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Title: Possible shootout at MIT?
Post by: ThunderWulf on April 18, 2013, 11:50:56 pm
You have got to be shitting me.  More?

http://www.policymic.com/articles/36357/mit-shooter-gunman-at-large-after-police-officer-shot-dead (http://www.policymic.com/articles/36357/mit-shooter-gunman-at-large-after-police-officer-shot-dead)

http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2013/04/18/mit-police-officer-hit-gunfire-cambridge-police-dispatcher-says/4UeCClOVeLr8PHLvDa99zK/story.html (http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2013/04/18/mit-police-officer-hit-gunfire-cambridge-police-dispatcher-says/4UeCClOVeLr8PHLvDa99zK/story.html)
Title: Re: Shootout at MIT?
Post by: Sleepy on April 18, 2013, 11:56:02 pm
This is horrible. Boston does not need anymore nonsense right now.

Also, the contradictory title and text in the first article is irritating (though they just fixed it. It originally said "Officer Shot Dead"). I can understand making some mistakes, but seriously, one that big? Do writers not double-check their shit anymore?
Title: Re: Possible shootout at MIT?
Post by: KZN02 on April 19, 2013, 12:05:02 am
Should I bring up the gun check amendment not being passed up?
Title: Re: Shootout at MIT?
Post by: ThunderWulf on April 19, 2013, 12:17:28 am
This is horrible. Boston does not need anymore nonsense right now.

Also, the contradictory title and text in the first article is irritating (though they just fixed it. It originally said "Officer Shot Dead"). I can understand making some mistakes, but seriously, one that big? Do writers not double-check their shit anymore?

Well apparently the officer now has succumb to his injuries, so...
Title: Re: Possible shootout at MIT?
Post by: nickiknack on April 19, 2013, 12:21:40 am
Oh the fuck...
Title: Re: Possible shootout at MIT?
Post by: Itachirumon on April 19, 2013, 12:23:44 am
Yeah, MSNBC is reporting dead now
Title: Re: Possible shootout at MIT?
Post by: KZN02 on April 19, 2013, 12:28:31 am
The police scanner app I got says suspect is Middle Eastern. Still, it being night at the moment.
Title: Re: Possible shootout at MIT?
Post by: Shane for Wax on April 19, 2013, 12:32:37 am
Yeah, the cop will be considered KIA now. God dammit.
Title: Re: Possible shootout at MIT?
Post by: Itachirumon on April 19, 2013, 12:33:34 am
http://emergency.mit.edu/ for once 4chan provides a good link -- it'll be faster than the news reports
Title: Re: Possible shootout at MIT?
Post by: KZN02 on April 19, 2013, 12:52:51 am
Crap, I'm hearing something about explosives and more gunshots.

Edit: I'm hearing they got them surrounded by retreating a safe distance away. EOD has been called in.

Edit 2: Gawker (http://gawker.com/5995034/active-shooter-incident-at-mit-mit-police-officer-shot) says 1 suspect in custody, another going to the hospital.
Title: Re: Possible shootout at MIT?
Post by: Itachirumon on April 19, 2013, 02:05:48 am
Crap, I'm hearing something about explosives and more gunshots.

Edit: I'm hearing they got them surrounded by retreating a safe distance away. EOD has been called in.

Edit 2: Gawker (http://gawker.com/5995034/active-shooter-incident-at-mit-mit-police-officer-shot) says 1 suspect in custody, another going to the hospital.

Jossed by the MIT website, but confirmed by the explosions in Watertown -- it was a town/county over.
Title: Re: Possible shootout at MIT?
Post by: KZN02 on April 19, 2013, 02:27:49 am
Ah great, Gawker says one suspect still at large. Also that this incident is unrelated to the marathon bombers. And the plot thickens.
Title: Re: Possible shootout at MIT?
Post by: cheese007 on April 19, 2013, 02:30:37 am
According to Gawker, the one guy the had in custody had no connection to the crime, and was released.
Title: Re: Possible shootout at MIT?
Post by: KZN02 on April 19, 2013, 02:34:51 am
So which crime? We have a shooting and a carjacking. Was this some sort of fluke?
Title: Re: Possible shootout at MIT?
Post by: cheese007 on April 19, 2013, 02:41:56 am
Maybe not. See here: http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2013/04/18/mit-police-officer-hit-gunfire-cambridge-police-dispatcher-says/4UeCClOVeLr8PHLvDa99zK/story.html?s_campaign=sm_tw seems like these are the bombers, one in custody and the other still free.
Title: Re: Possible shootout at MIT?
Post by: KZN02 on April 19, 2013, 02:46:25 am
Having another suspect at large is going to give people a hard time sleeping tonight, or for the next few days for that matter. I just hope they catch him before anything worse happens.
Title: Re: Possible shootout at MIT?
Post by: cheese007 on April 19, 2013, 02:50:59 am
According to Gawker a Watertown house has been surrounded that they believe the remaining suspect is in.
Title: Re: Possible shootout at MIT?
Post by: RinellaWasHere on April 19, 2013, 02:54:04 am
And to think I just landed here. Fuck me.

EDIT- Don't worry about me, I'm safe. The hotel I'm in is far from MIT. Any other members in the Boston area, are you guys okay?
Title: Re: Possible shootout at MIT?
Post by: KZN02 on April 19, 2013, 02:57:47 am
According to Gawker a Watertown house has been surrounded that they believe the remaining suspect is in.
Well, glad they found him quickly. Lets hope it'll go over well before the morning.
Title: Re: Possible shootout at MIT?
Post by: Undecided on April 19, 2013, 03:00:58 am
I'm a grad student at MIT, and the location of the (MIT) incident is on my walk home. I was working late today. If I had left 30 minutes later...

*has a shot of whisky*
Title: Re: Possible shootout at MIT?
Post by: RinellaWasHere on April 19, 2013, 03:02:12 am
I'm a grad student at MIT, and the location of the (MIT) incident is on my walk home. I was working late today. If I had left 30 minutes later...

*has a shot of whisky*

Hugs, man. My friend Dolan goes there as well- he's a sophomore. Thank god he lives off-campus.
Title: Re: Possible shootout at MIT?
Post by: cheese007 on April 19, 2013, 03:06:07 am
Now they're saying one is dead: http://www1.whdh.com/
I get the impression that, once again, no one knows what is going on.
Title: Re: Possible shootout at MIT?
Post by: Damen on April 19, 2013, 03:09:39 am
Earliest reports are always the least reliable. We'll have to wait for any details finer than "The situation has been resolved."
Title: Re: Possible shootout at MIT?
Post by: Random Gal on April 19, 2013, 03:23:42 am
Between the marathon bombing, the poisoned letters, and this shooting, I have to ask:

Why are all of these things happening now?
Title: Re: Possible shootout at MIT?
Post by: cheese007 on April 19, 2013, 03:30:46 am
Because the Rapture, duh!
Title: Re: Possible shootout at MIT?
Post by: KZN02 on April 19, 2013, 04:30:04 am
A better question is will it get even worse?

Edit: Hmm, there's a name: Sunil Tripathi.
Title: Re: Possible shootout at MIT?
Post by: Scotsgit on April 19, 2013, 05:56:08 am
BBC is running live updates:  http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-22213651 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-22213651)
Title: Re: Possible shootout at MIT?
Post by: ThunderWulf on April 19, 2013, 06:35:18 am
And to think I just landed here. Fuck me.

EDIT- Don't worry about me, I'm safe. The hotel I'm in is far from MIT. Any other members in the Boston area, are you guys okay?

Fine here.  I live far enough away, that I don't think he'll be anywhere near where I live.

I'm a grad student at MIT, and the location of the (MIT) incident is on my walk home. I was working late today. If I had left 30 minutes later...

*has a shot of whisky*

Stay safe dude.


EDIT:
Okay, so I was just talking with my mom, and this is the story as she's heard it from local news sources:

Apparently the two guys robbed a store, and then shot the MIT officer and stole his car.  They then proceeded to later carjack another person, who wound up getting away.  Police found them and started after them in a car chase, with them throwing makeshift bombs from the car at police officers.  That led to a shootout in Watertown where a MBTA cop was injured.  They captured one suspect, but he died of blast wounds, which they are not sure if they were intentional or sustained when throwing bombs at police.  The second suspect is still at large and they are urging businesses to stay closed and people to stay indoors as much as 2 towns over from the incident.

EDIT 2:

Was listening to WBZ news radio on my way into work.  According to them the two men involved in this are believed by the FBI to be the two men who set off the bombs at the Boston Marathon.  They supposedly identified the one who died as matching one of the suspects.
Title: Re: Possible shootout at MIT?
Post by: Shane for Wax on April 19, 2013, 08:15:30 am
Between the marathon bombing, the poisoned letters, and this shooting, I have to ask:

Why are all of these things happening now?

Bad things tend to come in threes, says an old wives tale (and my mum).

Remember when all of those celebrities died a couple years ago? Yeah.
Title: Re: Possible shootout at MIT?
Post by: Art Vandelay on April 19, 2013, 08:47:01 am
Between the marathon bombing, the poisoned letters, and this shooting, I have to ask:

Why are all of these things happening now?

Bad things tend to come in threes, says an old wives tale (and my mum).

Or in this case, fours, if you count the fertaliser factory explosion in Texas.
Title: Re: Possible shootout at MIT?
Post by: ThunderWulf on April 19, 2013, 08:54:12 am
ALL of Boston is on lockdown as is a fair amount of the closer parts of Greater Boston.  I've lived in Greater Boston for 18 years and never seen this huge of a lockdown EVER.
Title: Re: Possible shootout at MIT?
Post by: ThunderWulf on April 19, 2013, 08:59:13 am
No fly zone over Watertown too.
Title: Re: Possible shootout at MIT?
Post by: Rabbit of Caerbannog on April 19, 2013, 09:17:01 am
Okay, I basically just woke up to all this (again), so here is what I can gather. The Boston bombing suspects were identified, with one bombing victim who positively ID'd them:

(http://www.motherjones.com/files/suspects-in-crowd-1.jpg)

They then got into a shootout at MIT when they encountered police, leaving one police officer and one suspect dead. The other is still alive and at large, and his name is Dzhokhar Tsarnaev--his brother is the deceased suspect #2.

Timeline here (http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/04/boston-marathon-bombing-suspect-photos-video).
Title: Re: Possible shootout at MIT?
Post by: ThunderWulf on April 19, 2013, 09:20:00 am
According to WBZ, our local news here in MA, the one still at large may have automatic assault weapons and grenades.
Title: Re: Possible shootout at MIT?
Post by: Shane for Wax on April 19, 2013, 09:35:27 am
So they're connected. I'm not sure if I'd call that "good" per se but at least there's an explanation that is fortuitous.

Also... they're Chechen. Not doing much about that public image, хлопчиків (boys).
Title: Re: Possible shootout at MIT?
Post by: Rabbit of Caerbannog on April 19, 2013, 09:41:11 am
Turns out they're a couple of al-Qaeda-sympathizing Islamocrazies (http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2013/04/boston-bombing-suspect-posted-video-al-qaeda-prophecy-youtube). I think Pamela Geller just orgasmed.
Title: Re: Possible shootout at MIT?
Post by: Distind on April 19, 2013, 09:42:47 am
Huh, still doesn't explain why you'd bomb a damn marathon. But crazy is nothing if not illogical.
Title: Re: Possible shootout at MIT?
Post by: Rabbit of Caerbannog on April 19, 2013, 09:49:57 am
Huh, still doesn't explain why you'd bomb a damn marathon. But crazy is nothing it not illogical.
I'm sure their motivation is more or less gibberish about infidels and the liberation of Chechnya (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2013/04/19/russia-chechnya-terror-caucasus/2095995/).
Title: Re: Possible shootout at MIT?
Post by: Shane for Wax on April 19, 2013, 09:54:06 am
Because Boston is totally connected to Chechnya.
Title: Re: Possible shootout at MIT?
Post by: Rabbit of Caerbannog on April 19, 2013, 09:57:42 am
Because Boston is totally connected to Chechnya.
As Distind noted, fundamentalism is pretty much on the opposite end of the spectrum as logic.
Title: Re: Possible shootout at MIT?
Post by: mellenORL on April 19, 2013, 10:00:36 am
Tamerlan Tsarnaev apparently was an Islamic End Times zealot, from reading the subject matter of his personal YouTube

favorites page.

I wonder how RR's will spin this? The deceased terrorist's world view is religiously very similar to theirs.....
Title: Re: Possible shootout at MIT?
Post by: Shane for Wax on April 19, 2013, 10:09:23 am
Because Boston is totally connected to Chechnya.
As Distind noted, fundamentalism is pretty much on the opposite end of the spectrum as logic.

True enough. I still would have expected somewhere more in the direction of Europe.

Unless of course it turns out a relative of Kadyrov was running in the marathon. Or something. I don't know.
Title: Re: Possible shootout at MIT?
Post by: Sleepy on April 19, 2013, 10:09:34 am
Goddamn, this is insane. According to this article, NBC reported that two other suspects were taken into custody. I haven't heard that anywhere else though. Can anyone confirm it?

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/boston-mit-shooting-explosion-suspect-watertown-064355149.html (http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/boston-mit-shooting-explosion-suspect-watertown-064355149.html)
Title: Re: Possible shootout at MIT?
Post by: ThunderWulf on April 19, 2013, 10:13:11 am
Just heard on WBZ that somebody ELSE was arrested now.  No word if any connection to the suspects.
Title: Re: Possible shootout at MIT?
Post by: mellenORL on April 19, 2013, 10:21:48 am
http://johanneshirn.photoshelter.com/gallery/Will-Box-For-Passport/G0000VQW7v6xWA7o/ (http://johanneshirn.photoshelter.com/gallery/Will-Box-For-Passport/G0000VQW7v6xWA7o/)

(Warning: linked page is apparently very busy and may fail to load due to high traffic. Try it again - it's interesting & worth the trouble)

Okay, that links to a series of hover-for-captions pictures of Tamerlan Tsaraev at a boxing and martial arts gym, not dated, but may be from several years ago, judging by comments he is quoted saying about being here five years. Some of his quotes are shiver-inducing in light of what he did this week....
Title: Re: Re: Possible shootout at MIT?
Post by: ThunderWulf on April 19, 2013, 10:36:12 am
Just heard on WBZ that somebody ELSE was arrested now.  No word if any connection to the suspects.

Update:

Apparently the people they arrested are rumored to have been in communication with the suspect from the latest I have heard.
Title: Re: Possible shootout at MIT?
Post by: ThunderWulf on April 19, 2013, 11:29:46 am
Police have been searching a couple parked cars with canine units. Not sure what's going on there.
Title: Re: Possible shootout at MIT?
Post by: Distind on April 19, 2013, 11:31:19 am
Police have been searching a couple parked cars with canine units. Not sure what's going on there.
My guess would be either be looking for unused bombs sitting around or seeing if they can find something that transported the materials to track down further accomplices.
Title: Re: Possible shootout at MIT?
Post by: ThunderWulf on April 19, 2013, 11:44:43 am
Oh GREAT!  Just heard that the suspect still on the loose may be wearing a fucking suicide bomber vest?!
Title: Re: Possible shootout at MIT?
Post by: Scotsgit on April 19, 2013, 11:46:59 am
Oh GREAT!  Just heard that the suspect still on the loose may be wearing a fucking suicide bomber vest?!

If you're in Boston, stay indoors, keep away from windows and doors, tune your radio and/or TV into the local new network to get the latest updates and go back outside then the Police say it's safe to do so.
Title: Re: Possible shootout at MIT?
Post by: Shane for Wax on April 19, 2013, 11:56:08 am
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/817b6d35672c1e19c8a08c09dfa00e65/tumblr_mlie7vA2WA1qz4cuyo1_500.png)
Title: Re: Re: Possible shootout at MIT?
Post by: ThunderWulf on April 19, 2013, 11:58:12 am
Oh GREAT!  Just heard that the suspect still on the loose may be wearing a fucking suicide bomber vest?!

If you're in Boston, stay indoors, keep away from windows and doors, tune your radio and/or TV into the local new network to get the latest updates and go back outside then the Police say it's safe to do so.

I live in Greater Boston, but I'm outside the lockdown zone.
Title: Re: Possible shootout at MIT?
Post by: Rabbit of Caerbannog on April 19, 2013, 12:00:34 pm
Oh GREAT!  Just heard that the suspect still on the loose may be wearing a fucking suicide bomber vest?!
Pretty sure the deceased bomber had an IED on his body, so this doesn't surprise me. What would surprise me would be if the police took this fucker alive.
Title: Re: Re: Possible shootout at MIT?
Post by: Scotsgit on April 19, 2013, 12:04:33 pm
Oh GREAT!  Just heard that the suspect still on the loose may be wearing a fucking suicide bomber vest?!

If you're in Boston, stay indoors, keep away from windows and doors, tune your radio and/or TV into the local new network to get the latest updates and go back outside then the Police say it's safe to do so.

I live in Greater Boston, but I'm outside the lockdown zone.

As I say, stay indoors, particularly if you feel at risk. 
Title: Re: Possible shootout at MIT?
Post by: Shane for Wax on April 19, 2013, 12:09:50 pm
apparently fox news specified for their confused viewers at home that “chechens are not caucasian”, which is perhaps the most succinct summary of why it’s a stupid term I have ever seen in my life. source (http://altonym.tumblr.com/post/48355033972/apparently-fox-news-specified-for-their-confused)

Spoiler Alert: Chechnya is in the Caucasus.

EDIT: Are we going to merge the three threads and name it 'the Chechen Bombers' or something?
Title: Re: Possible shootout at MIT?
Post by: Barbarella on April 19, 2013, 12:28:03 pm
apparently fox news specified for their confused viewers at home that “chechens are not caucasian”, which is perhaps the most succinct summary of why it’s a stupid term I have ever seen in my life. source (http://altonym.tumblr.com/post/48355033972/apparently-fox-news-specified-for-their-confused)

Spoiler Alert: Chechnya is in the Caucasus.

EDIT: Are we going to merge the three threads and name it 'the Chechen Bombers' or something?

OH CHEEZE LOUISE! Faux Noise (real motto, 'Fear & Bombast'), stoking the fires of ethnicism! Shut up, Faux Freaks!

Perhaps we should merge the two threads. They're practically one and the same.
Title: Re: Possible shootout at MIT?
Post by: Rabbit of Caerbannog on April 19, 2013, 12:31:15 pm
apparently fox news specified for their confused viewers at home that “chechens are not caucasian”, which is perhaps the most succinct summary of why it’s a stupid term I have ever seen in my life. source (http://altonym.tumblr.com/post/48355033972/apparently-fox-news-specified-for-their-confused)
Hey if they didn't do that it would interfere with Fox News' narrative that only non-whites commit crime.
Title: Re: Possible shootout at MIT?
Post by: ThunderWulf on April 19, 2013, 12:49:21 pm
So apparently the police are going to be doing a controlled detonation at their home in Cambridge. Wonder if it was booby trapped?
Title: Re: Possible shootout at MIT?
Post by: Shane for Wax on April 19, 2013, 01:08:35 pm
apparently fox news specified for their confused viewers at home that “chechens are not caucasian”, which is perhaps the most succinct summary of why it’s a stupid term I have ever seen in my life. source (http://altonym.tumblr.com/post/48355033972/apparently-fox-news-specified-for-their-confused)
Hey if they didn't do that it would interfere with Fox News' narrative that only non-whites commit crime.

Perhaps. Except they're wrong on two levels. Geographically and anthropologically (kinda).
Title: Re: Possible shootout at MIT?
Post by: Barbarella on April 19, 2013, 01:21:49 pm
So apparently the police are going to be doing a controlled detonation at their home in Cambridge. Wonder if it was booby trapped?

I think they apprehended the guy. They wouldn't be blowing up the house if he wasn't inside.

I'm just angry & frustrated that there's no mass Muslim outreach educating Muslim kids on the stupidity of Islamozealotry. The best way to fight bigotry & zealotry is education.

There are pro-Muslim organizations who are trying hard to educate the public about real Islam, which is not about terrorism, but they're never noticed. Where are the mass sane Muslim protests? Where's the noise? Where the education & outreach? Are the nice Muslims a minority now? Has the whole religion become a Medinan perversion?

Now the Far-Right have ammunition for propaganda to bring this nation more Right-Wing! FUCK YOU, COCK-SUCKING RIGHT-WING FUCK YOU & YOUR FASCIST WAYS! LEFT-WING FOREVER! FREEDOM FOR ALL! LIBERALS RIIIISE!

Damned zealots and Facists, always ahead of the good guys whom Karma favors! WHEN WILL OUR DAY COME? THIS OUR TIME, DAMMIT!

I WANTED WHITE TEA-BRAINS OR RANDOM CRAZIES TO BE RESPONSIBLE! BUT NOOOOOOOOOOOO! IT'S MUSLIM NUTS WITH TIES TO AL QUEDA! THE GOP GONNA HAVE A BALL!

NO MORE! WE THE PROGRESSIVE MAJORITY ARE GOING TO PUT OUR FOOT DOWN! WE ARE GONNA TAKE A NON-VIOLENT SMACKDOWN ON THE RIGHT! WE NEED TO MARCH! WE NEED TO RISE! WE NEED TO COUNTER THE HATE PROPAGANDA! WE NEED TO EMBOLDEN THE GOOD MUSLIMS & GOOD CHRISTIANS TO SPEAK OUT & COUNTER THE SHIT FROM THE ZEALOTS!
Title: Re: Possible shootout at MIT?
Post by: ThunderWulf on April 19, 2013, 01:30:15 pm
They're not blowing up the house. It sounds like they're going to be using an explosives robot to move some suspected bombs outside for controlled detonations
Title: Re: Possible shootout at MIT?
Post by: Damen on April 19, 2013, 01:38:36 pm
So apparently the police are going to be doing a controlled detonation at their home in Cambridge. Wonder if it was booby trapped?

I think they apprehended the guy. They wouldn't be blowing up the house if he wasn't inside.

I'm just angry & frustrated that there's no mass Muslim outreach educating Muslim kids on the stupidity of Islamozealotry. The best way to fight bigotry & zealotry is education.

There are pro-Muslim organizations who are trying hard to educate the public about real Islam, which is not about terrorism, but they're never noticed. Where are the mass sane Muslim protests? Where's the noise? Where the education & outreach? Are the nice Muslims a minority now? Has the whole religion become a Medinan perversion?

Now the Far-Right have ammunition for propaganda to bring this nation more Right-Wing! FUCK YOU, COCK-SUCKING RIGHT-WING FUCK YOU & YOUR FASCIST WAYS! LEFT-WING FOREVER! FREEDOM FOR ALL! LIBERALS RIIIISE!

Damned zealots and Facists, always ahead of the good guys whom Karma favors! WHEN WILL OUR DAY COME? THIS OUR TIME, DAMMIT!

I WANTED WHITE TEA-BRAINS OR RANDOM CRAZIES TO BE RESPONSIBLE! BUT NOOOOOOOOOOOO! IT'S MUSLIM NUTS WITH TIES TO AL QUEDA! THE GOP GONNA HAVE A BALL!

NO MORE! WE THE PROGRESSIVE MAJORITY ARE GOING TO PUT OUR FOOT DOWN! WE ARE GONNA TAKE A NON-VIOLENT SMACKDOWN ON THE RIGHT! WE NEED TO MARCH! WE NEED TO RISE! WE NEED TO COUNTER THE HATE PROPAGANDA! WE NEED TO EMBOLDEN THE GOOD MUSLIMS & GOOD CHRISTIANS TO SPEAK OUT & COUNTER THE SHIT FROM THE ZEALOTS!

(http://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/3703987456/h38C1D0B6/)
Title: Re: Possible shootout at MIT?
Post by: Scotsgit on April 19, 2013, 01:48:54 pm
They're not blowing up the house. It sounds like they're going to be using an explosives robot to move some suspected bombs outside for controlled detonations

They have no idea how much explosive is in the house, if you can seperate it and blow it up in small explosions, it reduces the risk.
Title: Re: Possible shootout at MIT?
Post by: Scotsgit on April 19, 2013, 02:48:12 pm
When will the Progressives rise & take over? I'm am so frustrated with the world! Speak up, dammit! Organize! Do something!

And do what exactly?
Title: Re: Possible shootout at MIT?
Post by: Barbarella on April 19, 2013, 02:55:18 pm
When will the Progressives rise & take over? I'm am so frustrated with the world! Speak up, dammit! Organize! Do something!

And do what exactly?

I dunno. I had a meltdown, again. I'll remove the offending comments.

I need too cool down before I post-when-mad. Darn mental illness issues!

I've now removed the stupid stuff.

Y'know, I realize that MSNBC can blow stuff outta proportion, too. This is probably some isolated dork thing that involves two kids who caught the Islamofundie bug....not a big cell or organized campaign. The world is not going to end. We'll get through this.
Title: Re: Possible shootout at MIT?
Post by: guizonde on April 19, 2013, 03:12:13 pm
although i tl;dr'd spuki's rant, the general feeling of frustration is pretty high in me. i'm the resident yank in my school (for spending 5 years in northern VA... yeah), and let's just say i've been going off on pretty heavy walls of rage (wall o'texts irl) to anyone discussing this subject. i was in fairfax county from '98 to '03. meanwhile, there was columbine, 9/11 that hit pretty hard, the fucking beltway sniper (who gave my sister major neuroses due to vulture-reporters), then years later a few friends were at VTech, a bazillion and a half school shootings later, and one boston massacre later and still people keep on getting killed due to monsters. when will we learn?! i'm tired of waking up and seeing horrors committed across the world. hell, even in france who is pretty reasonable there was a fucking killer in my town (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toulouse_and_Montauban_shootings) last year! when will it all end?!

i'm not trying to pass for a victim, here. i know i was at the wrong place at the wrong time, and that shit happens. my heart goes out to anyone near the boston area: i know that terror too well, and i wouldn't wish it on anyone but the biggest douche-canoes.

all i'm saying is: why the fuck won't people learn? it's really depressing.
Title: Re: Possible shootout at MIT?
Post by: Rabbit of Caerbannog on April 19, 2013, 04:21:44 pm
apparently fox news specified for their confused viewers at home that “chechens are not caucasian”, which is perhaps the most succinct summary of why it’s a stupid term I have ever seen in my life. source (http://altonym.tumblr.com/post/48355033972/apparently-fox-news-specified-for-their-confused)
Hey if they didn't do that it would interfere with Fox News' narrative that only non-whites commit crime.

Perhaps. Except they're wrong on two levels. Geographically and anthropologically (kinda).
Okay so really the question is stupid or evil?
Title: Re: Possible shootout at MIT?
Post by: ThunderWulf on April 19, 2013, 04:25:30 pm
So just found out that someone who's a mutual friend of mine and both my siblings knows the MIT officer who was killed.  He was apparently just as friendly as news sources say he was.
Title: Re: Possible shootout at MIT?
Post by: MadCatTLX on April 19, 2013, 04:28:31 pm
although i tl;dr'd spuki's rant, the general feeling of frustration is pretty high in me. i'm the resident yank in my school (for spending 5 years in northern VA... yeah), and let's just say i've been going off on pretty heavy walls of rage (wall o'texts irl) to anyone discussing this subject. i was in fairfax county from '98 to '03. meanwhile, there was columbine, 9/11 that hit pretty hard, the fucking beltway sniper (who gave my sister major neuroses due to vulture-reporters), then years later a few friends were at VTech, a bazillion and a half school shootings later, and one boston massacre later and still people keep on getting killed due to monsters. when will we learn?! i'm tired of waking up and seeing horrors committed across the world. hell, even in france who is pretty reasonable there was a fucking killer in my town (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toulouse_and_Montauban_shootings) last year! when will it all end?!

i'm not trying to pass for a victim, here. i know i was at the wrong place at the wrong time, and that shit happens. my heart goes out to anyone near the boston area: i know that terror too well, and i wouldn't wish it on anyone but the biggest douche-canoes.

all i'm saying is: why the fuck won't people learn? it's really depressing.

The number of ax crazy murderers out there is pretty low. The media just loves to blow it out of proportion so the have something for news.

One thing though is that there aren't usually this many crazy things that go done so close to each other. The number is still small, but it has grown in the last couple years. That, or people haven't paid attention to it before. I have to wonder what triggered the recent growth?
Title: Re: Possible shootout at MIT?
Post by: Auggziliary on April 19, 2013, 05:33:23 pm
although i tl;dr'd spuki's rant, the general feeling of frustration is pretty high in me. i'm the resident yank in my school (for spending 5 years in northern VA... yeah), and let's just say i've been going off on pretty heavy walls of rage (wall o'texts irl) to anyone discussing this subject. i was in fairfax county from '98 to '03. meanwhile, there was columbine, 9/11 that hit pretty hard, the fucking beltway sniper (who gave my sister major neuroses due to vulture-reporters), then years later a few friends were at VTech, a bazillion and a half school shootings later, and one boston massacre later and still people keep on getting killed due to monsters. when will we learn?! i'm tired of waking up and seeing horrors committed across the world. hell, even in france who is pretty reasonable there was a fucking killer in my town (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toulouse_and_Montauban_shootings) last year! when will it all end?!

i'm not trying to pass for a victim, here. i know i was at the wrong place at the wrong time, and that shit happens. my heart goes out to anyone near the boston area: i know that terror too well, and i wouldn't wish it on anyone but the biggest douche-canoes.

all i'm saying is: why the fuck won't people learn? it's really depressing.

The number of ax crazy murderers out there is pretty low. The media just loves to blow it out of proportion so the have something for news.

One thing though is that there aren't usually this many crazy things that go done so close to each other. The number is still small, but it has grown in the last couple years. That, or people haven't paid attention to it before. I have to wonder what triggered the recent growth?

Maybe the same reason there are sometimes shootings and suicides after a major shooting/suicide, like an inspiration or something.
Title: Re: Possible shootout at MIT?
Post by: TheUnknown on April 19, 2013, 06:32:54 pm
Just heard on CBS that they lost him, and don't know where he is.
Title: Re: Possible shootout at MIT?
Post by: guizonde on April 19, 2013, 06:33:26 pm
although i tl;dr'd spuki's rant, the general feeling of frustration is pretty high in me. i'm the resident yank in my school (for spending 5 years in northern VA... yeah), and let's just say i've been going off on pretty heavy walls of rage (wall o'texts irl) to anyone discussing this subject. i was in fairfax county from '98 to '03. meanwhile, there was columbine, 9/11 that hit pretty hard, the fucking beltway sniper (who gave my sister major neuroses due to vulture-reporters), then years later a few friends were at VTech, a bazillion and a half school shootings later, and one boston massacre later and still people keep on getting killed due to monsters. when will we learn?! i'm tired of waking up and seeing horrors committed across the world. hell, even in france who is pretty reasonable there was a fucking killer in my town (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toulouse_and_Montauban_shootings) last year! when will it all end?!

i'm not trying to pass for a victim, here. i know i was at the wrong place at the wrong time, and that shit happens. my heart goes out to anyone near the boston area: i know that terror too well, and i wouldn't wish it on anyone but the biggest douche-canoes.

all i'm saying is: why the fuck won't people learn? it's really depressing.

The number of ax crazy murderers out there is pretty low. The media just loves to blow it out of proportion so the have something for news.

One thing though is that there aren't usually this many crazy things that go done so close to each other. The number is still small, but it has grown in the last couple years. That, or people haven't paid attention to it before. I have to wonder what triggered the recent growth?

Maybe the same reason there are sometimes shootings and suicides after a major shooting/suicide, like an inspiration or something.

*long list of expletives*

copycat killings?... are you trying to make me do a rizzo? i'm barely keeping my faith in humanity as it is.

actually, you know what? it's not the violence, horror, terror, what have you that's the problem. the frustration doesn't come from there. the frustration comes from my helplessness at all this. i'm not a medic, i'm not a shrink or a therapist. all i can do is keep on encouraging people and preaching the golden rule. i just feel it's not enough, sometimes. i'm only one guy  :'(
Title: And he's cornered...
Post by: DiscoBerry on April 19, 2013, 07:13:56 pm
And apparently getting gassed. 

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2013/04/live-updates-boston-bombing-suspect-dead-in-shootout/ (http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2013/04/live-updates-boston-bombing-suspect-dead-in-shootout/)
Title: Re: Possible shootout at MIT?
Post by: ThunderWulf on April 19, 2013, 07:15:30 pm
News is now saying they've found a body in a boat in a backyard in Watertown.

And possibly another firefight too?
Title: Re: And he's cornered...
Post by: Dynamic Dragon on April 19, 2013, 07:15:41 pm
And there was much rejoicing!
Title: Re: And he's cornered...
Post by: DiscoBerry on April 19, 2013, 07:16:33 pm
And there was much rejoicing!

I had my TV loud and heard rifle fire...almost hit the deck. 
Title: Re: And he's cornered...
Post by: Osama bin Bambi on April 19, 2013, 07:17:25 pm
And there was much rejoicing!

I had my TV loud and heard rifle fire...almost hit the deck. 

I just hope he's not dead so that he can get a trial.
Title: Re: And he's cornered...
Post by: DiscoBerry on April 19, 2013, 07:18:04 pm
People are saying he is on a boat. 
Title: Re: And he's cornered...
Post by: DiscoBerry on April 19, 2013, 07:21:17 pm
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/ma-rt-9-window-cam  Watertown police scanner
Title: Re: Possible shootout at MIT?
Post by: Sleepy on April 19, 2013, 07:35:07 pm
Linky. (http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/04/19/17823265-shots-heard-in-boston-suburb-as-police-hunting-suspect-lift-lockdown?lite)

Honestly, it's going to piss me off if the younger one is dead, too. I wanted them to face trial and life behind bars for what they did.
Title: Re: Possible shootout at MIT?
Post by: ThunderWulf on April 19, 2013, 07:46:58 pm
So suspect 2 is in the boat.
Title: Re: And he's cornered...
Post by: Sleepy on April 19, 2013, 07:51:07 pm
Can we tack this on the end of the MIT thread?
Title: Re: Possible shootout at MIT?
Post by: Witchyjoshy on April 19, 2013, 07:52:43 pm
Can we tack this on the end of the MIT thread?

Done.
Title: Re: Possible shootout at MIT?
Post by: KZN02 on April 19, 2013, 08:24:31 pm
So suspect 2 is in the boat.
I'm so tempted to say "Nice Boat".
Title: Re: Possible shootout at MIT?
Post by: ThunderWulf on April 19, 2013, 08:27:15 pm
I'm wondering if they'll be able to take him alive.
Title: Re: Possible shootout at MIT?
Post by: Sleepy on April 19, 2013, 08:33:13 pm
I hope so. He's obviously not going to escape at this point, so it's a question of how much damage he'll do in the process.

Minor updates. (http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/04/19/17823265-shots-heard-in-boston-suburb-police-believe-suspect-cornered-in-boat?lite)
Title: Re: Possible shootout at MIT?
Post by: Scotsgit on April 19, 2013, 08:38:41 pm
If he's taken, does Massachusetts have the death penalty?
Title: Re: Possible shootout at MIT?
Post by: erictheblue on April 19, 2013, 08:39:36 pm
If he's taken, does Massachusetts have the death penalty?

No. It was abolished in 1984
Title: Re: Possible shootout at MIT?
Post by: DiscoBerry on April 19, 2013, 08:40:04 pm
I hope so. He's obviously not going to escape at this point, so it's a question of how much damage he'll do in the process.

Minor updates. (http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/04/19/17823265-shots-heard-in-boston-suburb-police-believe-suspect-cornered-in-boat?lite)

Scanner says negotiator is there, don't know if talking though.  Cop accidentally had his mic on said "I can fuckin see him movin."   
Title: Re: Possible shootout at MIT?
Post by: Barbarella on April 19, 2013, 08:40:32 pm
although i tl;dr'd spuki's rant, the general feeling of frustration is pretty high in me. i'm the resident yank in my school (for spending 5 years in northern VA... yeah), and let's just say i've been going off on pretty heavy walls of rage (wall o'texts irl) to anyone discussing this subject. i was in fairfax county from '98 to '03. meanwhile, there was columbine, 9/11 that hit pretty hard, the fucking beltway sniper (who gave my sister major neuroses due to vulture-reporters), then years later a few friends were at VTech, a bazillion and a half school shootings later, and one boston massacre later and still people keep on getting killed due to monsters. when will we learn?! i'm tired of waking up and seeing horrors committed across the world. hell, even in france who is pretty reasonable there was a fucking killer in my town (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toulouse_and_Montauban_shootings) last year! when will it all end?!

i'm not trying to pass for a victim, here. i know i was at the wrong place at the wrong time, and that shit happens. my heart goes out to anyone near the boston area: i know that terror too well, and i wouldn't wish it on anyone but the biggest douche-canoes.

all i'm saying is: why the fuck won't people learn? it's really depressing.

The number of ax crazy murderers out there is pretty low. The media just loves to blow it out of proportion so the have something for news.

One thing though is that there aren't usually this many crazy things that go done so close to each other. The number is still small, but it has grown in the last couple years. That, or people haven't paid attention to it before. I have to wonder what triggered the recent growth?

Recognition, ego, THEY'RE FACE & NAMES BEING PLASTERED EVERYWHERE! This is why I'm getting into the habit of not using names....Thus my use of "Black Hat" & "White Hat" or "The Boston Marathon Bombers" for these bozos.

Likewise, other famous killers should be referred to indirectly:

Adam Lanza = Sandy Hook Shooter
James Holmes = Aurora Shooter
Seung-Hui Cho = V-Tech Shooter
Harris & Kleibold = Columbine Shooters
Mark David Chapman = Lennon's Assassin
Charles Manson = Spahn Ranch Cult Leader
The Manson Family = Spahn Ranch Cult Killers

and so on....

Whenever possible, try one's best to not refer to the infamous loser by name or plaster their mugs everywhere! I don't care if a perp is even cute to look at (I confess, I find that White Hat slimeball rather boyishly cute. Some photos the the Norway shooter guy, with the longish hair & GQ clothes, were kinda handsome, too.....but I despise both & outer looks mean zilch, they're fugly!) DON'T HYPE THEIR FARGGIN' FACES ON THE BOOB TUBE LIKE THAT!
 
Title: Re: Possible shootout at MIT?
Post by: DiscoBerry on April 19, 2013, 08:42:15 pm
If he's taken, does Massachusetts have the death penalty?

No. It was abolished in 1984

Gonna be Federal charges.  They have him alive
Title: Re: Possible shootout at MIT?
Post by: DiscoBerry on April 19, 2013, 08:42:31 pm
HRT has him
Title: Re: Possible shootout at MIT?
Post by: Scotsgit on April 19, 2013, 08:42:46 pm
AM watching BBC News, sounds of loud cheering from the Police.
Title: Re: Possible shootout at MIT?
Post by: DiscoBerry on April 19, 2013, 08:44:30 pm
AM watching BBC News, sounds of loud cheering from the Police.

I got the scanner, he is in custody, EOD has  been called in. 
Title: Re: Possible shootout at MIT?
Post by: Barbarella on April 19, 2013, 08:46:38 pm
WOOHOO! They got the little creep! He's gonna have to answer to all this...and his angry uncle "YOU HAVE SHAMED THE FAMILY! I HAVE NO NEPHEW!".

Alrighty! Black Hat's dead...White Hat's arrested...time to get the third unnamed mystery guy!

Title: Re: Possible shootout at MIT?
Post by: DiscoBerry on April 19, 2013, 08:47:03 pm
Its funny I am watching CNN and they still don't know he is in custody.  Thank you police scanner
Title: Re: Possible shootout at MIT?
Post by: Sleepy on April 19, 2013, 08:47:47 pm
Glad they got him alive. This slimeball is gonna have a hell of a trial.
Title: Re: Possible shootout at MIT?
Post by: ThunderWulf on April 19, 2013, 08:47:51 pm
They got him alive?!  Holy shit!
Title: Re: Possible shootout at MIT?
Post by: QueenofHearts on April 19, 2013, 08:49:06 pm
Glad they got him alive. This slimeball is gonna have a hell of a trial.
Title: Re: Possible shootout at MIT?
Post by: Sleepy on April 19, 2013, 08:49:45 pm
I've heard mention of other suspects, but no one has given a single detail on them. Were they accomplices in the bombing? The getaway?
Title: Re: Possible shootout at MIT?
Post by: TheUnknown on April 19, 2013, 08:55:51 pm
WOOHOO! They got the little creep! He's gonna have to answer to all this...and his angry uncle "YOU HAVE SHAMED THE FAMILY! I HAVE NO NEPHEW!".

Alrighty! Black Hat's dead...White Hat's arrested...time to get the third unnamed mystery guy!



The uncle is is disgusted by them, but their dad claims they were framed and the mother claims the older son was persecuted by the FBI.
Title: Re: Possible shootout at MIT?
Post by: Meshakhad on April 19, 2013, 08:57:52 pm
WOOHOO! They got the little creep! He's gonna have to answer to all this...and his angry uncle "YOU HAVE SHAMED THE FAMILY! I HAVE NO NEPHEW!".

Alrighty! Black Hat's dead...White Hat's arrested...time to get the third unnamed mystery guy!



The uncle is is disgusted by them, but their dad claims they were framed and the mother claims the older son was persecuted by the FBI.

I like the uncle. He was shouting at the cameras (addressing his nephews): "Ask the injured and the families for forgiveness, but don't ask me! You have brought shame on the Tzarnaev family, on the Chechen people!"
Title: Re: Possible shootout at MIT?
Post by: Rabbit of Caerbannog on April 19, 2013, 09:17:33 pm
Well I'll be damned, they caught the little bastard. I always prefer it that way so they can actually be interrogated.
Title: Re: Possible shootout at MIT?
Post by: ThunderWulf on April 19, 2013, 09:21:19 pm
I'm just glad it's over.  Was wearing my camo Red Sox jersey all day today, and my mom and sister were wearing some of my mom's old Boston Marathon shirts to show support for the victims.  No idea they'd actually wind up CATCHING the asshole today.

Now I'm curious to see what the actual motivation was.  Though we probably won't know that for a while. At leas not publicly.
Title: Re: Possible shootout at MIT?
Post by: Sleepy on April 19, 2013, 09:23:44 pm
WOOHOO! They got the little creep! He's gonna have to answer to all this...and his angry uncle "YOU HAVE SHAMED THE FAMILY! I HAVE NO NEPHEW!".

Alrighty! Black Hat's dead...White Hat's arrested...time to get the third unnamed mystery guy!



The uncle is is disgusted by them, but their dad claims they were framed and the mother claims the older son was persecuted by the FBI.

I like the uncle. He was shouting at the cameras (addressing his nephews): "Ask the injured and the families for forgiveness, but don't ask me! You have brought shame on the Tzarnaev family, on the Chechen people!"

That guy earned himself a lot of points. It's sad that his family will probably still get death threats.
Title: Re: Possible shootout at MIT?
Post by: ThunderWulf on April 19, 2013, 09:25:50 pm
WOOHOO! They got the little creep! He's gonna have to answer to all this...and his angry uncle "YOU HAVE SHAMED THE FAMILY! I HAVE NO NEPHEW!".

Alrighty! Black Hat's dead...White Hat's arrested...time to get the third unnamed mystery guy!



The uncle is is disgusted by them, but their dad claims they were framed and the mother claims the older son was persecuted by the FBI.

I like the uncle. He was shouting at the cameras (addressing his nephews): "Ask the injured and the families for forgiveness, but don't ask me! You have brought shame on the Tzarnaev family, on the Chechen people!"

That guy earned himself a lot of points. It's sad that his family will probably still get death threats.

Yeah I have mad respect for the uncle, but you're right that unfortunately a lot of people will still see guilt by association.
Title: Re: Possible shootout at MIT?
Post by: Barbarella on April 19, 2013, 09:28:45 pm
Deity bless that uncle. I love that guy! Mom & Pop are probably in denial & not willing to accept that they brought two little hellspawn of Iblis into the world.
Title: Re: Possible shootout at MIT?
Post by: Thejebusfire on April 19, 2013, 09:29:17 pm
I'm glad they got at least one of them alive.
Title: Re: Possible shootout at MIT?
Post by: erictheblue on April 19, 2013, 09:30:14 pm
I didn't think they would catch him alive. I figured it would be "suicide by cop."
Title: Re: Possible shootout at MIT?
Post by: ironbite on April 19, 2013, 09:36:07 pm
Everyone did.  The fact they managed to get the bastard alive speaks volumes of the negotiator.

Ironbite-now the fun really starts.
Title: Re: Possible shootout at MIT?
Post by: Scotsgit on April 19, 2013, 09:37:53 pm
So will they keep him in Boston or send him to Gitmo?

Come to that, what are the anti-terrorism laws in the US like?
Title: Re: Possible shootout at MIT?
Post by: Rabbit of Caerbannog on April 19, 2013, 09:47:38 pm
So will they keep him in Boston or send him to Gitmo?

Come to that, what are the anti-terrorism laws in the US like?
Hopefully he will be treated like any other domestic terrorist and kept in prison--supermax or otherwise. This hasn't stopped creeps like Sen. Lindsey Graham from designating the U.S. a battlefield (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/wp/2013/04/19/sen-lindsey-graham-boston-bombing-is-exhibit-a-of-why-the-homeland-is-the-battlefield/) (no doubt in an attempt to justify his support of the draconian NDAA) and claiming Dzhokhar Tsarnaev should be held as an enemy combatant (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2013/04/19/lindsey-graham-boston-bomber-could-be-held-as-enemy-combatant/).

EDIT: To put this in perspective, everyone from Eric Rudolph (the Centennial Olympic Park bomber), to Timothy McVeigh (prior to his execution) and Terry Nichols, to Ramzi Yousef (a key perpetrator of the first World Trade Center bombing) have been kept in the ADX Florence supermax prison in Colorado.
Title: Re: Possible shootout at MIT?
Post by: TheUnknown on April 19, 2013, 09:49:09 pm
Someone on tumblr said they heard on the news that they'll be trying him in a federal court and are going to try for a death sentence.  I don't know how true it is.
Title: Re: Possible shootout at MIT?
Post by: dpareja on April 19, 2013, 09:56:20 pm
Meanwhile, in what may be a scathing indictment of Americans' geography skills or a scathing indictment of the world's perception of such, the Czech Ambassador to the United States would like to remind everyone that the Czech Republic and Chechnya are not the same place (http://www.mzv.cz/washington/en/czech_u_s_relations/news/statement_of_the_ambassador_of_the_czech.html).
Title: Re: Possible shootout at MIT?
Post by: Rabbit of Caerbannog on April 19, 2013, 09:58:40 pm
Someone on tumblr said they heard on the news that they'll be trying him in a federal court and are going to try for a death sentence.  I don't know how true it is.
I'd be curious to know on what grounds. Usually you would have to have attacked a federal target.
Title: Re: Possible shootout at MIT?
Post by: dpareja on April 19, 2013, 10:01:56 pm
Someone on tumblr said they heard on the news that they'll be trying him in a federal court and are going to try for a death sentence.  I don't know how true it is.
I'd be curious to know on what grounds. Usually you would have to have attacked a federal target.

Terrorism charges, possibly?
Title: Re: Possible shootout at MIT?
Post by: Rabbit of Caerbannog on April 19, 2013, 10:07:44 pm
Someone on tumblr said they heard on the news that they'll be trying him in a federal court and are going to try for a death sentence.  I don't know how true it is.
I'd be curious to know on what grounds. Usually you would have to have attacked a federal target.

Terrorism charges, possibly?
I'm certain that people like Ramzi Yousef were charged with that as well, but he was tried in NYC and sentenced to life in prison.
Title: Re: Possible shootout at MIT?
Post by: dpareja on April 19, 2013, 10:21:44 pm
Someone on tumblr said they heard on the news that they'll be trying him in a federal court and are going to try for a death sentence.  I don't know how true it is.
I'd be curious to know on what grounds. Usually you would have to have attacked a federal target.

Terrorism charges, possibly?
I'm certain that people like Ramzi Yousef were charged with that as well, but he was tried in NYC and sentenced to life in prison.

Still, that was all pre-September 11, 2001.
Title: Re: Possible shootout at MIT?
Post by: Rabbit of Caerbannog on April 19, 2013, 10:32:04 pm
Someone on tumblr said they heard on the news that they'll be trying him in a federal court and are going to try for a death sentence.  I don't know how true it is.
I'd be curious to know on what grounds. Usually you would have to have attacked a federal target.

Terrorism charges, possibly?
I'm certain that people like Ramzi Yousef were charged with that as well, but he was tried in NYC and sentenced to life in prison.

Still, that was all pre-September 11, 2001.
That still doesn't mean we've suddenly changed jurisdictional rules though. The crimes happened entirely within Massachusetts, so I don't understand why the Feds would suddenly be trying the case and pushing for the death penalty. They could do that with Timothy McVeigh because he attacked the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building. They could do it with Nidal Malik Hasan because he murdered soldiers at Ft. Hood. With this, the casualties were entirely civilian and none were federal government targets.
Title: Re: Possible shootout at MIT?
Post by: DiscoBerry on April 19, 2013, 11:24:17 pm
Everyone did.  The fact they managed to get the bastard alive speaks volumes of the negotiator.

Ironbite-now the fun really starts.

You mean all the Conspiratards frothing at the mouth?
Title: Re: Possible shootout at MIT?
Post by: erictheblue on April 20, 2013, 07:17:23 am
That still doesn't mean we've suddenly changed jurisdictional rules though. The crimes happened entirely within Massachusetts, so I don't understand why the Feds would suddenly be trying the case and pushing for the death penalty.

Terrorism is a federal crime.

Quote from: 18 USC 2331(5)
the term “domestic terrorism” means activities that—
(A) involve acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or of any State;
(B) appear to be intended—
(i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population;
(ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or
(iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping; and
(C) occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the United States.


Quote from: 18 USC 2332f(a)
Offenses.—
(1) In general.— Whoever unlawfully delivers, places, discharges, or detonates an explosive or other lethal device in, into, or against a place of public use, a state or government facility, a public transportation system, or an infrastructure facility—
(A) with the intent to cause death or serious bodily injury, or
(B) with the intent to cause extensive destruction of such a place, facility, or system, where such destruction results in or is likely to result in major economic loss,
shall be punished as prescribed in subsection (c).



Why the death penalty? Just a guess - bargaining. If the US Attorney takes death off the table at the start, they can't use it to bargain a plea deal later.
Title: Re: Possible shootout at MIT?
Post by: chitoryu12 on April 20, 2013, 07:28:18 am
I didn't think they would catch him alive. I figured it would be "suicide by cop."

Since he tried to hide, I think he wasn't quite into the "martyrdom" idea enough to let himself die for the cause. I frankly don't think either of them were, since they fled from their bombs rather than committing a suicide bombing and they panicked and made a sloppy escape attempt when they were fingered on the news.

Even if he was planning on jumping out of his hiding spot and waving around a gun (or pointing his shoe at them like a gun or something), SWAT just threw in flashbangs and grabbed him while he was disoriented.

Edit: Apparently the boat's owner found the suspect when he saw that the tarp covering his boat was loose and the ropes holding it down had been cut, and he saw a human form lying in a pool of blood inside. He's apparently in "serious condition". I'm guessing that even if he intended to commit suicide by cop after the chase, he wouldn't have had the strength to do so.
Title: Re: Possible shootout at MIT?
Post by: ThunderWulf on April 20, 2013, 09:24:04 am
Everyone did.  The fact they managed to get the bastard alive speaks volumes of the negotiator.

Ironbite-now the fun really starts.

You mean all the Conspiratards frothing at the mouth?

You mean they haven't been this whole time?
Title: Re: Possible shootout at MIT?
Post by: chitoryu12 on April 20, 2013, 09:41:28 am
Everyone did.  The fact they managed to get the bastard alive speaks volumes of the negotiator.

Ironbite-now the fun really starts.

You mean all the Conspiratards frothing at the mouth?

You mean they haven't been this whole time?

Conspiritards started ranting about the Superbowl blackout within a day of its occurrence. They probably started talking about random conspiracies as soon as they heard the word "Boston" and didn't bother to check what had even happened until someone slapped them and got them to shut up.
Title: Re: Possible shootout at MIT?
Post by: ThunderWulf on April 20, 2013, 09:47:22 am
Everyone did.  The fact they managed to get the bastard alive speaks volumes of the negotiator.

Ironbite-now the fun really starts.

You mean all the Conspiratards frothing at the mouth?

You mean they haven't been this whole time?

Conspiritards started ranting about the Superbowl blackout within a day of its occurrence. They probably started talking about random conspiracies as soon as they heard the word "Boston" and didn't bother to check what had even happened until someone slapped them and got them to shut up.

I can tell you for a fact, given some of the people I deleted of Facebook, that they started coming up with conspiracies about it within a few HOURS of the initial marathon bombing.
Title: Re: Possible shootout at MIT?
Post by: Scotsgit on April 20, 2013, 10:31:34 am
Everyone did.  The fact they managed to get the bastard alive speaks volumes of the negotiator.

Ironbite-now the fun really starts.

You mean all the Conspiratards frothing at the mouth?

You mean they haven't been this whole time?

Conspiritards started ranting about the Superbowl blackout within a day of its occurrence. They probably started talking about random conspiracies as soon as they heard the word "Boston" and didn't bother to check what had even happened until someone slapped them and got them to shut up.

I can tell you for a fact, given some of the people I deleted of Facebook, that they started coming up with conspiracies about it within a few HOURS of the initial marathon bombing.

I had one ranting about how Obama had met with a Saudi Prince on the Wednesday and the real suspect was a Saudi who had been deported.  It was accompanied with a (badly) photoshopped pic of Obama standing next to bin Laden.  The piece he was quoting it from had a bit in it from FAUX news and, to give the swine their due, even FAUX didn't mention anything about it, so dear knows where the stupid tit was getting his ideas from.
Title: Re: Possible shootout at MIT?
Post by: Patches on April 20, 2013, 10:53:00 am
I had one ranting about how Obama had met with a Saudi Prince on the Wednesday and the real suspect was a Saudi who had been deported.  It was accompanied with a (badly) photoshopped pic of Obama standing next to bin Laden.  The piece he was quoting it from had a bit in it from FAUX news and, to give the swine their due, even FAUX didn't mention anything about it, so dear knows where the stupid tit was getting his ideas from.

Glenn Beck (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndEj4JEjz0g).  He basically started a witch hunt for this Saudi national, which is why he was put into protective custody in the first place, and Beck is using the fact that the US is protecting the guy from his lynch mob as proof that he's the real culprit and Obama is in on it.
Title: Re: Possible shootout at MIT?
Post by: mellenORL on April 20, 2013, 11:55:43 am
Beck and Jones have so much shit talk out there that one of the Tsaraev's  aunts has been using it to grasp at straws to prop up her belief in her nephews' innocence. And the same goes for their shocked and grieving dad back in Russia. Their family are also victims of the terrorists' heinous acts, right along with their bombing and shooting victims' families.

As awful as these lying Actual False Flag Wavers are in general, to see what their sweet tasting poison is doing to bewildered and bereaved Tsaraev relatives is pretty tragic in itself. Considering the forthrightness of their Uncle Tsarli in his statements, the contrast is a sad thing to see.
Title: Re: Possible shootout at MIT?
Post by: Rabbit of Caerbannog on April 20, 2013, 12:11:43 pm
I had one ranting about how Obama had met with a Saudi Prince on the Wednesday and the real suspect was a Saudi who had been deported.  It was accompanied with a (badly) photoshopped pic of Obama standing next to bin Laden.  The piece he was quoting it from had a bit in it from FAUX news and, to give the swine their due, even FAUX didn't mention anything about it, so dear knows where the stupid tit was getting his ideas from.

Glenn Beck (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndEj4JEjz0g).  He basically started a witch hunt for this Saudi national, which is why he was put into protective custody in the first place, and Beck is using the fact that the US is protecting the guy from his lynch mob as proof that he's the real culprit and Obama is in on it.
Oh god the video...yeah Glenn's gonna give the government until Monday to explain the Boston cover-up...or he'll throw the biggest hissy fit you've ever SEEN!
Title: Re: Possible shootout at MIT?
Post by: MadCatTLX on April 20, 2013, 01:49:04 pm
I had one ranting about how Obama had met with a Saudi Prince on the Wednesday and the real suspect was a Saudi who had been deported.  It was accompanied with a (badly) photoshopped pic of Obama standing next to bin Laden.  The piece he was quoting it from had a bit in it from FAUX news and, to give the swine their due, even FAUX didn't mention anything about it, so dear knows where the stupid tit was getting his ideas from.

Glenn Beck (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndEj4JEjz0g).  He basically started a witch hunt for this Saudi national, which is why he was put into protective custody in the first place, and Beck is using the fact that the US is protecting the guy from his lynch mob as proof that he's the real culprit and Obama is in on it.
Oh god the video...yeah Glenn's gonna give the government until Monday to explain the Boston cover-up...or he'll throw the biggest hissy fit you've ever SEEN!

*wheels out popcorn machine*

Popcorn, get your popcorn here!
Title: Re: Possible shootout at MIT?
Post by: ThunderWulf on April 20, 2013, 01:57:14 pm
I had one ranting about how Obama had met with a Saudi Prince on the Wednesday and the real suspect was a Saudi who had been deported.  It was accompanied with a (badly) photoshopped pic of Obama standing next to bin Laden.  The piece he was quoting it from had a bit in it from FAUX news and, to give the swine their due, even FAUX didn't mention anything about it, so dear knows where the stupid tit was getting his ideas from.

Glenn Beck (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndEj4JEjz0g).  He basically started a witch hunt for this Saudi national, which is why he was put into protective custody in the first place, and Beck is using the fact that the US is protecting the guy from his lynch mob as proof that he's the real culprit and Obama is in on it.

"I don't bluff."

-_-  If you say so Glenn.
Title: Re: Possible shootout at MIT?
Post by: ironbite on April 20, 2013, 01:58:52 pm
I had one ranting about how Obama had met with a Saudi Prince on the Wednesday and the real suspect was a Saudi who had been deported.  It was accompanied with a (badly) photoshopped pic of Obama standing next to bin Laden.  The piece he was quoting it from had a bit in it from FAUX news and, to give the swine their due, even FAUX didn't mention anything about it, so dear knows where the stupid tit was getting his ideas from.

Glenn Beck (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndEj4JEjz0g).  He basically started a witch hunt for this Saudi national, which is why he was put into protective custody in the first place, and Beck is using the fact that the US is protecting the guy from his lynch mob as proof that he's the real culprit and Obama is in on it.

No....just no.  Someone arrests Mr. Beck now.   Pretty sure making threats against the government is illegal.

Ironbite-and Alex Jones can go rot in a prison of his own body.
Title: Re: Possible shootout at MIT?
Post by: Rabbit of Caerbannog on April 20, 2013, 02:01:34 pm
I had one ranting about how Obama had met with a Saudi Prince on the Wednesday and the real suspect was a Saudi who had been deported.  It was accompanied with a (badly) photoshopped pic of Obama standing next to bin Laden.  The piece he was quoting it from had a bit in it from FAUX news and, to give the swine their due, even FAUX didn't mention anything about it, so dear knows where the stupid tit was getting his ideas from.

Glenn Beck (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndEj4JEjz0g).  He basically started a witch hunt for this Saudi national, which is why he was put into protective custody in the first place, and Beck is using the fact that the US is protecting the guy from his lynch mob as proof that he's the real culprit and Obama is in on it.

No....just no.  Someone arrests Mr. Beck now.   Pretty sure making threats against the government is illegal.

Ironbite-and Alex Jones can go rot in a prison of his own body.
I wouldn't call that a threat of physical violence--I think he's planning on "exposing" government officials. Nothing worth arresting anyone over.
Title: Re: Possible shootout at MIT?
Post by: chitoryu12 on April 20, 2013, 02:09:49 pm
I had one ranting about how Obama had met with a Saudi Prince on the Wednesday and the real suspect was a Saudi who had been deported.  It was accompanied with a (badly) photoshopped pic of Obama standing next to bin Laden.  The piece he was quoting it from had a bit in it from FAUX news and, to give the swine their due, even FAUX didn't mention anything about it, so dear knows where the stupid tit was getting his ideas from.

Glenn Beck (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndEj4JEjz0g).  He basically started a witch hunt for this Saudi national, which is why he was put into protective custody in the first place, and Beck is using the fact that the US is protecting the guy from his lynch mob as proof that he's the real culprit and Obama is in on it.

No....just no.  Someone arrests Mr. Beck now.   Pretty sure making threats against the government is illegal.

Ironbite-and Alex Jones can go rot in a prison of his own body.
I wouldn't call that a threat of physical violence--I think he's planning on "exposing" government officials. Nothing worth arresting anyone over.

Expose WHAT? What does he have that's not half-coherent, unsubstantiated ramblings? He has as less ability to expose anyone than the guy growing marijuana plants next door.
Title: Re: Possible shootout at MIT?
Post by: MadCatTLX on April 20, 2013, 10:19:07 pm
It appears that that the suspect will not be given Miranda Rights, and will be interrogated by the High Value Interrogation Group. Republicans are criticizing the Obama administration for not restricting the suspects rights enough.

http://news.msn.com/crime-justice/miranda-rights-question-hovers-over-bombings-prosecution?ocid=ansnews11 (http://news.msn.com/crime-justice/miranda-rights-question-hovers-over-bombings-prosecution?ocid=ansnews11)

I'm pretty sure they'll be using torture here.
Title: Re: Possible shootout at MIT?
Post by: Rabbit of Caerbannog on April 20, 2013, 10:37:11 pm
I had one ranting about how Obama had met with a Saudi Prince on the Wednesday and the real suspect was a Saudi who had been deported.  It was accompanied with a (badly) photoshopped pic of Obama standing next to bin Laden.  The piece he was quoting it from had a bit in it from FAUX news and, to give the swine their due, even FAUX didn't mention anything about it, so dear knows where the stupid tit was getting his ideas from.

Glenn Beck (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndEj4JEjz0g).  He basically started a witch hunt for this Saudi national, which is why he was put into protective custody in the first place, and Beck is using the fact that the US is protecting the guy from his lynch mob as proof that he's the real culprit and Obama is in on it.

No....just no.  Someone arrests Mr. Beck now.   Pretty sure making threats against the government is illegal.

Ironbite-and Alex Jones can go rot in a prison of his own body.
I wouldn't call that a threat of physical violence--I think he's planning on "exposing" government officials. Nothing worth arresting anyone over.

Expose WHAT? What does he have that's not half-coherent, unsubstantiated ramblings? He has as less ability to expose anyone than the guy growing marijuana plants next door.
Excuse me, I misheard him. Glenn Beck is actually going to expose himself to government officials. I sincerely regret the error.
Title: Re: Possible shootout at MIT?
Post by: chitoryu12 on April 20, 2013, 10:57:16 pm
Well, I'd expect his dangly bits to be half-coherent as well.
Title: Re: Possible shootout at MIT?
Post by: syaoranvee on April 20, 2013, 11:01:25 pm
The conspiracy lot also thought that the fertilizer plant blown up in Texas was supposed to be a distraction and the government lobbed a missile at it to cause the explosion.
Title: Re: Possible shootout at MIT?
Post by: chitoryu12 on April 21, 2013, 06:41:26 am
The conspiracy lot also thought that the fertilizer plant blown up in Texas was supposed to be a distraction and the government lobbed a missile at it to cause the explosion.

That's why the video of it shows the entire sky visible as the plant burns massively right before exploding, right?

There's not even a plane for them to use to justify their wackiness. Next it'll be "invisible hypersonic cruise missiles", which they "prove" by pointing out a slight staticky woosh as the cameraman moves the camera.
Title: Re: Possible shootout at MIT?
Post by: Canadian Mojo on April 21, 2013, 09:33:04 am
The conspiracy lot also thought that the fertilizer plant blown up in Texas was supposed to be a distraction and the government lobbed a missile at it to cause the explosion.

That's why the video of it shows the entire sky visible as the plant burns massively right before exploding, right?

There's not even a plane for them to use to justify their wackiness. Next it'll be "invisible hypersonic cruise missiles", which they "prove" by pointing out a slight staticky woosh as the cameraman moves the camera.

Lasers.
Title: Re: Possible shootout at MIT?
Post by: Shane for Wax on April 21, 2013, 10:23:32 am
It appears that that the suspect will not be given Miranda Rights, and will be interrogated by the High Value Interrogation Group. Republicans are criticizing the Obama administration for not restricting the suspects rights enough.

http://news.msn.com/crime-justice/miranda-rights-question-hovers-over-bombings-prosecution?ocid=ansnews11 (http://news.msn.com/crime-justice/miranda-rights-question-hovers-over-bombings-prosecution?ocid=ansnews11)

I'm pretty sure they'll be using torture here.

Miranda Rights actually don't have to be read in some circumstances. That doesn't mean much of anything.
Title: Re: Possible shootout at MIT?
Post by: Scotsgit on April 21, 2013, 10:41:33 am
The conspiracy lot also thought that the fertilizer plant blown up in Texas was supposed to be a distraction and the government lobbed a missile at it to cause the explosion.

That's why the video of it shows the entire sky visible as the plant burns massively right before exploding, right?

There's not even a plane for them to use to justify their wackiness. Next it'll be "invisible hypersonic cruise missiles", which they "prove" by pointing out a slight staticky woosh as the cameraman moves the camera.

Apparently 9/11 was a missile disguised by laser holographic technology.

You know, I wish we had the kind of technology.  Would certainly beat the hell out of the pish 3D effects you get in cinemas.
Title: Re: Possible shootout at MIT?
Post by: Barbarella on April 21, 2013, 10:51:09 am
Well, I'd expect his dangly bits to be half-coherent as well.

The Govt. will have to get an electron microscope.
Title: Re: Possible shootout at MIT?
Post by: Rabbit of Caerbannog on April 21, 2013, 12:25:11 pm
Excellent article (http://www.salon.com/2013/04/20/how_boston_exposes_americas_dark_post_911_bargain/) on how our post-9/11 mentality continues to harm us in the wake of the Boston attack.
Title: Re: Possible shootout at MIT?
Post by: Rabbit of Caerbannog on April 21, 2013, 03:47:26 pm
It appears that that the suspect will not be given Miranda Rights, and will be interrogated by the High Value Interrogation Group. Republicans are criticizing the Obama administration for not restricting the suspects rights enough.

http://news.msn.com/crime-justice/miranda-rights-question-hovers-over-bombings-prosecution?ocid=ansnews11 (http://news.msn.com/crime-justice/miranda-rights-question-hovers-over-bombings-prosecution?ocid=ansnews11)

I'm pretty sure they'll be using torture here.

Miranda Rights actually don't have to be read in some circumstances. That doesn't mean much of anything.
There is an exception for Miranda Rights--the public safety exception. And it absolutely matters (http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2013/04/dzhokhar_tsarnaev_and_miranda_rights_the_public_safety_exception_and_terrorism.html).
Title: Re: Possible shootout at MIT?
Post by: Shane for Wax on April 21, 2013, 04:49:51 pm
I never said it didn't matter. I said it didn't mean much of anything. There's a very big difference. Mainly because of what I was responding to that there was going to be torture.
Title: Re: Possible shootout at MIT?
Post by: Rabbit of Caerbannog on April 21, 2013, 05:26:18 pm
I never said it didn't matter. I said it didn't mean much of anything. There's a very big difference. Mainly because of what I was responding to that there was going to be torture.
It just sounded like you were dismissing it entirely, that's all.
Title: Re: Possible shootout at MIT?
Post by: Shane for Wax on April 21, 2013, 05:39:05 pm
I wouldn't do that, for future reference.
Title: Re: Possible shootout at MIT?
Post by: Yla on April 21, 2013, 05:47:06 pm
I am aghast at how cavalier people are about the prospect that the guy will be interrogated under torture.
Title: Re: Possible shootout at MIT?
Post by: MadCatTLX on April 21, 2013, 10:06:19 pm
I am aghast at how cavalier people are about the prospect that the guy will be interrogated under torture.

I'm against the use of torture on him, but I think I'm in the minority. (Not on here, in general) Torture is generally useless to get information and it absolutely pointless when using it to get a confession. I'd make an exception for when the torture isn't officially condoned, in a dire situation, and the information is very important right fucking now, like a nuke equivalent to the Tsar Bomba hidden in New York.
Title: Re: Possible shootout at MIT?
Post by: chitoryu12 on April 21, 2013, 11:07:24 pm
I am aghast at how cavalier people are about the prospect that the guy will be interrogated under torture.

I'm against the use of torture on him, but I think I'm in the minority. (Not on here, in general) Torture is generally useless to get information and it absolutely pointless when using it to get a confession. I'd make an exception for when the torture isn't officially condoned, in a dire situation, and the information is very important right fucking now, like a nuke equivalent to the Tsar Bomba hidden in New York.

Even then, there's no guarantee that the torture will get what you want. Torture is notoriously problematic because people will say anything their captor wants to hear as long as it stops the pain. Even if you've got someone who legitimately knows where the aforementioned nuke is, there's nothing stopping him from giving a fake location to stop the torture and ensure that investigators still don't find the bomb.
Title: Re: Possible shootout at MIT?
Post by: TheUnknown on April 21, 2013, 11:28:12 pm
According to Yahoo (http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/tsarnaev-condition-hospital-fbi-153246539.html), he's awake now and is answering questions through writing.
Title: Re: Possible shootout at MIT?
Post by: ironbite on April 22, 2013, 01:37:56 am
Bet most of them are, "Are there more explosives out there?"

Ironbite-really the only question he should be asked right now.
Title: Re: Possible shootout at MIT?
Post by: mellenORL on April 22, 2013, 01:42:45 pm
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324235304578437131250259170.html (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324235304578437131250259170.html)

Why did they do it? That's what everyone wants to know. Until "Jahar" recovers enough to really start writing, it's interesting to read what the family and friends are saying, to find out the details of the family's estrangement that their Uncle Tsarli intimated during his first statements to the press a few days ago. The above link is to a very interesting article in WSJ.
Title: Re: Possible shootout at MIT?
Post by: Rabbit of Caerbannog on April 22, 2013, 02:15:48 pm
He won't be tried as an enemy combatant. (http://www.salon.com/2013/04/22/dzhokhar_tsarnaev_will_not_be_tried_as_enemy_combatant/) YES!  :D
Title: Re: Possible shootout at MIT?
Post by: mellenORL on April 22, 2013, 10:40:42 pm
Trial in federal court for using a weapon of mass destruction is what got Timothy McVeigh the death penalty. Guantanomo, if it continues to be used, would be a hellish life sentence, for all practical purposes. Also, remember that Federal death row convicts don't wait very long to die; there is no backlog of such felons, and like McVeigh, if Tsaraev  is condemned, he'll be executed within a couple of years, at most.
Title: Re: Possible shootout at MIT?
Post by: ironbite on April 23, 2013, 01:09:12 am
He'll more then likely get life in prison which means there's a nice federal Super Max prison situated in a blind canyon.

Ironbite-where if you escape, the guards look for the shriveled husk that used to be your body.
Title: Re: Possible shootout at MIT?
Post by: Barbarella on April 23, 2013, 01:51:13 am
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324235304578437131250259170.html (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324235304578437131250259170.html)

Why did they do it? That's what everyone wants to know. Until "Jahar" recovers enough to really start writing, it's interesting to read what the family and friends are saying, to find out the details of the family's estrangement that their Uncle Tsarli intimated during his first statements to the press a few days ago. The above link is to a very interesting article in WSJ.

Looks like Mom inadvertently turned the boys to the Dark side. Big Brother was having issues & Mom caught the Quran-thumper bug, spreading it to him (who in turn spread it to kid brother). Mom & Dad's marriage went kerflooie due to Mom's (and eventually son's)  newfound fundieness. Shame, too. The son's seemed like mostly okay guys for the most part until they got crazy (though the big brother was a brash jerk who hit his girlfriend but little brother sounded like a carefree, sweet boy by most accounts. Fundie religion can sure poison the hell out of people).
Title: Re: Possible shootout at MIT?
Post by: TheUnknown on April 23, 2013, 02:26:48 am
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324235304578437131250259170.html (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324235304578437131250259170.html)

Why did they do it? That's what everyone wants to know. Until "Jahar" recovers enough to really start writing, it's interesting to read what the family and friends are saying, to find out the details of the family's estrangement that their Uncle Tsarli intimated during his first statements to the press a few days ago. The above link is to a very interesting article in WSJ.

Looks like Mom inadvertently turned the boys to the Dark side. Big Brother was having issues & Mom caught the Quran-thumper bug, spreading it to him (who in turn spread it to kid brother). Mom & Dad's marriage went kerflooie due to Mom's (and eventually son's)  newfound fundieness. Shame, too. The son's seemed like mostly fun guys for the most part until they got crazy (though the big brother was a brash jerk who hit his girlfriend but little brother sounded like a carefree, sweet boy by most accounts. Fundie religion can sure poison the hell out of people).

It's seems like the new converts or the formally lapsed who rediscover their religion (like Christian Born Agains, but I don't know if there's a common term) tend to be the most aggressive and zealous.
Title: Re: Possible shootout at MIT?
Post by: Barbarella on April 23, 2013, 09:48:27 am
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324235304578437131250259170.html (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324235304578437131250259170.html)

Why did they do it? That's what everyone wants to know. Until "Jahar" recovers enough to really start writing, it's interesting to read what the family and friends are saying, to find out the details of the family's estrangement that their Uncle Tsarli intimated during his first statements to the press a few days ago. The above link is to a very interesting article in WSJ.

Looks like Mom inadvertently turned the boys to the Dark side. Big Brother was having issues & Mom caught the Quran-thumper bug, spreading it to him (who in turn spread it to kid brother). Mom & Dad's marriage went kerflooie due to Mom's (and eventually son's)  newfound fundieness. Shame, too. The son's seemed like mostly fun guys for the most part until they got crazy (though the big brother was a brash jerk who hit his girlfriend but little brother sounded like a carefree, sweet boy by most accounts. Fundie religion can sure poison the hell out of people).

It's seems like the new converts or the formally lapsed who rediscover their religion (like Christian Born Agains, but I don't know if there's a common term) tend to be the most aggressive and zealous.

I agree. Heck I ALMOST pity the younger brother. Here's a cute young kid who seemed to be the nicer & happier of the two, with friends & everything. But he was one of those "follow big brother" types. Big brother seemed to be the one with the issues. Big brother's stupidity rubbed off on the younger guy. I'd like to think that he was simply a good kid who got brainwashed into pure evil. Of course, he could've had those tendencies from birth (sociopaths can appear as normal, happy people). That said, he's still a jerk & he's the one who placed the bomb by the 8 year old who died (there's a photo of this). The fact that a guy can place a bomb by a small boy obviously indicates that he has no soul (though he could've reasoned, if he cared, 'The little one will be with Allah', though I doubt it).

This whole mess in the family started because Mom decided to go Fundie & Big Brother was a violent douche to his girlfriend.

If Big Brother hadn't been abusive to his girlfriend, he wouldn't have had problems with becoming a U.S. citizen & an Olympic Kickboxer (a big dream of his).

If Mom didn't turn into The Mosque Lady ('Isn't that special'), she wouldn't have exploited Big Brother's personal foibles to convert him, thus turning him into "Mr. Jihad Guy" who spread it to his (by all accounts) otherwise nice, friendly, well-adjusted, outgoing, fully-assimilated Kid Brother (who looked up to Big Brother WAAAAAY too much). Mom & Pop's marriage wouldn't have gone down the tubes.

Big Brother quit kickboxing due to his becoming radicalized (Mom's fault) and because of the mess with immigration (his woman-beating fault). According to that pictorial about him as a kickboxer (taken a few years back), he stated that should he become an Olympian, he wanted to kickbox on behalf of the United States since, because Chechnya is part of Russia, he didn't want to represent Russia.

The best way to get rid of terrorism is to get it at the roots...Religious Fanaticism & Political Grievance. This stupidity easily spreads due to political grievances. Give the Chechen people independence! Israel must accept the Palestinians as their own & treat them as fellow citizens & equals (rename the country Israel-Palestine, Palestine-Israel or simply 'The Holyland')! Go to Afghanistan to do humanitarian things like build schools, fix roads & infrastructure, feed the hungry, help people...not the GI Joe routine (GI Joe can be on the perimeter to guard from Taliban but nothing more). And finally, Moderate/Sane Muslim Madrassas, teach the faith in a way that promotes peace & not terrorism, teach against Islamozealotry.

Do these few things & Islamozealot terrorism & ideas will be GREATLY reduced. Islam wasn't always this stupid. Heck, Muslim societies in the Middle Ages were some of the cleanest, most enlightened, most educated societies. Muslims developed Algebra & made many scientific breakthroughs.

The Abrahamic scriptures (The Tanackh, The Bible, The Quran) are such that The Regressive & Progressive can find something to follow. Folks should be taught how to interpret Progressively. If not, then it isn't for them.
Title: Re: Possible shootout at MIT?
Post by: Sleepy on April 23, 2013, 10:56:20 am
It's really a shame that the older brother died, because he seemed to play a much larger role in this and should be here to face the consequences.
Title: Re: Possible shootout at MIT?
Post by: mellenORL on April 23, 2013, 11:38:46 am
I feel sorry for their parents. These people are the equivalent of your neighbors down the street. Dad's an attorney, mom's got a degree, too. Dad steers his oldest son to boxing as an outlet for the big lug's aggressive tendencies; a logical, good-parenting move. But, the boy just gets cocky and disdainful and full of himself. Mom then tries to get him turned around from being a bully douchebag by leading him onto the narrow "good boy" path (as she envisioned the religious training), but true to his nature, Tamerlan focuses on the aggressive, stern and dominating aspects of the really dark fundie side of Islam. Go back to my "neighbors down the street" scenario, and replace orthodox Islam with evangelical Christianity. Now, watch the older son in this case also find the aggressive, domineering, stern Dominionist tenets to his liking, and he goes off looking at uber-radical dominionist shit and decides that bombing abortion clinics is his holy warrior dream...
Warrior fixation, a justification to do the violence he had a hankering for all along. Where did his love of aggression come from? Yeah, some people are just born more alpha. But I think he grew up seeing and hearing all the shit the Chechen people have dealt with trying for independence, and it made him angry. Then the terrorism acts got really frequent and horrible. Then the Russians fucked up bad in several hostage "rescues" (horrible consequences!), and cracked down even harder on Chechens. Look at how his dad got sacked for really no reason other than being Chechen! So, Tamerlan  had grown into one raging, seething ball of hatred just looking for a time and place to explode.....which ended up being Boston.

I think Tamerlan always dominated Dhurkhar as they grew up. Little brother is one fucked up piece of Tamerlan's work. In an alternate reality, Jahar would be just what he looks like; a nice, cute boy. As it is, he tore up his humanity membership card. He'll probably be condemned to death. That is actually a blessing in comparison to living the rest of his life - 50 to 60 years - in supermax solitary confinement.
   
Title: Re: Possible shootout at MIT?
Post by: Rabbit of Caerbannog on April 23, 2013, 11:44:26 am
It's really a shame that the older brother died, because he seemed to play a much larger role in this and should be here to face the consequences.
You mean consequences other than being shot full of holes? :)
Title: Re: Possible shootout at MIT?
Post by: nickiknack on April 23, 2013, 12:05:38 pm
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324235304578437131250259170.html (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324235304578437131250259170.html)

Why did they do it? That's what everyone wants to know. Until "Jahar" recovers enough to really start writing, it's interesting to read what the family and friends are saying, to find out the details of the family's estrangement that their Uncle Tsarli intimated during his first statements to the press a few days ago. The above link is to a very interesting article in WSJ.

Why did I look at the comments, which basically boils down to islamophobia and let's all hate liberals...though to be fair it is the WSJ, which is right leaning.
Title: Re: Possible shootout at MIT?
Post by: Rabbit of Caerbannog on April 23, 2013, 12:12:30 pm
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324235304578437131250259170.html (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324235304578437131250259170.html)

Why did they do it? That's what everyone wants to know. Until "Jahar" recovers enough to really start writing, it's interesting to read what the family and friends are saying, to find out the details of the family's estrangement that their Uncle Tsarli intimated during his first statements to the press a few days ago. The above link is to a very interesting article in WSJ.

Why did I look at the comments, which basically boils down to islamophobia and let's all hate liberals...though to be fair it is the WSJ, which is right leaning.
It's owned by Rupert Murdoch, of course it's a right-wing paper. And as I tell everyone, never read Web site comments, they're going to be depressingly bigoted and stupid without fail.
Title: Re: Possible shootout at MIT?
Post by: Sleepy on April 23, 2013, 01:18:29 pm
It's really a shame that the older brother died, because he seemed to play a much larger role in this and should be here to face the consequences.
You mean consequences other than being shot full of holes? :)

I think trial and solitary confinement would be far worse for him. If he were sentenced to death, then at least it would be after going through trial and being told what a monster he is a million times. He got off too easy.
Title: Re: Possible shootout at MIT?
Post by: Barbarella on April 24, 2013, 10:03:08 am
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324235304578437131250259170.html (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324235304578437131250259170.html)

Why did they do it? That's what everyone wants to know. Until "Jahar" recovers enough to really start writing, it's interesting to read what the family and friends are saying, to find out the details of the family's estrangement that their Uncle Tsarli intimated during his first statements to the press a few days ago. The above link is to a very interesting article in WSJ.


Why did I look at the comments, which basically boils down to islamophobia and let's all hate liberals...though to be fair it is the WSJ, which is right leaning.
It's owned by Rupert Murdoch, of course it's a right-wing paper. And as I tell everyone, never read Web site comments, they're going to be depressingly bigoted and stupid without fail.

Yeah, it seems with ANY news site the nuts have a tendency to comment more than the nice people.
Title: Re: Possible shootout at MIT?
Post by: nickiknack on April 24, 2013, 11:22:46 am
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324235304578437131250259170.html (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324235304578437131250259170.html)

Why did they do it? That's what everyone wants to know. Until "Jahar" recovers enough to really start writing, it's interesting to read what the family and friends are saying, to find out the details of the family's estrangement that their Uncle Tsarli intimated during his first statements to the press a few days ago. The above link is to a very interesting article in WSJ.


Why did I look at the comments, which basically boils down to islamophobia and let's all hate liberals...though to be fair it is the WSJ, which is right leaning.
It's owned by Rupert Murdoch, of course it's a right-wing paper. And as I tell everyone, never read Web site comments, they're going to be depressingly bigoted and stupid without fail.

Yeah, it seems with ANY news site the nuts have a tendency to comment more than the nice people.

To be fair, as Rabbit said, it's pretty right leaning and a lot the comments are a goldmine for comments that poor shame, even though I see a lot of that on any comment section, since it's the vogue thing to do.