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Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Reply #2895 on: March 01, 2019, 12:46:04 pm »
He was unstoppable in the original 1955-85 timeline as well. He was the supervisor to McFly and it wasn't until Marty went to past and messed up things that George McFly got a spine to fight back and thus the timeline was changed into one where Biff couldn't get his way in everything.
 
The third version of 1985 with Biff as Trump-inspired billionaire playboy criminal was a more successful Biff but people keep forgetting that the original one was already a rich man who spent his days bullying his underlings.
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Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Reply #2896 on: March 01, 2019, 07:26:53 pm »
Kind of does remind me of a powerful despot's toadies trying to fall over themselves to prove their loyalty.

The cast is different from Hitler's Germany and Stalin's Russia, but the basic idea is the same; the leader is not to be questioned, stop asking questions!
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Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Reply #2897 on: March 03, 2019, 07:43:10 pm »
Yesterday, Trump promised to sign an executive order protecting free speech on college campuses:

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-says-to-sign-executive-order-requiring-free-speech-at-colleges-2019-3?international=true&r=US&IR=T

I'd make a comment about stopped clocks, but given some of his earlier comments about free speech, I doubt he'll be consistent on this.
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Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Reply #2898 on: March 03, 2019, 07:47:17 pm »
It'll probably make sure people can't protest Richard Spencer while still allowing universities to stop pro-Palestine speakers from appearing.
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« Reply #2899 on: March 03, 2019, 07:57:23 pm »
It'll probably make sure people can't protest Richard Spencer while still allowing universities to stop pro-Palestine speakers from appearing.

Yeah, that's what I'm afraid of.
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Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Reply #2900 on: March 03, 2019, 08:13:04 pm »
Can't wait for the first pro-abortion speech on the grounds of Liberty University.

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Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Reply #2901 on: March 03, 2019, 08:16:32 pm »
Yeah they really didn't think this through huh?
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Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Reply #2902 on: March 03, 2019, 08:17:41 pm »
Yeah they really didn't think this through huh?

Sure they did. They'll make sure that Ben Shapiro can speak wherever he likes and left-wingers can get blocked to university administrators' hearts' content.
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Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Reply #2903 on: March 03, 2019, 08:35:07 pm »
Defending free speech is a noble cause... as long as it's done consistently. Somehow, I doubt the Trump administration will meet that little requirement.
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Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Reply #2904 on: March 04, 2019, 12:11:13 am »
Defending free speech is a noble cause... as long as it's done consistently. Somehow, I doubt the Trump administration will meet that little requirement.

Of course not. You may have noticed that many of the "free speech warriors", particularly those on the "intellectual dark web", suddenly up and vanish when it's speech they don't like (for instance, pro-Palestine speech).
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Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Reply #2905 on: March 04, 2019, 12:16:28 am »
Yeah they really didn't think this through huh?

Sure they did. They'll make sure that Ben Shapiro can speak wherever he likes and left-wingers can get blocked to university administrators' hearts' content.

Yeah, but if he is stating that he wants to protect free speech on campuses than it has to go both ways. Like when the state of Oklahoma said religious imagery should be allowed on public properties so the satanic temple put a statue of Baphomet up, which made them change their tune real quick. Super liberal speakers should use this opportunity to speak on right wing campuses.
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Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Reply #2906 on: March 04, 2019, 03:21:43 am »
Yeah they really didn't think this through huh?

Sure they did. They'll make sure that Ben Shapiro can speak wherever he likes and left-wingers can get blocked to university administrators' hearts' content.

Yeah, but if he is stating that he wants to protect free speech on campuses than it has to go both ways. Like when the state of Oklahoma said religious imagery should be allowed on public properties so the satanic temple put a statue of Baphomet up, which made them change their tune real quick. Super liberal speakers should use this opportunity to speak on right wing campuses.

Of course it has to go both ways, but with the US federal courts now the way they are, quite possibly poised to throw out things like the Lemon test (I honestly would not be surprised to see that go out the window soon), don't hold your breath on whether they'll be able to get away with it.

EDIT: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLduoh-cheM

Kyle Kulinski said what I wanted to say better than I could:

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Totally, unironically, one hundred percent serious, I support--what he actually just did, after this speech he signed an executive order, like, reaffirming free speech on college campuses or something. Totally support it. Not hedging, no caveats, totally support it. Totally support it.

Now the reality of the situation is this: I think now every single Antifa chapter, every single group of Black Panthers, New Black Panthers, actual communist groups, Democratic Socialists of America, me, all left groups on campuses should invite these characters to speak now, and watch in real time the hilarious flipflopping that occurs right in front of you.

They will immediately change it from, oh my god, did we say free speech, we only meant for fucking, like, Milo Yiannopoulos and Ben Shapiro and Steven Crowder, and when we say we're against political correctness, what we mean by that is we want to be able to say things that are factually untrue and have you not rebut it. That's what they mean.

So, but, OK, if you have a principled belief in free speech, great. Me too, I support the executive order, but now I want Antifa speaking places, Black Panthers, communists, Democratic Socialists, go ahead. Come on. Go do it.

EDIT #2: https://waysandmeans.house.gov/sites/democrats.waysandmeans.house.gov/files/documents/TIGTA%20REPORT-UNREDACTED%20FINAL.pdf

One of the "fuck you blue states" provisions of the Republican tax increase law was the cap on the SALT deduction effective in 2018, which is part of the reason why a lot of taxpayers have seen their refunds decrease or disappear.

In 2018, Kevin Brady, then chair of the House Ways and Means Committee (now ranking member), asked for a review of the effect of the cap--specifically, what it would have meant for 2017 taxes.

The result? Almost eleven million taxpayers would have been affected, losing three hundred and twenty-three billion dollars in deductions.

I should add that these are all actual people who were affected--there is no cap on SALT deductions for businesses.

EDIT #3: https://www.courthousenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/RatingWorldLeaders2019.pdf

Gallup released their poll on how various countries view the US, Germany, China, and Russia as world leaders. During Pres. Obama's tenure, the US was consistently at the top. Now the US has been thoroughly overtaken by Germany, with their numbers having plummeted in 2017 and stayed about constant in 2018.

One particular result of note (to me, anyway) is that Canadians now absolutely despise US leadership, with only 16% approving of "the job performance of the leadership" of the US, while 79% disapprove.

Also of note is the vast disparity in approval between Israel and Palestine.
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Being required by someone else’s religious beliefs to behave contrary to one’s sexual identity is degrading and disrespectful.

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Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Reply #2907 on: March 14, 2019, 06:30:00 pm »
Meanwhile, the US Senate just passed two measures already passed in the House of Representatives: joint resolutions against Trump's emergency declaration and against US support of the Saudi-led genocide in Yemen.

Neither, however, passed either body with a veto-proof majority (never mind both).

https://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=116&session=1&vote=00048

On the genocide, every Democratic and Independent Senator voted for, along with seven Republican Senators: Collins (ME), Daines (MT), Lee (UT), Moran (KS), Murkowski (AK), Paul (KY), and Young (IN).

https://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=116&session=1&vote=00049

On the emergency, every Democratic and Independent Senator voted for, along with twelve Republican Senators: Alexander (TN), Blunt (MO), Collins (ME), Lee (UT), Moran (KS), Murkowski (AK), Paul (KY), Portman (OH), Romney (UT), Rubio (FL), Toomey (PA), and Wicker (MS).
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It doesn't concern you, Sister, that kind of absolutist view of the universe? Right and wrong determined solely by a single all-knowing, all powerful being whose judgment cannot be questioned and in whose name the most horrendous acts can be sanctioned without appeal?

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Being required by someone else’s religious beliefs to behave contrary to one’s sexual identity is degrading and disrespectful.

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Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Reply #2908 on: March 14, 2019, 08:39:03 pm »
I'm surprised it was that many senators.
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Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Reply #2909 on: March 15, 2019, 02:35:09 am »
I'm surprised it was that many senators.

With some of them, I think it is legitimately a matter of principle (like Rand Paul and Mike Lee on the genocide); with some, it's an oh-shit-I'm-up-in-2020 reaction (Collins); with some it's probably a matter of "we don't want Democrats doing this" (especially on the emergency).

Trump will veto both of them, of course, and Congress should immediately propose to the states a Constitutional amendment that would strip the President's veto in cases where Congress is reclaiming powers it previously delegated to the executive, such as under the acts allowing these resolutions.
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It doesn't concern you, Sister, that kind of absolutist view of the universe? Right and wrong determined solely by a single all-knowing, all powerful being whose judgment cannot be questioned and in whose name the most horrendous acts can be sanctioned without appeal?

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Being required by someone else’s religious beliefs to behave contrary to one’s sexual identity is degrading and disrespectful.