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Title: A spiritual crisis
Post by: Jacob Harrison on October 20, 2018, 11:20:31 am
Yesterday I tried converting a college friend to Catholicism by telling him that I made a post on the internet about evidence for the plagues of Egypt and the Exodus. He then immediately showed me the Wikipedia article for the Exodus. This is what it says.
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According to Exodus 12:37–38, the Israelites numbered "about six hundred thousand men on foot, besides women and children", plus many non-Israelites and livestock. Numbers 1:46 gives a more precise total of 603,550 men aged 20 and up. It is difficult to reconcile the idea of 600,000 Israelite fighting men with the information that the Israelites were afraid of the Philistines and Egyptians.[43] The 600,000, plus wives, children, the elderly, and the "mixed multitude" of non-Israelites would have numbered some two million people.[44] Marching ten abreast, and without accounting for livestock, they would have formed a column 240 km long.[45] The entire Egyptian population in 1250 BCE is estimated to have been around three to 3.5 million,[46][44] and no evidence has been found that Egypt ever suffered the demographic and economic catastrophe such a loss of population would represent, nor that the Sinai desert ever hosted (or could have hosted) these millions of people and their herds.[47] Some have rationalised the numbers into smaller figures, for example reading the Hebrew as "600 families" rather than 600,000 men, but all such solutions have their own set of problems.
Because of that I am in a spiritual crisis because my friend proved that the Bible is not inerrant. At least God and the Bible are real in the parallel universe where Parallel Hero takes place and where my parallel self is Arch Cleric of the Europan Kingdom. Now I am not sure if God and the Bible are real in this one due to the error in the Bible.
Title: Re: A spiritual crisis
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on October 20, 2018, 08:38:15 pm
Just focus on the bits which line up with what you already think and ignore the rest.

Source: Every other religious person ever.
Title: Re: A spiritual crisis
Post by: Jacob Harrison on October 20, 2018, 08:56:45 pm
Just focus on the bits which line up with what you already think and ignore the rest.

Source: Every other religious person ever.

But doing that would be willful ignorance.
Title: Re: A spiritual crisis
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on October 20, 2018, 08:58:32 pm
Just focus on the bits which line up with what you already think and ignore the rest.

Source: Every other religious person ever.

But doing that would be willful ignorance.
Then for you, it should be a breeze!
Title: Re: A spiritual crisis
Post by: Jacob Harrison on October 20, 2018, 09:28:03 pm
Just focus on the bits which line up with what you already think and ignore the rest.

Source: Every other religious person ever.

But doing that would be willful ignorance.
Then for you, it should be a breeze!
It won’t because I always like pursuing knowledge. I thought that the evidence was in favor of Christianity. Since you were raised Catholic, did you have a spiritual crisis like mine?
Title: Re: A spiritual crisis
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on October 20, 2018, 09:41:14 pm
Just focus on the bits which line up with what you already think and ignore the rest.

Source: Every other religious person ever.

But doing that would be willful ignorance.
Then for you, it should be a breeze!
It won’t because I always like pursuing knowledge. I thought that the evidence was in favor of Christianity. Since you were raised Catholic, did you have a spiritual crisis like mine?
Yes!
Title: Re: A spiritual crisis
Post by: Kanzenkankaku on October 22, 2018, 03:01:47 am
Just focus on the bits which line up with what you already think and ignore the rest.

Source: Every other religious person ever.

But doing that would be willful ignorance.
Then for you, it should be a breeze!
It won’t because I always like pursuing knowledge. I thought that the evidence was in favor of Christianity. Since you were raised Catholic, did you have a spiritual crisis like mine?
Yes!

I'm sure he could use your advice in these trying times.
Title: Re: A spiritual crisis
Post by: Art Vandelay on October 22, 2018, 04:24:26 am
Just focus on the bits which line up with what you already think and ignore the rest.

Source: Every other religious person ever.

But doing that would be willful ignorance.
Then for you, it should be a breeze!
It won’t because I always like pursuing knowledge. I thought that the evidence was in favor of Christianity. Since you were raised Catholic, did you have a spiritual crisis like mine?
Yes!
I'm sure he could use your advice in these trying times.
Step 1: Use your fucking brain for once...
Title: Re: A spiritual crisis
Post by: Jacob Harrison on October 22, 2018, 07:51:02 pm
The information I found proving that the Bible has errors in it is a huge crisis for me because the Christian God was one of my best friends, and now I am not sure if he exists in this universe. I envy my parallel self from parallel hero who lives in the parallel universe where he does exist.
Title: Re: A spiritual crisis
Post by: dpareja on October 22, 2018, 07:54:13 pm
Oh boo hoo you lost your imaginary friend. Welcome to turning, what, six?

As for your parallel self, how do you know the Bible (or equivalent) in that alternate reality doesn't have contradictions?
Title: Re: A spiritual crisis
Post by: Jacob Harrison on October 22, 2018, 08:04:44 pm
Oh boo hoo you lost your imaginary friend. Welcome to turning, what, six?

As for your parallel self, how do you know the Bible (or equivalent) in that alternate reality doesn't have contradictions?

Because Parallel Hero shows that the Christian God is real in that universe due to there being angels, Abbadon, and Lucifer in the story, so the Bible in that universe is divinely inspired.
Title: Re: A spiritual crisis
Post by: dpareja on October 22, 2018, 09:04:47 pm
It's also fiction.

I know, it's harder for people raised religious (https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-echochambers-28537149) to distinguish reality and fiction.
Title: Re: A spiritual crisis
Post by: Jacob Harrison on October 22, 2018, 09:09:48 pm
It's also fiction.

I know, it's harder for people raised religious (https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-echochambers-28537149) to distinguish reality and fiction.

But remember how I said before that I was visited by my parallel self from that universe, revealing that it is true. Advanced time traveling aliens read Parallel Hero and went back in time to cause a split in the timeline to create a universe where the events of Parallel hero are true.
Title: Re: A spiritual crisis
Post by: dpareja on October 22, 2018, 09:11:48 pm
It's also fiction.

I know, it's harder for people raised religious (https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-echochambers-28537149) to distinguish reality and fiction.

But remember how I said before that I was visited by my parallel self from that universe, revealing that it is true. Advanced time traveling aliens read Parallel Hero and went back in time to cause a split in the timeline to create a universe where the events of Parallel hero are true.

Yet more evidence pointing toward the conclusion of that study.
Title: Re: A spiritual crisis
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on October 23, 2018, 12:57:26 am
The information I found proving that the Bible has errors in it is a huge crisis for me because the Christian God was one of my best friends, and now I am not sure if he exists in this universe. I envy my parallel self from parallel hero who lives in the parallel universe where he does exist.
So...you're an atheist in this universe but in that universe you're not?

How does that square with God being omnipotent and omniscient? Omni, Latin prefix meaning "all." As in all universes, all the time.

Also, if God is only real in the universe you made up as a setting for your fantasy story you're telling us God is imaginary then? Do go on!
Title: Re: A spiritual crisis
Post by: Jacob Harrison on October 23, 2018, 07:37:32 am
The information I found proving that the Bible has errors in it is a huge crisis for me because the Christian God was one of my best friends, and now I am not sure if he exists in this universe. I envy my parallel self from parallel hero who lives in the parallel universe where he does exist.
So...you're an atheist in this universe but in that universe you're not?

How does that square with God being omnipotent and omniscient? Omni, Latin prefix meaning "all." As in all universes, all the time.

Also, if God is only real in the universe you made up as a setting for your fantasy story you're telling us God is imaginary then? Do go on!

What I mean is that the parallel universe is his base of operations, the universe where the events in the Bible happened.

And I explained how time traveling aliens read Parallel Hero and caused a split in the timeline, so that there would be a universe which they manipulated to make the events of Parallel Hero come true. So Niam, by writing Parallel Hero is influencing events in the parallel universe.
Title: Re: A spiritual crisis
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on October 23, 2018, 08:49:28 am
The information I found proving that the Bible has errors in it is a huge crisis for me because the Christian God was one of my best friends, and now I am not sure if he exists in this universe. I envy my parallel self from parallel hero who lives in the parallel universe where he does exist.
So...you're an atheist in this universe but in that universe you're not?

How does that square with God being omnipotent and omniscient? Omni, Latin prefix meaning "all." As in all universes, all the time.

Also, if God is only real in the universe you made up as a setting for your fantasy story you're telling us God is imaginary then? Do go on!

What I mean is that the parallel universe is his base of operations, the universe where the events in the Bible happened.

And I explained how time traveling aliens read Parallel Hero and caused a split in the timeline, so that there would be a universe which they manipulated to make the events of Parallel Hero come true. So Niam, by writing Parallel Hero is influencing events in the parallel universe.
So, he's a local diety-sort of like Poseidon has jurisdiction over the oceans or even that Irish lasse, Boann, who's the goddess of the river Boyne?
Title: Re: A spiritual crisis
Post by: Jacob Harrison on October 23, 2018, 09:28:12 am
The information I found proving that the Bible has errors in it is a huge crisis for me because the Christian God was one of my best friends, and now I am not sure if he exists in this universe. I envy my parallel self from parallel hero who lives in the parallel universe where he does exist.
So...you're an atheist in this universe but in that universe you're not?

How does that square with God being omnipotent and omniscient? Omni, Latin prefix meaning "all." As in all universes, all the time.

Also, if God is only real in the universe you made up as a setting for your fantasy story you're telling us God is imaginary then? Do go on!

What I mean is that the parallel universe is his base of operations, the universe where the events in the Bible happened.

And I explained how time traveling aliens read Parallel Hero and caused a split in the timeline, so that there would be a universe which they manipulated to make the events of Parallel Hero come true. So Niam, by writing Parallel Hero is influencing events in the parallel universe.
So, he's a local diety-sort of like Poseidon has jurisdiction over the oceans or even that Irish lasse, Boann, who's the goddess of the river Boyne?

Well he was advised by the time traveling aliens who read Parallel Hero to create the parallel universe so his jurisdiction is over that parallel universe. However it could be possible that Jesus Christ’s sacrifice on the cross in the parallel universe was for the sins of those in both that universe and this one. If so, then I must still obey him and confess my sins of looking at jean pornography images when I had the spiritual crisis.
Title: Re: A spiritual crisis
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on October 23, 2018, 09:33:06 am
The information I found proving that the Bible has errors in it is a huge crisis for me because the Christian God was one of my best friends, and now I am not sure if he exists in this universe. I envy my parallel self from parallel hero who lives in the parallel universe where he does exist.
So...you're an atheist in this universe but in that universe you're not?

How does that square with God being omnipotent and omniscient? Omni, Latin prefix meaning "all." As in all universes, all the time.

Also, if God is only real in the universe you made up as a setting for your fantasy story you're telling us God is imaginary then? Do go on!

What I mean is that the parallel universe is his base of operations, the universe where the events in the Bible happened.

And I explained how time traveling aliens read Parallel Hero and caused a split in the timeline, so that there would be a universe which they manipulated to make the events of Parallel Hero come true. So Niam, by writing Parallel Hero is influencing events in the parallel universe.
So, he's a local diety-sort of like Poseidon has jurisdiction over the oceans or even that Irish lasse, Boann, who's the goddess of the river Boyne?

Well he was advised by the time traveling aliens who read Parallel Hero to create the parallel universe so his jurisdiction is over that parallel universe. However it could be possible that Jesus Christ’s sacrifice on the cross in the parallel universe was for the sins of those in both that universe and this one. If so, then I must still obey him and confess my sins of looking at jean pornography images when I had the spiritual crisis.
Hang about, if God comes from your parallel universe and is real there but not here then it's the residents of that universe that have original sin, not this one. They're the ones that would need salvation.

If so, what was Jesus doing here? Was he lost or something?
Title: Re: A spiritual crisis
Post by: Jacob Harrison on October 23, 2018, 09:43:08 am
The information I found proving that the Bible has errors in it is a huge crisis for me because the Christian God was one of my best friends, and now I am not sure if he exists in this universe. I envy my parallel self from parallel hero who lives in the parallel universe where he does exist.
So...you're an atheist in this universe but in that universe you're not?

How does that square with God being omnipotent and omniscient? Omni, Latin prefix meaning "all." As in all universes, all the time.

Also, if God is only real in the universe you made up as a setting for your fantasy story you're telling us God is imaginary then? Do go on!

What I mean is that the parallel universe is his base of operations, the universe where the events in the Bible happened.

And I explained how time traveling aliens read Parallel Hero and caused a split in the timeline, so that there would be a universe which they manipulated to make the events of Parallel Hero come true. So Niam, by writing Parallel Hero is influencing events in the parallel universe.
So, he's a local diety-sort of like Poseidon has jurisdiction over the oceans or even that Irish lasse, Boann, who's the goddess of the river Boyne?

Well he was advised by the time traveling aliens who read Parallel Hero to create the parallel universe so his jurisdiction is over that parallel universe. However it could be possible that Jesus Christ’s sacrifice on the cross in the parallel universe was for the sins of those in both that universe and this one. If so, then I must still obey him and confess my sins of looking at jean pornography images when I had the spiritual crisis.
Hang about, if God comes from your parallel universe and is real there but not here then it's the residents of that universe that have original sin, not this one. They're the ones that would need salvation.

If so, what was Jesus doing here? Was he lost or something?

That’s true. And I am confused about your question about what Jesus was doing here? Since it is the parallel universe where God is real, Jesus Christ, the son part of the Trinity of God must have sacrificed himself on the cross in the parallel universe.
Title: Re: A spiritual crisis
Post by: Jacob Harrison on October 28, 2018, 11:34:04 am
Today at Church, I asked the Priest about the errors in Exodus such as how there could be over 600,000 Israelite men and no Egyptian records of the economic catastrophe if they lost such as large slave population and he said that the Israelite population was smaller and that while the Book of Exodus has errors since it was written centuries after the event, it is still based on a true event and the story is inspired by God.

I guess he made a good point which means that God is therefore real in this universe too. So I must therefore confess for my apostasy and for masturbating, and looking at pornographic images of women’s asses in jeans.
Title: Re: A spiritual crisis
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on October 28, 2018, 04:44:57 pm
Today at Church, I asked the Priest about the errors in Exodus such as how there could be over 600,000 Israelite men and no Egyptian records of the economic catastrophe if they lost such as large slave population and he said that the Israelite population was smaller and that while the Book of Exodus has errors since it was written centuries after the event, it is still based on a true event and the story is inspired by God.

I guess he made a good point which means that God is therefore real in this universe too. So I must therefore confess for my apostasy and for masturbating, and looking at pornographic images of women’s asses in jeans.
And some gentle lampshading/ignoring of the inconvenient parts and he's back, see? That was easy!
Title: Re: A spiritual crisis
Post by: Eiki-mun on October 28, 2018, 07:59:11 pm
Today at Church, I asked the Priest about the errors in Exodus such as how there could be over 600,000 Israelite men and no Egyptian records of the economic catastrophe if they lost such as large slave population and he said that the Israelite population was smaller and that while the Book of Exodus has errors since it was written centuries after the event, it is still based on a true event and the story is inspired by God.

I guess he made a good point which means that God is therefore real in this universe too. So I must therefore confess for my apostasy and for masturbating, and looking at pornographic images of women’s asses in jeans.

Funny, standard Christian doctrine is that the Bible is completely true. Every single passage is completely true, and none of the events described in it are "metaphorical" - in fact, liberal Christians are often told they aren't real Christians precisely because they believe parts of the Bible are metaphorical! This means if this so-called "priest" is saying that there are errors in the Bible, he is therefore a heretic. You shouldn't be listening to heretics, Jacob.
Title: Re: A spiritual crisis
Post by: Jacob Harrison on October 28, 2018, 08:32:58 pm
Today at Church, I asked the Priest about the errors in Exodus such as how there could be over 600,000 Israelite men and no Egyptian records of the economic catastrophe if they lost such as large slave population and he said that the Israelite population was smaller and that while the Book of Exodus has errors since it was written centuries after the event, it is still based on a true event and the story is inspired by God.

I guess he made a good point which means that God is therefore real in this universe too. So I must therefore confess for my apostasy and for masturbating, and looking at pornographic images of women’s asses in jeans.

Funny, standard Christian doctrine is that the Bible is completely true. Every single passage is completely true, and none of the events described in it are "metaphorical" - in fact, liberal Christians are often told they aren't real Christians precisely because they believe parts of the Bible are metaphorical! This means if this so-called "priest" is saying that there are errors in the Bible, he is therefore a heretic. You shouldn't be listening to heretics, Jacob.

I don’t think it says on the Catechism of the Catholic Church that the Bible is without error. Besides, Exodus having errors on the number of Israelites is the only way to reconcile the story with archeology and Egyptian history.
Title: Re: A spiritual crisis
Post by: dpareja on October 28, 2018, 09:50:11 pm
Today at Church, I asked the Priest about the errors in Exodus such as how there could be over 600,000 Israelite men and no Egyptian records of the economic catastrophe if they lost such as large slave population and he said that the Israelite population was smaller and that while the Book of Exodus has errors since it was written centuries after the event, it is still based on a true event and the story is inspired by God.

I guess he made a good point which means that God is therefore real in this universe too. So I must therefore confess for my apostasy and for masturbating, and looking at pornographic images of women’s asses in jeans.

Funny, standard Christian doctrine is that the Bible is completely true. Every single passage is completely true, and none of the events described in it are "metaphorical" - in fact, liberal Christians are often told they aren't real Christians precisely because they believe parts of the Bible are metaphorical! This means if this so-called "priest" is saying that there are errors in the Bible, he is therefore a heretic. You shouldn't be listening to heretics, Jacob.

I don’t think it says on the Catechism of the Catholic Church that the Bible is without error. Besides, Exodus having errors on the number of Israelites is the only way to reconcile the story with archeology and Egyptian history.

Yes, but Catholics aren't True Christians either. (Never mind that the only way for the people who say that also to say that Christianity is the world's most subscribed-to religion is to count Catholics and Orthodox, and they love making the latter claim.)
Title: Re: A spiritual crisis
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on October 29, 2018, 12:03:14 am
Yeah Catholics understand that "heretic" means someone who doesn't agree with my non literal reading of the text!
Title: Re: A spiritual crisis
Post by: Kanzenkankaku on November 01, 2018, 03:11:10 am
Jake, have you become possessed by the ghost of L Ron Hubbard by any chance?
Title: Re: A spiritual crisis
Post by: Jacob Harrison on November 01, 2018, 07:36:06 am
Jake, have you become possessed by the ghost of L Ron Hubbard by any chance?

No because I am a Catholic, not an adherent to the crazy false religion of Scientology.
Title: Re: A spiritual crisis
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on November 01, 2018, 09:03:46 am
Jake, have you become possessed by the ghost of L Ron Hubbard by any chance?

No because I am a Catholic, not an adherent to the crazy false religion of Scientology.
Lot of similarities though, bad SF author-fair point you're more bad fantasy, wants to start a cult with an eye to world domination.

Tell us again how multiverse traversing wizards are part of Catholic dogma again Jacob.

Title: Re: A spiritual crisis
Post by: Jacob Harrison on November 01, 2018, 09:30:09 am
Jake, have you become possessed by the ghost of L Ron Hubbard by any chance?

No because I am a Catholic, not an adherent to the crazy false religion of Scientology.
Lot of similarities though, bad SF author-fair point you're more bad fantasy, wants to start a cult with an eye to world domination.

Tell us again how multiverse traversing wizards are part of Catholic dogma again Jacob.

Well the Bible is full of creatures such as Cheribim, Nephillim, the Witch of Endor, a talking donkey, and the prophet Elijah who raised someone from the dead, so a wizard is similar to the things in the Bible.
Title: Re: A spiritual crisis
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on November 02, 2018, 08:23:13 am
Jake, have you become possessed by the ghost of L Ron Hubbard by any chance?

No because I am a Catholic, not an adherent to the crazy false religion of Scientology.
Lot of similarities though, bad SF author-fair point you're more bad fantasy, wants to start a cult with an eye to world domination.

Tell us again how multiverse traversing wizards are part of Catholic dogma again Jacob.

Well the Bible is full of creatures such as Cheribim, Nephillim, the Witch of Endor, a talking donkey, and the prophet Elijah who raised someone from the dead, so a wizard is similar to the things in the Bible.
Welp it also has  Deuteronomy 18:10-12, but don't let that stop your train of thought.
Title: Re: A spiritual crisis
Post by: Jacob Harrison on November 02, 2018, 10:43:39 am
Jake, have you become possessed by the ghost of L Ron Hubbard by any chance?

No because I am a Catholic, not an adherent to the crazy false religion of Scientology.
Lot of similarities though, bad SF author-fair point you're more bad fantasy, wants to start a cult with an eye to world domination.

Tell us again how multiverse traversing wizards are part of Catholic dogma again Jacob.

Well the Bible is full of creatures such as Cheribim, Nephillim, the Witch of Endor, a talking donkey, and the prophet Elijah who raised someone from the dead, so a wizard is similar to the things in the Bible.
Welp it also has  Deuteronomy 18:10-12, but don't let that stop your train of thought.

Deuteronomy 18:10-12 is referring to occult black magic such as witchcraft, divination, and sorcery. That is why in traditional storytelling such as Lord of the Rings, the good wizards like Gandalf practice good white magic while the evil wizards like Saruman practice black magic.
Title: Re: A spiritual crisis
Post by: KingOfRhye on November 02, 2018, 02:16:05 pm
I've read a decent amount of fantasy where there's wizards on the sides of both good and evil casting magic.... and you know what?  A lot of times, the good guys use the same spells as the bad guys.  I've always thought that magic, if such a thing actually existed, would be a tool, nothing more.  It's like a gun....a gun is not good or evil in itself, it can be used for either.

Or a good example could be in a favorite series of mine, Xanth, where people pretty much all have unique magic that only they can use, but the only thing that makes it good or evil is how they use it.  And for that matter, there a lot of examples in that whole series where "good/evil" is matter of perspective.
Title: Re: A spiritual crisis
Post by: Jacob Harrison on November 02, 2018, 03:21:14 pm
I've read a decent amount of fantasy where there's wizards on the sides of both good and evil casting magic.... and you know what?  A lot of times, the good guys use the same spells as the bad guys.  I've always thought that magic, if such a thing actually existed, would be a tool, nothing more.  It's like a gun....a gun is not good or evil in itself, it can be used for either.

Or a good example could be in a favorite series of mine, Xanth, where people pretty much all have unique magic that only they can use, but the only thing that makes it good or evil is how they use it.  And for that matter, there a lot of examples in that whole series where "good/evil" is matter of perspective.

The good guys intent makes those spells white magic, and the bad guys intent makes those spells black magic. Black magic also includes Witchcraft, Sorcery, and Divination which is why witches are villains in traditional storytelling. Unfortunetely, Harry Potter makes all female wizards called witches, even good ones, which is why Christians need to revise the series to make the villains called Warlocks and Witches, and the good guys including the females to be called Wizards.
Title: Re: A spiritual crisis
Post by: KingOfRhye on November 02, 2018, 03:59:55 pm
The good guys intent makes those spells white magic, and the bad guys intent makes those spells black magic.

Which is pretty much what I just said, isn't it?

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Black magic also includes Witchcraft, Sorcery, and Divination which is why witches are villains in traditional storytelling.

Define "witchcraft" and "sorcery."  How would they be any different from "white magic" aside from that you're calling them "black magic"?
Title: Re: A spiritual crisis
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on November 02, 2018, 04:08:07 pm
Ah I see, "it's bad magic because I say so." Thank you Jacob.
Title: Re: A spiritual crisis
Post by: Jacob Harrison on November 02, 2018, 04:20:37 pm
The good guys intent makes those spells white magic, and the bad guys intent makes those spells black magic.

Which is pretty much what I just said, isn't it?

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Black magic also includes Witchcraft, Sorcery, and Divination which is why witches are villains in traditional storytelling.

Define "witchcraft" and "sorcery."  How would they be any different from "white magic" aside from that you're calling them "black magic"?

Witchcraft and sorcery are defined by the Oxford Dictionary as the practice of black magic. Witchcraft specifically has the use of spells. Black magic is magic used with wicked intent.
Title: Re: A spiritual crisis
Post by: KingOfRhye on November 02, 2018, 04:27:10 pm
The good guys intent makes those spells white magic, and the bad guys intent makes those spells black magic.

Which is pretty much what I just said, isn't it?

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Black magic also includes Witchcraft, Sorcery, and Divination which is why witches are villains in traditional storytelling.

Define "witchcraft" and "sorcery."  How would they be any different from "white magic" aside from that you're calling them "black magic"?

Witchcraft and sorcery are defined by the Oxford Dictionary as the practice of black magic. Witchcraft specifically has the use of spells. Black magic is magic used with wicked intent.

LOL....ok then, so your previous statement, "Black magic also includes Witchcraft, Sorcery" really just boils down to "Black magic also includes black magic, black magic"
Title: Re: A spiritual crisis
Post by: Kanzenkankaku on November 15, 2018, 04:07:32 am
I dont see a problem with calling the good magic women "good witches" and the evil ones "bad witches" but thats just me.