him in a suggestive way.  They were just people, who happened to be female, and they were able to become accomplished individuals without having to "offset" it with being sexy and seductive.

And then we get to Amy, River, and Clara.  Amy is constantly dressed in short skirts, five pounds of make-up, the Doctor nicknames her "The Legs", upskirt jokes are made, she tries to rape the Doctor in her bedroom the day before her wedding, and there are numerous instances of other characters going "huhh huhh, she's hot".  River dresses slightly more practically, but she's still the outrageous seductress, makes tons of sexual remarks, and gets nicknamed "Mrs. Robinson" by the Doctor (a G-rated term for "The Slut").  Clara III's behavior is much more respectable, but Oswin and Clara II were still both outrageous flirts, and Clara III still gets "short skirt" comments from time to time.  So far Kate Stewart has been the only true "strong" female character in Moffat's run, but unfortunately she was written by Chibnall, not Moffat, and only lasted one episode (though it appears she's returning for the 50th.  I just hope that Moffat doesn't feel the need to sexually degrade her as well once he gets ahold of her).

It's like writers are afraid that an accomplished woman comes across as sexually unavailable (which is also apparently a bad thing), so they have to go out of their way to make sure their male audience is assured that, "No, don't worry, this woman may be strong but she'll still totally have sex with you."  You see it all the time with female superheroes, warriors, spies, and leaders in the media.  "I am super capable, but I must do it SUPER SEXILY, which for some reason my male counterparts don't have to do." 

The prevalence of this "strong female = sex object" trope is so bad that it spills over into real life, where you get headline news articles about a female leader's hair or clothing not being visually appealing enough, and completely ignoring the content of her message and accomplishments.  Therefore, I have to insist that anyone who writes a female Doctor -- a person who is by definition a leader and inspiration to those around her -- not have a history of falling into the "strong female = sex object" trope, as it demonstrates a very undeveloped imagination regarding the roles and capabilities of female characters.  And Moffat has not only fallen into that trope, he's burned the ladder to get out.

Oh my god female character that show a sexual side...they must be bad characters.

Yes Amy, River and Clara wear skirts.  Women do that some times.   Women also flirt and gasp maybe she an interested in sex.  Kate Stewart's character is in one episode and seen in a single light.  Easy to write a "strong" female character when that character is pretty much one dimensional.

Skirts, makeup and some flirting does not make characters super sexy. 

Your assertion that a strong female character must have no mention or reaction to her being female is ridiculous.  That not a strong female character,  that is a character without gender that is played by an actress.  You are not advocating for strong female character, just female characters that want nothing to do with things that are seen as feminine.
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: RavynousHunter on September 21, 2013, 12:27:53 pm
Also, having MLP writers do Doctor Who?  Please, tell me what you've been smoking that makes you think that'd be a good idea...might help me kill time, if nothin else.  One's a children's show about garishly-coloured ponies and the cliche "magic of friendship," and the other is Doctor Who.  The two should not be mingled outside fanfic.

Sigh... I put a disclaimer in my explanation to preemptively avoid people making this accusation, but it doesn't help if no one reads it.  To quote myself from my above explanation:

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Again, this is NOT an attempt to say that the My Little Pony writers could write for Doctor Who.  They're two completely different genres and target audiences, and I don't think it's an appropriate fit.  This was ONLY a discussion of which show has the more organic and fleshed-out female characters, to back up my point of why I would not want Moffat writing a female Doctor.

Aah, my bad.  This, children, is why you pay attention!
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: SpaceProg on September 21, 2013, 12:34:51 pm
I am now going to interrupt this thread with a GIF set of Five being adorable:

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Yeah, Five is rather good at that.
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Patches on September 21, 2013, 02:27:02 pm
Oh my god female character that show a sexual side...they must be bad characters.

Yes Amy, River and Clara wear skirts.  Women do that some times.   Women also flirt and gasp maybe she an interested in sex.  Kate Stewart's character is in one episode and seen in a single light.  Easy to write a "strong" female character when that character is pretty much one dimensional.

Skirts, makeup and some flirting does not make characters super sexy. 

Your assertion that a strong female character must have no mention or reaction to her being female is ridiculous.  That not a strong female character,  that is a character without gender that is played by an actress.  You are not advocating for strong female character, just female characters that want nothing to do with things that are seen as feminine.

There is a difference between "sexy" and "sexualized", and it's entirely possible for a character to be the former without being the latter.

A "sexy" character is one whom the audience finds sexually appealing.  A "sexualized" character is one whose sex appeal is made a focus of the narrative.

There are plenty of people who find Rose, Martha, and even Donna to be "sexy".  And that's fine, I have no problem with that.  The reason is because they were never defined by it.  No aspects of their characters, no aspects of the narrative, no lines of dialogue hinged on them being explicitly "sexy".  The audience was left to judge their appeal for themselves.  Rose and Donna both had active romantic and likely sexual lives, but they weren't defined by them.  It was just an aside, "By the way, this character is probably sexually active.  But since that is completely irrelevant to anything going on, moving on!"  The audience is perfectly capable of noticing that a woman is wearing a short skirt without the camera panning up her legs or the other characters vocally bringing it to attention.

Yes, women flirt, wear short skirts, and are interested in sex.  And that's fine.  The problem is the amount of importance or attention it's given in situations where it's absolutely irrelevant.  Attention was brought to Amy and Clara's short skirts multiple times, but you'd be hard-pressed to find a legitimate narrative or character-building reason to do so.  It was a juvenile "let us pause the story for a moment to admire that chick's ass" moment and nothing more.

In short, it's the difference between a character being attractive and sexual, and the narrative objectifying these traits and treating such objectification as appropriate.  There's nothing wrong with being feminine, it's the way that femininity is portrayed.  One way is from someone who actually understands and respects women and writes them as human beings, and the other is from someone stuck in the boys' club who views women as "mysterious outsiders" and writes them with a set of stock traits meant to be ogled like animals in a zoo.

If Amy just happened to like wearing short skirts, then she would be "sexy", and that's fine.  But the moment the show devotes 20 seconds of its time to have someone catcall her and pan the camera around her ass, it becomes "sexualized".  And that's not fine.
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: m52nickerson on September 21, 2013, 02:59:00 pm
I remember Amy's skirt length being commented on twice, and once was in a comedy short.  Clair's skirt mentioned once.  None of those time stopped the story to do it.  They also don't suddenly make the characters sexualized throughout the stories.

River is very outwardly sexual, that does not in any way take way from her as a character or make her a weak female character.  It would if that was all she was, but clearly she is more.

Sexualizing people does happen in real life, so if you are going to write characters that feel real it is going to happen.  It does not just happen the female characters.  Remember when Amy was ogling the Doctor as he changed?  How about River's comment about the mind racing with possibilities when there were two Doctor?
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Thejebusfire on September 21, 2013, 04:58:43 pm
We interrupt this thread to bring you the Fifth Doctor having too much fun in a wheelchair:

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We now return you to your regularly scheduled argument.
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: RavynousHunter on September 21, 2013, 05:07:03 pm
"Go softly on!"  I need to use that during foreplay.
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Patches on September 21, 2013, 05:21:49 pm
I remember Amy's skirt length being commented on twice, and once was in a comedy short.  Clair's skirt mentioned once.  None of those time stopped the story to do it.  They also don't suddenly make the characters sexualized throughout the stories.

River is very outwardly sexual, that does not in any way take way from her as a character or make her a weak female character.  It would if that was all she was, but clearly she is more.

Sexualizing people does happen in real life, so if you are going to write characters that feel real it is going to happen.  It does not just happen the female characters.  Remember when Amy was ogling the Doctor as he changed?  How about River's comment about the mind racing with possibilities when there were two Doctor?

Yes, these things do happen in real life.  And it's fine for them to happen in media, again, as long as they're handled the right way.  Characters are perfectly welcome to make sexually degrading comments, as long as the show frames them appropriately.  To use your example of Amy ogling the Doctor, check Rory's reaction.  This scene was framed in such a way as to make Amy's action come across as inappropriate, which is fine.  But when demeaning comments or actions are made in Clara, Amy, or any female character's direction, there is no implied disapproval.  In fact, the Doctor exerting his manly manness over those silly women is constantly shown in a heroic light.

It's this dissonance between the reactions I expect and the reactions I'm given that constantly throw me out of immersion in the Moffat era.  Something I rarely had a problem with in the RTD era.

For example, in "The Angels Take Manhattan", River pulls Amy aside and tells her she can never let the Doctor see her grow old, because that would make the Doctor upset.  And since no one objected to this, apparently we're supposed to consider this solid advice.  But that's awful advice.  Amy is going to grow old, it's a fact of life, and it's the 1,000 year-old Time Lord who needs to accept the fact that people age, not demand to be coddled by pretty young women forever.

Or in "Asylum of the Daleks" where Amy revealed she divorced Rory because she can't have kids anymore, and simply assumed that he didn't want her anymore so dumped him preemptively, without having any kind of discussion with him.  And this was her "proof" that she loved him more than anything to settle their argument.  What?  Like the previous example, that is such an egregiously self-serving admission, and yet it's never called out.  It's treated like the audience is supposed to accept that as good and valid reasoning, when it's so far from it.

And just so many more little things peppered throughout his run.  Instances where the Doctor or someone says or does something unbecoming of a heroic character and no one calls them out on it.  That doesn't mean they can't do unbecoming things.  You're welcome to have a pervy character who feels up women's asses and tells them to get him sammiches, but you'd better not portray that character as some sort of saint by having every other character tacitly approve of his behavior.  If there's no one else around, even the direction, camera work, lighting, and music can convey whether or not the narrative considers this character's actions good or bad.  Characters need to make mistakes, they need to do the wrong thing sometimes, yes, but the narrative needs to show it recognizes when a character is in the wrong.  And Moffat's writing in particular seems to have a difficult time conveying that it understands when its characters are wrong.  Especially when it comes to how it treats women.
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: m52nickerson on September 21, 2013, 06:02:35 pm
Yes, these things do happen in real life.  And it's fine for them to happen in media, again, as long as they're handled the right way.  Characters are perfectly welcome to make sexually degrading comments, as long as the show frames them appropriately.  To use your example of Amy ogling the Doctor, check Rory's reaction.  This scene was framed in such a way as to make Amy's action come across as inappropriate, which is fine.  But when demeaning comments or actions are made in Clara, Amy, or any female character's direction, there is no implied disapproval.  In fact, the Doctor exerting his manly manness over those silly women is constantly shown in a heroic light.

It's this dissonance between the reactions I expect and the reactions I'm given that constantly throw me out of immersion in the Moffat era.  Something I rarely had a problem with in the RTD era.

For example, in "The Angels Take Manhattan", River pulls Amy aside and tells her she can never let the Doctor see her grow old, because that would make the Doctor upset.  And since no one objected to this, apparently we're supposed to consider this solid advice.  But that's awful advice.  Amy is going to grow old, it's a fact of life, and it's the 1,000 year-old Time Lord who needs to accept the fact that people age, not demand to be coddled by pretty young women forever.

Or in "Asylum of the Daleks" where Amy revealed she divorced Rory because she can't have kids anymore, and simply assumed that he didn't want her anymore so dumped him preemptively, without having any kind of discussion with him.  And this was her "proof" that she loved him more than anything to settle their argument.  What?  Like the previous example, that is such an egregiously self-serving admission, and yet it's never called out.  It's treated like the audience is supposed to accept that as good and valid reasoning, when it's so far from it.

And just so many more little things peppered throughout his run.  Instances where the Doctor or someone says or does something unbecoming of a heroic character and no one calls them out on it.  That doesn't mean they can't do unbecoming things.  You're welcome to have a pervy character who feels up women's asses and tells them to get him sammiches, but you'd better not portray that character as some sort of saint by having every other character tacitly approve of his behavior.  If there's no one else around, even the direction, camera work, lighting, and music can convey whether or not the narrative considers this character's actions good or bad.  Characters need to make mistakes, they need to do the wrong thing sometimes, yes, but the narrative needs to show it recognizes when a character is in the wrong.  And Moffat's writing in particular seems to have a difficult time conveying that it understands when its characters are wrong.  Especially when it comes to how it treats women.

The Doctor exerting his mainly manliness?  Really what are you talking about?  If the Doctor exerts anything it is that he is the Doctor, not that he is a man.

The Doctor makes a comment about Amy's skirt after it is Rory who loses focus because she is standing over him on the glass floor.  At the end the Doctors comments that she should put on some pants.  The other comment about Amy wearing short skirts comes from Rory and how it was wrong of her to use that to pass her driving test.  All of this in the setting of a comic short.

River's comment to the Doctor in Angles was not about aging.  River told Amy not to let his see the damage.  The whole context of that conversation is about the fact that one of the Doctor's flaws is he can't accept he gets the people he loves hurt.  The Doctor also get promptly slapped after he kisses Jenny. 

As for Clair the Doctor makes a single comment, to himself, about her skirt being a little to tight.  This in itself was part of a list of quality regarding Clair.   If you feel that is inappropriate fine, but another character does not have to appear and correct him.

Amy was called out, by Rory that she should not have assumed he would be torn apart by not being able to have children with her.  So her behavior was called out.  Even if it was not I think people can make there own judgement if it was wrong or not.  This flawed action by Amy does not make for a badly written female character, just a female character that is flawed.

Your argument has gone from Moffet can write female characters to his other characters can't treat women right.
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Dakota Bob on September 21, 2013, 07:29:32 pm
Peter Davison is a pretty cool guy, check out this video intros he recorded for a convention (http://vimeo.com/peterdavison5)
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Patches on September 21, 2013, 08:12:09 pm
River's comment to the Doctor in Angles was not about aging.  River told Amy not to let his see the damage.  The whole context of that conversation is about the fact that one of the Doctor's flaws is he can't accept he gets the people he loves hurt.

Um, the full, exact quote is: "Never let him see the damage.  And never, EVER let him see you age.  He doesn't like endings."

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The Doctor also get promptly slapped after he kisses Jenny.

And laughs it off.  He doesn't apologize for it.  He doesn't take away any wrongdoing on his part about it.  His reaction is "Oh, that silly woman slapping me for forcing myself her, how amusing."

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As for Clair the Doctor makes a single comment, to himself, about her skirt being a little to tight.  This in itself was part of a list of quality regarding Clair.   If you feel that is inappropriate fine, but another character does not have to appear and correct him.

None of what he said was a quality of Clara herself, it was a list of qualities surrounding Clara.  "The Impossible Girl.  A mystery wrapped in an enigma squeezed into a skirt that's just a little bit too... tight."  None of those things describe her as a person or a character, they describe plot devices around her.  If he was describing Clara, he would have called her "intelligent, nurturing, loyal", or other adjectives that can be applied to a human being.  Clara isn't a person he chose to take along with him because he respected any of her personal qualities, he just saw a puzzle he wanted to figure out and she just happened to be attached to it.

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Amy was called out, by Rory that she should not have assumed he would be torn apart by not being able to have children with her.  So her behavior was called out.

No, it wasn't.  The dialogue in that scene was this:

Rory: "Amy, YOU kicked ME out!"
Amy: "You want kids!  You have always wanted kids!  Ever since you WERE a kid!  And I can't have them!"
Rory: "I know."
Amy: "Whatever they did to me at Demon's Run, I can't ever give you children.  I didn't kick you out.  I gave you up."
Rory: "Amy, I don't..."
Amy: "Don't you dare talk to me about waiting outside a box.  Because that is NOTHING, Rory, NOTHING compared to giving you up."
Rory: "Just give me your arm and I'll put this..."
Amy: "DON'T TOUCH ME!"
Rory: "JUST GIVE ME YOUR ARM!"

That is the entirety of that conversation.  Rory never called her out on it.  He never even had an opinion on it.  They just randomly got back together after that, and the entire divorce and infertility subplot from this episode was neeeeever mentioned again (aside from the unfilmed alternate ending to "Angels Take Manhattan").

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Even if it was not I think people can make there own judgement if it was wrong or not.

Yes, people can, and people do.  But it becomes harder and harder to remain immersed in a show when you continuously fail to see any of the characters share that judgement, and the characters fail to provide any reasoning for the reactions they do have if they differ.  The audience needs a character with whom they can relate, and if everyone is continuously behaving and reacting in unrecognizable ways, this becomes difficult to do.  Rory is pretty much the only consistently relatable character since he's generally the only one to call anyone out, but it's difficult to remain attached when the show is constantly going, "Haha, the one character you agree with is a silly dorky doofus who we constantly tell to shut up and kill off three times a season."

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This flawed action by Amy does not make for a badly written female character, just a female character that is flawed.

It's only a flaw if the narrative recognizes it as a flaw.  This is the main issue with Mary-Sue characters: they're fatally flawed by being obnoxious, selfish, and overpowered, but the author doesn't recognize their behavior as being unappealing, so writes everyone as being totally enamored with them and giving them a free pass on everything.  A flaw is a crack in a character's facade that allows us to see how they work, by prodding that flaw and seeing how they and the people around them react.  But if they don't react, or don't learn, then there's no point.

Take Rose, who had similar flaws of being selfish, unfaithful, and irresponsible.  But she got so much flack for her behavior, especially in S1.  They spent an entire two-part episode to have her mother and Mickey chew her out for her behavior.  Nine has to tell her off in almost every episode.  Rose may not have been a likable or appealing character, but she was a well-written character (in S1, at least.  I do admit she got more free passes than she deserved in S2).
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: m52nickerson on September 21, 2013, 09:46:29 pm
Um, the full, exact quote is: "Never let him see the damage.  And never, EVER let him see you age.  He doesn't like endings."

Your right, she does add that.  Thing is the agging part has nothing to do with Amy's looks.  It has to do with her mortality.

And laughs it off.  He doesn't apologize for it.  He doesn't take away any wrongdoing on his part about it.  His reaction is "Oh, that silly woman slapping me for forcing myself her, how amusing."

Which makes him an ass, but he still got slapped.

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None of what he said was a quality of Clara herself, it was a list of qualities surrounding Clara.  "The Impossible Girl.  A mystery wrapped in an enigma squeezed into a skirt that's just a little bit too... tight."  None of those things describe her as a person or a character, they describe plot devices around her.  If he was describing Clara, he would have called her "intelligent, nurturing, loyal", or other adjectives that can be applied to a human being.  Clara isn't a person he chose to take along with him because he respected any of her personal qualities, he just saw a puzzle he wanted to figure out and she just happened to be attached to it.

Those absolutely are qualities of Clara. She is a mystery and is so because of what she does.  In fact the Doctor decides to take her along before he figures out she was the impossible girl.  It may not be the true version of her, but it is still her. 

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No, it wasn't.  The dialogue in that scene was this:

Rory: "Amy, YOU kicked ME out!"
Amy: "You want kids!  You have always wanted kids!  Ever since you WERE a kid!  And I can't have them!"
Rory: "I know."
Amy: "Whatever they did to me at Demon's Run, I can't ever give you children.  I didn't kick you out.  I gave you up."
Rory: "Amy, I don't..."
Amy: "Don't you dare talk to me about waiting outside a box.  Because that is NOTHING, Rory, NOTHING compared to giving you up."
Rory: "Just give me your arm and I'll put this..."
Amy: "DON'T TOUCH ME!"
Rory: "JUST GIVE ME YOUR ARM!"

That is the entirety of that conversation.  Rory never called her out on it.  He never even had an opinion on it.  They just randomly got back together after that, and the entire divorce and infertility subplot from this episode was neeeeever mentioned again (aside from the unfilmed alternate ending to "Angels Take Manhattan").

Rory most certainly did have an opinion,  it was that his love for Amy was more important than his wanting kids.  He calls her out by telling her how much he loves her, and by taking her back.

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Yes, people can, and people do.  But it becomes harder and harder to remain immersed in a show when you continuously fail to see any of the characters share that judgement, and the characters fail to provide any reasoning for the reactions they do have if they differ.  The audience needs a character with whom they can relate, and if everyone is continuously behaving and reacting in unrecognizable ways, this becomes difficult to do.  Rory is pretty much the only consistently relatable character since he's generally the only one to call anyone out, but it's difficult to remain attached when the show is constantly going, "Haha, the one character you agree with is a silly dorky doofus who we constantly tell to shut up and kill off three times a season."

If you can't relate to anyone save Rory that is on you.  I don't see any of the character acting in some way that does not seem like them, that includes there faults.  Even Amy kicking Rory out can be traced back to that fact that everyone in her life leaves her for one reason or another.

In case you missed it Rory goes from dork to hero in the series.  Far from a silly dork doofus.

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It's only a flaw if the narrative recognizes it as a flaw.  This is the main issue with Mary-Sue characters: they're fatally flawed by being obnoxious, selfish, and overpowered, but the author doesn't recognize their behavior as being unappealing, so writes everyone as being totally enamored with them and giving them a free pass on everything.  A flaw is a crack in a character's facade that allows us to see how they work, by prodding that flaw and seeing how they and the people around them react.  But if they don't react, or don't learn, then there's no point.

Other characters do react to the flaws, perhaps not by scolding them, but they do react.  In real life people don't get told off every time they do something stupid. 

Now you have gotten even further away from your original argument that Moffet can't write female character to he can't write any characters.   
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: RavynousHunter on September 21, 2013, 10:41:22 pm
Eeh, to hell with the well-formulated response that was never to be.  Too long, too boring.  Time to just sit back and watch!

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Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Dakota Bob on September 22, 2013, 02:29:21 pm
Everybody needs to cheer up!
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Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: TheL on September 22, 2013, 03:08:38 pm
Extermination in 5, 4...
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Thejebusfire on September 22, 2013, 04:19:39 pm
Four reminds everyone not to blink 30 years before "Blink" was produced. Because timelord.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6s4_9cCWtY
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: SpaceProg on September 22, 2013, 04:30:02 pm
Spooooooky. 
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: m52nickerson on September 22, 2013, 06:03:40 pm
Everybody needs to cheer up!
(http://i.imgur.com/7JDsPnn.jpg)

Paul McGann's Doctor verses the Daleks is what we call...WIN!
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Thejebusfire on September 22, 2013, 06:39:03 pm
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/c2a2eec64a0e5a7b163b3b1dfb55abf7/tumblr_msq0jksSC61swahyxo1_500.png)

At first I thought this article was about how to deal with six and now I can't stop laughing.
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Shane for Wax on September 22, 2013, 06:42:27 pm
On the flipside I felt they were writing about Doctor Gregory House.

Also I'd join in the argument but I already used most of my argument in the other thread. I was going to make a remark about the differences in the two sides and how they view the show and its problems, but eh.

Anyways...

How many Whovians does it take to change a light bulb?

1,000,000. One to change the bulb and 999,999 to say that although the new bulb is ok, the one they grew up on was better.

Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Dakota Bob on September 22, 2013, 07:01:41 pm
Fans will always find things to complain about. on Gallifrey Base there is a five page thread about Tennants hair in the 50th promotional poster.
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Shane for Wax on September 22, 2013, 07:24:47 pm
That's a little vague. While they could be complaining they could also be mentioning how it looks like it did in series 2 of New Who and what that could mean about when the 10th doctor is when it comes to timelines. Considering that is what has crossed my dash rather than complaints.

On the flipside I have seen people complain about the 12th Doctor even tho we have no idea about him besides he's a Doctor and he's going to be darker, possibly darker than 9 was. They have complained about Peter Capaldi being too old so there probably won't be any chemistry with the companions even tho the Doctors' actors have all been older than the companions and the fact that the Doctor is 1000+ years old so what's it matter that he's starting to look his age?
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Thejebusfire on September 22, 2013, 10:46:44 pm
Not to mention that Capaldi isn't the first older man to play the doctor.
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: SpaceProg on September 22, 2013, 11:52:02 pm
Not by a long shot.  This is actually kind of a relief, as it's nice to have a guy playing the Doctor that's at least older than me.
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Dr. Weird on September 23, 2013, 08:08:26 pm
http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Peter_Capaldi

Quote
During the Jon Pertwee years of Doctor Who, Capaldi sent scripts to the production office. Barry Letts began a correspondence with Capaldi, which eventually resulted in an invitation for the youngster to visit BBC Television Centre. Capaldi met Letts, Terrance Dicks and Pertwee. He later cited the incident as formative to his career as a professional actor, writer and director. (BBC DVD: The Monster of Peladon)

I read that and I just about whooped out loud.  That is do darn cool.

Forty years later, Capaldi is sorta the next Jon Pertwee in many ways.  I personally go back and forth between Pertwee and Sylvester McCoy for second favorite Doctor (Tom Baker's still #1), so yeah, I feel even more that the role is in good hands.
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: SpaceProg on September 23, 2013, 09:39:35 pm
Amazing how things work out, isn't it?  That's pretty darn cool.
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Dakota Bob on September 24, 2013, 10:39:11 am
He also sent a fan letter to the Radio Times (http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2013-08-05/peter-capaldis-doctor-who-letter-to-radio-times) when he was 15.

EDIT: Listening to The Chimes of Midnight, goddamnit this is creepy. shame these audio plays are so expensive, I'd get a whole load of these.
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Thejebusfire on September 24, 2013, 11:34:57 pm
This has nothing to do with the conversation, but I just wanted to share this really badass picture of David Tennant:

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-w8whmnfnsxw/Uj9yimyLMCI/AAAAAAAAHgI/Z_Bptehlx44/s640/FrightNight05.jpg)
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: SpaceProg on September 24, 2013, 11:52:12 pm
Is that from Fright Night?

Edit: You ever notice that Tennant has a perpetually raised eyebrow?
Edit2: Ooh, I've seen that shirt he's got on here and there.  Pretty cool.  Dragons rock.
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Shane for Wax on September 25, 2013, 12:23:39 am
It is from Fright Night and I still wish to see it no matter how bad it might be simply because Tennant is oh so nummy in it from what I've seen in screenshots.
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Thejebusfire on September 27, 2013, 01:43:04 am
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/3ce638e2ff5245df176656c17492a09e/tumblr_mtrcs6dnKy1shsql9o1_500.jpg)

Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: SpaceProg on September 27, 2013, 02:50:50 am
LOL Eleven has my face exactly when all that was going on.
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: RavynousHunter on September 27, 2013, 08:27:05 am
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/3ce638e2ff5245df176656c17492a09e/tumblr_mtrcs6dnKy1shsql9o1_500.jpg)

Who was conceived when your two best friends screwed in what amounts to your house on their wedding night.
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Thejebusfire on September 27, 2013, 02:06:27 pm
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/eb6c7e2490ba613c95cfdb1ba28563fc/tumblr_mnhdo1k0h31s5wmsdo1_250.gif) (http://31.media.tumblr.com/35a26b11e61262416342580bef143207/tumblr_mnhdo1k0h31s5wmsdo2_250.gif)
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/882bef0ec20c04913430d2641fe10ada/tumblr_mnhdo1k0h31s5wmsdo3_250.gif) (http://25.media.tumblr.com/7e3dca0748d1a973eb64f2b08a2661db/tumblr_mnhdo1k0h31s5wmsdo4_r4_250.gif)

I'm laughing so hard at this right now. I think I need to reevaluate my life choices.
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Shane for Wax on September 28, 2013, 10:28:00 am
(http://31.media.tumblr.com/594e1f0d2e9aab75cefdf3ceabeb7114/tumblr_mtsqf7tARQ1qbl6qfo1_250.gif)(http://24.media.tumblr.com/39be876cf914977972914714bdd7f155/tumblr_mtsqf7tARQ1qbl6qfo2_250.gif)
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/92550499473e56a7e37c3317d1eb06ec/tumblr_mtsqf7tARQ1qbl6qfo6_250.gif)(http://25.media.tumblr.com/96d3ca419b15411790c49c9218135334/tumblr_mtsqf7tARQ1qbl6qfo3_250.gif)
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/f3037ffff69686f442deabdd1b1c712c/tumblr_mtsqf7tARQ1qbl6qfo4_250.gif)(http://25.media.tumblr.com/f40d0e04c85137045b11992a662fd000/tumblr_mtsqf7tARQ1qbl6qfo5_250.gif)
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Ghoti on September 28, 2013, 11:24:04 am
It is from Fright Night and I still wish to see it no matter how bad it might be simply because Tennant is oh so nummy in it from what I've seen in screenshots.
I've seen it, and Tennant is the only truly interesting part. The rest is mediocre but not unwatchable.
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Shane for Wax on September 28, 2013, 04:56:46 pm
I'll have to track it down.

Also the Day of the Doctor has a teaser trailer and an official hashtag 'savetheday' because nobody would ever use that ever for anything else oh wait.
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Thejebusfire on September 28, 2013, 05:41:15 pm
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/da03342759776ad49522eb72c96ea54e/tumblr_mr12psgIyf1qcwhkeo1_500.gif)

(http://31.media.tumblr.com/5538493137003c847b51e5430debe53d/tumblr_mr12psgIyf1qcwhkeo2_500.gif)


Also, where has Carole been hiding the fountain of youth?
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Dakota Bob on September 29, 2013, 05:59:00 am
BBC satire panel show Have I Got News For You recently released a DW-themed trailer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e58GogKsXmA
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Dakota Bob on October 01, 2013, 07:44:18 pm
50th anniversary special will be simulcast in over 75 countries! (http://www.doctorwho.tv/whats-new/article/50th-anniversary-to-be-simulcast-in-over-75-countries-and-cinemas) I am officially hype now, I can watch it live! The "hundreds of cinemas across the world" statement intrigues me, crossing my fingers it comes here, I can only imagine what it would be like to see it on the big screen...
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Thejebusfire on October 02, 2013, 12:33:55 pm
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/2707b43c56607c32838fb3b425734417/tumblr_mtlncwrUeZ1qikjlio1_500.png)

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/26efbcc9b5116a56e0e2ac05ea26cc3a/tumblr_mtlncwrUeZ1qikjlio2_500.png)
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Dakota Bob on October 02, 2013, 05:01:11 pm
Not sure who makes these, but they're pretty funny.
(http://i.imgur.com/HLnQOJr.png)
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: SpaceProg on October 02, 2013, 07:07:45 pm
LOL the bowtie one made me haha.
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Thejebusfire on October 03, 2013, 01:30:14 am
It's from Paintdoktahwho and the full version is hilarious:

http://paintdoktahwho.tumblr.com/post/57365516499/paintdoktahwho-11s-regeneration-into-12
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: TheL on October 04, 2013, 05:33:12 pm
Reading a Doctor Who novel (Wheel of Ice) while waiting for November.

It's 2nd Doctor.  :)
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: SpaceProg on October 04, 2013, 08:03:35 pm
^Who are his companions?  I'm assuming Jamie is one.
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Dr. Weird on October 05, 2013, 03:00:38 pm
According to the Doctor Who wiki, Zoe's in it.  More spoilers (if you want them) here:

http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/The_Wheel_of_Ice_%28novel%29

Hearing about Doctor Who novels takes me back.  I had about fifty of those Target Books novelizations of the original series;  I really need to dig those back up.  I probably last read them about twenty years ago.
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: SpaceProg on October 05, 2013, 06:04:12 pm
I have a gob of those novelizations.  They were among the first 'real' books (just text, no pictures) I read when I was little.  Some of them were quite true to their source material, and others took some flights of fancy.   Pretty much it's the only way I got to know what happened in the lost eps before they started doing reconstructions with the cartoons and all.

EDIT:  Oooh Doctor Who Wiki...   I thought about going there, but I didn't want to spoil myself.  There's a LOT of things I've not read or listened to when it comes to the novels and the audios.
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Dakota Bob on October 08, 2013, 12:16:33 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/lYyMC3Q.gif)

So it turns out those rumours of episodes being recovered from Africa may have just been confirmed (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-24448063).

On a scale of 1 to 10, how happy are you, and what episodes do you hope they recovered?

Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: SpaceProg on October 08, 2013, 04:37:58 pm
O to the MG.  10 in the Happiness.   I don't care which eps it is.  Finding anything useable this day and age is just plain awesome, really.
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Dakota Bob on October 10, 2013, 06:51:17 pm
They found all of The Enemy of the World and all but episode 3 of The Web of Fear, apparently they've already been put up on iTunes!
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Thejebusfire on October 13, 2013, 01:54:42 am
I interrupt this thread to bring you (a very young) Tom Baker looking awesome in a robe:

(http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lioleiGm4C1qirwa1o1_400.jpg)

That is all.
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: SpaceProg on October 13, 2013, 03:10:19 am
Dang... where did you find that pic?  Tombaker.com or sommat?
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Shane for Wax on October 13, 2013, 03:37:19 am
He looks like someone (else, obviously) but I can't put my finger on it... Urgh...

Bah. Either way, good find!
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Thejebusfire on October 13, 2013, 03:38:34 am
He has various photo albums on his official website.

http://www.tom-baker.co.uk/pages/js_gallery/index.asp?gid=4

He also has pictures of all his adorable pet cats.
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Shane for Wax on October 13, 2013, 03:42:10 am
I feel like a bad fan cause I can name the actors for the New Who doctors and companions but not the old Who. :( I still can't keep the fourth and fifth doctors straight despite me saying they're my favorite.
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: SpaceProg on October 13, 2013, 04:08:17 am
Aww... Tom likes his kitties.  I'd like to have a pint or three with him.  Probably will only happen in the great beyond though.

That young Tom pic on the previous page looks like he belongs in Harry Potter.
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Thejebusfire on October 14, 2013, 12:09:33 am
It's from one of his earliest roles, Romeo in "Romeo and Juliet." According to him "Juliet hated me, because I had a cold sore."

Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Dakota Bob on October 15, 2013, 02:52:25 pm
After watching "Enemy of the World", Troughton has quickly shot up the rankings of my favorite Doctor. the final scene of Salamander confronting the Doctor was fuckin' fantastic.
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Shane for Wax on October 17, 2013, 05:37:50 am
Anyone else feel like the 'physics physics physics' scene from "School Reunion" is the Doctor imparting Time Lord knowledge but there are no words in the English language for the TARDIS to properly translate? And the TARDIS just gave up when it came to "Blink" so all we got was 'this is my timey-wimey detector. It goes ding when there's stuff".
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Ghoti on October 17, 2013, 12:44:05 pm
Anyone else feel like the 'physics physics physics' scene from "School Reunion" is the Doctor imparting Time Lord knowledge but there are no words in the English language for the TARDIS to properly translate? And the TARDIS just gave up when it came to "Blink" so all we got was 'this is my timey-wimey detector. It goes ding when there's stuff".
o_o
0_0
O_O
HEADCANON ACCEPTED
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: RavynousHunter on October 17, 2013, 12:59:20 pm
Anyone else feel like the 'physics physics physics' scene from "School Reunion" is the Doctor imparting Time Lord knowledge but there are no words in the English language for the TARDIS to properly translate? And the TARDIS just gave up when it came to "Blink" so all we got was 'this is my timey-wimey detector. It goes ding when there's stuff".
o_o
0_0
O_O
HEADCANON ACCEPTED


I always thought that almost 1,000 years of time travel had driven the Doctor mildly insane.  Not to mention the hellish war of which he was a part.
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Shane for Wax on October 17, 2013, 01:43:33 pm
Anyone else feel like the 'physics physics physics' scene from "School Reunion" is the Doctor imparting Time Lord knowledge but there are no words in the English language for the TARDIS to properly translate? And the TARDIS just gave up when it came to "Blink" so all we got was 'this is my timey-wimey detector. It goes ding when there's stuff".
o_o
0_0
O_O
HEADCANON ACCEPTED


Aww yee.

There's also the theory that oxygen at the levels on Earth makes the Doctor a wee bit high which accounts for his behavior.
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: SpaceProg on October 17, 2013, 02:51:37 pm
No wonder Earth is his favourite planet.


Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Thejebusfire on October 17, 2013, 03:42:31 pm
Anyone else feel like the 'physics physics physics' scene from "School Reunion" is the Doctor imparting Time Lord knowledge but there are no words in the English language for the TARDIS to properly translate? And the TARDIS just gave up when it came to "Blink" so all we got was 'this is my timey-wimey detector. It goes ding when there's stuff".
o_o
0_0
O_O
HEADCANON ACCEPTED


Aww yee.

There's also the theory that oxygen at the levels on Earth makes the Doctor a wee bit high which accounts for his behavior.

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/4f22a4e3167fdeb8ff0e10d8791ec0c7/tumblr_msm37obMim1qkz1v9o1_500.jpg)
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Shane for Wax on October 19, 2013, 03:44:27 pm
It does explain a lot.

50th Anniversary tribute!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0AX8rgJ8f0
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: TheL on October 20, 2013, 12:00:31 pm
It does explain a lot.

50th Anniversary tribute!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0AX8rgJ8f0

*fangasm*
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: RavynousHunter on October 20, 2013, 12:31:33 pm
It does explain a lot.

50th Anniversary tribute!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0AX8rgJ8f0

...I CAME.
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Dakota Bob on October 21, 2013, 07:46:28 am
Oh shit that's a great trailer. only 32 days now, get hype!
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: I am lizard on October 21, 2013, 07:20:50 pm
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/a2b03e0dcca21c38936b2a446b59eeda/tumblr_mutqkm3AXI1skk2dso1_500.jpg)
(http://static.fjcdn.com/pictures/TimeLordConfessions.+Found+on+Facebook_55b186_4584717.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/xpQrndm.jpg)
(http://images6.fanpop.com/image/photos/35000000/Time-Lord-Problems-D-doctor-who-35051329-500-286.jpg)
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: SpaceProg on October 21, 2013, 07:28:33 pm
Cute.  Especially the River Song one.
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Thejebusfire on October 24, 2013, 01:54:25 am
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/733b93b6469939829bd7dcbc4796cf28/tumblr_mo03rfb4ZS1qikjlio1_500.png)

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/b2d197557667d5e6d6ac6a3065bbb97a/tumblr_mpw6tvYoI51qikjlio2_500.png)

(http://24.media.tumblr.com/837aef154926a08b016eeaf8ca18b52c/tumblr_mpw6tvYoI51qikjlio4_r1_500.png)

(http://24.media.tumblr.com/94f3845db7b6028fc2b66638271d95e6/tumblr_mpw6tvYoI51qikjlio3_500.png)

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/6a1fae1b7bc20b02eeb7bfe2624b181a/tumblr_mqgun0JPCB1qikjlio1_500.png)

I will stop spamming now.
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Dakota Bob on October 25, 2013, 06:27:30 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/7bZSKKZ.jpg)
Friendly reminder that if you haven't seen Enemy of the World and Web of Fear yet, you kinda should.
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Thejebusfire on October 26, 2013, 12:39:46 am
Here is a list of the American cities that "The Day of the Doctor" is showing at. Unfortunately it's rather short:

http://tennantnews.blogspot.com/2013/10/usa-theatrical-screening-details-for.html
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: SpaceProg on October 26, 2013, 12:55:34 am
(http://i.imgur.com/7bZSKKZ.jpg)

Cute pic, but... Um... Why is Two a cat? (Forgive the ignorance, as the only thing I know about this parody image is it's based off My Neighbor Totoro... which I know next to nothing about other than the title).
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Dakota Bob on October 26, 2013, 02:15:51 pm
Haven't seen the actual film in ages, but the main character was a cat-thing so I guess it made sense for the image to make the Doctor a cat.
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: SpaceProg on October 26, 2013, 02:55:12 pm
Ah, okay.  Fair 'nuff.
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Thejebusfire on October 26, 2013, 11:49:25 pm
(click to show/hide)

I can't decide what's funnier, the question mark stencil or Four's creeper face.
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: SpaceProg on October 27, 2013, 03:05:20 am
LOL!  Funny stuff!

Where's Six's kitty pin? 

Gotta say: It takes a special combination of class, skill, and weirdness to pull off a decorative vegetable.  I think only Five had the perfect celery balance.   
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Thejebusfire on October 27, 2013, 11:56:34 pm
On a more serious note, I watched "Midnight" last night. It's a brilliant and somewhat scary episode. It really shows how easily people will resort to murder just to save our own asses.
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: SpaceProg on October 28, 2013, 12:59:52 am
Midnight is awesome.  Amazing how something you can't see can be so frikkin' creepy because of it.

There were two monsters in that episode.  The one outside, and human nature.
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Shane for Wax on October 28, 2013, 10:08:10 am
I love Midnight so much.
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Dakota Bob on October 28, 2013, 08:17:29 pm
I have various quibbles with RTD's episode writing, but he really did hit it out the ballpark with that one.

EDIT: Doctor Who facebook page has an app up that allows you to put your face (or anything from a picture) into the titles sequence, here's mine.]http://www.savethedaywhoiscoming.com/invite/881465]here's mine. (http://www.savethedaywhoiscoming.com/invite/881465)
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Shane for Wax on October 31, 2013, 07:11:18 am
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/1f04215c3080fd160d4589594fba68d0/tumblr_mvar2kg3Ss1qkz1v9o1_500.jpg)

(http://24.media.tumblr.com/78cfcc725271338c35ebc8b581317cdb/tumblr_muxh7gBYMr1qkz1v9o1_500.jpg)

(http://31.media.tumblr.com/53fdbe956de4fe95d64b7759acea3cb1/tumblr_muxbvir2U31qkz1v9o1_500.jpg)
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: SpaceProg on October 31, 2013, 02:01:49 pm
I thought it was The Beard of Evil (tm).
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Shane for Wax on November 02, 2013, 03:04:49 pm
If anyone is wondering about future products, Thinkgeek has a couple on a sneak peek basis and it includes a snowglobe and a Christmas ornament.
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Dakota Bob on November 07, 2013, 02:47:53 pm
New 50th trailer debuting this saturday! (https://twitter.com/bbcdoctorwho/status/398395100599836672)
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: m52nickerson on November 10, 2013, 09:45:13 am
...and here it is!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xS1cNjJSGQs
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Dakota Bob on November 10, 2013, 12:04:37 pm
And the longer version!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7z6FMCqYrBo
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Dakota Bob on November 14, 2013, 07:47:56 am
OH MY GOD YOU GUYS
YOU NEED TO WATCH THE RECENTLY RELEASED MINISODE! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-U3jrS-uhuo)

(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: SpaceProg on November 14, 2013, 01:53:53 pm
I had a feeling.  I just had a feeling they'd somehow get him in there.

I am a happy Whovian.
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Shane for Wax on November 14, 2013, 07:00:20 pm
I think I might have to buy this beautiful tome (http://www.amazon.com/Doctor-Who-Vault-Treasures-First/dp/0062280635).
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Thejebusfire on November 15, 2013, 12:32:08 am
OH MY GOD YOU GUYS
YOU NEED TO WATCH THE RECENTLY RELEASED MINISODE! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-U3jrS-uhuo)

(click to show/hide)

(http://media.tumblr.com/e6bf48b50d52df27d71f3a90dc443ad1/tumblr_reply_mltqa8NTbb1qcdhp1.gif)
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Dakota Bob on November 18, 2013, 06:49:34 pm
Oh damn, the 50th is this week! how is everybody going to watch it? it's being simulcast on TV here in Finland although I'm not sure if it'll be on a HD channel or not. So hype, especially for the return of the
(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Shane for Wax on November 22, 2013, 01:42:36 pm
Peter Davison confirms involvement in 50th (http://www.combom.co.uk/2013/11/peter-davison-confirms-some-involvement.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook). This is not a drill.
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Thejebusfire on November 22, 2013, 03:19:20 pm
I'll have to find somewhere to watch it online as the only station that shows Dr Who here is public access channel and I doubt they'll be showing it.
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Iczerfour on November 22, 2013, 04:14:01 pm
the 50th episode im going to watch it. 

The DVD Recorder is primed and ready! i repeat! it is Primed and Ready!
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Post by: IanC on November 22, 2013, 05:09:06 pm
Has anyone seen An Adventure in Space and Time? It was great tribute to the people who made the show a reality all those years ago.

I have cinema tickets to see The Day of the Doctor in 3D. Cant wait.
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Post by: ironbite on November 22, 2013, 05:48:31 pm
We might actually be able to get a 1st Doctor if they use the guy they got for Adventure in Space and Time.

Ironbite-seriously he's a dead ringer for Hartnell.
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Post by: Dakota Bob on November 22, 2013, 08:07:23 pm
Has anyone seen An Adventure in Space and Time? It was great tribute to the people who made the show a reality all those years ago.

I have cinema tickets to see The Day of the Doctor in 3D. Cant wait.

Loved it, lots of feels towards the end.
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Post by: Thejebusfire on November 22, 2013, 11:04:12 pm


I have cinema tickets to see The Day of the Doctor in 3D. Cant wait.

Jealous.
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Post by: Carnotaurus on November 23, 2013, 01:02:02 am
We might actually be able to get a 1st Doctor if they use the guy they got for Adventure in Space and Time.

Ironbite-seriously he's a dead ringer for Hartnell.

Yeah, he is! That's David Bradley, the guy who played Filch in Harry Potter.

An Adventure in Space and Time was a great movie. Loved seeing behind the scenes in Who's early days, and then it topped off with a two-fisted emotional nutpunch.

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Post by: Thejebusfire on November 23, 2013, 02:39:47 am
Guys, check out the Google Doodle.
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Post by: SpaceProg on November 23, 2013, 06:16:01 am
^Aw poop.  You beat me to it.  It's awesome as hell.
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Post by: RavynousHunter on November 23, 2013, 09:53:30 am
They'll have it streaming on BBC America's site at 2:30pm Eastern.  WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH!
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Post by: Dakota Bob on November 23, 2013, 12:48:05 pm
Got my comfy blanket and assorted snacks, gonna be watching this bad boy on the telly box! (sadly not in HD, though)
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Post by: JohnE on November 23, 2013, 04:16:57 pm
Just finished watching it. So good!

Major spoilers ahead!
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Post by: Iczerfour on November 23, 2013, 04:19:22 pm
Just finished watching it. So good!

Major spoilers ahead!
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finished it also.. 


Gallifrey Lives!
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Post by: ironbite on November 23, 2013, 04:21:37 pm
It was magical.

Ironbite-and now we know what the 12's storyline is gonna be.
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Post by: SpaceProg on November 23, 2013, 04:26:07 pm
I had a Whogasm...

*Hugs the "Curator"*

Hey, I'm old school, what can I say?
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Post by: m52nickerson on November 23, 2013, 04:37:37 pm
"The Doctors are here...all thirteen!"
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Post by: Alehksunos on November 23, 2013, 05:04:38 pm
Did You Know? Gaming:

The current Google logo is presented by Phil Fish. That's right, the same egotistical fuckwit who confirmed then cancelled the sequel to Fez in a series of tweets laced with homophobic slurs. And also, pretentious pixel-art graphics.
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Post by: ironbite on November 23, 2013, 05:06:03 pm
Ok and we're supposed to do what with that information?
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Post by: Thejebusfire on November 23, 2013, 05:17:53 pm
I've been doing homework all day so I missed it. :(
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Post by: SpaceProg on November 23, 2013, 05:52:49 pm
If you're in the US, they'll show it again on BBCA I think 7pm or so.  There's bound to be youtube and other leaks too.  I daresay you'll see it somehow. 

RESPECT THE CURATOR!  He's the Doctor's biggest fan after all...  *....Hugs the Curator again*
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Post by: Thejebusfire on November 23, 2013, 05:57:00 pm
I don't have a TV, but I'll keep an eye out for it online.
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Post by: Dakota Bob on November 23, 2013, 06:36:13 pm
All I can say is wow. Mega hyped for Christmas Special and Series 8!
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Post by: TheL on November 24, 2013, 09:19:19 am
Has anyone seen An Adventure in Space and Time? It was great tribute to the people who made the show a reality all those years ago.

I have cinema tickets to see The Day of the Doctor in 3D. Cant wait.

I saw it.  ALL OF THE FEELS <3

And I'm waiting until Monday night's 3D showing to see Day of the Doctor.  NOBODY SPOIL ME.
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Post by: RavynousHunter on November 24, 2013, 10:58:25 am
I can't wait...

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Post by: Patches on November 24, 2013, 06:11:47 pm
Also, all the surviving Classic Era Doctors who weren't in the 50th got together and said, "You know what?  We're gonna make our OWN 50th Anniversary Special!  With blackjack!  And hookers!"

Well, no blackjack and hookers, but I was laughing through the entire thing: The Five(ish) Doctors - Reboot (http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p01m3kfy)

Seriously amazed at how many people they managed to get to cameo in this.
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Post by: ironbite on November 24, 2013, 06:50:05 pm
Uh...technically they had a hooker.

They got Barrowman.

Ironbite-they dude is worse then Mischa Collins at cons.
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Post by: Thejebusfire on November 25, 2013, 02:02:03 am
I just found a site I could stream the 50th on!

I just finished it and I'm so happy because...


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Post by: SpaceProg on November 25, 2013, 04:13:42 am
Now we can hug the Curator together!

;D  *Does so*
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Post by: Thejebusfire on November 26, 2013, 02:38:50 am
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I lost it at this part.


*It doesn't spoil anything but if anyone wants me to hide this I can.
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Post by: SpaceProg on November 26, 2013, 03:38:24 am
Nah.   It doesn't really spoil any surprises or plot points.  I laughed then too. :) 

I hope it didn't irritate you that I spoilered that up there as I actually assumed you were meaning to spoiler the tag anyway and accidentally quoted.  I just didn't want anyone who'd not seen it (Like L up there), to miss the awesome feels of THAT moment between The Doctor and...


EDIT:  Oh and I rather like your Six sig.  :)
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Post by: Shane for Wax on November 27, 2013, 12:04:19 am
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Post by: SpaceProg on November 27, 2013, 04:22:16 am
It'll probably be dealt with later, since it's rare to have any purely 'stand alone' episodes of DW these days.  It's all Whedony.  Some things seem to be planned way in advance, and yet still, other things seem to happen right off the top of the head.   It's weird.

I know how you feel about Eleven, Booker, but I'll still miss him, like I did Ten before him, and Nine before him and so on and so forth.

I'm sure Capaldi will bring his own best and I'll have reasons to like him too.  Like I do all the Doctors, really.  I don't really dislike any of them.
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Cloud3514 on November 27, 2013, 04:44:35 am
So I saw a comment on Facebook where someone was bitching about how Moffat writing Day of the Doctor ruined it and that Russell T. Davies would have made it less "cartoony."

This makes me wonder: Was I watching the same show as the Davies defenders? Because "cartoony" is definitely a better way to describe his run than Moffat's. At the very least, Moffat hasn't written or at least been partially responsible for some of the worst Doctor Who in the show's entire history (specifically, Love and Monsters, Fear Her, Daleks in Manhattan/Evolution of the Daleks, Voyage of the Damned and The End of Time, especially the ending).
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Shane for Wax on November 27, 2013, 05:02:28 am
It'll probably be dealt with later, since it's rare to have any purely 'stand alone' episodes of DW these days.  It's all Whedony.  Some things seem to be planned way in advance, and yet still, other things seem to happen right off the top of the head.   It's weird.

I know how you feel about Eleven, Booker, but I'll still miss him, like I did Ten before him, and Nine before him and so on and so forth.

I'm sure Capaldi will bring his own best and I'll have reasons to like him too.  Like I do all the Doctors, really.  I don't really dislike any of them.

We all have our preferences. If you like Eleven that's peachy keen with me. I just may end up being one of the only ones to have a preference for 5, 9, and 10 (with the possibility of 12).

Though I am interested to know if this means that the Doctor has already hit his quote en quote regeneration limit. I know that the limit was technically retconned but it's still interesting.

In other news, have the new official Christmas and Capaldi posters:

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Also, as for the Davies versus Moffat I heard a lot of people were mad because Rose wasn't really Rose. Rose wasn't Moffat's. Rose was Davies's. I'm sure if Rose had been Rose people would have been mad about that, too. They should be glad that Rose had such an impact on the Doctor that the Moment chose Rose as her form.

Which brings me to my next point:
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Post by: SpaceProg on November 27, 2013, 05:57:29 am
^Five's one of my top faves.  Actually I think it's why I like Eleven so much is some aspects of him remind me of Five.  Both bring more of a "humany-wumany" factor to the Doctor.

I like Four a lot, and I saw quite a bit of that in Eleven too, and Ten. 

As an aside, to me, every incarnation is unique, but also reminiscent of a past one or two since his core personality traits shift in dominance, but never really disappear.  The Doctor is still The Doctor no matter what face he has.  Essentially the same person.   

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Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Shane for Wax on November 27, 2013, 07:15:29 am
The Corsair chose a female form. So. It is possible. As well as you become what you need at the time. Hence the War Doctor.
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Post by: SpaceProg on November 27, 2013, 07:24:36 am
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Post by: Shane for Wax on November 27, 2013, 07:27:16 am
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Post by: SpaceProg on November 27, 2013, 07:36:28 am
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Post by: Dakota Bob on November 27, 2013, 07:43:33 am
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Well if you've taken a glance at supposedly "leaked" spoilers then...
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Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Shane for Wax on November 27, 2013, 09:22:39 am
Someone told me that River gave up some of her regenerations to the Doctor and tbh I kinda didn't see that part so I dunno.
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Carnotaurus on November 27, 2013, 10:27:11 am
Someone told me that River gave up some of her regenerations to the Doctor and tbh I kinda didn't see that part so I dunno.

It was in Let's Kill Hitler. She tried to assassinate him, he talked her into a heel-face turn, and she gave up the rest of her remaining regenerations to save his life.

Has the Doctor ever said he only has 12/13 regenerations? From what I understand, that was a limit the Time Lords imposed on themselves, and the Doctor said in the Sarah Jane Adventures that he has something like 503 left.
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: RavynousHunter on November 27, 2013, 12:09:32 pm
Then again, one could easily turn around and say that nothing straight from the primary show itself is canon.  That's likely not the case, but still, the possibility is there.

Also, it may be that...

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Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Askold on November 27, 2013, 11:37:57 pm
Well I just watched the Day of the Doctor and it was pretty good. My only complaint is this:

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Post by: JohnE on November 27, 2013, 11:53:51 pm
Well I just watched the Day of the Doctor and it was pretty good. My only complaint is this:

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Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Askold on November 28, 2013, 12:33:30 am
Well I just watched the Day of the Doctor and it was pretty good. My only complaint is this:

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Post by: Cloud3514 on November 28, 2013, 04:34:26 am
Well I just watched the Day of the Doctor and it was pretty good. My only complaint is this:

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Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: m52nickerson on November 28, 2013, 07:46:50 am
Moffat has said something very interesting about the current Doctor....

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Post by: TheL on November 28, 2013, 10:55:13 am
Day of the Doctor was everything I'd hoped it would be. <3
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Shane for Wax on November 28, 2013, 11:28:27 am
Well... the Regeneration Limit was mentioned in Classic Who and a few sparse moments in New Who and then recanted by Neil Gaiman and the rest of the writers (Davies/Moffat). The Doctor never said anything about his max number. Simply that there was a limit. He did however sometimes mention what regeneration he was on. But, as we saw with Time Lord Victorious, with the Doctor being 'the last of the Time Lords' there aren't any rules anymore (or at the very least nobody to enforce the rules). The Doctor simply chooses to follow the rules laid down by Rassilon and the other Time Lords. And he imposed his own rules on himself for the safety of those around him. Paraphrased: "A good person doesn't need rules. You will soon learn why I have so many."

Along with that, the Master broke the so-called regeneration limit before the Doctor was close to it. Therefore it isn't necessarily a biological limit but more of a rule. Some people even say that John Simm was the Master's 15th form (but not necessarily regeneration number).

And then there's the fact of when you start counting. After the first regeneration or when you're born.

In regards to the Day of the Doctor, there still isn't much of an explanation for where the Master and Rassilon even are, or were, on the last day of the Last Great Time War. They were both there. The Master fled from the battle. This has been established many times in the show. Even if we account for wibbly wobbly and the star, there should have been something dealing with both of them. But I'm biased, probably.

As for Eccleston, he turned down the role with an explanation of it interrupting filming for Thor. But that couldn't really be true because Thor ended filming as the 50th was starting. There has been some rumors about why Chris only had one season which includes the fact that he didn't get along with the crew and Davies. And vice versa. And with that still hanging around, he declined to be in the 50th because the people he didn't get along with were still involved. It doesn't mean he didn't care about the show itself. Simply that the experience would have been tainted.

“I thought to remain, which would have made me a lot of money and given me huge visibility, the price I would have had to pay was to eat a lot of shit. I’m not being funny about that. I didn’t want to do that and it comes to the art of it, in a way. I feel that if you run your career and– we are vulnerable as actors and we are constantly humiliating ourselves auditioning. But if you allow that to go on, on a grand scale you will lose whatever it is about you and it will be present in your work." -Chris Eccleston
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Askold on November 28, 2013, 11:33:03 am
I remember reading from somewhere that the number of regenerations the Doctor is messed up due to TARDIS. Apparently TARDIS is special and due to his connection with it he has more regenerations than regular Time lords.

I think it was in some computer quiz I had about British shows like Dr. Who, Monty Python and Red dwarf. (At the time I had only watched Monty Python so I downloaded the quiz for that but tried the others as well.)
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Shane for Wax on November 28, 2013, 11:53:28 am
You mean his specific TARDIS? Because the Master had a TARDIS, too. As well as a whole slew of other Time Lords. The TARDIS of the Doctor isn't a one of a kind ship.
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: RavynousHunter on November 28, 2013, 02:10:05 pm
You mean his specific TARDIS? Because the Master had a TARDIS, too. As well as a whole slew of other Time Lords. The TARDIS of the Doctor isn't a one of a kind ship.

Maybe, but it most certainly has a one-of-a-kind personality.
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Askold on November 28, 2013, 02:32:22 pm
You mean his specific TARDIS? Because the Master had a TARDIS, too. As well as a whole slew of other Time Lords. The TARDIS of the Doctor isn't a one of a kind ship.

Maybe, but it most certainly has a one-of-a-kind personality.
I think it was that. But it was years ago when I read that tidbit and it might have been just fanon since the quiz was unnofficial. I just assumed that it had the facts straight but now after checking some wikis I can't find anything like it.
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Shane for Wax on November 28, 2013, 03:40:53 pm
All TARDISes are organic and sentient to a point, though, so each tends to have their own personality to a degree.

Oh, and as for how many people saw Day of the Doctor on its original airing:

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Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: SpaceProg on November 28, 2013, 06:12:50 pm
Funny thing about the TARDIS anagram.  It was originally thought up by Susan, the Doctor's granddaughter, and TARDISes were called "Time Capsules" or "Capsules" by the other Time Lords.   Then, somehow, somewhen, it became THE name for all Time Lord time-and-space travelling vehicles.  Kinda like Coke in the South (Georgia in particular) for any canned/bottled carbonated beverage.

EDIT:  Oh, and the Doctor's TARDIS is female.  She's a "She".  Not an it.  Respect her personal choices! ;)

Silly little Town Called Mercy reference.
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Shane for Wax on November 28, 2013, 08:25:28 pm
The First Doctor actually claimed to have heard that acronym before Susan ever said it. But Time Lords are tricksy Gallifreyans.

Other Time Lords tended to use TT capsule (I think it meant Time Travel capsule).

What I want to know is which is correct Time and Relative Dimension in Space or Time and Relative Dimensions in Space. And I wonder if the 12th Doctor might outfit the TARDIS to become a war TARDIS. He might need it.

Wow, I am blabby today about shit nobody cares about.
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: SpaceProg on November 28, 2013, 09:32:50 pm
Hey, I care about it.  I loves me some Who talk.

In the comics there was a picture of a battle TARDIS.  Looked sort of like a capsule-ized version of a tank, green in color, armed with guns and stuff.   I only saw them in one comic, but I don't really consider the comics canon, though if anyone else does, it's cool.

As for "Dimension" and "Dimensions",  I've heard both for ages.  I think they're pretty much interchangeable. 

I kinda wish UNIT still stood what it used to stand for (United Nations Intelligence Task-force).  But upon the rebirth and continuation of DW, the actual United Nations said they didn't want any part of their name on there.   Guess if they didn't care back in the day, they care now.

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Post by: Shane for Wax on November 28, 2013, 10:09:42 pm
Battle TARDISes, my bad. Not war. But the battle TARDISes were also mentioned in the audios which apparently are more canon than the comics.

Supposedly all of the actual Battle TARDISes were destroyed on the final day of the Second Great Time War. So the Doctor  would definitely have to convert his.

And Dimensions sounds better than Dimension.
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Post by: SpaceProg on November 28, 2013, 11:12:29 pm
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And Dimensions sounds better than Dimension.

I agree 100%.  That's the word I've always used.  Heck, he's been to more than one dimension/universe/whatever before (E-Space, Hyperspace,  Rickey not Mickey Space) in the TARDIS, so a plural would make more sense.  Meh, whatever.
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Post by: Shane for Wax on November 30, 2013, 04:41:25 am
Whichever really. Neither one seems to be absolutely correct. It just depends on the person. One of the few times something can be left up to interpretation.

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Re: The Five(ish) Doctors Reboot

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I'm wondering how long the BBC and Moffat have held onto that one.
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Askold on December 01, 2013, 02:39:44 am
BTW, I wonder if Eccleston had agreed to come to the "Day of the Doctor" would he have played the role the "War Doctor" had? Or would it have still been a different Doctor fighting in the war?
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Post by: Dakota Bob on December 01, 2013, 07:10:47 am
I don't think so, in "Rose" it's implyed that he recently regenerated.
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: ironbite on December 01, 2013, 08:23:47 am
So that poster...what's zapping the TARDIS?
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Post by: SpaceProg on December 01, 2013, 08:34:58 am
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Haha!  I've always liked Peter Davison's sense of humor.  Very dry and deadpan at times.  The DVDs of the 5th Doctor (Aside from the stories, of course) are awesome for his commentary alone. 

Same with Tom Baker, really... although he tends to ramble around.  Though if you read interviews or his autobiography, that's just the way he is, I guess.  Funny though.

So that poster...what's zapping the TARDIS?
Didn't the Silence suck something or exude some kind of energy from the people that saw them?  I think I remember it happening to Amy and the Doctor..., plus some other character... one of the President's guys?  Memory could be cheating though.
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Dakota Bob on December 01, 2013, 11:21:37 am
I'm pretty sure that is a fan poster.
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Post by: ironbite on December 01, 2013, 02:18:04 pm
Silence?  What's the Silence?
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Post by: Shane for Wax on December 01, 2013, 02:29:03 pm
BTW, I wonder if Eccleston had agreed to come to the "Day of the Doctor" would he have played the role the "War Doctor" had? Or would it have still been a different Doctor fighting in the war?


It was pretty obvious he had recently regenerated into 9. Especially with how he was just finally getting time to look at his ears.
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Post by: SpaceProg on December 01, 2013, 02:33:15 pm
Silence?  What's the Silence?

Wasn't that the name of those Slender Man-looking aliens with suits?  My brain could be farting though, I dunno.
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Post by: ironbite on December 01, 2013, 02:41:24 pm
....you're not getting the joke are you?

Ironbite-what happens when you look away from a Silent?
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: SpaceProg on December 01, 2013, 08:32:53 pm
Ohhh bugger.  Duh...  No I didn't get the joke.  So obvious too.  Bah... Shit and fall back in it. >_<
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Post by: SpaceProg on December 04, 2013, 01:33:17 pm
Doublepost, but worth it.  This is just in case you guys didn't know about this dude and his awe to the some comics. 

http://comics.shipsinker.com/?id=16
It's a story that features Docs 1-10, and pretty much one of the best written and plotted multi-Doc Fan stories I've ever read.

 He's also done other  DW stories (mostly crossovers, but they're VERY well done) which there are links to on the site. 

He's currently up to page 2 of a 50th Anniversary Celebratory comic

http://comics.shipsinker.com/?id=683

The 23 Doctors?   Hmmmmmm.
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Dakota Bob on December 04, 2013, 07:08:00 pm
That dude really captured the personalities of all the doctors perfectly.
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Post by: SpaceProg on December 04, 2013, 10:28:22 pm
Yes indeed.  Rich Morris has got some serious talent.  What happened?  Started on 10 Doctors and the world disappeared until you finished it in one sitting? ;)

At least, that's the effect it had on me.
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Post by: Thejebusfire on December 04, 2013, 11:38:42 pm
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Forgive me if I've already posted this one.
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Dakota Bob on December 05, 2013, 07:32:38 am
Yes indeed.  Rich Morris has got some serious talent.  What happened?  Started on 10 Doctors and the world disappeared until you finished it in one sitting? ;)

At least, that's the effect it had on me.

Went 50 pages before I had to finally go to sleep :P
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: SpaceProg on December 05, 2013, 08:13:41 am
Ah well.  Thank heavens for bookmarks/favorites. ;)
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Shane for Wax on December 05, 2013, 03:26:17 pm
I just about got through all of Martha's episodes in a single day. I'm on Donna's eps now.

I already want the Master to pop up again. I miss him so much.
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Dakota Bob on December 10, 2013, 05:50:55 am
Series 8 won't be split into two parts (http://www.cultbox.co.uk/news/headlines/8681-doctor-who-series-8-wont-be-split-confirms-moffat)

EDIT: Peter Jackson might get to direct an episode down the line (http://www.denofgeek.com/tv/doctor-who/28548/peter-jackson-doctor-who-discussions-kind-of-serious)
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Shane for Wax on December 10, 2013, 07:52:01 am
Dirty Whovian Confession: I ship the Master with the Tenth Doctor oops. Though I do disagree that the scene where the Master is shot and dies is absolute proof of their relationship.
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Dakota Bob on December 11, 2013, 12:22:58 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWwYLlcPekA
Christmas Special trailer is up!
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: ironbite on December 11, 2013, 01:30:25 pm
There's a lot of bits where they show nothing.  Weird.

Ironbite-very weird.
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: SpaceProg on December 11, 2013, 01:41:04 pm
Since my connection sucks ass and probably always will, what day will the Christmas special be on?
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Shane for Wax on December 11, 2013, 02:26:59 pm
Christmas Day. lol

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Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Dakota Bob on December 11, 2013, 02:27:15 pm
Since my connection sucks ass and probably always will, what day will the Christmas special be on?

25th December.
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: SpaceProg on December 11, 2013, 04:19:23 pm
Oh, it'll be on a weekday.  I'm used to expecting DW on a Saturday.
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Dakota Bob on December 13, 2013, 07:14:24 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15YZjf2fvGw

The Making Of video for Day of the Doctor is pretty kewl.
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Shane for Wax on December 18, 2013, 10:19:41 pm
The Youtube Video of Rassilon:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNopKTB6RVw
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Cloud3514 on December 18, 2013, 10:48:55 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15YZjf2fvGw

The Making Of video for Day of the Doctor is pretty kewl.

Saw that in the theater. I can't help but be amused by the fact that Colin Baker narrated it after he had made a rather public fuss about the classic Doctors being excluded from The Day of the Doctor.
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Carnotaurus on December 18, 2013, 11:28:30 pm
I'm somewhat disappointed that Strax's guide to theater etiquette wasn't on the dvd. That sounded really funny.
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Cloud3514 on December 19, 2013, 03:57:14 am
I'm somewhat disappointed that Strax's guide to theater etiquette wasn't on the dvd. That sounded really funny.

Oh, it was. Strax is my favorite side character for a reason.
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: ironbite on December 19, 2013, 01:21:28 pm
I want a spin-off of the Baker Street Trio.

Ironbite-if the universe's biggest sexual being can get a spin-off, the lizard woman from the dawn of time, her wife, and the butler who can't tell gender can get one.
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Shane for Wax on December 19, 2013, 05:19:32 pm
Some stills from the Time of the Doctor:

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Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: SpaceProg on December 19, 2013, 06:17:29 pm
I wonder if this is going to be an onrunning thing since Ten with the Doctor being naked in front of his companion(s).   (I know the previous one was a cloned Ten, but still...)
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Shane for Wax on December 19, 2013, 06:54:11 pm
Idk that was what I was referencing. lol
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Thejebusfire on December 20, 2013, 05:57:42 pm
Three's first episode featured him in the shower, so this isn't the first time The Doctor was nude during an awkward moment.
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: JohnE on December 20, 2013, 06:58:41 pm
Just found out that Billy Piper's going to be at the Doctor Who convention I'm going to in February.
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Cloud3514 on December 20, 2013, 07:17:17 pm
Its a shame that she played possibly the worst character in the show's history.
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: SpaceProg on December 20, 2013, 09:19:47 pm
Three's first episode featured him in the shower, so this isn't the first time The Doctor was nude during an awkward moment.

Oh yeah!  I'd totally forgot about that iconic moment in Spearhead From Space where you get to see Three's Navy tattoo. ;)

It's funny how various folks tried to make that tattoo canon in fics and discussions.  Saying it was from some prison planet, or for a Gallifreyan fraternity or initiation blah blah blah.  Pertwee was in the Royal Navy.   Get over it. :p
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: JohnE on December 21, 2013, 12:27:25 am
I don't get the Rose hate.

ETA: I'm gonna sketch a picture of her and get her to sign it.
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: SpaceProg on December 21, 2013, 12:38:10 am
Cool.  Good luck and hope you have a good time. :)
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Cloud3514 on December 21, 2013, 03:43:25 am
I don't get the Rose hate.

Before I watched season 2, neither did I. Then I watched as all character development she had in season 1 went away and she not only went back to being a bitch to everyone, she became MORE of a bitch. I can forgive her treatment of Mickey and her mother in the first season because it showed room for character development. However, she never changed. She continued to be a complete bitch to everyone. Sarah Jane? Pissy and jealous because she knew the Doctor. Mickey? Pissy because he wasn't the Doctor.

Then she had a needlessly overblown send off that was bigger and more ceremonious than ANY Doctor's send off. Then Davies managed to make the show about her in the next two seasons, first by putting her on such a pedestal that the Doctor spent all of season 3 moping around because Rose was gone. Martha was written to make Rose seem even better by making her obsessed with the Doctor in the same Rose was, but she wasn't as special as Rose.

Then season 4, she NEARLY DESTROYED THE MULTIVERSE because she's a selfish bitch that couldn't stand not being with the Doctor. What does she get in response to NEARLY DESTROYING THE MULTIVERSE? Her own Doctor clone (that she just starts making out with in front of the Doctor) and a happy ending. The Doctor has KILLED people for smaller offenses than that. The only reason these actions didn't make her into a villain (which would have been a really neat twist) is because she's Rose and Rose can't do ANYTHING wrong.
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: SpaceProg on December 21, 2013, 03:53:41 am
I've read a lot of reviews that mention suspicion of Rose being RTD's Mary Sue.   I dunno.  I'm just glad it's moved on, more or less. 
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: RavynousHunter on December 21, 2013, 10:02:44 am
Yeaaaaaaaah, RTD could've done a lot better with Rose during Series 2 and beyond.  I don't mind the Doctor falling in love with someone, even if that someone's a companion.  He's still a thinking person, and thinking folks have needs, and romance is one of the easiest ways to create drama in storytelling.  Hell, I don't mind him obsessing over her so much, either; you love someone, you do tend to obsess just a little bit, and coming hot off the heels of a horrendous, bloody war in which the Doctor was directly responsible for the destruction of billions of lives, it stands to reason that he'd be a little clingy to the good things in life.

However, that still don't excuse her basically becoming a massive asshole to her loved ones, and reappearing in every David Tennant series as a major plot point.  Poor Sarah Jane didn't get such royal treatment.  Amy and Rory don't seem to be getting that treatment, either, which is good.

Then again, one could also argue that 11 learned from the love of 9 and 10, and how it could very well screw him emotionally in the end, and has since decided that such romantic things either weren't for him, weren't appropriate, or just weren't worth the pain, hence why neither Amy and Rory or Clara seem to have gotten that treatment.
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Thejebusfire on December 22, 2013, 03:11:42 pm
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/4227d71dea69a12f0bd154203c5ae154/tumblr_mr8p8dQcTc1qcwhkeo3_500.gif)

Well, that's looking on the bright side.
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: SpaceProg on December 22, 2013, 03:29:18 pm
It did sort of fit with that particular incarnation's personality, though.  LOOK AT ME LOOK AT ME WATCH ME BE AWESOME AND SAVE THE WORLD AND STUFF!

Also...  BASK IN IT, BITCHES!

Though Colin Baker's portrayal in the audios (which I like muchly) is much more like he originally wanted to play the Doctor. 


Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Yla on December 23, 2013, 06:25:59 pm
I think the Doctor/Companion romance thing is played out in all possible variants of unrequitedness, UST, triangles, and stuff by now. I'd like to see the show return to classic Who's approach to romance for a while.
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Shane for Wax on December 23, 2013, 07:05:34 pm
I don't hate Rose. I just don't get why some act like the sun shines out her arse. Or that she is in any way a good role model. Billie Piper herself is grade A tho
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: RavynousHunter on December 23, 2013, 08:31:33 pm
I don't hate Rose. I just don't get why some act like the sun shines out her arse. Or that she is in any way a good role model. Billie Piper herself is grade A tho

There was that whole Top Gear thing, though...
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: JohnE on December 23, 2013, 08:55:41 pm
Paul McGann's gonna be there too!
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: SpaceProg on December 23, 2013, 11:49:40 pm
Awesome!  Tell all the Who-folks that you meet that us geeks back at FQA say howdy. :D
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Dakota Bob on December 24, 2013, 05:56:43 am
Just one more day! then, the long wait for Series 8 begins...
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: SpaceProg on December 24, 2013, 01:54:50 pm
Yep, but at least it's said there won't be a huge ass gap between the two halves of the seasons this time.  If I remember correctly.
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Shane for Wax on December 24, 2013, 03:26:57 pm
I don't hate Rose. I just don't get why some act like the sun shines out her arse. Or that she is in any way a good role model. Billie Piper herself is grade A tho

There was that whole Top Gear thing, though...

Which are you referring? The fact she was wearing a see-thru top or is there some controversy I missed? As far as most actresses go, she's pretty cool.
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: RavynousHunter on December 24, 2013, 03:45:30 pm
I don't hate Rose. I just don't get why some act like the sun shines out her arse. Or that she is in any way a good role model. Billie Piper herself is grade A tho

There was that whole Top Gear thing, though...

Which are you referring? The fact she was wearing a see-thru top or is there some controversy I missed? As far as most actresses go, she's pretty cool.

That she abused it to get her crappy turns excused and not have 'em added to their time.  If I remember correctly, David Tennant mentioned it during his lap.
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Shane for Wax on December 24, 2013, 04:33:08 pm
I didn't hear about her purposely doing it. But eh. It's still pretty minor tbh. Not trying to brush it off or anything.
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: RavynousHunter on December 24, 2013, 04:56:43 pm
Haha, didn't say it was major.  After all, she's not the first woman to use minor sex appeal to get the results she wants.
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Shane for Wax on December 24, 2013, 08:20:06 pm
True. True.

Also my sister saw the book Thunderwulf got me about Doctor Who and apparently she watched the original run??? I?? I did not know this. Weird. So long story short we're probably gonna watch the Christmas special together.
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: SpaceProg on December 24, 2013, 10:41:38 pm
Pretty darn cool, that. :)
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Shane for Wax on December 24, 2013, 11:13:56 pm
Mhm. I just wish it wasn't on at fricking 9pm.
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: SpaceProg on December 24, 2013, 11:25:16 pm
Eh, me too.  I kinda liked when the Day of the Doctor ep aired, but I happened to be lucky and at home then too to be able to see it when everyone else did.

I'm more used to it being 9pm on a weekend, though.   Good thing I've got my DirecTV autotuned.
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Dakota Bob on December 25, 2013, 08:05:59 pm
Just finished watching it.

Wow.

Bring on Capaldi, my body is ready.
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: SpaceProg on December 26, 2013, 02:10:43 am
So now we have 3 Doctors who have "died" of old age.  One, War Doctor, and Ele...Twel...Thir (except that was--) ah whatever-- Eleven.
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Shane for Wax on December 26, 2013, 11:12:05 am
I wasn't too crazy about the episode. It was drawn out more than necessary and just kinda... bland. But awww yiss Capaldi. Can't wait to see what happens.
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: SpaceProg on December 26, 2013, 02:29:32 pm
Yeah, it's been a while since we've had an older actor playing the Doctor (I think he's the same age as when Hartnell started).   It'd be interesting to see how they handle the more physical aspects of the role (not to say that Capaldi couldn't take ass and kick names, of course).   


Anyway, farewell, Matt Smith.   I thought you did a good job.  Good luck on any future endeavors (hehe, like anyone from the show would read this).
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Shane for Wax on December 26, 2013, 04:06:26 pm
My sister said she wasn't too crazy about an older Doctor but eh. I can't wait to see.
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Thejebusfire on December 26, 2013, 07:10:35 pm
(https://31.media.tumblr.com/cdfb8f75c972f2f75b3f83c09216c311/tumblr_mydz0xVhPW1rhbebyo1_250.gif) (https://24.media.tumblr.com/0dea2db5bf9d6e43224cd38c63fb422e/tumblr_mydz0xVhPW1rhbebyo4_r1_250.gif)
(https://31.media.tumblr.com/aca4583c309a6e79eb6a04f4dd1582cd/tumblr_mydz0xVhPW1rhbebyo3_r1_250.gif) (https://31.media.tumblr.com/c5fed73fd407f949360160d29ff6d65e/tumblr_mydz0xVhPW1rhbebyo2_r1_250.gif)

I like him already!
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: SpaceProg on December 26, 2013, 07:37:15 pm
I gotta say, I was intrigued with him the first few words.   Too early to say if he'll be up amongst my top fave Docs, but we'll see. :)
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: m52nickerson on December 26, 2013, 08:38:13 pm
Sad to see Matt Smith leave.  He is and will be my Doctor.

Capaldi does seem promising and I wish the new season was not so far away.  I was hoping we would get a little more of him in this episode.  Oh, well.
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: SpaceProg on December 26, 2013, 09:46:14 pm
Matt Smith definitely ranks in my top 5. 

Tom Baker
David Tennant
Matt Smith
Peter Davison
Paul McGann

In no particular fixed order since my top five tend to switch around a lot depending on my mood.
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Shane for Wax on December 26, 2013, 09:58:41 pm
Apparently I'm not the only one disappointed by the episode. Almost everyone I see on my dash has said the episode save the last four minutes was shit.

Also I will always be a fan of this line from the Master:

(http://31.media.tumblr.com/756858a93335daeba43e0e1cd503af00/tumblr_myfqb6hUtY1qdl4w6o1_500.gif)
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/e962aee80d7b5bada1b232a1c83923c7/tumblr_myfqb6hUtY1qdl4w6o2_500.gif)

It's so poignant. (And I wanted to show off my giffing skills that have increased)

When I heard 'the master' mentioned in the episode I was so excited we'd see the Master again but nope. :(
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Ghoti on December 26, 2013, 10:11:50 pm
The Doctor doesn't like the color of his kidneys, I repeat, THE DOCTOR DOESN'T LIKE THE COLOR OF HIS KIDNEYS. That is all.
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: SpaceProg on December 27, 2013, 03:19:15 am
To be fair,  I'm not too enamored by the color of mine either, to tell you the truth. 


Quote from: Commander Shepard
When I heard 'the master' mentioned in the episode I was so excited we'd see the Master again but nope.:(

Ah... I daresay we'll see old Koschei again eventually.  I mean, if any of them can find a way out of the pocket universe without help, it'd be him.
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Shane for Wax on December 27, 2013, 11:05:51 am
I don't know. Considering how they keep bringing back the fucking Daleks (go the fuck away already) and cybermen it's like he's been entirely forgotten.
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: SpaceProg on December 27, 2013, 01:58:10 pm
If Moffat's going to continue with this whole linking the past with the present stuff, you can't drop the Master.  He's a HUGE part of the Doctor's past.  I had a gut feeling before the Master first came back for the continuation of the series as YANA; "The Master's got to be around somewhere, they're going to find some way to bring him back".   

I don't know if he'll be the Simm version, but I think, eventually, we'll see the Master again.   Probably with him and the Doctor on the same-ish side. 
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Carnotaurus on December 27, 2013, 03:36:19 pm
He went back with Gallifrey in The End of Time, didn't he?
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: SpaceProg on December 27, 2013, 03:46:23 pm
Yep.
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: ironbite on December 27, 2013, 04:49:54 pm
He's actually in there killing and eating the Time Lords actually.

Ironbite-not sure how this is gonna play out.
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: RavynousHunter on December 27, 2013, 07:21:29 pm
Perhaps a Time Lord's life force is stronger than a human's, and considering who he likely ate first, I could see him having enough power to hold his body together afterward, or at least to regenerate into something a tad more on the "not falling apart at the seams" side.
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: SpaceProg on December 27, 2013, 09:28:33 pm
Yeah... I think Rassilon would have been a pretty nummy treat.

If he finds a way to get stabilized and if the drums in his head have finally stopped, his brain may start healing from the insanity the Time Lords caused him... Just think... all those years, from little boy to the drums stopping. 

I dunno about you all out there, but hearing the same rhythm incessantly for hundreds of years would really make me all woo-hoo.

Even if it wasn't even thought of more than likely back in the classic series (the drums, anyway, or the Time Lords doing it to him), it was said several times that the Master and the Doctor were very good friends before the Master's mind finally snapped.  It brings new light to the way I think of the Master when I watch the classic seasons with Delgado and Ainley. 
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Thejebusfire on December 27, 2013, 10:07:36 pm
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/a8119d72774ee8c47bf5011ac461831a/tumblr_mruxsjqPAF1qikjlio1_500.png)
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/bb516aa2ff18595086f728ae759acf9b/tumblr_mruxsjqPAF1qikjlio2_500.png)
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/4f4c2f4fa6f8e72472a34b98a0836462/tumblr_mruxsjqPAF1qikjlio3_500.gif)
(http://31.media.tumblr.com/8a7759c7e24a84b4a64817a22f11f7cd/tumblr_mruxsjqPAF1qikjlio4_500.gif)


I've probably posted this one before but given the new topic it seemed appropriate.
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: SpaceProg on December 27, 2013, 11:19:01 pm
LOL Well, I don't remember it, if you did.  It's cute, hehe.
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Shane for Wax on December 28, 2013, 08:44:51 am
Yeah... I think Rassilon would have been a pretty nummy treat.

If he finds a way to get stabilized and if the drums in his head have finally stopped, his brain may start healing from the insanity the Time Lords caused him... Just think... all those years, from little boy to the drums stopping. 

I dunno about you all out there, but hearing the same rhythm incessantly for hundreds of years would really make me all woo-hoo.

Even if it wasn't even thought of more than likely back in the classic series (the drums, anyway, or the Time Lords doing it to him), it was said several times that the Master and the Doctor were very good friends before the Master's mind finally snapped.  It brings new light to the way I think of the Master when I watch the classic seasons with Delgado and Ainley. 

There's a reason why I ended up mentioning how the Doctor, after the Day of the Doctor, would tell Koschei that he hadn't just seen the Master's dad's lands and manor home. But had burned it. They were amazing friends. The Doctor has said multiple times how he was closer to Koschei than even his own brother. Even without being the last two Time Lords, they were close.

Hell, ""Martha asks whether the Master is the Doctor's secret brother, to which the Doctor replies that she's been watching too much TV. It was originally rumoured that the Master would be revealed as the Doctor's brother in a story at the end of Season 10." Even back during the original run they had toyed with being closer than friends.

There's a reason the Doctor tried so hard to help. But he couldn't hear it. Not until the Master went blonde. Because by then it was at such an intensity that it could be heard by more than the Master. Both the Doctor and the Master have psychic training. But even with that it was something only the Master could hear up until the point where his life energy was leeching away as he used all that electricity and whatnot.
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Dakota Bob on December 28, 2013, 11:57:24 am
Eh, I was never a big fan of the "drumbeat in the masters head" thing. Much preferred the Masters character before the half-assed attempt to make him sympathetic.
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Shane for Wax on December 28, 2013, 12:03:29 pm
He was insane anyways. It doesn't excuse his actions from the original run of the series because it hadn't really happened to him. If anyone tries to excuse his actions because of the drumbeat, that's their issue.

He was a sympathetic character in the idea that he was ignored in favor of everyone focusing on the Doctor. He was in the Doctor's shadow from childhood onward. He was left behind when the Doctor supposedly time locked Gallifrey. That is what makes him sympathetic, not the drumbeat.
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Dakota Bob on December 28, 2013, 12:05:44 pm
Was the idea of the Master being related to the Doctor in some way actually make it onto the show? haven't re-watched any of the new series before series 6 in a while.
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Shane for Wax on December 28, 2013, 12:18:21 pm
No. It never did. In my writing, I've had them view as each other as brother in a spiritual sense. As seen in this post (http://verygallifreyxmas.tumblr.com/post/71244449878/will-it-stop-doctor-the-drumming-will-it) and this post (http://verygallifreyxmas.tumblr.com/post/71246680739/truly-the-last-of-the-time-lords-so-many).

With that said, if they did bring Koschei back and they did make the Doctor and the Master related I'm not sure how I'd feel about it. After so long you kind of lose that chance to reveal that.
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Thejebusfire on December 28, 2013, 02:15:25 pm
Was the idea of the Master being related to the Doctor in some way actually make it onto the show? haven't re-watched any of the new series before series 6 in a while.

Yeah, that was the original premise for McGann's Doctor.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56h_JuBZ9_0
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Shane for Wax on December 30, 2013, 06:16:53 pm
(https://24.media.tumblr.com/27053da47e1e097be661b2219fe3ecaf/tumblr_mylu2bYw7S1qikjlio1_500.png)
(https://24.media.tumblr.com/106f8123991f141946f82bbe0b52b91f/tumblr_mylu2bYw7S1qikjlio2_500.png)
(https://24.media.tumblr.com/27213f5a7551e7a3d225b86651308aca/tumblr_mylu2bYw7S1qikjlio3_r1_500.png)
(https://24.media.tumblr.com/be32b0052e906cee3a7df1ddc93bb56a/tumblr_mylu2bYw7S1qikjlio4_500.png)
jesus christ.
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: SpaceProg on December 30, 2013, 06:45:09 pm
LOL
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Dakota Bob on December 30, 2013, 07:38:59 pm
Ha, love those MSPAINT comics.
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: JohnE on February 13, 2014, 11:26:22 pm
I'm at the hotel. The convention doesn't really even start til tomorrow, but the place is already crazy packed! Will update if anything interesting happens.
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Dakota Bob on February 14, 2014, 07:16:37 am
Lucky bugger, wish there was a Who convention over here that I don't end up missing :P
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on February 14, 2014, 10:37:17 am
I took my sister to a Who convention once.  Embarrassed myself by calling a Dalek a "giant salt shaker".
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: SpaceProg on February 14, 2014, 01:01:07 pm
That's the Who equivalent of being Gannon-Banned, right there. :p
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: Thejebusfire on February 14, 2014, 01:49:23 pm
(https://31.media.tumblr.com/1002bbea26a91feaead94e358ab14f6d/tumblr_inline_n08p4gbgWU1rhdjro.gif)

The great dildo master.
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: SpaceProg on February 14, 2014, 02:39:33 pm
Hey now,  show some respect to the great Tissue Compression Eliminator (TCE).  ;)

I wonder...  What ever happened to that thing?
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: JohnE on February 14, 2014, 09:45:31 pm
So here's something interesting. Saw a cute girl wearing a 4th doctor scarf. ONLY a 4th doctor scarf, wrapped around herself in the shape of a mini-dress.

There was also a klingon and a Pinkin Pie today (not together).
Title: Re: Doctor Who General
Post by: JohnE on February 16, 2014, 03:31:01 pm
Wrapping up at the con. It went pretty well, except that I'm to shy and awkward to socialize, even with other shy awkward people with shared interests. Oh well.

Additional sighting include:

• Paul McGann at the breakfast buffet
• no fewer than three full sized remote control daleks and two k-9s
• a Twilight Sparkle
• a Harley Quinn
• several bad fake british accents
• a jammy dodger plushy and a weeping angel hand puppet (in the art show)

Edit:

• a jedi, who I just accidentally photobombed