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Title: My new websites
Post by: Jacob Harrison on June 27, 2018, 07:37:47 pm
This is the site where I promote my political and cultural views.

http://americaenglandanglosaxonculture.blogspot.com/?m=1

This is the site that promotes my new Christian sect of my specific religious views. I am going to create a society based on the sect.

http://jacobharrisonanglocatholicsociety.blogspot.com/?m=1
Title: Re: My new websites
Post by: niam2023 on June 28, 2018, 02:56:27 am
Just tell me when the mass suicide happens.

That or the mass murder.
Title: Re: My new websites
Post by: Jacob Harrison on June 28, 2018, 06:17:42 am
Just tell me when the mass suicide happens.

That or the mass murder.

You assume the worse case scenarios. I am not a psycho.
Title: Re: My new websites
Post by: SomeApe on June 29, 2018, 06:53:53 am
Everything that comes out of your mouth says you are.
Title: Re: My new websites
Post by: Lana Reverse on June 29, 2018, 11:27:03 am
Just tell me when the mass suicide happens.

That or the mass murder.

You assume the worse case scenarios. I am not a psycho.

Says the guy who wants to bring back having people hanged, drawn, and quartered.
Title: Re: My new websites
Post by: Jacob Harrison on June 29, 2018, 05:22:25 pm
Just tell me when the mass suicide happens.

That or the mass murder.

You assume the worse case scenarios. I am not a psycho.

Says the guy who wants to bring back having people hanged, drawn, and quartered.

That was the traditional punishment for high treason(trying to overthrow the monarch) in Merry Old England. The idea is that since trying to overthrow the monarch is the most severe crime, it deserves the most severe punishment. So it is not cruel or unusual it is in proportion to the crime. Only the leaders of rebellions or rebel plots against the monarch, will be punished that way.
Title: Re: My new websites
Post by: Kanzenkankaku on June 30, 2018, 12:12:28 am
How severe of a crime is being LGBT in Fundie England?
Title: Re: My new websites
Post by: dpareja on June 30, 2018, 12:13:53 am
How severe of a crime is being LGBT in Fundie England?

Well, let's remember what super-corrupt England did to Alan Turing...
Title: Re: My new websites
Post by: Jacob Harrison on June 30, 2018, 08:18:59 am
How severe of a crime is being LGBT in Fundie England?

Simply being LGBT will not be a crime, but it would be considered a disorder, and promoting it in education or by kissing in public, cross dressing, or having pride parades will be against the law. Gender reassignment surgery will be banned because it is completely unnatural for people to change their physical traits and claim that they changed their gender, because gender is not determined by feelings of identity, it is determined by whether the person has XX of XY chromosomes. All transgenders will be given reassignment surgery that brings them back to normal.

Lesbians and gays will be treated humanely with chemical castration drugs. Bisexuals will be taught to only pursue relations with the opposite sex.

I know I may be banned again for typing this because I was banned before for promoting giving chemical castration drugs to homosexuals.
Title: Re: My new websites
Post by: Art Vandelay on June 30, 2018, 08:51:54 am
Wants gays and lesbians to be castrated. Also wants himself to be castrated.

Huh. You know, I may just be crazy, but I think I'm seeing a certain implication here. I must say, this does explain quite a lot.
Title: Re: My new websites
Post by: dpareja on June 30, 2018, 04:23:44 pm
Chemical castration is humane? Fuck off.

Again, I point you to Alan Turing.
Title: Re: My new websites
Post by: Jacob Harrison on June 30, 2018, 04:34:22 pm
Chemical castration is humane? Fuck off.

Again, I point you to Alan Turing.

It is humane because it does not cause any harm. Yes Turing was treated so badly he committed suicide, but that is not the way homosexuals will be treated. They will not be arrested. They will instead be required by law to take routine chemical castration drugs for the rest of their lives.
Title: Re: My new websites
Post by: dpareja on June 30, 2018, 04:43:16 pm
Chemical castration is humane? Fuck off.

Again, I point you to Alan Turing.

It is humane because it does not cause any harm.

DA FUQ?

One, you're taking away their sex drive, a natural, healthy element in almost all humans. There is little difference, really, between that and chopping off someone's hand.

Two, yes it does cause harm, psychological harm, leading potentially to suicide. (Hey, doesn't your sky-daddy* think that's wrong too?)

The person probably individually most responsible a) for keeping Nazi Germany from successfully invading Great Britain and b) for shaping the modern world was chemically castrated and committed suicide because of it.

*Though actually that's you, brain studies have looked into this and found that when you're asked your opinion on a matter, one part of your brain lights up, and when you're asked what you think someone else's opinion on a matter is, another part lights up... guess which part lights up when you're asked God's opinion on an issue.
Title: Re: My new websites
Post by: Jacob Harrison on June 30, 2018, 04:47:10 pm
Chemical castration is humane? Fuck off.

Again, I point you to Alan Turing.

It is humane because it does not cause any harm.

DA FUQ?

One, you're taking away their sex drive, a natural, healthy element in almost all humans. There is little difference, really, between that and chopping off someone's hand.

Two, yes it does cause harm, psychological harm, leading potentially to suicide. (Hey, doesn't your sky-daddy* think that's wrong too?)

The person probably individually most responsible a) for keeping Nazi Germany from successfully invading Great Britain and b) for shaping the modern world was chemically castrated and committed suicide because of it.

*Though actually that's you, brain studies have looked into this and found that when you're asked your opinion on a matter, one part of your brain lights up, and when you're asked what you think someone else's opinion on a matter is, another part lights up... guess which part lights up when you're asked God's opinion on an issue.

Alan Turing committed suicide because he was treated badly, not because of the drugs. If you are chemically castrated, you will no longer want to have sex so after a while it will stop bothering you.
Title: Re: My new websites
Post by: dpareja on June 30, 2018, 04:49:40 pm
And part of his being treated badly was...

*drumroll*

THE DRUGS!

(In fact I'd say they were a large part of his being treated badly.)

What measurable, tangible harm to homosexuals and homosexual sex do to society as a whole?
Title: Re: My new websites
Post by: Jacob Harrison on June 30, 2018, 08:56:48 pm
And part of his being treated badly was...

*drumroll*

THE DRUGS!

(In fact I'd say they were a large part of his being treated badly.)

What measurable, tangible harm to homosexuals and homosexual sex do to society as a whole?

The fact that they promote it out in the open, encouraging cross dressing and other bad things. The drugs were a small part. What drove him into committing suicide was that people back then did not understand how it was beyond his control and they treated him like he was a horrible person, instead of someone who needed help.
Title: Re: My new websites
Post by: dpareja on June 30, 2018, 09:25:34 pm
What's wrong with crossdressing?

Also, everyone's sexuality is beyond their control, it's just that bigoted assholes like you have deemed certain sexualities "good" and others "bad" for no good reason.

And the only help he needed (that the government could effect, in any event) was the repeal of any and all laws against homosexuality.
Title: Re: My new websites
Post by: Jacob Harrison on June 30, 2018, 09:40:41 pm
What's wrong with crossdressing?

Also, everyone's sexuality is beyond their control, it's just that bigoted assholes like you have deemed certain sexualities "good" and others "bad" for no good reason.

And the only help he needed (that the government could effect, in any event) was the repeal of any and all laws against homosexuality.

It is just obscene and gross to see men wearing bikinis, skirts, etc.

If the government legalized homosexuality he still would have felt shame for feeling abnormal sexual feelings.
Title: Re: My new websites
Post by: Svata on June 30, 2018, 10:45:30 pm
Lol, fuck you. Obscenity is what you make it. Also, fuck any law that makes something illegal for being "obscene"
Title: Re: My new websites
Post by: dpareja on June 30, 2018, 10:57:08 pm
What's wrong with crossdressing?

Also, everyone's sexuality is beyond their control, it's just that bigoted assholes like you have deemed certain sexualities "good" and others "bad" for no good reason.

And the only help he needed (that the government could effect, in any event) was the repeal of any and all laws against homosexuality.

It is just obscene and gross to see men wearing bikinis, skirts, etc.

If the government legalized homosexuality he still would have felt shame for feeling abnormal sexual feelings.

1. Fuck what you think is obscene and gross. Do you think the same when you see a woman wearing a well-tailored suit? As for skirts, I think the Scots would like to have a word with you...

2. HIS SEXUAL FEELINGS WERE NOT ABNORMAL YOU FUCKING SICK FUCK!
Title: Re: My new websites
Post by: Lana Reverse on June 30, 2018, 11:25:38 pm
What's wrong with crossdressing?

Also, everyone's sexuality is beyond their control, it's just that bigoted assholes like you have deemed certain sexualities "good" and others "bad" for no good reason.

And the only help he needed (that the government could effect, in any event) was the repeal of any and all laws against homosexuality.

It is just obscene and gross to see men wearing bikinis, skirts, etc.

If the government legalized homosexuality he still would have felt shame for feeling abnormal sexual feelings.

(https://i.imgur.com/LI08nlW.gif)

Every time you post, my opinion of you sinks lower and lower. Get off this board.
Title: Re: My new websites
Post by: niam2023 on July 01, 2018, 12:53:59 am
When even Lana can't stomach you any more...damn.

Yeah Jacob fuck the concept of obscenity and laws made to "regulate" it.

I say we show him plenty of obscene and immoral pics on his website.
Title: Re: My new websites
Post by: Kanzenkankaku on July 01, 2018, 05:17:29 am
It's not obscene because skirts are pretty.

Source: have seen skirts and am legal expert.
Title: Re: My new websites
Post by: Sigmaleph on July 01, 2018, 10:26:11 am
gender is not determined by feelings of identity, it is determined by whether the person has XX of XY chromosomes.

I'm going to ignore the rest of this because hee

Have you been karyotyped, Jacob? Do you know for a fact that you have XY chromosomes and not, say, XX with a crossed-over SRY gene?

The number of people which have unusual chromosome configurations compared to their phenotype is probably comparable to or greater than the number of people who are trans (exact numbers are hard to tell because it's not like we systematically test people's chromosomes). In this fantasy society where gender is defined and indeed mandated based on chromosomes, you'd have just as many people or more in gender roles that don't match their appearance, but they'd be more miserable about it than trans people since we get to choose.
Title: Re: My new websites
Post by: Jacob Harrison on July 01, 2018, 11:51:07 am
gender is not determined by feelings of identity, it is determined by whether the person has XX of XY chromosomes.

I'm going to ignore the rest of this because hee

Have you been karyotyped, Jacob? Do you know for a fact that you have XY chromosomes and not, say, XX with a crossed-over SRY gene?

The number of people which have unusual chromosome configurations compared to their phenotype is probably comparable to or greater than the number of people who are trans (exact numbers are hard to tell because it's not like we systematically test people's chromosomes). In this fantasy society where gender is defined and indeed mandated based on chromosomes, you'd have just as many people or more in gender roles that don't match their appearance, but they'd be more miserable about it than trans people since we get to choose.

Yes I am aware of the people born with XXY chromosomes and have to choose their gender because of that. I have not been karyotyped but I assume that my chromosome configurations are normal because I don’t seem to have any feminine physical traits. And have you been karyotyped?

Trans surgery on males and females changes your traits and adds estrogen hormones, but it does not change your chromosomes, so it makes you a femenine male. And your traits are never as feminine as an actual female. You still have the body shape of a male, and your voice is not as high pitched as an actual female.
Title: Re: My new websites
Post by: Sigmaleph on July 01, 2018, 06:11:04 pm
gender is not determined by feelings of identity, it is determined by whether the person has XX of XY chromosomes.

I'm going to ignore the rest of this because hee

Have you been karyotyped, Jacob? Do you know for a fact that you have XY chromosomes and not, say, XX with a crossed-over SRY gene?

The number of people which have unusual chromosome configurations compared to their phenotype is probably comparable to or greater than the number of people who are trans (exact numbers are hard to tell because it's not like we systematically test people's chromosomes). In this fantasy society where gender is defined and indeed mandated based on chromosomes, you'd have just as many people or more in gender roles that don't match their appearance, but they'd be more miserable about it than trans people since we get to choose.

Yes I am aware of the people born with XXY chromosomes and have to choose their gender because of that. I have not been karyotyped but I assume that my chromosome configurations are normal because I don’t seem to have any feminine physical traits. And have you been karyotyped?

Trans surgery on males and females changes your traits and adds estrogen hormones, but it does not change your chromosomes, so it makes you a femenine male. And your traits are never as feminine as an actual female. You still have the body shape of a male, and your voice is not as high pitched as an actual female.

I don't care about my chromosomes, I'm the one who thinks we should take people at their word regarding their gender identity. But if I told you I was, would you take my word for it?

You, on the other hand, seem XX and XY are synonymous with woman and man. So, if you or any other phenotypically male person turns out to have XX chromosomes, would you say you, or they, have to dress in skirts and use she pronouns and have sex exclusively with XY men?

If you say no, then I'm glad you acknowledge that 'chromosomes' and 'gender' are not the same thing at all.

If you say yes, then you better run and get tested, what if you're a woman and didn't know it?

edit: also, you have no idea of what transition involves or can accomplish, which is of course entirely unsurprising
Title: Re: My new websites
Post by: Jacob Harrison on July 01, 2018, 06:24:45 pm
gender is not determined by feelings of identity, it is determined by whether the person has XX of XY chromosomes.

I'm going to ignore the rest of this because hee

Have you been karyotyped, Jacob? Do you know for a fact that you have XY chromosomes and not, say, XX with a crossed-over SRY gene?

The number of people which have unusual chromosome configurations compared to their phenotype is probably comparable to or greater than the number of people who are trans (exact numbers are hard to tell because it's not like we systematically test people's chromosomes). In this fantasy society where gender is defined and indeed mandated based on chromosomes, you'd have just as many people or more in gender roles that don't match their appearance, but they'd be more miserable about it than trans people since we get to choose.

Yes I am aware of the people born with XXY chromosomes and have to choose their gender because of that. I have not been karyotyped but I assume that my chromosome configurations are normal because I don’t seem to have any feminine physical traits. And have you been karyotyped?

Trans surgery on males and females changes your traits and adds estrogen hormones, but it does not change your chromosomes, so it makes you a femenine male. And your traits are never as feminine as an actual female. You still have the body shape of a male, and your voice is not as high pitched as an actual female.

I don't care about my chromosomes, I'm the one who thinks we should take people at their word regarding their gender identity. But if I told you I was, would you take my word for it?

You, on the other hand, seem XX and XY are synonymous with woman and man. So, if you or any other phenotypically male person turns out to have XX chromosomes, would you say you, or they, have to dress in skirts and use she pronouns and have sex exclusively with XY men?

If you say no, then I'm glad you acknowledge that 'chromosomes' and 'gender' are not the same thing at all.

If you say yes, then you better run and get tested, what if you're a woman and didn't know it?

edit: also, you have no idea of what transition involves or can accomplish, which is of course entirely unsurprising

Well gender is determined by both genotype and phenotype. I never heard of people who’s gender phenotypes don’t match their genotypes, but in those situations, I guess the phenotype outweighs the genotype.
Title: Re: My new websites
Post by: dpareja on July 01, 2018, 06:33:18 pm
I never heard of people who’s gender phenotypes don’t match their genotypes...

(http://www.graphis.com/media/uploads/cfe/entry/3b30abbe-f9cc-446c-ba43-c1d422cf58fc/Angel-Final-8x10300_1.jpeg)

(https://m.media-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BOTE3MjNjOTMtZGViYy00ZGZjLTlmNmMtODgzNGYwMDFlZGYwXkEyXkFqcGdeQXVyNTIyMjc2Nzg@._V1_SY1000_CR0,0,799,1000_AL_.jpg)

(https://i0.wp.com/www.tgforum.com/wordpress/uploads/2010/05/Jamie-Lee-Hamilton.jpg)

(http://www.calgaryherald.com/health/cms/binary/7750412.jpg)
Title: Re: My new websites
Post by: Sigmaleph on July 01, 2018, 08:22:09 pm
Well gender is determined by both genotype and phenotype. I never heard of people who’s gender phenotypes don’t match their genotypes, but in those situations, I guess the phenotype outweighs the genotype.

So, since medical transition does in fact change the phenotype, you accept that some amount of transition makes people a different gender.
Title: Re: My new websites
Post by: Jacob Harrison on July 01, 2018, 09:51:38 pm
Well gender is determined by both genotype and phenotype. I never heard of people who’s gender phenotypes don’t match their genotypes, but in those situations, I guess the phenotype outweighs the genotype.

So, since medical transition does in fact change the phenotype, you accept that some amount of transition makes people a different gender.

No because it doesn’t change the complete phenotype. The Skeloton doesn’t change and the testicles are mutilated but don’t become full functioning penises and vaginas. Trans women can’t give childbirth. I’ll change my views if they invent the technology for men and women to trade brains for bodies.
Title: Re: My new websites
Post by: Kanzenkankaku on July 02, 2018, 12:46:24 am
Phenotype: the set of observable characteristics of an individual resulting from the interaction of its genotype with the environment.

If most of the observable characteristics point to female than how isn't the person a woman now?
Title: Re: My new websites
Post by: Jacob Harrison on July 02, 2018, 06:14:28 am
Phenotype: the set of observable characteristics of an individual resulting from the interaction of its genotype with the environment.

If most of the observable characteristics point to female than how isn't the person a woman now?

Because it is not resulting from the interaction of its genotype with the environment because it’s genotype is still XY, and the observable characteristics are still masculine, such as body shape, genitalia(the genitals are still a mutilated penis), lack of ability to give birth or breastfeed, and they still have a masculine sounding voice(no adult trans women has a true femine voice).
Title: Re: My new websites
Post by: Eiki-mun on July 02, 2018, 04:03:38 pm
That last line. Lol. You really have no idea, do you?
Title: Re: My new websites
Post by: Sigmaleph on July 02, 2018, 07:22:39 pm
Well gender is determined by both genotype and phenotype. I never heard of people who’s gender phenotypes don’t match their genotypes, but in those situations, I guess the phenotype outweighs the genotype.

So, since medical transition does in fact change the phenotype, you accept that some amount of transition makes people a different gender.

No because it doesn’t change the complete phenotype. The Skeloton doesn’t change and the testicles are mutilated but don’t become full functioning penises and vaginas. Trans women can’t give childbirth. I’ll change my views if they invent the technology for men and women to trade brains for bodies.

Uterus transplants are already possible, so 'Trans women can't give childbirth(sic)' is on a ticking clock (plus, plenty of cis women can't either...). Skeletal structure can change with early enough access to hormones, and again I don't think you're going to be x-raying a woman on the street and telling her she has to be a man now because her hips are too narrow

For any phenotypical difference between men and women, then either some cis people would be classified as the wrong gender or it is or soon will be modifiable with medical transition. Usually both.
Title: Re: My new websites
Post by: Jacob Harrison on July 02, 2018, 07:48:02 pm
Well gender is determined by both genotype and phenotype. I never heard of people who’s gender phenotypes don’t match their genotypes, but in those situations, I guess the phenotype outweighs the genotype.

So, since medical transition does in fact change the phenotype, you accept that some amount of transition makes people a different gender.

No because it doesn’t change the complete phenotype. The Skeloton doesn’t change and the testicles are mutilated but don’t become full functioning penises and vaginas. Trans women can’t give childbirth. I’ll change my views if they invent the technology for men and women to trade brains for bodies.

Uterus transplants are already possible, so 'Trans women can't give childbirth(sic)' is on a ticking clock (plus, plenty of cis women can't either...). Skeletal structure can change with early enough access to hormones, and again I don't think you're going to be x-raying a woman on the street and telling her she has to be a man now because her hips are too narrow

For any phenotypical difference between men and women, then either some cis people would be classified as the wrong gender or it is or soon will be modifiable with medical transition. Usually both.

In Anatomy class I learned that bones have a set rigid structure and stays once the person is fully grown, but the spinal cord gets more bent as people age. What matters is if the majority of of natural phenotypical differences by birth is masculine or feminine. Again the XXY males are the ones born with more feminine phenotypical differences.
Title: Re: My new websites
Post by: Sigmaleph on July 02, 2018, 10:00:58 pm
In Anatomy class I learned that bones have a set rigid structure and stays once the person is fully grown, but the spinal cord gets more bent as people age. What matters is if the majority of of natural phenotypical differences by birth is masculine or feminine. Again the XXY males are the ones born with more feminine phenotypical differences.

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Skeletal structure can change with early enough access to hormones

There, I highlighted the keywords for you.

Learn to read, kid. This is not even amusing if I need to keep repeating myself.
Title: Re: My new websites
Post by: Kanzenkankaku on July 03, 2018, 12:44:50 am
Phenotype: the set of observable characteristics of an individual resulting from the interaction of its genotype with the environment.

If most of the observable characteristics point to female than how isn't the person a woman now?

Because it is not resulting from the interaction of its genotype with the environment because it’s genotype is still XY, and the observable characteristics are still masculine, such as body shape, genitalia(the genitals are still a mutilated penis), lack of ability to give birth or breastfeed, and they still have a masculine sounding voice(no adult trans women has a true femine voice).

1) how are hrt medications not a part of the environment
2) read what Sigma said
3) lol you've never heard of voice training, or in some cases people that just naturally sound that way
Title: Re: My new websites
Post by: Jacob Harrison on July 03, 2018, 05:11:07 am
In Anatomy class I learned that bones have a set rigid structure and stays once the person is fully grown, but the spinal cord gets more bent as people age. What matters is if the majority of of natural phenotypical differences by birth is masculine or feminine. Again the XXY males are the ones born with more feminine phenotypical differences.

Quote
Skeletal structure can change with early enough access to hormones

There, I highlighted the keywords for you.

Learn to read, kid. This is not even amusing if I need to keep repeating myself.

So you support giving surgery that can pernamentely change the body structure to minors instead of at least waiting till they are adults for them to chose what they want done to their bodies?! It is horrible that minors, at early ages are subjected to this.
Title: Re: My new websites
Post by: Kanzenkankaku on July 04, 2018, 12:28:21 am
Surgery? The quote you were replying was about hormones. Which are changeable/reversible. and decidedly not a permanent thing.

Lern2Read
Title: Re: My new websites
Post by: Eiki-mun on July 04, 2018, 12:33:48 am
So you support giving surgery that can pernamentely change the body structure to minors instead of at least waiting till they are adults for them to chose what they want done to their bodies?! It is horrible that minors, at early ages are subjected to this.

Except that you aren't "waiting until they are adults for them to choose what they want done to their bodies". You're waiting for them to be adults so that you can say "welp, it's too late now, you can't change your bone structure, guess you can't be a Real Trans Person™". So yes, I support giving people a choice over not giving them a choice.