Tom Clancy has died.

[Alehksunos]

I tried to read clancy, i just found it too dry and tedious. Guns guns random american army company more guns!

This is why I have not read a book by Tom Clancy and never will.

And at the risk of sounding incredibly callous, this is also why I'm not startled to hear about his demise.

[Shane for Wax]

One day I will read a thread about someone who wasn't a bad person dying and I won't have to see people posting just to say they didn't like the person who died. Or at least not within a few posts.

Today isn't that day.

Anyways, I enjoyed his books though I found the video games to be a bit more fun. I have spent many an hour with Rainbow Six and the like. I enjoyed the books mainly because it also helped shape the way I write certain characters who have similar jobs to Rainbow Six.

The guy knew his stuff. He may not have written about awe-inspiring things or jaw-dropping plots but what he wrote wasn't horrendous.

[Rabbit of Caerbannog]

link to the poem since I would have said White Mans Burden by Kipling

Which poem be this?

I want to know of this racist poem that he wrote.

It was a 1912 poem called On the Creation of Niggers:

"When, long ago, the gods created Earth
 In Jove’s fair image Man was shaped at birth.
 The beasts for lesser parts were next designed;
 Yet were they too remote from humankind.
 To fill the gap, and join the rest to Man,
 Th’Olympian host conceiv’d a clever plan.
 A beast they wrought, in semi-human figure,
 Filled it with vice, and called the thing a Nigger."

[MadCatTLX]

I haven't read his books, only payed the video games based on them. From what's been said I take it it's the 50 Shades of Grey of gun porn?

[Shane for Wax]

That's insulting. Maybe if it were poorly written and carried a message of poor gun control (i use gun control in the literal not the political sense) and use then yes.

[Rabbit of Caerbannog]

I haven't read his books, only payed the video games based on them. From what's been said I take it it's the 50 Shades of Grey of gun porn?

With some Red Scare melodrama thrown in.

[MadCatTLX]

That's insulting. Maybe if it were poorly written and carried a message of poor gun control (i use gun control in the literal not the political sense) and use then yes.

Fair enough. One question though, what did he class the AKs-74u as? A rifle, a PDW, or an SMG?

[Shane for Wax]

That weapon wasn't used in his writing as far as I'm aware.

Weapons such as the Beretta 8045 Cougar, H&K MP5/10, and M60s were more common. With the Remington M24 and Knight's Armament M110 for snipers.

But it depends on which series you're talking about. And frankly, I really have no time to go digging into my books to see what named weapons were used.

[kefkaownsall]

link to the poem since I would have said White Mans Burden by Kipling

Which poem be this?

I want to know of this racist poem that he wrote.

It was a 1912 poem called On the Creation of Niggers:

"When, long ago, the gods created Earth
 In Jove’s fair image Man was shaped at birth.
 The beasts for lesser parts were next designed;
 Yet were they too remote from humankind.
 To fill the gap, and join the rest to Man,
 Th’Olympian host conceiv’d a clever plan.
 A beast they wrought, in semi-human figure,
 Filled it with vice, and called the thing a Nigger."

Wow 

[Meshakhad]

I personally enjoyed many of his books. I admit he had his issues, but he was a good writer in my opinion.

[chitoryu12]

That's insulting. Maybe if it were poorly written and carried a message of poor gun control (i use gun control in the literal not the political sense) and use then yes.

Fair enough. One question though, what did he class the AKs-74u as? A rifle, a PDW, or an SMG?

[gun nerd]

It should properly be classified as a rifle, as it's a longarm (it has a stock and is meant to be held with two hands) that fires a rifle cartridge. By definition it can't be a submachine gun, as 5.45x39mm isn't a pistol cartridge. Some would try to classify 5.7x28mm and 4.6x30mm as rifle cartridges or otherwise claim that they're not pistol rounds, but just because they're shaped like rifle rounds doesn't mean that they ARE. Go shoot a 5-7 and tell me that you're firing a rifle round.

"PDW" is a nebulous concept that refers to the purpose for the gun, rather than its design. Even now we're going back and retroactively trying to classify weapons as PDWs that were made before the term was ever coined. It can be a submachine gun, a carbine, whatever. As long as it's small, relatively powerful (especially against armor), and preferably full auto.

If you try to call the AKS-74U a submachine gun, though, you should be slapped.

[/gun nerd]

[Askold]

One day I will read a thread about someone who wasn't a bad person dying and I won't have to see people posting just to say they didn't like the person who died. Or at least not within a few posts.

Today isn't that day.

Good point. I might not like all the writers and bands in the world but if I'm going to show up just to say how glad I am that person X is dead it will have to be someone I utterly despise and they better be a monster. Like Hitler, Gaddafi, or something on that scale. Not just a writer I didn't care for.

[gun nerd]
I personally would call AKs-74u and the similar AR-15 versions carbines. They fire an intermediate/rifle round and are short rifles. Carbine.

And I also understand why they are often lumped together with SMGs, they fill the same "slot." Short automatic weapon for special force, tank crews and other troops that require something smaller than a full sized assault rifle. The fact that they use the same ammo as the assault rifles is a bonus since it makes support easier with less calibers and ammo types to worry about.

And I'm not even going to complain about this derail since this really seems appropriate.
[/gun nerd]

[MadCatTLX]

That's insulting. Maybe if it were poorly written and carried a message of poor gun control (i use gun control in the literal not the political sense) and use then yes.

Fair enough. One question though, what did he class the AKs-74u as? A rifle, a PDW, or an SMG?

[gun nerd]

It should properly be classified as a rifle, as it's a longarm (it has a stock and is meant to be held with two hands) that fires a rifle cartridge. By definition it can't be a submachine gun, as 5.45x39mm isn't a pistol cartridge. Some would try to classify 5.7x28mm and 4.6x30mm as rifle cartridges or otherwise claim that they're not pistol rounds, but just because they're shaped like rifle rounds doesn't mean that they ARE. Go shoot a 5-7 and tell me that you're firing a rifle round.

"PDW" is a nebulous concept that refers to the purpose for the gun, rather than its design. Even now we're going back and retroactively trying to classify weapons as PDWs that were made before the term was ever coined. It can be a submachine gun, a carbine, whatever. As long as it's small, relatively powerful (especially against armor), and preferably full auto.

If you try to call the AKS-74U a submachine gun, though, you should be slapped.

[/gun nerd]

Exactly. I listed listed the answers from most acceptable to least, knowing full well PDW is a very nebulous concept. I think most video games class is as an SMG because it's used by the same class (Usually engineer or medic) that normally uses SMGs. That doesn't make it any less eye twitch inducing when it's called an SMG.

The AKs-74u is really good for seeing if people know anything about guns outside of COD.

[chitoryu12]

One day I will read a thread about someone who wasn't a bad person dying and I won't have to see people posting just to say they didn't like the person who died. Or at least not within a few posts.

Today isn't that day.

Good point. I might not like all the writers and bands in the world but if I'm going to show up just to say how glad I am that person X is dead it will have to be someone I utterly despise and they better be a monster. Like Hitler, Gaddafi, or something on that scale. Not just a writer I didn't care for.

[gun nerd]
I personally would call AKs-74u and the similar AR-15 versions carbines. They fire an intermediate/rifle round and are short rifles. Carbine.

And I also understand why they are often lumped together with SMGs, they fill the same "slot." Short automatic weapon for special force, tank crews and other troops that require something smaller than a full sized assault rifle. The fact that they use the same ammo as the assault rifles is a bonus since it makes support easier with less calibers and ammo types to worry about.

And I'm not even going to complain about this derail since this really seems appropriate.
[/gun nerd]

Typically, the only nations that lump compact carbines in with SMGs are ones like the Soviet Union that, at the time, used very few or no actual submachine guns. SMGs in the USSR (especially Russia itself) were very rare, as the assault rifle was meant to generally supersede them, so the AKS-74U was basically the closest they got. It's mostly just a cultural quirk.

Exactly. I listed listed the answers from most acceptable to least, knowing full well PDW is a very nebulous concept. I think most video games class is as an SMG because it's used by the same class (Usually engineer or medic) that normally uses SMGs. That doesn't make it any less eye twitch inducing when it's called an SMG.

Call of Duty specifically makes it an SMG in all manners (including power, so it hits no harder than an Uzi) except for being capable of penetrating barriers like rifles.

[MadCatTLX]

Skorpian, PM63, Kiparis, and most notably the PPSH. Those are just the ones I know off the top of my head from the appearance in COD:BO. They had SMGs, most aren't particularly famous though.